Sygnus said: FRIENDS, ROMANS, COUNTRYMEN! LEND ME YOUR EARS! Please read everyone's posts CAREFULLY before you comment, refute, etc! I'm really seeing a lot of posts in which people completely miss the point of the previous post SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read everyone's ideas CAREFULLY!!!!! Discuss plot ideas HERE!!!!! What we need is...
We voted that our manga will be a Mecha, Comedy, Horror, Romance, and the supernatural. We'll some how compile it all i guesss... CHAPTER ONE Directors
Storyboard doodz
Artists
CHAPTER TWO Directors
Storyboard doodz
CHAPTER THREE Directors
Storyboard doodz
ALL STAFFING FOR THE FIRST CHAPTER IS FINAL. No drop outs or you'll be fired forever -_-. We're starting on the second chapter soon, so if anyone wants to be a scriptwriter or editor for the second chapter, then speak up :] Calendar for CHAPTER ONE This will take effect on May 6th 2009. Since there's so little time left in the year, this schedule will be used for next year as well. BRACE YOURSELVES. THIS IS GANNA TAKE A SHIT LOAD OF DEDICATION and bare with the colors... it's like 4 in the fucking morning give me a break Please string your name at the end of your post so I know who's who >_<. melancholy said: Oh... by the way. We're not rejecting the ideas because we want to stay true to the original plot. Most of the ideas are being rejected because they're too cliche and have been seen too many times. We're trying to avoid being just another Gundam Mecha anime, and try to add some uniqueness to the manga. If you're going to reject someone's idea, please give a good reason. Try to stay up to par with my long response, cuz the more detail, the more we can understand each other [i hope]. Also, don't take any of the comments personally. PLEASE act professional or else we're gonna get nowhere. Don't think that I hate you or anything, because I really really truly don't. For me to hate someone because of discussion over manga? Oh please. It's WAY too immature and ignorant to hate someone because they were sharing their ideas, and I hope you guys don't hate on each other JUST for sharing ideas and being honest. And don't feel shot down because we rejected your ideas! Feel free to argue back and defend your idea, but let's not respond with something immature, rude, or ignorant. That kind of behavior won't be tolerated. -Lisa Sou |
melancholyJun 1, 2009 6:53 PM
| Lawl... here i go with my long ass rants about manga lolol...feel free to disagree with anything i am about to say. See, I don't exactly have a good idea for a plot yet, but I certainly know ways of how to make a manga... not crappy. I'll throw out base ideas to see where everyone will take my suggestions. By the way, I watch too much anime, and these are the exact thoughts that I think when criticizing anime... First off, I just wanna say that if we're going to combine mecha, horror, comedy, romance, and super natural, it's gonna be CHEESY if we take ONE wrong slip. I'm freakin serious. I cannot stress how many anime I've seen that have tried to attempt this... where 99.9% of the jokes aren't funny, the romance was WAY too cheesy, the horror completely was out of nowhere, and the mecha fights were a little too... cheesy. [COUGH COUGH dragonaut... COUGH COUGH dearS...soul link...etc...] The way to completely avoid that is to somehow combine all of these genres in a very very VERY subtle way. This means NO forced jokes, NO forced romance, NO forced horror...you get the point. Now wait a sec, how the heck are we supposed to subtly do it without any of it being forced? We need to set up a plot that can easily let us hit all of these genres without making it look like we're trying to hard. Something REALLY flexiable. The plot should be very straight forward that doesn't take us about 5 episodes to figure out what the plot is about. The more complicated it gets, the more cheesy cuz then it'll seem like we're just trying too hard. The simpler, the better. If you can explain the main idea of a manga in a sentence, then it's perfect. And if we can take a simple concept and explode it into something amazing, then god knows how beautiful the manga will come out. Anime like Aria, GTO, Nodame Cantabile, and Kino's Journey have very very simple plots but the authors REALLY know how to do a lot with the simple plots. Even Death Note has a very simple concept that is exploded into something amazing. The BEST way to do this relies HEAVILY on the characters and their personalities. I CANNOT emphasize that enough. The characters need to be built up with a perfect personality so that they can blend in these genres easily. The less characters the better. When we have less characters, their personalities can be fleshed out so fucking much and the relationships can be built up beautifully if we can do it right. We can't have like like... 150 characters where about 140 of them are insignificant to the plot but apparently have a whole episode devoted to themselves. Now, I've devoted the next few sections on suggestions on how I believe everything should blend in. This just helps me organize my thoughts :P
LAWL that's cheesy, but again, it's a start. I think it's better for me to illustrate this idea rather than to type it up cuz I feel like I can't convey the situation that I am envisioning XDDD Anyways, shoot away with your ideas plz :P -Lisa Sou |
melancholyApr 23, 2009 7:26 AM
lycantat said: damn it lisa u absent minded asian u for got to put me under artist do u even know me and jimmy are the fathers of anime club we ran it some number of years ago and all we did was watch anime no computers so there wherent any fakers Chill, bum. Did you not see the 10 page essay she just wrote? And you've got the cojones to say that. I bet your incarnation of the club couldn't raise 800 dollars. So sit down, shut up, and address your grievances properly, you cocky, headstrong, unfeeling ingrate. Also, you might want to fix your grammar, buddy. |
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Sygnus said: lycantat said: damn it lisa u absent minded asian u for got to put me under artist do u even know me and jimmy are the fathers of anime club we ran it some number of years ago and all we did was watch anime no computers so there wherent any fakers Chill, bum. Did you not see the 10 page essay she just wrote? And you've got the cojones to say that. I bet your incarnation of the club couldn't raise 800 dollars. So sit down, shut up, and address your grievances properly, you cocky, headstrong, unfeeling ingrate. Also, you might want to fix your grammar, buddy. wait... there was an anime club a few years ago? never heard about it. well i guess if we had to go out and make a new anime club, then the old one must have blown some balls. |
