Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken Episode 19 Discussion

kater_tot said:


I get that the show is slice of life but it would be cool if there was a bit more tension. Like, it was set up that humans and monsters hated each other yet the humans have so willingly accepted this nation of monsters that just appeared out of nowhere and also has the power to take down a demon lord without any back up... that would not be as smooth as the show has made out. Like i don't want death and blood shed but it would be cool if there was a little more conflict

kater_tot said:


I get that the show is slice of life but it would be cool if there was a bit more tension. Like, it was set up that humans and monsters hated each other yet the humans have so willingly accepted this nation of monsters that just appeared out of nowhere and also has the power to take down a demon lord without any back up... that would not be as smooth as the show has made out. Like i don't want death and blood shed but it would be cool if there was a little more conflict

Briandias said:


I love your comment, it's so sweethearted and cute

I agree with you honey, it doesn't need tension to progress the story as it's not the point of the show, but if tension were to exist it would be a fine edition and could only be a plus

bitchassdarius said:
re:zero's white whale was such a cool set piece. charybdis is arguably a stronger opponent, but this battle looks like such garbage in comparison.

bitchassdarius said:

the white whale battle looks cool because you get a real sense of danger, and there's actual purpose behind the battle. charybdis is just another enemy that doesn't matter in the slightest, tensura is devoid of dramatictension, which makes all battles effectively meaningless. none of charybdis's stats matter, nor did the fact that rimuru took however long to fight it, because it got one shot by milim and the end result was that rimuru forged another alliance with a demon lord. that's not new ground or interesting, it's essentially the same thing as fighting the orc lord except less exciting.

bitchassdarius said:

it doesn't matter if the world doesn't revolve around rimuru, the story does. what i'm comparing is the setpiece of charybdis vs the white whale re:zero. no i'm not saying the set up has to be the same, because then i would just be arguing which premise i like better. but the white whale is the climax of re:zero and happens pretty much at the same exact time charybdis happens in this story. this has the makings to be a good setpiece, but it completely flops because nothing interesting ever happens in this show.

you could try to argue "well that's not the point of tensura" but then you would just be denying the fact that charybdis is set up to be a calamity, that rimuru couldn't beat it alone, that rimuru had to call in all of his alliances to fight it, that this battle is a culmination of everything rimuru's done so far and this, more or less, is the de facto climax, i.e. you'd be in denial of how the show is actually written.

when an anime is adapted from another source material, the writer doing the series composition plans the show to have the same general narrative structure. this is basic logic, why would you adapt a show and not have a climax for that season? what would even be the point of watching it? if it didn't follow a structure, then it wouldn't go anywhere, and if you're claiming this show doesn't contain a climax, then you're arguing this show is objectively bad, which i'm not particularly opposed to. now that i've explained this to you, don't ever post again. any meager respect you might have managed to keep is now relinquished due to your display of sheer ignorance.

jaw201 said:

Light on an explaination, but you elaborate in your next post, so let's head to that one.




Okay, I guess the lack of danger is fair, but I would argue that the fight isn't supposed to be dramatic or tense, but rather is a vehicle to show just how powerful Millim is. Its meant to be a more dramatic establishment of the power structure in TenSura, and provide a sense of scale.


Yes, Rimuru may be at the center of the story, but let me ask you this, just how much of the conflict in the story has been a result of Rimuru's own initiative. For example, the Orc Lord was already going to come to Rimuru even if he didn't fight it with the Lizardmen. The only reason why he decided to engage it was because if he didn't it was still going to come and attack him. The same thing also applies with the Charybdis. I think the point Grey-Zone is making is not that the story doesn't revolve around Rimuru, but rather that Rimuru hasn't taken an active role in the story yet, and is having these enemy attack him without Rimuru really having a reason to engage besides the fact that they are coming also coming to Tempest. I would consider the White Whale to be an actual enemy, since Subaru has a personal stake in defeating it. This means that we the audience feel tension since if we know he loses, he's going to have to go through everything again. However Charybdis is more comparable to a natural disaster. Its something that is coming to endanger Tempest again and is just an inconvenience, albeit an extremely powerful one at that, that needs to be dealt with. So if you were to boil it down, its less that the fights don't have tension and more that Rimuru isn't actively pushing the plot, and therefore all of these problems end up coming to Rimuru instead of Rimuru actively encountering them.

