Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story
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| Wow, that CG looked really out of place. I wouldn't consider it to be bad, it just didn't work with any of the surroundings, neither the background nor the characters. Especially considern the somewhat extraordinary style the Madoka-series have to it. I couldn't really take it as a serious showdown for this anime. But it is not surprising, the story isn't over yet, almost all the questions are still unanswered and we will have to wait for the second season to see them answered. Nonetheless I'm still pretty much underwhelmed, I had high expectations which were pretty much all disappointed. I was expecting it wouldn't live up to the original series, but the introduction of new characters was something I just couldn't keep up with so that at some point I lost pretty much all interest in seeing what happened to them as I couldn't even tell who is who. I hope the second season takes a better point at explaining the story and maybe we won't get introduced to as many characters as we have been now. |
| The show is as much as I expected, an enjoyable ride that pales in comparison to the classic Madoka. It isn't bad on its own, but kinda disappointing when you remember that it is part of the franchise. I guess my biggest problem is that, whereas the OG Madoka is about how it sucks to be a magical girl, this show is just a magical girl show. Well, that and turning into a witch is somehow a convenient power up now. 7/10 (more like 6.5 but whatever) |
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Emelie_ said: Same thing as with Felicia and Tsuruno: she's a Black Feather now thanks to the museum.But what happened to Sana? She was my favorite so I'm a little disappointed. And more importantly where the heck is Kyouko!? Shouldn't she be involved in all of this especially now when Mami and Sayaka are fighting each other to death? Kyouko's still going solo in this timeline. |
| 6/10, almost a 7/10 for me. I don't really buy the whole Doppel thing and the turning of some characters to the dark side. S2 may be interesting if its like magical girl vs magical girl fights all the time. But if its just Uwasa fights I will be disappointed. Disliked the whole throwing in original series characters. Felt like just fan service. i'm just torn on the whole thing. |
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houlouk said: We don t really know if it is better than witches and if they accept sacrifices of magius that means they consider there is not a third alternative Even the wraith system of Madokami backfired initially that she had to reset it, and she's a god. I don't think a bunch of stubborn Magical Girls can create a perfect system. The reason why witches in Kamihama are so strong is because Alina can imprison witches in her cube and then feed humans to them. The witches also feed on each other witches multiplying their power. That's why our Magical Girls are against the idea, because it already sounds fishy and they have seen humans trapped in rumors. The liberation comes at the cost of lives of humans so that magical girls can live. Even then the Doppel system is nowhere near perfect since it needs control. Using it again and again will result in the witch form taking control and killing people. Also the servents of Magius, the Wings of Magius are brainwashed. So Doppel system is worse than Kyubey's system, atleast he gives fair choice. |
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houlouk said: CuteAssTiger said: the problem with the conflict is that the doppel system is litteraly better in every way , ( at least regarding to the information we have ) the maguis have rumors/uwasa are the uwasa worse then the withes ? no does it make sense to try and stop a group that found something that is at least better then what we currently have with witches ? not really We don t really know if it is better than witches and if they accept sacrifices of magius that means they consider there is not a third alternative from the information that we have so far, and as far as the characters know so far , it is better. thats why this conflict is nonsense |
hailhomura said: CuteAssTiger said: I don't play the mobile game, but according to those mobile game players the doppel system do have its dark side. Yachiyo said that Touka is a QB in the human form in a chapter in the game plot, I guess it explained something. In this episode Yachiyo can also use the doppel and say it is very dangerous, so she must know something about it which Touka didn't tell most of people in the cult. Therefore it is reasonable she against magius. As about why, I think it will be revealed in next season.the problem with the conflict is that the doppel system is litteraly better in every way , ( at least regarding to the information we have ) the maguis have rumors/uwasa are the uwasa worse then the withes ? no does it make sense to try and stop a group that found something that is at least better then what we currently have with witches ? not really 1. people always say " ouh the mobile game is better " and its rarely true 2. this anime has to stand on its own . if the information isnt in the anime then thats pretty bad. |
| Not really an ending so I won't treat it as such, but to rate this as a single cour this had flashes of brilliance but didn't really have the material to back it up. 6/10 Sidepoint but I never liked Mocho or Tenchan here, both feel extremely limited and unexpressive |
