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| I agree with Cleo there. -Lunacie said: Judging from the first arc, this is just how the show handle with the small mysteries that were already happened and done.Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. |
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cleo said: hellsascendant said: i've been saying that for a while. i'll be firm on this say we know that the caught girl and avril have ties. No we don't. We're merely guessing based on the fact they're both blonde and Avril has an injury. what i meant have ties has nothing to do with the fact that their both blonde and have injury. i have to disagree on merely. those external definitions weren't the most important part of proving that they have connection. it was the newspaper article the Asian dude summarized for us i also think that its possible they are leading us away from the right answer, funny thing is pages ago people were complaining how easy everything is and now people start thinking its too hard. that aside, all we CAN and have a IMMEDIATE answer is thus. any further speculation won't have any base. not aying its impossible. although i say its possible i strongly doubt it. its like adding too many negatives in a loop. saying that they are tricking us Could be a strategy, however they may also want us to THINK that they ARE tricking us when they AREN'T.OR making us think that they AREN'T tricking us by TRICKING us into thinking that they ARE tricking us by NOT tricking us. adding too many negatives to a sentence over complicates it and make it loose its statement. |
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EvianBubble said: Wow, it's interesting but honestly crazy. Why would a head chopped off by a wire NOT FALL OFF IMMEDIATELY, but rather STAY ON while a motorcycle's going really quickly AND WHILE THE BODY WAS LAUNCHED IN THE AIR?! Also, he died STANDING UP, MID POUND AGAINST THE DOOR? WTF? I mean ... seirously? Anyways, I actually like Avril. Of course they had to introduce yet another interesting character then have her be the culprit ... DUH ... -_-" Plus she's so OBVIOUSLY suspicious it's kind of sad really ... Anyways, Victorica's predictions were really far fetched ... logic gaps are HUGE. What if Kujo just likes blondes? O_O Anyways, can't ANY of the male characters (Glaviel or something and Kujo) figure anything out without Victorica? Of course not ... -_-" Nothing happens 'immediately'. The bike probably traveled no more than 30 feet after the decapitation. At 40 mph, that takes half a second. Both the head and the body are travelling at 40 mph with essentially the same wind resistance. Add to that the sucking action of the wet messy parts and I don't really have a problem with it unless they hit a bump in the road. After the crash though, I think they should have separated more quickly since the body was connected to the bike and would have acquired a different trajectory. It should have decelerated quickly and the head should have continued onward. But… I consider it dramatic license and not unreasonable since it doesn't actually change anything. (Of course, it didn't look like the bike was slowing down even though it was coming up to a T-intersection.) Maybe Maxim died of a heart attack. I think his body would have slumped though. This actually strikes me as the one piece I'd be critical of. Again, I don't think that it changed anything. It just made for a more dramatic opening of the crypt. As far as Victorique's comments on blondes... Perhaps her own subconscious is affecting her thoughts. She obviously has an issue with Kujou's lustful, shameful daydreams. And it seems like half the country is blonde. Maybe she has other, unstated clues but would rather use the opportunity to dig at Kujou's imagination. Grevil managed to arrest someone else without being told who it was. Of course, maybe that arrest will also turn out to be wrongly made. We'll have to see what Avril does. But again, the two guys are action oriented. Shoot first, ask questions later. arrrrr said: Heres the official spellings. ヴィクトリカ(Vikutorika) = http://gosick.tv/character/img/victorica_new.jpg (Victorica) セシル (Seshiru) = http://gosick.tv/character/img/cecil.jpg (Cecil) グレヴィール (Gureviiru) = http://gosick.tv/character/img/glaviel.jpg (Glaviel) Tokyopop obviously didn't bother to check the names for the english TL of the light novel. Given where they're from (i.e. the French/Italian border), the 'que' ending makes more sense to me. I don't think that you can translate the spelling directly since Japanese doesn't appear to have an analogue for 'que'. Nor a pronunciation. That's why it's pronounced 'Victorika'. Take a look at how Cecil comes out for an even better example. Or consider the show's title for another. I don't think there is an official, meaningful spelling of her name (in a latin script). And since the characters aren't English either, people are barking up the wrong tree. Not sure that it's relevant. |
SaitoeFeb 3, 2011 4:20 AM