Now onto your next point.

If I remember correctly, Charybdis is a creature that lacks intelligence, and even though it is a Calamity class monster, its downgraded because its lack of intellegence turns it into more of a natural disaster (Disaster Class Monster). I mean a natural disaster isn't something that you can really handle normally, right? Again, this is presented as an enemy that is less of a problem than the orc lord, even though it is much stronger. The fights aren't the point of TenSura, at least not yet, especially since the world is just throwing enemies at Rimuru that he his forced to confront not because he wants to, but because he has to. Its not like he wants to defeat the Charybdis to save anyone or stop any other greater threat, so the Charybdis has such little impact on the story outside of just showing how powerful Millim is, that it doesn't really count as a culmination of everything Rimuru has done so far.


Well let's address it like this, does a series need to have a climax? Let's look at slice of life shows. Most of those shows don't have a massive climax, or even an overarching plot. These shows are also episodic so I get that the comparison is not 1 to 1 but the point is still valid. Now, quite a bit of people like these shows, so would you be willing to call shows that don't even have a climax, like Nichijou, bad? Quite a bit of people enjoy these types of shows, where everything is relaxed and is focused on the world and the character interactions. Some people also say that TenSura is one of those types of series as well. If there is no conflict then there is no need for a climax. As it stands there has been no real conflict for Rimuru. Sure, the orc lord and the Charybdis are problems for Rimuru, but they are thrown at Rimuru such that every conflict ends up being a conflict born from coincidence. There hasn't been any threat was specifically targeting Rimuru, such that it would become a personal conflict for him. A character actively driving the plot usually has a personal investment in the conflict, however passive characters or rather characters that do not actively push the plot forwards do not have a personal stake in the conflicts. If you look at what Rimuru says when Fuze asks him what he'll do if he fails, Rimuru says that he'll just run away. Rimuru entire attitude towards trying to defeat the Charybdis is "Well, we'll try to stop it, but if we can't we can just run away and deal with it later". Rimuru isn't treating this has a very big issue, and is in fact quite nonchalant about just running away if they fail. Rimuru doesn't even see the Charybdis as something that can threaten him personally. The conflict itself isn't treated as anything more than a small inconvenience, so can it really be called a climax when even the protagonist doesn't even view the enemy as nothing more than an inconvenience that can still be dealt with at a later time. Compared to how Rimuru treated the Orc Lord, this is significantly less threatening from Rimuru's perspective. In this sense, TenSura has been more of a slice of life than a battle series, since right now we are just following Rimuru as he builds and establishes his place in the world.

Also just one more thing, the reason why people call this a deconstruction is quite simple. We have had so many deconstructions of the Isekai genre that we have looped back to deconstructions being the norm, and thus the old norm becomes the deconstruction. This happens to all genres and all forms of media. It has happened in anime genres multiple times as well.

papsoshea said:
Charybdis was supposed to be this huge threat but was defeated in the most LUL way possible. The first time something like this happen, it was funny but meh, second time was underwhelming, given the build-up (Orc Lord) and now this.....