| I expected Magia Record to be pretty bad from the first episode and I can't say my opinion has changed much, if at all. This episode is kind of emblematic of my problems with MR as a whole. Bad pacing, lackluster (though usually consistent) animation, weird direction, etc. Besides feeling pretty melodramatic, this episode was also pretty damn corny, I really can't say it any other way. Specifically the part where Mami turns into some sort of messiah, like what? Nevermind that, in my opinion, it's really disappointing and pretty corny that she was brainwashed into joining the wings of Magius in the first place. I really thought Inu Curry (or the writer of the original mobile game, if this "twist" actually comes from the source material) understood Mami as a character, that she's secretly selfish and would totally be the type to run away from her responsibility as a magical girl. She would be the perfect example of a magical girl who would willingly join the wings of Magius, so I really don't understand why they had to go for the whole brainwashing angle. This episode had some really weird sound direction as well. There were so many times where I felt like there was a huge dissonance between what I saw and what I heard. When Yachiyo is carried by Sayaka and it looks like she's screaming, she just........ sighs? pants? This entire episode just felt rushed imo. I will admit tho, the shot of Sayaka blocking one of Mami's Tiro Finales and it ripping one of her arms off, just for her healing magic to re-attach it quickly enough for her to catch her sword again and retaliate was REALLY sick. Best animated shot in MR by far. |
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CuteAssTiger said: 1. people always say " ouh the mobile game is better " and its rarely true 2. this anime has to stand on its own . if the information isnt in the anime then thats pretty bad. [anime-only watcher here] You must be thinking that only game players liked the anime. I've never played the game and haven't read a single line of its story, so all of my opinions about Record Magic are based on the anime. The information is in there. The Uwasa victimize innocent people so that magical girls can be freed from their fate. While Kyubey victimizes the magical girls so that he can survive, the Wings of Magius victimize regular people so that they can be released from Kyubey's system. And they victimize people not only by using them as a source of energy for the rumors, but also by using them as food to feed the witches in order to multiply them (as was done with the witch Teresa in episode 10). In the original series, it is stated that a familiar can become a witch if it eats enough humans, and that is exactly what the Wings of Magius do to multiply witches. I still don't know why they need to multiply witches, but it certainly isn't to fight, since that must be the reason why Mami was sent to interrupt Alina's fight. Their plan must need a large amount of energy. That is why Yachiyo tells Mifuyu that what the Wings of Magius do is no different from what witches do. That is why she continues to be against this plan, even if it involves her salvation as well. You didn't invest enough attention in the anime and so you missed a lot of important details. But it’s not like they’re not there. Don't expect the anime to give you all the information in an extremely clear and didactic way. Record Magic is not for children. There is also information that will be given only in the second season and there is nothing wrong with that. Those who watched the series with dedication and willingness to understand things are much more satisfied, despite its problems. |
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Ryoketsu said: CuteAssTiger said: 1. people always say " ouh the mobile game is better " and its rarely true 2. this anime has to stand on its own . if the information isnt in the anime then thats pretty bad. [anime-only watcher here] You must be thinking that only game players liked the anime. I've never played the game and haven't read a single line of its story, so all of my opinions about Record Magic are based on the anime. The information is in there. The Uwasa victimize innocent people so that magical girls can be freed from their fate. While Kyubey victimizes the magical girls so that he can survive, the Wings of Magius victimize regular people so that they can be released from Kyubey's system. And they victimize people not only by using them as a source of energy for the rumors, but also by using them as food to feed the witches in order to multiply them (as was done with the witch Teresa in episode 10). In the original series, it is stated that a familiar can become a witch if it eats enough humans, and that is exactly what the Wings of Magius do to multiply witches. I still don't know why they need to multiply witches, but it certainly isn't to fight, since that must be the reason why Mami was sent to interrupt Alina's fight. Their plan must need a large amount of energy. That is why Yachiyo tells Mifuyu that what the Wings of Magius do is no different from what witches do. That is why she continues to be against this plan, even if it involves her salvation as well. You didn't invest enough attention in the anime and so you missed a lot of important details. But it’s not like they’re not there. Don't expect the anime to give you all the information in an extremely clear and didactic way. Record Magic is not for children. There is also information that will be given only in the second season and there is nothing wrong with that. Those who watched the series with dedication and willingness to understand things are much more satisfied, despite its problems. "The Uwasa victimize innocent people so that magical girls can be freed from their fate" that is still a better option for the characters them being victims themselves ""That is why she continues to be against this plan, even if it involves her salvation as well." you would think that this would be her primary argument and a topic of discussion in the group. but it isnt.she withholds information from the others and the others just go along. she might know more about magius but the others just comply. And its not even a big discussion point within the group you know you bad story writing when your fanbase needs to make up the motivation because when you actually pay attention you will notice that the actual triggers to their conflicts are pretty contrived. most of the time iroha is more confused then anything and wants to know more while explaining the situation would prevent the fight. its backwords logic from a writing perspective. you want to write events so that they are the result of a characters actions instead of writing the characters actions to arrive to an event even if it doesnt add up in the end "You didn't invest enough attention in the anime and so you missed a lot of important details" i did. the issue is still that it just doesnt add up. just how magius secrecy doesnt add up. they dont have to fight if they just explain the situation you are presenting this like magia record is just going over peoples head when in reality it just have innumerable structural issues. you cant expect a story to have tons of structural issues while also assuming that its writing is just to smart thats pure make believe |