| lawl, i posted my idea for the plot in my long ass post but it's kinda buried so i'll post it again Vincent Clyde ould be a secret prodigy elite mecha pilot who attends high school regularly as a student. He has a best friend, Sherri. These two have a strong chemistry of love between each other... Throughout her life, Sherri has been haunted haunted by killing machines [o_o?] because she has significant powers [but nothing too magical or fantasy. Something simple, like time traveling, or the ability to corrupt minds]. She knows she's being haunted and will eventually be killed, but doesn't want to tell anyone about it. Ironically, the Vincent is the one who is building these killing machines that is haunting Sherri because he wants to possess the powers she has, but he doesn't know that it's the girl he loves that he is haunting... and she doesn't have the slightest clue that he's a mecha pilot... or something like that. Sounds cheesy and complex if you read it again, but it's a start :P Lawl, the way I explained this plot sounds a bit cheesy. I'll try to break it down a bit. I'm hoping the manga doesn't focus too much on the mecha because i don't want this to become just another mecha anime, but there is clearly mecha right from the begining of the anime. It's not just randomly thrown in like in Gankutsuou... anyways, the male protagonist and the female protagonist don't have so much a romantic relationship, but a really funny and comedic relationship that eventually turns into love. Presto, you've got romantic comedy. I decided to have the girl haunted by something that the guy created because then he is directly tied into the horror, and presto, mecha has been combined with horror. And if she's being haunted because of an ability to corrupt minds, presto whamo, you've got super natrual. Nothing that's really forced, amirite? I'm not saying we're totally going with this idea but this I'm hoping it's something that'll at least trigger ideas. |
melancholyApr 23, 2009 7:26 AM
| Oh boy a mecha manga? I mean, not to brag or anything, but I've seen quite a few mecha, good and bad, in my day... SO THIS IS THE PERFECT STOMPING GROUNDS FOR MY IDEAS Let's start with our big, metal, buddy, our main mecha! -BASIC MECHA DESIGN- High school, probably modern to near future. The mecha will need to have very modern weaponry, but nothing too futuristic. NONE OF THE FOLLOWING: World-ending laser Black hole cannon Gravity based weaponry Spiral Energy, G-Stones, GN Drives, Getter Rays, or anything that has an infinite amount of power. So we're really talking Real Robots as opposed to Super Robots. As in any mecha, there should be: The Hero's Mecha, with higher specs than the... Mass produced Mecha, which will be the cannon fodder. The big-bad mecha, can be mass produced or like the hero's for a single character. This gives the hero a rival, although IMHO there shouldn't be a one on one rivalry. But we'll go into that at the plot discussion point of this post. So in my head... I imagine the mecha to be something like this... Description: There'll be several variations, which will be explained later, but, at the bare minimum these things will be like walking, all terrain tanks. They will have legs, however, these legs wl be supplemented with treads or wheels to aid in movement through streets or long flat areas. They will all have arms, although some will have rudimentary arms, while others may have very defined arms, fingers and all. Height: 5-6 meters Power source: Very large battery unit (I like the sound of Freya Driver...) Weapons: Something along the lines of large-scaled small arms... mecha sized rifles, pistols, and for close quarters, knives. Specialized mecha wil obviously have different types of weapons for their specializations. The cockpit will resemble a basic mecha cockpit, with control boards on either side of the pilot, 2 foot pedals, and 3 monitors for viewing. Advanced models may include a 360 or extended screen. For example, this could be on of the defining features of the hero's mecha, aiding his already fantastic piloting ability. As for their overarching name... ARMS Which stands for Assault and Reconnaissance Mechanized Suits Cooler names for specific suits come later. I bet you're glad I'm done writing about the mecha, but there's still my plot ideas! So hang onto your most recent meal and HERE WE GO! ~And so the plot thickens~ Through the use of mechanoid weapons known as ARMS, military interventions have brought peace to most of the world. However, these interventions were not brought along by the "righteous" powers in the globe. No, this peace was brought about by the very company that produced ARMS, the paramilitary organization, AstrumOrdo. Starting in 2039, AO implemented their newly developed ARMS to stamp out terrorism, despotism, and many other global issues. Due to their actions, people's trust in their own governments began to wane, thus allowing the rise of powerful corporations, who in a sense became their own governing bodies. Fast forward to the year 2057 Former countries have been divided amongst the richest orgnizations in the world- governments no longer by the people, for the people, but rather, by the business, for the business. At the AstrumOrdo run Liberal Arts Secondary School (PLEASE CHANGE THIS NAME FOR ME), -heroine's name here- struggles to keep up with the rigid and rigorous curriculum. Being in her second year, you'd think she'd be used to it by now, but sadly, that is not the case. In fact, the very nature of the school gives her chills. Though she cannot remember anything from before er 5th birthday, she has a fragmented bit of memory, that she cannot place- Crumpled over her are people dressed in lab coats- they lay dead on her as if to protect her. Out of the small gap between the bodies, she sees a red light- the eye of an ARMS. A loud noise- A crash- And then the momery comes to an abrupt halt. She's been seeing this in her dreams more often recently... And for as long as she can remember, she's had terrible, inexplicable headaches whenever she was angry at someone. However, she passes that fragment of memory off as insignificant. Her father, despite her irrational dear of them, is an ARMS pilot, and she has no mother. Her grades in school, despite her struggling, aren't half bad. She isn't popular, but she isn't the class ridicule target. She has friends, and she has enemies. This is her truth, her reality, and she sticks to it. Across the classroom sits a seemingly average teenage boy. Average grades, lower than average motivation. He's a funny kid, to a point that the professors tend to grow weary of his hijinks. However, if you observe him closely enough, you will notice a solemn, dedicated look on his face. [hero's name], Test Pilot for AO-Experimental Development Section. His less than average day job disjoints him from the average high school setting anywhere outside the school, disallowing him to spend much free time with his small circle of friends. Claiming a variety of excuses ranging from illness to solitary study session, he spends much of his free time with the AO DevEx staff, testing whatever new equipment they may have developed. Despite his exterior, he really does feel some loneliness- after, he is just human. ------------------------ ...I had a scene in mind, I'll post it in an upcoming addition. |