It gets a pass because this anime is just stupid, silly fun and when you view this series that way, you get more enjoyment out of it.

jaw201 said:


Well let's address it like this, does a series need to have a climax? Let's look at slice of life shows. Most of those shows don't have a massive climax, or even an overarching plot. These shows are also episodic so I get that the comparison is not 1 to 1 but the point is still valid. Now, quite a bit of people like these shows, so would you be willing to call shows that don't even have a climax, like Nichijou, bad? Quite a bit of people enjoy these types of shows, where everything is relaxed and is focused on the world and the character interactions. Some people also say that TenSura is one of those types of series as well. If there is no conflict then there is no need for a climax. As it stands there has been no real conflict for Rimuru. Sure, the orc lord and the Charybdis are problems for Rimuru, but they are thrown at Rimuru such that every conflict ends up being a conflict born from coincidence. There hasn't been any threat was specifically targeting Rimuru, such that it would become a personal conflict for him. A character actively driving the plot usually has a personal investment in the conflict, however passive characters or rather characters that do not actively push the plot forwards do not have a personal stake in the conflicts. If you look at what Rimuru says when Fuze asks him what he'll do if he fails, Rimuru says that he'll just run away. Rimuru entire attitude towards trying to defeat the Charybdis is "Well, we'll try to stop it, but if we can't we can just run away and deal with it later". Rimuru isn't treating this has a very big issue, and is in fact quite nonchalant about just running away if they fail. Rimuru doesn't even see the Charybdis as something that can threaten him personally. The conflict itself isn't treated as anything more than a small inconvenience, so can it really be called a climax when even the protagonist doesn't even view the enemy as nothing more than an inconvenience that can still be dealt with at a later time. Compared to how Rimuru treated the Orc Lord, this is significantly less threatening from Rimuru's perspective. In this sense, TenSura has been more of a slice of life than a battle series, since right now we are just following Rimuru as he builds and establishes his place in the world.

Also just one more thing, the reason why people call this a deconstruction is quite simple. We have had so many deconstructions of the Isekai genre that we have looped back to deconstructions being the norm, and thus the old norm becomes the deconstruction. This happens to all genres and all forms of media. It has happened in anime genres multiple times as well.

Wasn't it stated that this version of the White Whale could be, (and was very hinted to being so) stronger than a Demon Lord in the past few episodes?
When your hero can't lose it's quite boring, like some Isekai power trip without a smartphone or a harem...
hmm..

bitchassdarius said:


A bunch of statements with support. "It's meant to be..." statements but no explanation. Why was the Charybdis fight only supposed to establish power levels? Because you think so? Why would you waste 2 episodes establishing something so stupid and frivolous? How much mileage do you get out the idea that Milim is stronger than Rimuru, something that's already been established? This idea minimizes Tensura to a one-dimensional DBZ clone, but if you insist on this idea, then you're admitting it's shittily written.

This is a prime example of why your whole conception is weak. You state these things about Tensura that you think are true but are demonstrably not so. Rimuru isn't actively pushing the plot? Because you think so, that's your sole reasoning, but your memory is selective. Let's just forget that Rimuru went out to the Dwarven Kingdom of his own accord to find dwarves to help him build shit. Let's forget that Rimuru decided to build his own nation, knowing existing nations would notice and feel threatened. Let's just forget Rimuru knows he's going to be confronted by foreign entities, yet continues doing what he wants to do anyways. Yeah, he's not actively pushing the plot because it's convenient for your post on an anime forum. This whole point of contention isn't even valid. So what if he doesn't actively seek out battles? Unless it's a battle shounen we're talking about, most protagonists don't. You think Subaru was actively trying to fight people way beyond his skill level? Did you actually think before you post or are you just making shit up as you go?

Tensura isn't a deconstruction, by the way. Tell me how it's a deconstruction of a genre that's filled with OP protagonists with a focus on world building. Tell me how it's a deconstruction when Death March and Overlord already exist. Tell me why Tensura doesn't need a climax when those two shows had one in each of their seasons. Do you even know what a deconstruction is? There's nothing new to be said about isekai in Tensura that already hasn't been said. Only pseudo-intellectuals spout the word "deconstruction" as if that word had any actual meaning.