hailhomura said: CuteAssTiger said: You do know that it has another season right? The point is IT WILL BE PRESENTED IN NEXT SEASON, it will be explained dude. You can't ask the show to reveal everything from the begining. Sometimes you have to keep the clue in mind and wait for the explaination.1. people always say " ouh the mobile game is better " and its rarely true 2. this anime has to stand on its own . if the information isnt in the anime then thats pretty bad. that is an empty argument that almost never applys. how many storys do you know that were heavily flawed in their first season and then made a complete 180 in their second ? if a story has structural issues you can assume that its not because the authors writing is just to smart for example how this anime spends most of its time sidequesting instead of actually progressing the plot. The original madoka anime ( written by one of animes best authors) reached what this anime did in 3 episodes ( while executing it better ) this is poor writing regardless of how many seasons this show gets. |
CuteAssTigerMar 30, 2020 6:13 AM
hailhomura said: CuteAssTiger said: What you said is "this anime has to stand on its own . if the information isnt in the anime then thats pretty bad." It sounds like you think they won't put the information in the anime. I am just telling you that they might explain it in the next season.that is an empty argument that almost never applys. how many storys do you know that were heavily flawed in their first season and then made a complete 180 in their second ? if a story has structural issues you can assume that its not because the authors writing is just to smart for example how this anime spends most of its time sidequesting instead of actually progressing the plot. The original madoka anime ( written by one of animes best authors) reached what this anime did in 3 episodes ( while executing it better ) this is poor writing regardless of how many seasons this show gets. "how many storys do you know that were heavily flawed in their first season and then made a complete 180 in their second ?"Are you using google translation? I don't really understand what are you talking about. "for example how this anime spends most of its time sidequesting instead of actually progressing the plot." They were introducing main characters. As for good or bad, it is another issue. wait to clear that out the information that is missing is infomormation that should be in S1 because the characters actions are heavily influenced by it for example the magius keeping everything so secret . they have a very convincing argument but just choose to not use it and rather just start fights so many conflicts in this show are just "why are you doing this? " "its better for everyone but im not telling you why because this story needs some fights but i will randomly change my mind towards the end of the season and a lot of your group will actually join us because we have a really good argument that we just choose to not tell you right now to get more action into this story " "They were introducing main characters." imagine introducing characters in a way that doesnt compleatly stop the plot. kind of like the original madoka did . |
hailhomura said: CuteAssTiger said: What you said is "this anime has to stand on its own . if the information isnt in the anime then thats pretty bad." It sounds like you think they won't put the information in the anime. I am just telling you that they might explain it in the next season.that is an empty argument that almost never applys. how many storys do you know that were heavily flawed in their first season and then made a complete 180 in their second ? if a story has structural issues you can assume that its not because the authors writing is just to smart for example how this anime spends most of its time sidequesting instead of actually progressing the plot. The original madoka anime ( written by one of animes best authors) reached what this anime did in 3 episodes ( while executing it better ) this is poor writing regardless of how many seasons this show gets. "how many storys do you know that were heavily flawed in their first season and then made a complete 180 in their second ?"Are you using google translation? I don't really understand what are you talking about. "for example how this anime spends most of its time sidequesting instead of actually progressing the plot." They were introducing main characters. As for good or bad, it is another issue. "Are you using google translation? I don't really understand what are you talking about." i dont really see why you would not understand this sentence your argument is essentially that S2 would fix the issues of this season . to wich i replyd that that is rarely the case. followed up by the question "how many storys do you know that were heavily flawed in their first season and then made a complete 180 in their second ?" meaning : how many storys do you know that were flawed in their first season . and how many of those fixed all of that in season 2 ? the 180 is reffering to a 180 degree turn aka going from really bad to really good . i honestly dont see any issues with that sentence but im open for corrections |