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| Running off of Sygnus after her scene a declaration of war takes place between to competing groups, Now instead of lulz memory loss I was thinking a more Romeo & Juliet type thing with the girl he loves a mecha pilot on the opposite side, the comedy comes in thier battles with each other often ending in ties for some reason or another. I also wanted the declaration of war to be Pearl Harbor style so this is what I came up with: Two kids on a beach(one of which is the main character) , its like 11 at night, they look to the sky and see the stars, and it looks as though one of them exploded, then another and another, a bright flash and you see the contrails of something in the atmosphere, falling, burning on re-entery its falling towards the kids on the beach. A massive splash, it crashed into the water and there is steam everywhere. The steam clears and the kids rush into the water and on one of the shoulders they see the scorched but still legible badge " 1001st Solborne" Sol means Sun BTW, so like the battles take place from mostly 38,000 feet and above but their are lower altitude battles when there isn't a warning of the attack so to continue: They see more streaks in the sky, seeing ARMS decending from the skies. To their left they hear a whirring noise and where a rock used to be there is now a SAM site and another to their right. WOOOSH!!! A missle is away tracking after a ARM. The ARM fires a bust of rounds towards the missle, BOOOM!! The ARM then shoots at the beach, destroying the SAM but also hitting our main character's best friend. That's when they leave, his friend bleeding out in passenger seat of the car, as they race though traffic to get to the ARMS Testing Facilty, known as Area 515 you see more ARMS dueling in the sky above as it pans out to show the battered city... Let me know what you think!! Got to catch the bus see you all later! P.S. It's Jordan P. here. |
| I like Sygnus' idea for the mecha but we should still ask what kind of weapon it will use. Laser, large rifle, or railgun? A weapon is an important part of the mecha's "feel" so to speak. Also clothes. Ever heard the saying "The clothes make the Man."? It's true, what the characters wear is very important. We need a good high school outfit, if we decide to do uniforms for the high school or we need to give them casual outfits. Then for Vincent we need to give him a pilot suit for the mecha (form fitting would probably be best), and a dress uniform for formal events, like meeting with superiors or such. Finally are we gonna show any focus to OTHER soldiers during combat. If so we need to design a generic uniform and weaponry design for them. There's more too but I'll stop here for now. David B. |
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| ok i totally no wat the girl's power should be! the power she has it vair vair dangerous... when ever shes angry she gets into dis rage where her eyes go totally black (or white... or sumthing cooler) and she starts killing everyone around her. (adds to the horror and supernatural). but after her rages she totally fogets everything tht happen during her rage (or not idk). so im guessing the gov. is trying to get her cuz shes a danger to humanity and wants to 'heal' her, but actually just want to use her as a weapon n try to create more like her except making them easier to control. for her charater i want her 2 b the loner type quite and stuff while the the guy is the outgoing one with a bunch of friends. her classmates r scared of her bcuz shes sumwat scary looking (i want her 2 have white hair tht turns black when shes in her rage). even thou shes kinda scary looking she personality is actually really sweet, the only reason y others cant c tht is becuz shes shy. i want her personality to b kind of like nagisa's (just the personalilty nothing else). she doesnt have a lot of confidence and she's a bit conservative. also her boobs r not huge! they r a C cup at most!!! nothinbg larger than tht!!!!! n... ... wow im still going on... ummm i'll continue dis is if u guys like the idea.. haha im just babbeling... if u like the idea i'll continue... if not i'll just shutup |
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| Hey guys, I talked to Ms. Shapiro about putting our manga on the Jagwire Ahaha... there's gonna need to be a change in plans. Ok, first off, I gotta give a reality check to everyone. The Jagwire is releasing the week of May 11th. And they have to get to the printer by the end of next week. Ms. Shaprio told me she needs something by Wednesday or Thursday NEXT WEEK. Time is not my concern because I'm sure we can draw something really quick with no problem since we have quite a small spot. My ONLY concern is the content. We could go with something dramatic and put a sample of what we've come up with so far, OR we could come up with something completely different and make it a comedy but JUST for the jagwire. I hope I'm making sense... We have 2 options for the position of the comic. Here are the two options that Ms. Shaprio gave me The area in red is where our comic will be positioned Option #1  Option #2  So yeahhhh.... with such little space, I feel like we're going to have to resort to a comedy 4-koma. By 4-koma, I mean something 4 panels, like THIS. These are really quick to make, but really hard to come up with. I'm gonna read a few 4 komas to get a good idea of how to make some jokes. There's no way we can pull off something dramatic in such little space :/ even if it's a sample... but we can try. By the way, I'm up for option #1 because it gives us space to do 2 vertical strips, instead of 1 horizontal strip. Like so...  with more panels... we could either go with a comedy or a dramatic scene. I REALLY need some input by monday on what to put in the jag wire :/ Oh by the way, we'll leave a link to our website so that people can read it online, which means I STILL want the first chapter to be done since we're advertising it on the Jagwire. So let me run down the dates...