This is also another one of your problems. "Well let's address it like this, does a series need to have a climax?" How about we don't? How about you stick to one argument instead of shifting the goalposts? Do you know what the phrase "de facto" means? Who gives a shit whether a climax is necessary? Argue against the claim that Charybdis is the de facto climax, not whether or not Tensura needs one. For all your griping about logical fallacies, you can't even recognize the ones you rely on as a crutch.

Responding to three of my posts doesn't prove shit, all it proves is that you're bad at making a holistic argument. How about instead of making a piecemeal response, come up with a response against the general spirit of what I'm saying. What's more baffling is that you didn't even commit the whole way through, I've posted way more than three posts about Tensura, but you only selected the ones you thought you were able to reply to. Nobody thinks you're well spoken for posting a wall of text that comes off as a bunch scattered thoughts.

. Let's just forget that Rimuru went out to the Dwarven Kingdom of his own accord to find dwarves to help him build shit. Let's forget that Rimuru decided to build his own nation, knowing existing nations would notice and feel threatened. Let's just forget Rimuru knows he's going to be confronted by foreign entities, yet continues doing what he wants to do anyways. Yeah, he's not actively pushing the plot because it's convenient for your post on an anime forum. This whole point of contention isn't even valid. So what if he doesn't actively seek out battles? Unless it's a battle shounen we're talking about, most protagonists don't. You think Subaru was actively trying to fight people way beyond his skill level? Did you actually think before you post or are you just making shit up as you go?

Why was the Charybdis fight only supposed to establish power levels? Because you think so? Why would you waste 2 episodes establishing something so stupid and frivolous? How much mileage do you get out the idea that Milim is stronger than Rimuru, something that's already been established? This idea minimizes Tensura to a one-dimensional DBZ clone, but if you insist on this idea, then you're admitting it's shittily written.

This is also another one of your problems. "Well let's address it like this, does a series need to have a climax?" How about we don't? How about you stick to one argument instead of shifting the goalposts? Do you know what the phrase "de facto" means? Who gives a shit whether a climax is necessary? Argue against the claim that Charybdis is the de facto climax, not whether or not Tensura needs one. For all your griping about logical fallacies, you can't even recognize the ones you rely on as a crutch.

when an anime is adapted from another source material, the writer doing the series composition plans the show to have the same general narrative structure. this is basic logic, why would you adapt a show and not have a climax for that season? what would even be the point of watching it? if it didn't follow a structure, then it wouldn't go anywhere, and if you're claiming this show doesn't contain a climax, then you're arguing this show is objectively bad, which i'm not particularly opposed to.

jaw201 said:

If I remember correctly, Charybdis is a creature that lacks intelligence, and even though it is a Calamity class monster, its downgraded because its lack of intellegence turns it into more of a natural disaster (Disaster Class Monster). I mean a natural disaster isn't something that you can really handle normally, right? Again, this is presented as an enemy that is less of a problem than the orc lord, even though it is much stronger. The fights aren't the point of TenSura, at least not yet, especially since the world is just throwing enemies at Rimuru that he his forced to confront not because he wants to, but because he has to. Its not like he wants to defeat the Charybdis to save anyone or stop any other greater threat, so the Charybdis has such little impact on the story or the show outside of just showing how powerful Millim is, that it doesn't really count as a culmination of everything Rimuru has done so far, especially since it was never a threat to begin with.

Fede_5000 said:

I want to know if you will continue using that "argument" when you see the new isekai that will be this year >:)

Meew2 said:


The fact that all Isekai are the same now or about how this show itself sucks in how it displays powerscaling?
Every episode so far has been a powerscaler and it's been using powerscaling to world-build - this isn't good.
I'm not saying there isn't or could be an anti-hero yet, but Milim could've been the anti-hero here. Look at Vegeta from DBZ for example; this show has some lazy storytelling. You never build your world around characters who are introduced and scaled, especially when that's their one dimensional trait.
Giving character's names to suffice for this is extremely lazy, as if the main character is creating the characters who are one dimensional.
Not all Isekai are the 'same' but they all carry the same genres. You always bake a cake the same way, either way, not all cakes taste the same.
Regardless, it's still a cake.