I don't understand what you actually mean by side-quests. It's the basic plot of the anime that Iroha is investigating rumors with Yachiyo, and other girls join them. Yachiyo is investigating them to protect the city, Iroha is investigating them in hope one of the rumors lead her to Ui. And each rumour reveals something about the city of Kamihama, the plot progresses as the rumors and the main characters are revealed. I don't know if you care or not, but the biggest reveal comes in final episode, that Magius are waiting for Walpurgis Night. Like you have no idea why the city is like this, why Ui is missing, why Kyubey can't enter the city, why and how there are so many girls in the city, why witches are so strong, and many others. The story as it progresses introduces these questions but maybe you're not interested and have zero investment in the show and then you say these are just side quests. It's the main part of story. If something is not served on your plate directly doesn't mean it's a plothole. The story would eventually explain everything, or you can just deduce it. |
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CuteAssTiger said: for example the magius keeping everything so secret . they have a very convincing argument but just choose to not use it and rather just start fights I think you're missing the complete point. How do you think they recruited so many black feathers? They would have invited magical girls, in small groups to remain out of trouble, and tried to convince them. Those who joined well and good, others were brain-washed. The same happened with Iroha and her friends. "The argument is very convincing". Like how? They'll tell about the plan to free magical girls and everyone would believe it without question? Even if they lie you think everyone would accept their lies? If doppel system was so convenient, why would they need to make stronger witches and Uwasa? They are not fighting just randomly, they ask politely, those who refuse are brainwashed. Let me ask you, why Mami fought Homura, or Kyoko fought Sayaka? |
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salarx said: I don't understand what you actually mean by side-quests. It's the basic plot of the anime that Iroha is investigating rumors with Yachiyo, and other girls join them. Yachiyo is investigating them to protect the city, Iroha is investigating them in hope one of the rumors lead her to Ui. And each rumour reveals something about the city of Kamihama, the plot progresses as the rumors and the main characters are revealed. I don't know if you care or not, but the biggest reveal comes in final episode, that Magius are waiting for Walpurgis Night. Like you have no idea why the city is like this, why Ui is missing, why Kyubey can't enter the city, why and how there are so many girls in the city, why witches are so strong, and many others. The story as it progresses introduces these questions but maybe you're not interested and have zero investment in the show and then you say these are just side quests. It's the main part of story. If something is not served on your plate directly doesn't mean it's a plothole. The story would eventually explain everything, or you can just deduce it. i agree that teasing walpurgisnacht is very interesting. but the show doesnt have a lot of that what im talking about is how many of those sidestorys are disconnected or barely connected to actually driving the plot like sana for example. her story is nice on its own but the only thing in contributes to the plot is repeating the same steps of -lets fight uwasa -magius conflict -sana joins the team we already knew about the uwasa, we already know about their relationship to magius , all this does is get sana on the team and she doesnt really do anything for the rest of the story many "arcs" ( may be weird to lable them as that) are just a side story about 1 character followed up by a little information to get the story a bit further compare that to the original madoka where all plotlines follow along with the plot. in addition to that some of the side storys are just ....teenage drama between rena and kaede.?? really ? im sure there are more interesting conflicts then watching the teenage drama of 2 people who we barely know by that point By the time this show solved its tennage drama the original madoka already had an actual plot going on. "doesn't mean it's a plothole" im not saying this part of magia record is a plothole . the existence of the side storys is just bad structure. just like when you had asked me to give some examples to improve and i listed a bunch of structural issues to wich you didnt reply anymore. it was my first reply to you in this thread. if i had to take a guess all of this boils down to the source material being a mobile game. in wich they need to show you a lot of characters and quickly explain their story to sell you gatcha microtransactions. but that doesnt make it good |
salarx said: CuteAssTiger said: for example the magius keeping everything so secret . they have a very convincing argument but just choose to not use it and rather just start fights I think you're missing the complete point. How do you think they recruited so many black feathers? They would have invited magical girls, in small groups to remain out of trouble, and tried to convince them. Those who joined well and good, others were brain-washed. The same happened with Iroha and her friends. "The argument is very convincing". Like how? They'll tell about the plan to free magical girls and everyone would believe it without question? Even if they lie you think everyone would accept their lies? If doppel system was so convenient, why would they need to make stronger witches and Uwasa? They are not fighting just randomly, they ask politely, those who refuse are brainwashed. Let me ask you, why Mami fought Homura, or Kyoko fought Sayaka? "They would have invited magical girls, in small groups to remain out of trouble" how does fighting with them make this any better thou ? how do you get into less trouble by fighting a lot even thou the person you are fighting is actively asking for answers ?? "Like how? They'll tell about the plan to free magical girls and everyone would believe it without question?" considering they have an uwasa that can show memories ? considering they can SHOW people doppels. they have many