| Hmm. I don't really understand why the crypt is there in the first place...it seems very abnormal for a school to handle the funeral. Wasn't this a prestigious academy for the aristocracy? It's not like their parents couldn't afford to have the kid sent back to them, and have their own grand funeral. Maybe it's customary in the country they're in or something, but I wouldn't leave my child on a slab in a room full of random former students and faculty members. Wait, wealthy nobles would probably have their own family crypt, right? Why was there even a graveyard on the school grounds, anyway? Also, if Millie was terminally ill, wouldn't she have spent the short remainder of her life in her home, perhaps with a private tutor? Especially when she knew her time was short. Didn't she think of rejoining her family? And even if she didn't because she wanted to carry out her plan and die with Maxim, her family should have still known she was terminally ill, and again, shouldn't have sent her to a boarding school in the first place. Anyway, i love this anime, it's really easy to watch. I hope it's able to really surprise me with this arc. I'm not sure why this little issue is bugging me so much... |
-Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. indeed. |
| Solid episode... again! crypts... and corpses... creepy fun! Avril is sooo suspicious... I am enjoying these quick mysteries.... |
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| And yet amongst all this arguing no one asks the question: who was the rider? |
| Reality's a bore. |
-Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. oh you may be watching a different episode because nothing has been solved yet, the METHOD OF THE CRIME has been explained but nothing has been answered yet, and the solution to those methods has been deducted by Victorica due to EVIDENCES GOT FROM GLAVIEL'S INVESTIGATIONS, EVIDENCES INCLUDES PHYSICAL OBJECTS OR THINGS USE FOR THE CRIME, TESTAMENTS FROM WITNESSES AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR BACKGROUND REGARDING TO THOSE INVOLVE IN THE CRIME. BUT ALL VICTORICA HAVE DEDUCTED ARE JUST THE METHODS AND ARE THE CULPRIT OR POSSIBLE CULPRIT, NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE CERTAIN YET DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MOTIVE AND THE IDENTITY OR CHARACTER BIO OF THE MURDERER AND THE VICTIM. haven't you noticed, Kujo is always asking the question "WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? twice, one in each case but is interrupted because the answer is not yet to be revealed this episode. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE CASE IN EPISODE 1 w/c only had been made clear in episode 3. |
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| hey.. the case not as bad as you thinking T.T I like how the little cases are linked, detective story with an ARC include little cases become a big case is really awasome *at least for me :p* I've read the manga *just 3 chapt, and scanlation/translation stuck*, when Victorique just want to tell her final analysis of this arc... and damn it, I just too curious. |
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| This being awesome is already obvious so i'll just leave what i noticed now here: WTF!? |
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Yumekichi11 said: No one knows so it cannot be argued only speculated, I personally don't have any clue as to who may he be at all. And isn't that the fun part? Take a look at how wrapped up the rider was, he had almost no distinguishing characteristics. While he could have been just another throw away character like the lifeboat lot on the Queen Berry there is always the possibility that he has more to contribute. My point is I prefer to speculate and try to work things out rather than mull over solved mysteries and their overall level of difficulty. Err... that's not to say I don't enjoy how the mysteries tend to connect to each other. I'll shut up now. [lurk] |
NonNocetFeb 3, 2011 9:33 PM
| Reality's a bore. |
AmberFebruary said: -Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. oh you may be watching a different episode because nothing has been solved yet, the METHOD OF THE CRIME has been explained but nothing has been answered yet, and the solution to those methods has been deducted by Victorica due to EVIDENCES GOT FROM GLAVIEL'S INVESTIGATIONS, EVIDENCES INCLUDES PHYSICAL OBJECTS OR THINGS USE FOR THE CRIME, TESTAMENTS FROM WITNESSES AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR BACKGROUND REGARDING TO THOSE INVOLVE IN THE CRIME. BUT ALL VICTORICA HAVE DEDUCTED ARE JUST THE METHODS AND ARE THE CULPRIT OR POSSIBLE CULPRIT, NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE CERTAIN YET DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MOTIVE AND THE IDENTITY OR CHARACTER BIO OF THE MURDERER AND THE VICTIM. haven't you noticed, Kujo is always asking the question "WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? twice, one in each case but is interrupted because the answer is not yet to be revealed this episode. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE CASE IN EPISODE 1 w/c only had been made clear in episode 3. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR POINT. I understand without it, so stop. -__- Anywayyy, I never said anything was solved, and most of my post was directed towards the first part of the show involving the biker and also towards the previous cases. |