Meew2 said:
Wasn't it stated that this version of the White Whale could be, (and was very hinted to being so) stronger than a Demon Lord in the past few episodes?
When your hero can't lose it's quite boring, like some Isekai power trip without a smartphone or a harem...
hmm..

Fede_5000 said:

the narration is not lazy but subtle, it is not like the shonen where suddenly break the pace in order to explain every detail of the power of a character in the middle of a battle that is unnatural, each episode gives a detail without becoming intrusive

jaw201 said:

Yes I didn't quote the rest of your posts because there was little substance in the rest of them outside of you insulting people and making appeals to the stone. Unless you can show otherwise...?

To the point of deconstruction. If you go far enough in one directions, ie having a ton of shows that "deconstruct" a genre, you will end up at the point where the deconstructive tropes become the norm, and the tropes from the old norm becomes the deconstructive tropes. How hard is that to understand? I'm not saying it IS a deconstruction, I'm justifying why some people might consider it a deconstruction.

Now with my use of passive protagonist, perhaps I should rephrase. Rimuru is a REACTIVE protagonist, where most if not all of his decision are caused by him reacting to the events around him. This applies to even going to the Dwarf Kingdom, Rimuru is being forced to react to preexisting issues, rather than him actively choosing to confront these issues. For example, if the orc lord wasn't also going to threaten his village as well, then he would never have intervened and saved the lizardmen. You say he chose to make his village into a country? Absolutely not, he was forced into such a position by Treyni. He may actively choose to become a leader, but the choice was essentially forced upon him. Subaru may not have actively sought out a battle with stronger opponents, but you know what he does that Rimuru doesn't? His choice to go after enemies stronger than him is not a reactive choice, in fact due to his unique situation, going after the white whale is very much an active decision, where as Rimuru's choice to fight the Charybdis and the Orc Lord, are both reactive decisions. The writing for the Charybdis arc was weak, but I take issue with the reason you believe its was weak.


Here, you are misrepresenting my argument. What was the reason behind Rimuru going to the Dwarf Kingdom? Oh wait, its because of a random problem that Rimuru has to react to. Why does Rimuru form the Jura Tempest Federation? Because Treyni forces Rimuru into a position such that he HAS to become the leader of the forest. The point is not about Rimuru actively seeking out battles, its Rimuru not having a personal or narrative connection to the Charybdis fight or really a lot of the things that end up happening to him. His choice to fight the Charybdis however, is partially an active decision on his part, as he believe it is going after him specifically, but as soon as he figures out that it isn't going after him, he makes the decision to just let Millim deal with it, since it has no connection with him. But then again, he never made the decision to exclude Millim from the fight, that choice was forced upon him by his subordinates, and even the choice to fight the Orc Lord was accepted for him by his subordinates. Rimuru has yet to transition from the "fish out of water phase" trope that occurs when being transported to a new world, such that he is still a reactive protagonist. A transition from a reactive to an active protagonist on the part of Rimuru would signal that there is an actual threat. You should try to tone down your appeals to ridicule when you make your next post.

Are you trying to dismiss my reasoning just because its my opinion? You don't even try to refute how it can't be how I described in my post. Why are you continuing to use appeals to the stone? What have the last 2 episodes been trying to do if not what I claimed?
How much mileage do you get from reestablishing how powerful Millim is? Well, we have never really seen her use much power, she barely used any of her power against Rimuru and his subordinates. And seeing how she is able to instantly annihilate an opponent that Rimuru, all of his subordinates, and an elite army from Dwargon couldn't defeat establishes much more forcefully that Millim has the power to wipe Tempest off the map if she really wanted to. It reaffirms Rimuru's own decision to try and befriend her instead of fighting her. It also establishes that Millim could become a weapon if she was to be manipulated into performing someone else's will. However, you never said anything to prove your point regarding it not being what I described outside of you asserting it.