ways to show people the truth about magical girls besides how are magius not convincing . we see people join them as soon as they explained their reasoning. "If doppel system was so convenient, why would they need to make stronger witches and Uwasa?" honestly . just tell them the truth. the doppel system may suck for normal people because it preys on them but it actually saves magical girls. its not hart to think that people would join them "They are not fighting just randomly, they ask politely, those who refuse are brainwashed." accept that litteraly doesnt happen in the examples we have ? iroha asks constantly for their reasoning without getting answers. Let me ask you, why Mami fought Homura, or Kyoko fought Sayaka? Mami fought Homura because homura already tryd a lot of things in different timelines. to the point that homura didnt really bother with it anymore. She was only focused on madoka. its true that nobody believed the future. but its not like homura had an easy way to proof it like magius does. And even if she convinced them we saw how that goes. mami would prefer people to die rather then see them become witches. Wich is propably the reason why she joined magius in this story. kyouko and sayakas conflict is something completely different. sayakas wish reminds kyouko of how she used to be and what it brought onto her. |
| Yo guys keep fighting about this and in 2nd cour this get resolved, some seem dont know what is a cliffhanger and keep arguing when none has the fault, the true this has to be made without stop so people dont get confused as the as this history relies in a lot of mistery and people like to get some clues by every episode but instead from studio Shaft problems has to be split in 2 cours, the problems are true they are now looking for more staff and the producction will suffer directly for this. I invite you in the other hand theorize or if dont wanna play the game but wanna know more watch videos about or search in the wiki what they did different from the game but at your own risk cuz you can spoil accidentally the final |
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CuteAssTiger said: i agree that teasing walpurgisnacht is very interesting. but the show doesnt have a lot of that what im talking about is how many of those sidestorys are disconnected or barely connected to actually driving the plot like sana for example. her story is nice on its own but the only thing in contributes to the plot is repeating the same steps of -lets fight uwasa -magius conflict -sana joins the team we already knew about the uwasa, we already know about their relationship to magius , all this does is get sana on the team and she doesnt really do anything for the rest of the story many "arcs" ( may be weird to lable them as that) are just a side story about 1 character followed up by a little information to get the story a bit further compare that to the original madoka where all plotlines follow along with the plot. in addition to that some of the side storys are just ....teenage drama between rena and kaede.?? really ? im sure there are more interesting conflicts then watching the teenage drama of 2 people who we barely know by that point By the time this show solved its tennage drama the original madoka already had an actual plot going on. "doesn't mean it's a plothole" im not saying this part of magia record is a plothole . the existence of the side storys is just bad structure. just like when you had asked me to give some examples to improve and i listed a bunch of structural issues to wich you didnt reply anymore. it was my first reply to you in this thread. if i had to take a guess all of this boils down to the source material being a mobile game. in wich they need to show you a lot of characters and quickly explain their story to sell you gatcha microtransactions. but that doesnt make it good "4. dont have villians show up out of nowhere ( the green russian one ) that have no backstory to tell" I guess that stands for main characters as well. Now everyone except Tsuruno and Momoko has a backstory. In Villains, Mifuyu has backstory, Mami already has one, we get to know about Touka and Nemu from flashbacks, that leaves twins and Alina for now. So the teenager fight tells a bit about the relationship about Rena and Kaede, a little bit about their past too. I get you're over simplifying it, but Uwasa of Anonymous Ai (or Ai-Chan was different from other Uwasa which explains how Uwasa differ from those witches). The Commoner's Horse (Shrine) revealed Iroha's Doppel, Misery Water introduced Magius. Why are there Rumours in each conflict, because they are the center of conflict and connects the Magius and our Girls. The main conflict that Yachiyo has that Magius are letting these Rumours free, and that's the whole story. The rumours are basically the puppets of Magius that give them upper hand over the girls and progress with their plan. It would be stupid for them to go and fight them our Girls directly when they can set free a rumour on them, and it's convenient when they themselves approach the rumour, but also a pain the ass. That's why they invited them the Memory Museum to act like they are the good guys and brainwashed everyone. " 1. dont have innumerable amounts of side quests that dont go anywhere. 2. write your antagonistic force in a way that their goals interfere with your main characters goals in a way that presents both sides a valid and justified. 