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melancholyApr 23, 2009 5:55 PM
IMHO: Option one, just a 4koma... Something basic, lighthearted, and funny... however, introducing our manga as a whole. Something that would bait in potential readers... Not totally my forte, however, the obvious is: -The strip needs to STAND OUT -It need to LOOK GOOD -compared to its surroundings- -It needs to be FUNNY It does not necessarily have to be amazingly drawn, but it most definitely should not be fleabag. Otherwise, Option 1, 4-5 boxes, maybe the last one for straight information and a bit of illustration. |
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| Mrs. Shaprio said that we gotta commit to making the comics for every jagwire issue because people are gonna be looking for our comic and if it's not there it's kinda disappointing. Unless it sucks... Do you still think we should make a big web comic project of what we're coming up with so far or should we wait off til next year? This is because we're doing such a short comic on the Jagwire and committing time to make such a big comic. It'd be wise to do it next year, but then again, I'm really excited to start this like right away. We can take our time to do the first chapter and theres no rush to get the first chapter online because we probably won't even advertise it heavily until next year when we have a LOT on the website. |
| I has idea Since the next issue is essentially the last (or almost last issue), we can announce our upcoming 4koma series and tell readers to look forward to it next year. In addition, we can also plug the serious business manga as well, putting the link in an everything. Something like that |
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Sygnus said: I has idea Since the next issue is essentially the last (or almost last issue), we can announce our upcoming 4koma series and tell readers to look forward to it next year. In addition, we can also plug the serious business manga as well, putting the link in an everything. Something like that lawl XD so now we're making a 4koma series? lolol sounds like fun. we can do that on the side IMO. yeeaah... we can say that we're making an upcomming series, we don't need it to be released right away. This relives pressure of time and gives us more space to come up with something good XDDD And we can even work on the serious manga over the summer. If it's on a website, then we can advertise the website to anyone and anywhere. Trust me, when it comes to advertising, it's my total forte 8D I also wanna get other people's opinions on what to make the 4koma about... but not too many people are posting on here yet... |
melancholy said: lawl XD so now we're making a 4koma series? lolol sounds like fun. we can do that on the side IMO. yeeaah... we can say that we're making an upcomming series, we don't need it to be released right away. This relives pressure of time and gives us more space to come up with something good XDDD And we can even work on the serious manga over the summer. If it's on a website, then we can advertise the website to anyone and anywhere. Trust me, when it comes to advertising, it's my total forte 8D I also wanna get other people's opinions on what to make the 4koma about... but not too many people are posting on here yet... Yeah, I know, I can still hear the crickets chirping and the pin drop from across the room. However, to be honest, when this plan was in utero, I was thinking solely 4koma. BUTTT we now have this tandem project, which IMHO, is much better than my original idea. Since it's a 4koma, it'll be easier to write, draw, and implement, so I think it's for the best. |
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| if no one is putting input, then we're gonna have to make the decisions ourselves. These kind of decisions need to be done OUTSIDE of the club meets, because the club meets should be focused on creating, not debating. here are examples of 4komas so people who are actually reading this thread can get a good idea Example 1 Example 2 (classic favorite) Example 3 Example 4 Example 5 Example 6 Example 7 keep in mind that the art style doesn't need to be solely anime. They can be like the funny stick figure comics [but then we'll be like...copying off that guy XD] likeeee Example 1 Example 2 ...but we gotta keep it appropriate of course xD |
melancholy said: if no one is putting input, then we're gonna have to make the decisions ourselves. These kind of decisions need to be done OUTSIDE of the club meets, because the club meets should be focused on creating, not debating. here are examples of 4komas so people who are actually reading this thread can get a good idea Example 1 Example 2 (classic favorite) Example 3 Example 4 Example 5 Example 6 Example 7 keep in mind that the art style doesn't need to be solely anime. They can be like the funny stick figure comics [but then we'll be like...copying off that guy XD] likeeee Example 1 Example 2 ...but we gotta keep it appropriate of course xD Many lolz were had. Yes, those are perfect 4Koma examples |
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| LAWL it's about time i respond to what everyone else said James - Yeah i know that we can't do inside jokes like code geass or kemeko, i was just using those examples so people know what a 4koma is XDDD ummm are far as ideas for the 4komas go, it's hard to do something funny and keep it appropriate.. especially for high schoolers. maybe we can go for something like a political joke [?], or making of a celebrity? or making a small silly joke about school. how about something like... Little Kid: Hey Obama? Do you have change for a 5? Obama: No. But I have change for the nation. or something like that XD Sidrah: I like your idea for the main girl having a mad rage. [btw, we temporarily named her Sherri]. I'm just gonna add on to your idea. I was thinking she goes into a state where her eyes change colors, and when that happens, she has the ability to corrupt minds upon eye contact. When people look into her eyes, knowledge of the world is forced into their brains to the point where it becomes extremely hard to handle and their brains literally explode. [But don't get me wrong... Just cuz the brain explodes doesn't mean the head explodes...because I dun wanna see no rolling heads on the ground. too cliche :/] The AstrumOrdo [or the AO, read Jon's post] is going after Sherri powers so that they can take the mind corruption ability to their advantage. What I was thinking was that tiny microchips dig into Sherri's head and crawl into brain at night when she's asleep. these microchips gather data about Sherri's mind corruption powers, and the AO studies this daily. Because of this, when Sherri wakes up, she always has headaches. Eventually, when the AO figures out how to fully use Sherri's power, they're going to kill her because 1) as the original subject, she could prove to be a threat since she has had the powers since birth and has mastered it since then and 2) so other companies don't get a hold of her powers. And ironically, the person who is programing these micro chips is Sherri's best friend and lover, Vincent Clyde. Of course, the audience doesn't figure out that Vicent programed the micro chips because it's important to develop the relationship between Sherri and Vincent first so that when the audience ACTUALLY figures out, it'll be extremely dramatic if it's pulled off correctly. Through Vincent's eyes, the micro chips