Why? Its because of contextual information that you don't have. I can look at the entire series as a whole because I know how it ends, and due to that contextual information, I can make that claim. There is no other point of the Charybdis fight/arc outside of having Rimuru perform diplomacy, with Dwargon, start relations with Brumund, form a relation with Yuurzania, and display just how powerful Millim is, and in turn just how powerful Demon Lords are. I believe I have said previously that this arc is the weakest of the series, part of it is due to Rimuru still being a Reactive Protagonist, but part of it is that this arc really doesn't have a purpose. So yes, this arc is not well written, but that doesn't make the rest of TenSura bad by proxy.


Except, I did. I guess you could call this an avoiding the issue fallacy? Or maybe a red herring? Either way you are redirecting the argument to something unrelated. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you must have skimmed over that part. The portion that you were talking about was in response to something else you said, specifically:

So please stop trying to misrepresent my arguments, the point you claimed was moving the goal posts was responding to the above quote. I will reiterate my point about it not being the climax below.


To add to this, if the fight has no real stakes, which I would argue it doesn't because of the fact that Millim was always there and could swoop in whenever Rimuru was in dire straights and could then one shot the enemy. Then by definition it can't be the climax because there is nothing at stake and with no risk to the main character. It thematically cannot be a climax if none of the characters are at all threatened, because if there is nothing at stake, there is no tension, and if there is no tension, then there is no conflict. And if there is no conflict then there can't be a climax since there was never a conflict in the first place.

As you can see, I previously addressed the point of Charybdis being the climax. No goalpost moving, red herrings, or strawmans here.

bitchassdarius said:

Your argument is constantly restructuring because it's garbage. All your statements are so flimsy that they're not falsifiable. "Rimuru is a reactive protagonist" What the fuck does this mean? What garbage are you watching that has braindead, unresponsive protagonists? Every isekai protagonist ever has been "reactive" from the moment of instantiation of the framing device. In fact, every protagonist is "reactive" just by existing in a conflict. This shouldn't have to be said, ever. These delineations you keep trying to create to weasel your conception out of real problems I'm proposing aren't meaningful. First he's "passive," which is so dumb that you even revised it, and now it's "reactive?" Now that I point how dumb this version is, I'm predicting you'll change it to something even more nebulous, like "no, I meant Rimuru is not proactive." Get outta of here with that shit. And then you go on later to say "Here, you are misrepresenting my argument." As if you weren't the one in the same post to change your answer to "no I MEANT HE'S REACTIVE." You can't even present your own idea with clarity, and then you blame me for "misrepresenting your argument." You're clearly just improvising with no real argument, and you won't admit it because you're intellectually dishonest. You want me to take you seriously? Quit the bs.

You also completely miss the underlying idea, that even if the climax was written to be in the last episodes with no denouement and a cliffhanger (it's not), then this whole season's composition is fucking garbage objectively. You've not once addressed this, instead opting to focus on placement of the climax, as if that was what I gave a shit about in the first place. My argument has always been, Charybdis is a shitty setpiece, the implications of which are either: it's because the setpiece in itself is a shitty climax; or the whole series composition is poorly written. You claim the whole Charybdis fight was just to show how big and powerful Milim is, but you miss the point that that's shitty writing, and my sole mistake here would be that I've given the show too much faith to not waste two episodes establishing something so irritatingly infantile. That is the worst, lowest-tier shounen garbage writing there is. I've asserted several times why Charybdis was setup to be the climax of the season, but you've only attempted to assert your opinion that it wasn't, that you think the Orc Lord was the climax if this season "needed" one, that it didn't really so the "real climax" won't be in this season. I've laid out bullet points, but you don't address those. It would be so easy to, but no, you continue to bring up nonsequiturs.