3. make a conflict that actually makes sense " I think I have already given an explanation to these, but again those are not side quests, it's part of the conflict. Iroha is investigating rumors and there she gets many leads. The goal interfere and Magius are a bunch of bitches, and it actually makes sense, the Magius started the attack, then Alina ruined their image, then they tried to make up for it, tried to make it look like they are clearing their image, and finally captured them. None of the characters are throwaway except those who make 10 sec or less cameos. Their stories will never be covered in main story and hence they are their for fan-service without non fans noticing them. In Madoka everyone contributes and everyone's story is explained because it was planned to finish in 12 episodes. The movie was supposed to focus on Homura and supposed to end there happily ever after but they decided to add a twist in the end. In Magia Record not everyone contributes to the story now because they will contribute in future seasons which are already planned or expected to come atleast in game. Though the story is written for the game, which is a gatcha, the main story focuses on only major characters and all remaining characters (probably 80% of all characters) have their own events and own character stories. Most of them don't play any part in the main story even though they live in Kamihama. I'll say it again, the events of the anime are not side stories and it really makes sense to have our Girls and Magius cross their ways by means of Uwasa. They are the pets of Magius (Ai-Chan was an abused pet), and you'll fight whoever hurts your pets. |
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| Actually while waiting for season 2, take this time and start the game if you're that concern about the story.. the English server has been there for long enough for you lots to get into, and fyi the story is coming to conclusion, but still u guys will be in for a loooong dialogue, long is not even a metaphor. Btw I just not sure if some of you likes the battle system, there is an auto button tho, and the gacha system, but there's also a pity counter. If people claim player liked the anime more because they could relate to the character through it, JP server has like 2 years anniversary already, those who wants to look up to their personal story without playing can read them at reddit and other translation site. Lastly, ALL episode even this at the end they told their audience to Play. The. Game! |
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| a few more random thoughts.. I'm amazed Iroha's normal shots have become strong, destroyed the Uwasa that kidnapped Yachiyo in just a few hits. also noticed that Sayaka is at first very aggressive, but stopped helping in the last parts of the fight. Maybe she's too injured, or she thinks the raid boss Mami is impossible to defeat? |
CuteAssTiger said: how does fighting with them make this any better thou ? how do you get into less trouble by fighting a lot even thou the person you are fighting is actively asking for answers ?? considering they have an uwasa that can show memories ? considering they can SHOW people doppels. they have many ways to show people the truth about magical girls besides how are magius not convincing . we see people join them as soon as they explained their reasoning. honestly . just tell them the truth. the doppel system may suck for normal people because it preys on them but it actually saves magical girls. its not hart to think that people would join them accept that litteraly doesnt happen in the examples we have ? iroha asks constantly for their reasoning without getting answers. its true that nobody believed the future. kyouko and sayakas conflict is something completely different. Because they don't want to reveal their shady plan. If they reveal it, Other Magical Girls would do anything to stop their evil plan. They think they are right, but don't trust others to believe their intentions. And yes they have an Uwasa that can show memories, but anyone knowing the whole truth would either joins them or rebels against them, and that's what happens, those happily join are welcome others are brainwashed. They are telling the truth, but hiding the explanation of their solution because it's flawed and good girls will fight them. "accept that litteraly doesnt happen in the examples we have ? iroha asks constantly for their reasoning without getting answers." Let me put it this way - they ask people to join and present what their goal is. They don't reveal how they plan to achieve the goal, reveal what they are saving girls from, but not the how of it. New Girls fall in their trap and are easier to capture, but many girls like Momoko, Yachiyo and many others already know the truth and can't be beaten easily. And the girls actually fight because of their different believes and experiences as Magical Girls. Mami fights Homura because she has seen Magical Girls getting bullied and girls trying to get monopoly, hence in original she says to Homura, "That's how a bullied child thinks" when Homura says she won't allow Madoka to become magical girl. That's why she distrusts Yachiyo and thinks she's the one trying to get monopoly over grief seeds. Kyoko fights because she is the bully and wants familiars to turn into witches to get a grief seed. The fight is there whenever there is conflict of believes, hence Yachiyo and Iroha fight the Magius, because they doubt their intentions and their plan on how they would save the magical girls. They disbelieve them because the black feature don't have their will of their own. Why Magius don't reveal their solution, because it's horrifying. Why Team Yachiyo distrusts them, because they hide their intentions and have an army of mindless feathers. |
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Liddo-kun said: a few more random thoughts.. I'm amazed Iroha's normal shots have become strong, destroyed the Uwasa that kidnapped Yachiyo in just a few hits. also noticed that Sayaka is at first very aggressive, but stopped helping in the last parts of the fight. Maybe she's too injured, or she thinks the raid boss Mami is impossible to defeat? Well she was surprised and must have felt powerless and useless when she saw the doppels. |
