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JeffxBrian said: gimokes said: She did had a choice. The only thing that made her accept his offer was that it would become much more difficult to unify the continent if she refused it so she took the shortcut. Not really. She's on the losing side and saw she needed his help. He basically said, sex or I won't help. That's coercion friend. That's not coercion, it's blackmail (yes, that's more a technicality than anything :-)). And while it is more NTR than anything else, her expression at the end shows it as rape. Personally, I was enjoying the series, but pulling crap like this definitely does dim it a bit for me. Even though I read that spoiler, I definitely do hope that she does something to atone for this rather than just allowing Alexis to forgive and forget - as there really is no worse thing a girl can do to the guy she loves. |
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| Best episode so far. The last few min was so good and unexpected. I loved the way Milza fucks Don't understand all the hate. I was expecting people to like this episode !! Paris_dono said: That wasn’t a rape scene guys, she wanted something and he wanted something too, she accepted because she wanted his help, that’s all. Even if it is rape scene. What is the big deal ?! Watching people brutally killed (including kids) in ok in anime, but people hate an anime when one spoiled princess get "raped" ?! That scene makes the anime darker and better. I don't like light hearted anime JeffxBrian said: That was rape. Sexual Coercion is rape. He forced her and she had no choice. He knew that and took advantage of it. That was rape. Saying yes when coerced is still considered rape. Forced her ?! No he did not. She had the option to say No. She had the option not to meet him. And she had the option to surrender to the enemy without fighting. She accepted to have sex by who her own will as long as he joins her. Think about it. If I make you an offer that I will join with you that fight as long as you have sex with me, then that means that I forcing you ?! Obliviously No. Note: I don't have problem with rape or forced sex in anime but this was clearly not forced sex |
thepathMar 2, 2018 6:52 PM
| Will the anime even cover the rest of the LN? o.o |
ricardo241 said: from what I heard, they're adapting all 10 volumes in the 24 episodes - so the pace is, shall we say... fastWill the anime even cover the rest of the LN? o.o JeffxBrian said: Some viewers may feel pity for her, but I do not - and yeah, this is definitely forced - again, I don't want to see a simple forgiveness here if they do get married eventually - she needs to truly atone for thisSo yeah it seemed like a dumb plot device to make us dislike the prince and the princess which would set them up as antagonists..yet at the same time feel pity for the princess and want the prince dead. It's just forced. Also accepting Theo would be way more respectable than her actions in this episode. So her character isn't believable." |
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| Damn man, i mean this anime wasn't looking to good from the get-go but seriously (like it or not) this episode made things a lot more interesting. |
| This episode made me happy and angry at the same time, happy for Theo and Silluca and angry about the last minutes, I confess I had a horrible feeling seeing that. |
LighthawkkSep 7, 2022 6:09 PM
elkensteyin said: ricardo241 said: from what I heard, they're adapting all 10 volumes in the 24 episodes - so the pace is, shall we say... fastWill the anime even cover the rest of the LN? o.o JeffxBrian said: Some viewers may feel pity for her, but I do not - and yeah, this is definitely forced - again, I don't want to see a simple forgiveness here if they do get married eventually - she needs to truly atone for thisSo yeah it seemed like a dumb plot device to make us dislike the prince and the princess which would set them up as antagonists..yet at the same time feel pity for the princess and want the prince dead. It's just forced. Also accepting Theo would be way more respectable than her actions in this episode. So her character isn't believable." Lmao...Just realized that its actually 2 cour....I thought it only got 12-13 episode with that kind of pacing |
| The first half is vanilla while the second half is ntr. Fair enough. |
misterkafuuchino said: The first half is vanilla while the second half is ntr. Fair enough. Couldn't agree more. Hahahahahaa :D |
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| Couldn't tell if Theo was dense but played it cool or if he knew what he was doing. Glad it was the latter. I'll probably finish through with this series now that I know. I wasn't intending on watching this but after I saw an image of Alexis being NTR'd I just had too lol. Going to have to rewatch this anime sometime later. Tbh I didn't expect the story to be this complex off the first couple of episodes. |
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| I'll just pretend that second half never happened. But looking at the positive side, Theo got Siluca : ) |
| 2D > 3D |
| That ending can't wait for BD. Now I need Theo x Siluca honeymoon when is all over :))) Arghh! Theo so manly! It gave me creeps... Good Job Siluca for immediate answer. |