are created to revolutionize the world in a positive way, because Vincent is so naive and is a really cheerful guy. He's programing them, but not deploying them, and that's why he doesn't know that the microchips are being used on Sherri. He doesn't know about Sherri's powers. She also doesn't know about the microchips, although she's seen them once or twice before going to sleep but brushes it off as nothing. As far as Sherri's personality goes, I have to disagree with her being a shy and secluded character because it's just been used WAY too many times. See, Sherri always wakes up with terrible headaches because of the micro chips, but despite all that, she still has a happy and normal outlook. That kind of what I'm going after. People wouldn't suspect that she has something life threatening going on in her life, and neither does she know her self. She needs to look as normal and happy as possible so it's not obvious that she's being haunted by something. [but not over the top happy.] And for a cheerful person to be hiding their real, dark feelings is more interesting than the loner who obviously has something wrong going on in their life written all over their face. Also, I can't count how many times I've seen a situation where the loner girl falls in love with the outgoing guy. It's been uesd too many times, and we'll seem really cliche. I hope you can understand >___<!!! But I am totally going for your first idea! David: Amen to that :P Jordan: Me and Jon both agreed that the idea was too mecha heavy. We're trying to avoid war so that we don't end up like just another Gundam anime. This is more of a conflict between corporations, rather than getting nations involved. War also gives the anime too much of a historical outlook, which isn't as appealing against a futuristic outlook [cuz in the future, we'd be less prone to war]. The Romeo and Julliet idea is there, but not the way that you're potraying it. Jon said the second paragraph sounds too much like Gundam Wing. The entire scene with the ARMs flying in the sky because ARMs can't fly, they are walking tanks. Let's try to avoid space so that because it's just too overdone [hence, macross, outlaw star, ALL the gundam anime, and basically... just any mecha. too over done, we're keeping it in the city]. Also take into consideration that stuff like mecha's flying and war is just waaay too hard to draw. Let's keep this a war between cooperation. |
| Oh... by the way. We're not rejecting the ideas because we want to stay true to the original plot. Most of the ideas are being rejected because they're too cliche and have been seen too many times. We're trying to avoid being just another Gundam Mecha anime, and try to add some uniqueness to the manga. If you're going to reject someone's idea, please give a good reason. Try to stay up to par with my long response, cuz the more detail, the more we can understand and take each other seriously [i hope]. Also, don't take any of the comments personally. PLEASE act professional or else we're gonna get nowhere. Don't think that we hate you or anything, because we really really truly don't. For us to hate someone because of discussion over manga? Oh please. It's WAY too immature and ignorant to hate someone because they were sharing their ideas, and I hope you guys don't hate on each other JUST for sharing ideas and being honest. And don't feel shot down because we rejected your ideas! Feel free to argue back and defend your idea, but let's not respond with something immature, rude, or ignorant. That kind of behavior won't be tolerated. |
melancholyApr 23, 2009 8:05 PM
| *clap clap* I'll leave some criticism once I've read it. For now, anime and sleep. |
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| Well when I thought mecha I thought ACTION ACTION ACTION EXPLOSION ACTION....but hey what ever. Though I must say my mind is a LOTTTTTTT better at making action scenes, so let me know where you can use me. |
Portal8229 said: Well when I thought mecha I thought ACTION ACTION ACTION EXPLOSION ACTION....but hey what ever. Though I must say my mind is a LOTTTTTTT better at making action scenes, so let me know where you can use me. Keep in mind that we're not doing something pure mecha. There were other genres that people wanted to do, the mecha genre didn't receive the highest vote out of them all. I'm kind of against doing a mecha anime, but I'm still up for it. that's why we should keep it mecha lite to be fair. so lets get a good blend of all the genres that were voted on. Again... if you want to defend your statement, feel free to. Don't keep all your discussions and thoughts to yourself. We all want to be honest with each other. |
| Ehhhh well like yeah ummm sooooooo..... *Portal has disconnected from the server.* |
Jordan: Me and Jon both agreed that the idea was too mecha heavy. We're trying to avoid war so that we don't end up like just another Gundam anime. This is more of a conflict between corporations, rather than getting nations involved. War also gives the anime too much of a historical outlook, which isn't as appealing against a futuristic outlook [cuz in the future, we'd be less prone to war]. The Romeo and Julliet idea is there, but not the way that you're potraying it. Jon said the second paragraph sounds too much like Gundam Wing. The entire scene with the ARMs flying in the sky because ARMs can't fly, they are walking tanks. Let's try to avoid space so that because it's just too overdone [hence, macross, outlaw star, ALL the gundam anime, and basically... just any mecha. too over done, we're keeping it in the city]. Also take into consideration that stuff like mecha's flying and war is just waaay too hard to draw. Let's keep this a war between cooperation. 1.A conflict between corporations...Marduk Institute & Seele v. NERV?? 2."Cuz' in the futuree we'd be less prone to war." Really? I mean seriously?!?! Ummm we are talking about the human race right? Ok then unless a nuclear war took place Fallout 3 style, then I doubt heavily that we'd stop fighting each other, I mean why is the main character testing bloody WEAPONS!!? if there is no more war. Further more, corporations in the past have gone at each others throats for technology, so whoooooo is to say that some CEO wouldn't lose it and ransack some new tech by pretending to be terrorist or something? 3. ARMS can't fly.......ok the space part maybe but what type of mecha are we talking about that don't have jump jets at least? Can you talk about the obstacles something that big would need to overcome? Plus I was thinking only like Armored Core type mechas, I think our artists can handle that. The stuff you are describing reminds me of Chromehounds:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CjUcAcTCcO0/SBXBVgZRs0I/AAAAAAAAAPw/k-racTT3e7E/s320/chromehounds.JPG AC:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fDs53lhqf44/STxptxmid0I/AAAAAAAACnw/tQdZntHuTng/s400/armored-core-crest_330_396.jpg 3.Were keeping it in the city? Why? I'm not pushing for WWIII in mecha form but can we be realistic in terms of what the people want, they say if you "jump too high you get smacked down" well let us conform if ever slightly in terms of the mecha, there is still space for Horror and SN and Romance, and besides the horror of war is appalling, the fear of never seeing your loved ones again, the feeling of invincibility, the connection you make with the fallen when you are about to join them, I mean come on, if you need an example think of Asuka fighting off the prototype EVAS in NGE, that's a great scene detailing most of which I just said. So in conclusion just defending my idea like you said, and preparing for your counter of course. |