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PeKaNo said: I understand that the Wings of Magius act like a sect, but something I didn't really understand is : "how are they doing a bad thing" ? I wish I could understand what makes Yachiyo and Iroha despise them, because apart from the sect way of doing things they don't seem to cause anything bad? I need enlightning -Capturing common people in Rumours -Their cult members, Black Features are lifeless with no will of their own. -The rumours' descriptions end with "a calamity will befall before you". -Their system of saving girls called doppel is out of control, Iroha almost ends up killing Tsuruno before Mami saves the day. -They capture Sana in the rumour, she only survives because Ai-Chan is friendly. Bonus : -The real Kyubey, who is supposed to be good (according to most girls) is nowhere to be found. -Ui is missing, and probably been caught up in some rumor, and no one knows about her. Even though Magius might not be involved in her disappearance, it looks it might be their work how they captured Kaede and Snaa. |
salarxMar 30, 2020 9:56 AM
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salarx said: Liddo-kun said: a few more random thoughts.. I'm amazed Iroha's normal shots have become strong, destroyed the Uwasa that kidnapped Yachiyo in just a few hits. also noticed that Sayaka is at first very aggressive, but stopped helping in the last parts of the fight. Maybe she's too injured, or she thinks the raid boss Mami is impossible to defeat? Well she was surprised and must have felt powerless and useless when she saw the doppels. She gained confidence and determination, but lets not forget she focus alot of magic in that shot it took a toll on her body, she barely has any magic left. For Sayaka, her purpose is to find Mami, losing her in that fight basically failed her mission. Logically crumbling building is still risky of getting your soulgem crushed. PeKaNo said: I understand that the Wings of Magius act like a sect, but something I didn't really understand is : "how are they doing a bad thing" ? I wish I could understand what makes Yachiyo and Iroha despise them, because apart from the sect way of doing things they don't seem to cause anything bad? I need enlightning Because nothing is free and without consequences, let's take episode 5 the Uwasa was gathering regular citizens, and they were eventually use to feed the familiars so they can grow into Witches. Also I think Walpurgisnacht doesn't sound like a good news to you, hm? |
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| Ill be honest, i wanted to give 5 but out of pity i gave 6. There is nothing more sad when good show tries to bring itself to life from past glory with plot which is all over the place, lot of random characters and old cast which acts ouf of character. Sorry, I didnt like it. |
Yuhani said: Phosphollite said: Mami obviously joined them because she's the sort of person who would cling to any hope of salvation. What do you mean by "brainwashing"?She would be the perfect example of a magical girl who would willingly join the wings of Magius, so I really don't understand why they had to go for the whole brainwashing angle. This episode had some really weird sound direction as well. There were so many times where I felt like there was a huge dissonance between what I saw and what I heard. You weren't watching the unfinished version, were you? (The one with a lot of Sayaka standing)Mami is very clearly possessed or being mind controlled (brainwashed, however you want to call it) by the wings of Magius, either through a magical girls magic or through an uwasa, indicated by her weirdly glowing eyes. At least, that seems like the most obvious and straight forward interpretation. Also, I didn't know there was apparently a "finished" version? I don't think I'd be able to distinguish between these version, but I guess the one I watched had Sayaka standing around a lot and not talking much. I doubt the finished version would heavily sway my opinion, but I would at least like to know where to watch it to give it a fair shot. |
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Yuhani said: I think they're referring to the Holy Mami transformation(note her glowing eyes in the fight with Yachiyo as well). Touka mentions experimenting on her, but it's not impossible for her to have been a willing test subject - especially if she was having issues accepting the means(Mami mentioned the Magius were looking into ways to liberate magical girls without hurting people, which is a lie I can easily believe Touka would tell if it helped keep Mami under control).Phosphollite said: Mami obviously joined them because she's the sort of person who would cling to any hope of salvation. What do you mean by "brainwashing"?She would be the perfect example of a magical girl who would willingly join the wings of Magius, so I really don't understand why they had to go for the whole brainwashing angle. |
Yuhani said: Mami clearly wasn't in full control of herself (whether for supernatural reasons or not) but I don't think there was anything in the anime that suggested she didn't voluntarily join the organization. Phosphollite said: Also, I didn't know there was apparently a "finished" version? I don't think I'd be able to distinguish between these version, but I guess the one I watched had Sayaka standing around a lot and not talking much. I doubt the finished version would heavily sway my opinion, but I would at least like to know where to watch it to give it a fair shot. Some streaming services had an unfinished version of the episode. At least Funimation had the correct one. There was a comparison here. I guess I misspoke when I said "joining" the wings of Magius. I meant, I found it disappointing that she ended up becoming brainwashed. It would've felt more impactful if Mami fought Iroha, Yachiyo and Sayaka without having been mind controlled during the fight. It would've really highlighted Mami's desperation and her tendency to act very selfishly (while acting as if she's fighting for the sake of everyone, which only happens to include herself). Also, I did end up watching the finished version it seems, so my comment on weird sound design/direction still stands for me personally. |
BixxbiteMar 30, 2020 3:40 PM
