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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- The intro actually looks like the previous episode except with the other guy :P it's just wrong in a way or two after that 0.0 |
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| What deterred me from this episode was the pegging, not really a fan of that. Well at least there was a gang bang scene. |
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| I dislike this type of gang rape shit, but the sex scenes were alright. At least the son blew it off to her videos :/ netorare sucks. Japan will one day self destruct cause of declining birthrates. And cheating without divorcing isn't really helping Japan. The past 3 years, Japan dropped 3 million in pop. If it keeps declining at the rate it's been going, Japan will be gone within a few decades. |
OmnimeSep 1, 2013 12:19 AM
| reminds me of sanbun's work... the feeling i get after watching this in the end.. only in 2D world guys...only in 2Ds =_=... [i hope] |
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| This is basically just Yama Hime no Mi. Although there is a slight added more dark psychological NTR if you'd say, by when the son fuck the mom, at the end, she says "Even though it was decided for you to cum inside me, for Shin's sake I held it in (came)." Then the son was like "no way." Then the mom was like, "You know I loved you, if you only were like this from the beginning. But you're already way to late, I'm already all Shin's. Laters, bye bye, goodbye forever." Then it ends with her son masturbating to her AV videos? If not AV videos, then Shin made the videos on purpose for her son to masturbate to. In the end she says, "Don't talk about him." When Shin brings up that her son is probably watching her video. The son ends with, "What the hell should I have done?" Oh yeah also, as a "Mother" she LOVED her son, like mad. Then after Shin, well yea. Whatever, fucken sucks and I'm a masochist to my own emotions by watching this. Whatever, hopefully one day there won't be anymore NTR XD sick742 said: reminds me of sanbun's work... the feeling i get after watching this in the end.. only in 2D world guys...only in 2Ds =_=... [i hope] It's not impossible. Decades ago, psychologist Abraham Maslow identified and categorized what he called deficiency needs, or D-needs for short. Level 1: Physiological – air, water, salt, food, sex. Level 2: Safety/power. Level 3: Acceptance/approval/attention. Level 4: Esteem/status. It’s only a question of time until: - Dopamine-induced expectations are extended to all of Maslow’s lower D-needs. - The more powerful the expectations, the more powerful the addiction, the greater the denial, the weaker the free will, the more likely addicts are to detest any information that threatens to keep them from feeding their addictions. - Scientists acknowledge that It's possible to get addicted to safety/power, acceptance/approval/attention, and esteem/status. - Safety, acceptance, and esteem addictions aren't considered addictions because we inherited our addictive behaviors, deceptions, and denials from clever ancestors. To keep the dopamine flowing, heroin addicts use needles, safety addicts swallow lies, acceptance addicts join groups, and esteem addicts chase status. One important distinction between addictions is that heroin addicts have to hide their needles whereas safety addicts get to wear their weapons, acceptance addicts are free to flock to groups, and esteem addicts get away with flaunting their status symbols every chance they get. Understanding if someone is addicted to love or sex is not really easy. It's entirely possible to become addicted to sex. I can't exactly say in the same way as in this hentai, but it's entirely possible. If enough dopamine shoots through the membrane, you can black out and feel like in heaven. It hits a point on a scale, when your body just becomes addicted to that feeling. Although, personally I doubt that the scenario such as this one is possible, but I won't deny it's capabilities. Because in this scenario, she is addicted to sex but also to Shin. If she could have sex with anyone, without Shin there, then it probably has nothing to do with him, but only the sex. However, because of the end, it's obviously a sexual need and attention through Shin, that gives her pleasure, which is more a psychological attachment to Shin than to the sex itself, but in the end it's just a hentai. |
OmnimeSep 1, 2013 8:54 PM
| Meh... wasn't very exciting at all... weak resistance, early acceptance, no dramatic breaking down process, no flashback with good memories, and trap-like son who actually got to have sex... the animation is also very rigid and repetitive... all in all, not hardcore enough... NTR used to make me rage more, but this is just pathetic. |