| ok for sherri i think that she shouldnt always be perky too. cuz thts also been used way to many times. to figure out her personality look at the real world. wen perople are hurting or under stress (especially girls) they get really moody. i think that sherri should be really nice and perky (or something) but like in the morning shes always really tired and moody (generally bad mods) but gets better after a point in her day like after coffee or food or going outside. (idk. 0but yeah and also i think that sometimes durring random times in the day she sould get really bad migrains tht are so bad she falls or staggers or passes out. but the audience doesnt have to kno why. her getting headaches could add drama and possibly romance or a funny situation. like wat she wakes up too. :) wow i wrote alot.. ok well just an idea. :) - candice collins. :3 |
| IM SO EXCITED TO START DRAWING!!! ... if theyer any solid ideas tht everyoneagrees on id LOVE to start sketching them or atempting them. :) I WANA DRAW!! xD |
| See if you can draw this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qGtGl4NFC8s/Rdmxpkh-q5I/AAAAAAAADIY/iYQm4Chea9M/s1600/armoredcoreor8.jpg |
| All right, all right, all right, in the famous words of a great man... LETS DOOOOO THIS!!!!!!!! Anyway, to be completely and brutally honest, for coming up with ideas, not only am I more prone to creating graphic novels(comics... >...>) yet, the problem with this genre is EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE. EVERYTHING. (simpsons...) Well, I kinda liked sidrahs idea yet, I cant imagine writing something Ive heard and read ALOT. The main reason I'm here is to totally drop some bombs and enforce Jordan's idea. I acutally thought this is possible to do. Oh and I'm sorry im not trying to start the flame war, yet to be sincerely honest, chances are were not gonna make money with this, and 2. Because we most likely wont, lets have fun with this. Lets pull a Sam Raimi(awesomeness) and just go all out enthusiam and have fun, eh? To poke at another comment thats been bothering me, is I dont think (NO OFFENSE) Jon and Lisa should be the Monarchs here on the decision to cut ideas or not. If thats the case, (again realism) were gonna have to comprimise for an idea not everyone likes, and will end up being poorly written or drawen due to the displeasure of losing a cool idea. Considering we have mutiple writers and artists, they should decide wether they want to spend their free time with it. Not to say that none of us will put any of our free time and patience into this( we kinda already have..) and I do respect everyones sincere efforts at this project. sigh.... anyway to Jordan's idea it is a bit cliched,yet as I stated early what isnt? Its just been a bit less cliched than other ideas. This is just my opinon dont be all grrrrr, all right? Peace. Evan D. |
| Candice: That's actually a pretty good point... Sherri should be a pretty perky and happy person, but she also needs to be realistic. So yeah, being moody sometimes would be good, since it would also lend to some romantic and comedic situations. Jordan: 1. Conflict between corporations: Yes, most definitely. Drawing this out to a nation scale is just too cumbersome. 2. The type of combat we'd be prone to i the future would not be the troop rushes of old, but small, decisive skirmishes. Also, think of the situation like the city states of Renaissance Italy. A lot of the conflicts involved money, and was between maybe one our two city states. Nothing massive, but very decisive. 3. We're keeping it in a city for the same reason we're keeping the conflict to a small scale. The story would just become too cumbersome. Ever watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes? TOO MANY PLACES. Even Code Geass's story became cumbersome. There would be simply too much to cover, too much to consider. As for the feelings you're describing, they will be evident. You got a pilot, Vincent, and his love interest, who is very central in the story, Sherri. 1 + 1 = 2, if you catch my drift. 4: We're trying to make the mecha not so big... and not so prominent. The mecha are really just an addition, sorta like a toner. But the designs of the AC's are good, so if it could be, say, miniaturized, literally and figuratively, then full speed ahead! Evan: Ah no, we're not trying to lord over this entire thing. We're just giving our own ideas, and we're allowing you all to defend yours as well, and attack others, as long as you can make your arguments logical and intelligent. We're really working towards compromise and absorption of other ideas, because honestly, we can't do this ourselves. As for Jordan's idea, I really did put some consideration into, but looking at it, it's less of a plot and more of a scene. IMHO, the mecha shouldn't fly, and let's try to avoid space if possible. We're just rookies at this, and we should try to make something that isn't too complicated and technical. To hit a broad target audience, we need a story that isn't too bogged down, is somewhat fast paced, keeps the reader engaged, but does not go too over the top. Battles are nice, yes, and I promise you, they will be evident, but an all out war is just not easily palatable by the general audience. |
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| Evan: We're not trying to be a monarch, and I really hope you guys are not thinking of us as monarchs. I made really long posts about encouraging people to post and defend their ideas for the sake of me and jon not having too much power. Just because I'm telling people that I'm against their idea doesn't mean I'm trying to control the manga or hurt anyone's feelings. But see, if i'm against someone's idea, then of course i'm gonna speak up because i don't want put so much work on a manga that I don't really like. And I hope they do the same if they're really like their idea. But as I said, if you wanna defend your idea then defend it and we'll come to a compromise. And I'm gonna defend my ideas as well :P Oh and just cuz I'm flooding the boards doesn't mean I have any more power than you guys :P I just have the tendency to write a lots cuz I has a lots of opinions. yay for grammarz And I don't think any of us were planing on doing this for the sake of money but just for fun. When a lot of people are taking it seriously, it's a lot more fun :P I agree with a lot of what you're saying because a lot of things are cliche and have already been done so we're prone to doing something cliche as well. Jordan: Actually, to be honest, I was talking on the phone with Jon and just typed up what he told me. I think, in my position, it's hard to criticize your idea because I feel like you gave more of a scenario rather than a plot. Why are the ARMS suddenly attacking on the beach? Why is there a war? Also, is it just a matter of luck that the two kids just happened to be involved with this entire mess? If so, can you explain what's going to happen to these kids? Will they be involved in the war and out of luck miraculously stop it? This is just so I can understand what you're going after cuz I'm willing to listen, and as you can see, I might just be interpreting what you originally posted the wrong way :/ so if you can explain with more detail it'd help us out a lot Candice: Agreeing with your idea about Sherri, and I'm starting to lean on not making her a perky character cuz I dun want her to look stuck up XD. But other than that, it's pretty much the same thing I had in mind for the character. |