That's your whole methodology: to assert really obtuse, unfalsifiable opinions as evidence in of themselves. "Are you trying to dismiss my reasoning just because its my opinion?" Yes, because your opinion means jack shit. What you think solely isn't an "argument." I don't have to respond to unsubstantiated ideas like "Well the Orc Lord is the climax because I think it's the climax and not Charybdis because the volumes aren't like that so I think the Orc Lord is the climax." That would be a waste of time. I love how since I've deflated your rampant abuse of "muh ad hominem" you're switching to "appeals to the stone." How deep are you going to plumb the wikipedia article for "List of informal fallacies," endlessly searching for some smoking gun so you don't ever have to substantiate one of your nonsequiturs? Tell me, how else would you address unbacked opinions? You desire strict rhetorical rules in a forum discussion, yet you can't even adhere to the basic tenets of providing material evidence for your statements from the show itself. This is as much an appeal to the stone as when people call out climate change denialists when they parrot "Climate has changed in the past and the data is unreliable." Your saying something doesn't make it true. Spamming "informal fallacies" that you don't understand doesn't make for a convincing argument. It just convinces me you have nothing to say, instead trying to force me to say something you actually have a rebuttal for.

I posted what I thought several times. I was the initiator. I set the goalposts ONCE and FIRST. You don't get to come up with your own questions. You directly answer the ones I presented at the outset, not just spam "hurr durr wikipedia fallacy #4" like a giant baby. You try that shit in any respectable venue, and you will get crucified. You only think you can get away with it here because this is a fucking anime forum, of course pseud behaviour would be tolerated here.

Also, all your literary definitions are flat out wrong. Climaxes are relative to the conflict they are presented in, there's no objective quality of "you need stakes and tension and etc," that's not how that works. I dare you to find me a definition of climax that explicit says you need something at stake or the main character at risk. You have such a poor understanding of narrative structure that you think conflict cannot exist without tension. Watch any film labeled "slow cinema," you will find a plethora of conflicts with no tension. And the kicker is that claiming Tensura doesn't have conflict is tantamount to claiming it's a terribly written waste of time. Writing a story with no conflict isn't writing a "deconstruction," that's just bad writing. Every good "deconstruction" has a conflict, flouting the basics of story isn't "subversive," it's just amateur garbage. There's nothing to address here, you're just categorically wrong. This is when I get to call you absolutely braindead. This isn't an ad hominem, this is well-earned derision because you asserted embarrassingly wrong definitions of concepts everyone learns in school when they're 10. Are you in fact 9 years old? That explains why you defend so earnestly amateur, conflict-less trash that could have been written by a 9 year old.

MattUzumaki said:
Such a bs fight...
They said that Charybdis was as strong as a Demon Lord (or at least very close to one), but he just got one shotted. Ooooookay duuude...

PietTee said:
Let me tell you why Milim one shotted it. She is the daughter of Veldanava see Velda_Nava and Milim Nava. and that Velda guy is the strongest being in history who f*cking created the world, and also Veldoras BigBro. Milim is the strongest in the tensura universe tied at the number 1 spot with an other one demon lords and all other are outclassed by them so badly that u can't even find a suitable scale for that. So charybdis is almost the same class as the lowest level demon lords (there are demonlords and true demonlords for example)and Milim is the strongest demonlord so it makes sense to normal people that she would one shot charybdis.

Mattinator95 said:



Not sure where the world building from power scaleing came from when that's not the case

RayReynolds said:

you speak as if your point or way of seeing was the truth of how a work should be written, of course there are several animes where there is no precise conflict or a clear purpose as Trigun would be where its first chapters does not show exactly what it is that wants to do, the same with Kekkai Sensen from the same author who only shows autoconclusivas stories exposing the world and characters sometimes something very big happens in appearance so that in the end it is not a big thing but a thing ridicule, Also why do you insist on the point of charybdis as a climax? Did you know that the author did not even created Charybdis? this was only put in the light novel after going through an editor so if it is the center of all your complaints you can not blame the creator for putting such a thing that is a filling practically.