| Lol. Yes. Yay for blondes. |
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| In the end of this episode after she collected all pieces of chaos "Type who are like being bossed around by girl" Duh. She made me realize myself! |
| There is like 2 weeks delay in my recent reading list I randomly bought discount/second hand manga with cute/mysterious cover.  Use Personal Blacklist extension in Chrome if you just want to Google for a series synopsis, without google slapping MAL score in it. 3/1 |
| Maxim's body scared the hell out of me. Especially since I was watching this in a wide-screen monitor .___. If Millie Marl locked Maxim inside the crypt then died right after, wouldn't they have found Maxim's body when they opened it to put Millie's (dead) body in the crypt? Seeing that Maxim was shouting for help and that Millie was already dead with a cloth over her body. ...I think I just fried my brain. Victorique solves mysterious so fast. Still getting used to it. |
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| Victorique is so pretty when she runs. Glitteryyyyy~ |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
-Lunacie said: AmberFebruary said: -Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. oh you may be watching a different episode because nothing has been solved yet, the METHOD OF THE CRIME has been explained but nothing has been answered yet, and the solution to those methods has been deducted by Victorica due to EVIDENCES GOT FROM GLAVIEL'S INVESTIGATIONS, EVIDENCES INCLUDES PHYSICAL OBJECTS OR THINGS USE FOR THE CRIME, TESTAMENTS FROM WITNESSES AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR BACKGROUND REGARDING TO THOSE INVOLVE IN THE CRIME. BUT ALL VICTORICA HAVE DEDUCTED ARE JUST THE METHODS AND ARE THE CULPRIT OR POSSIBLE CULPRIT, NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE CERTAIN YET DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MOTIVE AND THE IDENTITY OR CHARACTER BIO OF THE MURDERER AND THE VICTIM. haven't you noticed, Kujo is always asking the question "WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? twice, one in each case but is interrupted because the answer is not yet to be revealed this episode. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE CASE IN EPISODE 1 w/c only had been made clear in episode 3. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR POINT. I understand without it, so stop. -__- Anywayyy, I never said anything was solved, and most of my post was directed towards the first part of the show involving the biker and also towards the previous cases. I think what -Lunacie was getting at was her way of explaining things. For me it's the same, she sort of always explains things in a "nothing but the truth" way. Like "It has to be this no matter what and I am absolutely correct". I mean sure her explanations make sense, but it does not satisfy me as a viewer because there is still room for error. For instance, lets take a look at the "corner of the eye" example. As an explanation sure it is valid, but how can one be 100% certain that that is exactly what it was and not something else? The human mind is complex and not always predictable, and to just use the "corner of the eye" as an explanation seems rather..well..bullshit. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, for I am not an expert in the field of psychology. |
DavyuJul 3, 2011 1:33 AM
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| This episode sometimes made me feel I was watching something like CSI. |
Apologies, I just can't avoid to rant. |
Davyu said: she sort of always explains things in a "nothing but the truth" way. Like "It has to be this no matter what and I am absolutely correct". I mean sure her explanations make sense, but it does not satisfy me as a viewer because there is still room for error. For instance, lets take a look at the "corner of the eye" example. As an explanation sure it is valid, but how can one be 100% certain that that is exactly what it was and not something else? The human mind is complex and not always predictable, and to just use the "corner of the eye" as an explanation seems rather..well..bullshit. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, for I am not an expert in the field of psychology. that was probably the one part that seems VERY unrealistic, but than again, if things are realistic, than it gets boring, (probably half the reason why were watching anime, lol) btw every single time i see her with the blowpipe, i always start imagining one of the phoenix wright songs, the "thinking" one specifically, lol |
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| All these cases are just too easy. I'm not boasting myself but even I can solve the cases in this series. It just Kujou and Grevil that are too stupid to not figure out the crimes. I expected this series will be more Vic's psychological thinking against all these cases, some twists in the facts and reasoning but so far this series had let me down =( |
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| I wish I had teachers like this :$ |
| I really like the teacher! She's great! |