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| So I was completely lost with the plot, I watch the whole series and even thought I didnt really watch it with that much attention I think the sitautions kept changing episode by episode and was hard to keep track of the series. I mean it seems in the end the goal wasnt achieved and I am not really sure why it look like there were two different factions. I might learn from reading the commnents but overal I tried to like it because I enjoyed the first series, but this reboot seemed lacking something. |
| "Miharu denki desu" |
| How come Madoka Magica was able to make me care about the characters right away and this had 1 likable character(at least to me)and even she was there for one episode? I wanted to learn more than Homura from episode 1, I wanted to see what Madoka and Sayaka would do when Mami died, I wanted to see where the Sayaaka and Kyouko conflict would lead, I wanted to see if Madoka wiil ever become a Magical Girl. I wanted to learn the details of the "dream" fight. Did I care for what happens next in Record?Yes every time the show went back on track with Iroha's goal I kept expecting stuff.But no. Iroha searches for Ui whenever the writers remember that this is a plotline. That wasnt happening in the main series. Everything that was happening had as a goal to push Madoka to becoming a MG or pushing her away from that. Searching for Ui takes second seat, at best, in the series. Can I expect that this is a set up and the big moments come later?Yes. Steins Gate did that. The difference is that the first 12-13 eps of S;G could suck you in easily and the episodes that came later didnt make a story go from bad to good but from good to amazing. Even if we ignore the story, animation and directing was nowhere near what a series gave us 9 year ago. Episode 10 was it when it started being too obvious where the fight didnt even make sense. Is this the same studio that gave us Mami vs Homura and Homura going full curse mode on QB, 7 years ago?And I am not even talking about the animation on those two but the direction. Sigh. I have no idea how to rate this. Even ignoring the OG's quality, I cant say that this was more than average. I knew that we would get a second season and I would watch it just because it is part of the series...and then the final line raised expectations high. Watch them not doing anything with. I hope it gets better,i hope the plot lines will actually be related and one wont stop for another to continue, I hope the characters will become more interesting and more likable. We will see. |
ssjokgMar 30, 2020 6:45 PM
If they think what Kyubey does is wrong, then what the Wings of Magius do is just as wrong. They are just changing who is sacrificed. Some may agree with this, but it is natural that others do not. CuteAssTiger said: you would think that this would be her primary argument and a topic of discussion in the group. but it isnt.she withholds information from the others and the others just go along. she might know more about magius but the others just comply. And its not even a big discussion point within the group She hides information from others because the information in question has to do with the fact that everyone around her dies due to the side effect of her desire. Imagine making friends after years of living alone, so these people discover something that makes them afraid of you and get away. Yachiyo just didn't want to be alone. In the rest of your comment, you're just saying "no" to the points that I brought up. I could point out a lot more situations where the explanations for your complaints are there and you didn't see them because you didn't want to pay enough attention, but then you would just ignore them and say "no" again. I'm tired. |
| "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every single time." |
| Yachiyo's wish was damn smart! Mami got crazy and Sayaka came in to help out. When we will see Madoka and Homura? I hope they do appear in season 2. I am sure Iroha is not death. |
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| Miki finally appears too... gotta love that they showed Miki's crazy fighting style, her arm gets torn off while trying to deflect the bullet, she reacts quickly just turns back regenerates it while also catching her lost Katana and finishes to deflect the bullet. Atleast not all of Iroha's friends got convinced by the Magius's movement, although Rena was in quite the pinch at the end. With her hatred for witches there was no convincing Felicia either so Felicia and Sana seem to play along for the time beeing. Heh, Walpurgisnacht got teased at the end too, no matter the timeline it always falls back to that witch. Decent final episode, looking forward to season 2  |
| just because I’ve gotten weaker, doesn’t mean that you got stronger, does it? |
Yuhani said: Mami clearly wasn't in full control of herself (whether for supernatural reasons or not) but I don't think there was anything in the anime that suggested she didn't voluntarily join the organization. Phosphollite said: I guess I misspoke when I said "joining" the wings of Magius. I meant, I found it disappointing that she ended up becoming brainwashed. It would've felt more impactful if Mami fought Iroha, Yachiyo and Sayaka without having been mind controlled during the fight. It would've really highlighted Mami's desperation and her tendency to act very selfishly (while acting as if she's fighting for the sake of everyone, which only happens to include herself). Hmm, from what I understood, Mami wasn't exactly brainwashed... She was just not in full control of herself because she was merged with an Uwasa. When Mami shows up, there is this brief frame introduction to her, saying The Uwasa of..., something like that, it happens for a few seconds. So a good part of her behavior has something to do with the Uwasa and that's why she got so strong. If you get this, then you can understand what happened to Tsuruno too. But I'm not sure about Kaede, because her eyes didn't shine the same way as the other two. |
| It left a lot of questions, but did manage to give a general idea of what's going on. I wasn't disappointed, even though there seems to be so many people who disliked it. Well, I'll be waiting for the 2nd season. |
fuyukiApr 1, 2020 6:38 PM
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