Did you read anything I wrote, or are you just bad at reading comprehension? Your point about several shows having "no precise conflict or a clear purpose" is irrelevant. I've never said Tensura didn't have a "precise conflict or a clear purpose," in fact I've stated quite the opposite. And if you think Trigun "does not show exactly what it is that wants to do," then you just didn't get Trigun, it's very obvious from the start what Trigun is about.

Again, I don't give a fuck about what the author of the source material did. I'm talking specifically about how this anime adaptation was composed, and the way it was composed was to have Charybdis as the climax. The fact that it's actually written should show you that what the author wrote doesn't fucking matter, and I have never said anything about the author because the author is irrelevant. How many times do I have to point out that the series composition of a TV adaptation is a completely separate piece of work from the source material? How many book-adaptation movies have you seen where the screenplay changed a bunch of the source material? This is the same exact thing, I don't understand how people don't get this.

Don't bother replying, you seem to be confused as to what I'm actually saying.

ZdloraH said:
Wtf... just how powerful is Milim the super loli?? He legit 1 hit KO charybdis which took rimuru and the whole squad the whole day to deal 30% of DMG LMAO. Now i have a slightly better concept of what the Demon Lords are, but i still dont get their purpose. Also Shouldnt Rimuru have Gildras power since he consumed him? Or is he still hiding it hm?

MattUzumaki said:
Such a bs fight...
They said that Charybdis was as strong as a Demon Lord (or at least very close to one), but he just got one shotted. Ooooookay duuude...

mickbis said:
Hmm Milim isn't a normal demon lord tho...

Carybdis is Calamity
Demon Lord is Disaster
Milim is Catastrophe

The threat rank go like this
Catastrophe >>>>>>>>>>>> Disaster >>>> Calamity >> hazard
It should be explained by King Gazel but that is cut content

current Rimuru alone is Calamity
but Tempest as a whole is Disaster according to the very same King Gazel
and Veldora is Catastrophe

Disaster is something that can be defense against
but Catastrophe is different matters

RazielZero said:

Huh, that's pretty interesting. Thanks for the info.
I foresee Rimuru either gaining more power from Veldora to become a catastrophe level monster, or achieving it in an other way.

Lol, that's what I guessed. Milim just oneshotting the fucker :'D It was a fun battle though with everyone getting some screen time. I wonder if Rimuru could have predatored it or not. But seems like he started to analyze it, so he might learn ultraspeed regeneration or some other skill from it, which is cool. I'm not sure why some were surprised by gluttony. Sure it should have been explained, but I'm pretty certain it came from the orc lord.
Milim is great. I mean I know she is too OP, but that's just what this anime is about. I loved how sad she was for not being able to participate in the beginning.

I find it amusing how a lot of the demon lords and such don't actually seem to be bad guys (or at least not so far), just really powerful monsters. I wonder what Clayman and Leon are really after.

RazielZero said:

Huh, that's pretty interesting. Thanks for the info.
I foresee Rimuru either gaining more power from Veldora to become a catastrophe level monster, or achieving it in an other way.

Lol, that's what I guessed. Milim just oneshotting the fucker :'D It was a fun battle though with everyone getting some screen time. I wonder if Rimuru could have predatored it or not. But seems like he started to analyze it, so he might learn ultraspeed regeneration or some other skill from it, which is cool. I'm not sure why some were surprised by gluttony. Sure it should have been explained, but I'm pretty certain it came from the orc lord.
Milim is great. I mean I know she is too OP, but that's just what this anime is about. I loved how sad she was for not being able to participate in the beginning.

I find it amusing how a lot of the demon lords and such don't actually seem to be bad guys (or at least not so far), just really powerful monsters. I wonder what Clayman and Leon are really after.

mickbis said:
Gluttony is Predator evolved form, It evolve by assimilated Orc Lord's Starved which is unique skill in same family tree. It currently gain additional ability from Staved ( minus the bad side effect )