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| The case was kinda boring but Avril seemed really suspicious. |
lanachan said: Maxim's body scared the hell out of me. Especially since I was watching this in a wide-screen monitor .___. Sameeee! >.< SCREAMERS. GAH. Avril is so suspicious. XD The teacher is so bubbly and nice. :D I'm pretty sure the bike guy head chopped off had to do with the whole Maxim case. LOL I think its the missing corpse? IDK. And Avril must have a relation to this too. And gotta say, I love the ending theme. : ) Like the song, not the animation. |
| The scenes in which Grevil lose important parts of the explanation whenever he enters the elevator are the best! |
Snowical said: She really is the Golden Fairy.. *_*;; ''If you're a gentleman, maybe I'm a goddess.'' ''My greatest enemy is boredom, but my second greatest enemy is commotion. I see that though you drive away my greatest enemy, you are my second greatest enemy.'' I see that Victorique is intelligent as always, got to love that. Oh yes. Those were my favourite quotes from the episode. Also, angry Victorique! (Jealous, perhaps?) |
| "If you can eliminate all the other choices, the remaining choice, no matter how improbable, it is the answer."- Sherlock Holmes |
| I must say, tsunderes certainly start young. And I still love when she pulls out that pipe! It's adorable! |
| Somewhere, there is an unplugged toaster sitting on a Coleman stove. Does it feel lonely? |
| Pretty good |
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| I really hope that Avril is the killer just so that she disappears. I really don't want this anime to turn into a love triangle or a harem for Kujou, which I'm pretty sure it will if Avril is innocent and stays... |
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| This episode was good. I liked how somehow the little stories all come together as one, like Millie Marl, the guy that someone (maybe Avril?) and the golden fairy all seem to be related. The thing here is that some of the many things that are happening are OLD already, is not that it's not interesting, but it's just not new. I'm just really hoping that the whole anime is not going to be about stories I already know. |
| My reaction to the bike scene : Seriously, the way he hitted the wall was so goofy and his pose in the air, then he lost his head... It would be too easy if that transfered (lol, so cliche) student was the culprit. She's probably related to another case. But her ''I fell'' excused is bullshit. SHe could have said at least, I cutted my hand while cooking or something like that... Soooo, that Millie Mark was a yandere? Just kiddin' I guess it isn't the end of that case though. Mysterious Victorique... She's so mysterious, that softie tsundere loli. |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| Most excuses would have been better than "I fell" |
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| Wow, Victorique is amazing *-* Why that woman "kills" the motocycle driver? I hope to see a continuation of this case. |
icerain5645 said: Hmm. I don't really understand why the crypt is there in the first place...it seems very abnormal for a school to handle the funeral. Wasn't this a prestigious academy for the aristocracy? It's not like their parents couldn't afford to have the kid sent back to them, and have their own grand funeral. Maybe it's customary in the country they're in or something, but I wouldn't leave my child on a slab in a room full of random former students and faculty members. Wait, wealthy nobles would probably have their own family crypt, right? Why was there even a graveyard on the school grounds, anyway? Hahahah tbh this was the only thing that was niggling at me from this episode too. I guess I'll just have to think of it as a strange custom in that imaginary country, like you said... |
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zat-bust said: Most excuses would have been better than "I fell" |
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| Yes, Avril is obviously up to something, but what? Why did she need the book she found in the crypt? Vic still has the best lines though. |
| How come the head is still intact until crush when beheaded? Plothole? 3.2/5 |
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| I actually managed to solve that mystery with the motorcyclist :P Avril definitely seems suspicious so far. |
| I wonder what is that book about, I hope that Victorique isn't in danger. |
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| The mytery aspect is poorly again, this show is saved by it's characters and presentation. |
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| soo a "mystery anime" which only gives you the necessary hints AFTER the case is solved by the power of plot is consideres very good? |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| well if you have a blonde fetish you are in luck MC because everyone in this country has blonde hair either way I am hoping the mystery aspect of the show improves. Pretty discouraging so far but its just the beginning. I'm not really feeling the characters tbh. |
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