melancholyApr 24, 2009 5:14 PM
| We can make some of the political and military aspect of the colony or what ever we end up putting this story in, minor or bring it in later so we know the people first. We at least need to show the reader that it is in the future and it has something like a government and a military that has the ability to create giant robots, even if it is not man operated. We can try to start a section off in a training with the ARMS but having the main male character starting off as a pilot already is a bit over used....but I did like the Idea of his childhood being ruined by them. Can we try to make him hate the creators of the ARMS? Even if we don't the ARMS should not be used as much as the pure Mecha....unfortunately... the real James P. |
| peace love and manga guys . peace love and manga. :) |
Portal8229 said: See if you can draw this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qGtGl4NFC8s/Rdmxpkh-q5I/AAAAAAAADIY/iYQm4Chea9M/s1600/armoredcoreor8.jpg hey portal8229 the site you put up i couldnt get. could u repost it plz. |
| oh my flippan ...pancakes. (wierd replacement i kno) i got the picture and uhh THATS FREKING HARD LOOKING!!! but i think i could sketch it well. the biggest prob for me would be shadowing and places where theres a glare. like the places where the lights hit it and make tht spot white. i can try tho... eventually. :) cool looking tho. |
| Jordan: Actually, to be honest, I was talking on the phone with Jon and just typed up what he told me. I think, in my position, it's hard to criticize your idea because I feel like you gave more of a scenario rather than a plot. Why are the ARMS suddenly attacking on the beach? Why is there a war? Also, is it just a matter of luck that the two kids just happened to be involved with this entire mess? If so, can you explain what's going to happen to these kids? Will they be involved in the war and out of luck miraculously stop it? This is just so I can understand what you're going after cuz I'm willing to listen, and as you can see, I might just be interpreting what you originally posted the wrong way :/ so if you can explain with more detail it'd help us out a lot. I was running with Sygnus's ideas of plot, and trying to lay out our first "issue" or set of panels. BTW I'm not angry with you or something just trying to raise up my idea. Also I like the plot so far with Vincent, not so certain with Sherri but SN is not my specialty sooo yeah. Also I can handle small battles I just didn't know thats what we were going for, and I mentioned a few times that I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND NOW NOOOOO SPACE!!!! When I said it looked as though the stars were exploding I was exaggerating my point, of there is a battle in the sky going on. Also if the story isn't about the mechs, 1. Won't people be like ummm where is the MECHA?!!?! Like if we are going to have a serious plot involving the girl Sherri and some mental issues then we should just drop the mech idea entirelly and move on to the Romance and SN, or else the Mecha will just be an unecessarily sore thumb on our project. So if we are going to have small battles and the mechs are on the back burner then we should just toss them out. Lastly: The kids on the beach were Vincent and his best friend, his friend Shen got injured so Vincent was taking him to the testing facility for mecha and weapons because it is basically a base and they would be able to help. That would have also led into the next scene of Vincent worried about his friends thoughout the city and getting ready to go off and fight the attacking nation (now corporation). P.S. "Oh my flippan.....pancakes" LOL Hilarity!! |
Portal8229Apr 24, 2009 7:22 PM
| Um... Jordan? Sometimes I feel like you misinterpret what I'm saying :/ I still want the mecha, but I want it to be mecha LITE. As in... no chapters with 50 pages of mecha fights and more focus on high school life to keep the mecha very low key. i'm typing up an idea that me and jon discussed for like 3-4 hours. I'm not done typing it yet, but maybe it'll give some clarification to the idea i'm trying to get across |
| I got what you are saying, do it lite I was saying why bother just pull it out and focus on the main story. It seemed like that "LITE" would be a waste of resources but if you can pull it off than all power to you. Edit- Going to bed will check this in morning. |
Portal8229Apr 24, 2009 8:37 PM
Portal8229 said: I got what you are saying, do it lite I was saying why bother just pull it out and focus on the main story. It seemed like that "LITE" would be a waste of resources but if you can pull it off than all power to you. Edit- Going to bed will check this in morning. No, what I've come up with can bring mecha in but the main focus isn't really the mecha Take Code Geass for example. The first season is relatively mecha-lite because they mostly focus on the powers of the Geass and how lelouch mind fucks everyone, rather than all the fights. There aren't mecha fights in every episode of code geass, vs gundam 00 where there's at least ONE mecha fight every episode and the whole focus is the mecha. I just want a manga where the main focus ISN'T mecha... but there is definitely mecha in it. |
| well i guess she can be sumwat perky but... i mean... well... lets c when sherri was a baby since she had tht power, babies can get frustrated quite easily, think the amount of ppl she killed as a child, which is y i think her dad should b one of those uhhh... watvr u call them ( APEC pilots?) to kill his daughter. she probably kill her mom along with any other relatives. i cant imagine a person who had such a violent pass to b perky n happy..... but then again i guess tht could work. ... i was thinking tht theyre should b more than just 1 person with like powers like tht... maybe like later in the story theyre should b another person like tht with powers... but she (or he) is all moody cuz she never had anyone 2 make her happy b4. (or sumthing like tht... n thts a bit cliche) ... anyway after sherri starts killing ppl as a child her dad wants to kill her off... but her mom saves her so she can run away, but sherri gets angry cuz she thinks her mom is abanding her when actually shes saving her, so she ends up killing her mom as she escapes sumhow. then she ends up in an orphanage n gets adopted to a happy family, met vincent at the orphanage as welll (n yea tht part is really cliche) .. but yea her being perkyish is ok with me! ... ooo-ooo n i want her 2 have 5 toes!!!! (u no how in the future humans will only have 4 toes on each foot cuz the little toe is useless?) n as a child they chopped off her little toes! |
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| i like the way jordan wants to start the story with the idea of helping a friend to a corpetation base cuz he was hurt somehow. and then vincent leaving to go battle. also lisa if we start it that way thn it would be really easy to incorperate the scene you and iwere talking about in theater. u kno the one with sherri going after him andd he leaves. yeah if we decide to use tht scene for the maga instead of the preview/ teaser/ newspaper strip. we definantly need to get an outline going tho and start making final rough draft choices tho. so we have something to present ot everyone else who isnt keeping with the thread. (just wat i think.) |