Pyon2WarpKunMar 2, 2018 9:29 PM
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JeffxBrian said: ricardo241 said: Lmao...Just realized that its actually 2 cour....I thought it only got 12-13 episode with that kind of pacing Yeah but they destroyed any chance for season 2 with bad writing...and forcing events to happen rather than leading up to it. She definitely should have had time before that happen..her falling into darkness, desperation, and do anything she can to win should have come first rather than do that at the same time. Her character changed almost instantly...rather had her developed. Also..I think it's hard to you know when you're not even into it, even as a guy. Which is why even if What season 2? I thought Vol. 10 is the final one? |
BelbeAlex said: I only came here to see the special snowflakes rage in all their might. Blows my mind to see people dropping this for just one scene. Dont get me wrong,its still mediocre. Same here man. Watching the salty reactions from these insecure virgins is the best. Also its not rape. Consenting Adults can do what they want (Yes, thats actually a thing) and she did it obviously for politcal reasons and not out of love. |
| OMG! Romance, Drama, seinen tag add pls............ |
| People are disappointed because of the sex scene at the end but I'm more disappointed because there's no ahegao face and white fluids all over her body. |
| Finally. Cheers for Theo and Siluca. I knew that rain scene was gonna develop into something like that. Unfortunately, the positive feelings generated for me by the first half of the episode was canceled out by the events of the second half. I understand it's a difficult political decision by Marrine to buy Milza's support - as I see that she's decided to go down the ruthless path of tyranny as the "Black Princess" and give up on fluffy things like love, but man that scene made me want to throw up. Doesn't matter to me if it was rape or not - seeing it gave me a sickening feeling all the same. Definitely no turning back for her after this. I wish I'd never seen her romantic past with Alexis before. This ending scene succeeds at flushing all of those warm memories down the toilet. A sick way to sink a ship, but it works - time to abandon ship. Makes me want to wish death on these characters, even for a bit but we'll see. Might be fun to see Alexis become a vengeful character later on who ends up killing the two of them and maybe himself |
| I think it was completely unnecessary on the part of A-1 Pictures to make such an explicit scene, taking into account that the novel is not given so much importance. It is obvious that they wanted to cause impact and amazement to the spectator and they achieved it. I would not be surprised if many people droped this show from this chapter, if so, it is entirely the fault of the cheering house, because a "consensual rape or sex" can be represented in simple planes, not in something explicit as happened in this chapter, especially taking into account that is an isekai, not a mature seinen as can be berserk. |
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| Here is the thing, I get that this was modeled after medieval times with the whole gaining an ally stuff through the power of seduction. However, there was another way which was just marrying Alexi to create unified empire instead of whoring herself out to continue the war. -Also, there were real occasions where wise rulers chose the latter like for example, Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand was the union between Castille and Aragon to unify themselves against France and the Muslims on their southern border (The alternate history would have been Isabella marrying the duke of asturias to gain a "powerful" ally"). Another example, The union of King Wladyslav and Queen Jadwiga between Lithuania and Poland to combat the rise of the ottomans and the muscovites to the west (Alternate history would have been Jadwiga marrying a random noble in poland). Another occasion was the union of Joanna of Spain and Philip of the HRE which created a union to combat against France and the ottomans. So there were many occasions were a diplomatic "peaceful" deal would be viable, of course Marine would say that there would be nobles that were against it, so was the nobles that were against the different unions, but were squashed. So in conclusion, Marine should die like the whore she is. Yeah, I am dropping this series as well as the LN *sigh* |
ElectricRedMar 2, 2018 11:52 PM
Guranto-kun said: People are disappointed because of the sex scene at the end but I'm more disappointed because there's no ahegao face and white fluids all over her body. Too small so no ahegao....Too bad we didn't get to see Marinne yawn at that scene |
lookatthestars said: what the fuck The ntr scene is the kind of thing that, even if the rest of the show gets great, the show is still with that gross stain. The only way to clean this would be if there was some justice. |
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Guranto-kun said: People are disappointed because of the sex scene at the end but I'm more disappointed because there's no ahegao face and white fluids all over her body. Mah boi. A real man of culture. |
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