| o n for the 4 koma i was gonna use dis for me n amoerry's short manga if we made tht book magazine thing (genshinanigans) its called thin slices of pie its basicailly a slice of life manga n i would just base it off funny stories tht happen to us in realy life. cuz u no i have a bunch of those. n we were gonna just do 4 koma 4 it anyway. |
queenwafflegirlApr 25, 2009 9:35 AM
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| and upon just reading queenwaffelgirl's entry, i think its an ok idea its a good foundation but we could tweak it a lil to make the really cliche parts more original. idk how yet . comment again wen i have an idea. (talking a bout the group manga not 4 koma) |
| oh and lisa i kno that the idea we talked about in theater isnt finalized or anything but if u want i can start trying to sketch it for you. it would just be an outline. but its w/e. ur choice. :) |
| Ok, I know you two are both girls and that may have some influence but please try your best to use actual words instead of, "tht" "u" "ur" "dis" "n" "cuz" "no" (instead of know). I'm sorry to be the grammar nazi here but it hurts my brain to have to re-read the stuff you guys are writing. |
melancholy said: Portal8229 said: I got what you are saying, do it lite I was saying why bother just pull it out and focus on the main story. It seemed like that "LITE" would be a waste of resources but if you can pull it off than all power to you. Edit- Going to bed will check this in morning. No, what I've come up with can bring mecha in but the main focus isn't really the mecha Take Code Geass for example. The first season is relatively mecha-lite because they mostly focus on the powers of the Geass and how lelouch mind fucks everyone, rather than all the fights. There aren't mecha fights in every episode of code geass, vs gundam 00 where there's at least ONE mecha fight every episode and the whole focus is the mecha. I just want a manga where the main focus ISN'T mecha... but there is definitely mecha in it. Portal8229 starts watching Gundam 00 |
| alrite the reason y the mecha is lite is becuz didnt we vote rite in the begining tht we would want a shojo instead of shoujen? n the only reason y i dont really like shoujen is tht 2 me fight after fight is boring to me, n in half the mangas tht i read tht have fighting i have no idea wats going on (especially if its by clamp) tht only ppl tht do like the fighting r the ppl who picked shoujen n more ppl picked shojo than shoujen, which is y they r keeping the mecha lite. n plus there r a lot of good animes with a little mecha like code geass or full metal panic....actual i believe tht FMP is a mixture of comedy, mecha, romance, n SN.... n sum semi scary stuff (part where tht chick tht looks like saya from blood+ is gonna assassinate kaname). actually now i wanna rewatch FMP... damn i should finish spiral first.... o n srry thts just the way i type,n i cant change tht. |
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| Sidrah: LAWL i kinda had the same idea for Sherri, but in a different direction. And yeah, the reason that it's mecha lite is cuz majority of us are girls and we kinda wanted a shojo to begin with but I'm cool with adding mecha.And I like totally blank out when big machines are fighting each other cuz i dun really know whats going on @___@ It's cool if there's mecha, but keep it lite likeee Code Geass and FMP just like you said <333. Candice: I think we're gonna have to end up doing a comedy in the Jagwire cuz we have such little space *tears q___q* BUT if people are still up for that idea, what we can do is draw it and print it out, then give it to people for free as a little sample and to advertise our manga~ and you can sketch out what you had in mind cuz i wanna see it :D i'm planning to do a rough sketch to show everyone what i had in mind as well cuz sometimes writing it out in text doesn't seem to cut it XD Brandon: Lawl, agreed ANYWAYS! One night, Jon and Lisa stayed up on the phone until 2 am spending 3-4 hours of just tossing ideas back and forth. Before we knew it, we pretty much had a whole storyline down @___@!!! And we didn't exactly intend to create a storyline XD it sort of just...happened... Of course, this isn't finalized yet XDDD Feel free to add on, or disagree with stuff In order to really understand the depth of the plot, we decided to give an insight of one the character we had in mind. Oh and keep in mind this is just an IDEA. It’s not set stone, we may or may not go with this, and we’re willing to take criticism. Brace yourselves... this was after 3 or 4 hours of coming up with stuff... this ended up being 8 pages on word document :/ |
melancholyApr 25, 2009 11:07 AM
| I HAZ IDEA!!!! For the flashbacks we could do history references, so like in her dreams we see random ass historical events happening, like ummm 9/11 or WWII stuff like that. Also about the mind rape, ummmm recorded human history is roughly 5,000 years,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history) and that can fit into the human mind believe it or not, "The human brain contains about 50 billion to 200 billion neurons (nobody knows how many for sure), each of which interfaces with 1,000 to 100,000 other neurons through 100 trillion (10 14) to 10 quadrillion (10 16) synaptic junctions. Each synapse possesses a variable firing threshold which is reduced as the neuron is repeatedly activated. If we assume that the firing threshold at each synapse can assume 256 distinguishable levels, and if we suppose that there are 20,000 shared synapses per neuron (10,000 per neuron), then the total information storage capacity of the synapses in the cortex would be of the order of 500 to 1,000 terabytes. (Of course, if the brain's storage of information takes place at a molecular level, then I would be afraid to hazard a guess regarding how many bytes can be stored in the brain.) Over the course of a species-averaged 30-year lifespan, with 15 waking hours per day, this rounds to about 150MB of memory per lifetime. That means that a 30-year old human would be able to make approximately 1,200,000,000 binary distinctions based on memories until their ability to make distinctions based on memory reaches breaking point. Consider that a typical courtroom hearing probably extracts no more than a few thousand bits (perhaps a KB at most) from witnesses based on testimony. Using that as a reference, this number seems reasonable, if not a bit high. The estimate also assumes that people are exposed to novel information content every second of their waking lives. Of course, some prodigies, such as Daniel Tammet, probably are capable of retaining significantly more information than 2 bits per second, but this is a unusual case. Given that approximately 107 billion people have ever lived on this planet (”people” meaning members of the species Homo sapiens since 50,000 BC), we can derive a rough estimate of the total information content of our species’ entire memory, present and past: 1.07 x 10 x 1.5 x 10 bytes = 1.6 x 10 bytes. This works out to approximately 10 terabytes, around 20 times the information generated by the entire Internet in 2002. All of which can fit on the human brain, so technically speaking you could in theory know absolutely everything in human history. |
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