seveneir said: Man,this mom really not human anymore when she already decided to forget her own son and treat him like a slave.Even she also rape her own son man.But if you follow this story from a original game it just way more brutal than this hentai actually.According from a original game story,Kyouko will become insane after Shin leaves her while she still in pregnant state.Not just Shin leaves her but her own son also leave her too.After couple a year,her own son comes back and he totally surprise to see his mom tortured his sister and more become like a demon.In the end,he killed his sister and also his mom.End of story.. Is this in the game? And his sister, meaning the baby? The mother kind of deserved it, but the baby didn't :( I kind of wished he killed Shin too, but /shrug |
| These type of series will only feel alright if we don't think too much about it :) |
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| It was the perfect mix of hotness/rage induction and then some. Since I'm a fan of Mother/Son incest (to find this kind of genre in the anime industry is a task in itself), femdom, jukujo, straight-shota and nymphomaniac pig sluts, so it kinda covered all the bases for me. So probably my impression won't be very objective when I say, that this was one of the the episodes of hentai I've seen in years. >dat build-up >dat femdom cowgirl one-handed testicle rubbing/squeezing >dat femdom dual-hand choking >dat Kyouko seiyuu >dat pig slut begging not to stop >dat forceful orgasm holding in. @Bloodios, how is it not hardcore enough? As I see it, intentional or not, there are a lot of freudian undertones of longing, acceptance and rejection present here. The most potent (pun intended) sentiments being rooted in Oedipian subtext. Especially, since I have an incest fetish, I managed to empathize with the protagonist much better. In return - the NTR hit really hard. Really well played by the anime staff adding psychological subtext. Notably - the last scenes: When she started holding in her orgasm, it created a feeling of inferiority, and hopelessness mixed with lust, for the protagonist (and in theory - for the viewer) - of him being completely powerless to make her "accept him" (cum) no matter how frantic he got. Piled on, by the overwhelming despair of Kyouko accepting everyone else BUT him, EVEN THOUGH she's a complete slut. To kill it off - She's rejecting "his love" (holding in her orgasm) on a whim of some "random man" making him feel even more impotent (pun intended), and THEN he watches a video with more "random men" easily achieving, what was completely out of reach for him. Errr....I mean... tittiez lolz >2013 >not psychoanalyzing porn like a sociopath >ISHYGDDT @Omnime I see you have a really fucked-up love/hate relationship with NTR, since you always come to the episode discussions to express disdain and then make a reference to something like Yama Hi No Mi xD. エムの悦びだぞ! I think that by 決められた it was meant "to be achieved" as in: http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/53995/m0u/ "８ スポーツなどで、ある技を成功させる。「スクイズを―・める」 "Even though he managed to cum inside me (literally: even though a creampie was achieved by my son's penis) I held back from cumming for Shin's sake." Literally translating hentai - definitely not the most awkward profession in the world :/ |
OwaruSekaiSep 6, 2013 6:38 AM
| For a mother/son NTR work to really enrage me: - It must be first-person, with a lot emphasis on the MC's internal thought and no one else's to keep people focused on being in the MC's shoes. - It must start with the depiction of a kind, caring, virtuous, and respectful mother to establish a nice image of the mother, making it much more painful to see all that torn apart. - The event leading to the MC's finding out his mother's secret affair must have a gradual pace to build up the thrill. - It must then be revealed that his mother is dating his friend, as this will both blur the MC's perception of age difference and also forces him to realize how fallen his mother is, enraging him. - It must constantly contrasting the mother's past self to her new degraded self via the son's flashbacks to build up frustration. - It must then lead up to the confrontation where the mother first resisted the pleasure but slowly forgoing anything by the end, further crushing the MC's psych. - Sex would be optional here, but the mother must reject the MC both psychologically and physically, completely crushing all the MC's hope and self-esteem for having a chance, even if the third party is around. What's wrong with this show: - It shifted focus too much, and most of the time, it focuses too much on the mother's internal thoughts rather than the son's. I can't feel the son enough, so it's a failure. - It starts with the mother acting all slutty, dashing all kind of expectation I have for the woman. - The affairs starts too quick, too abrupt and the third party is revealed way too soon. In other words, too rushed. - There simply isn't any nice point about mother at all, only her loving sex, which is seriously underwhelming. - There's no confrontation, but rather the son is simply forced into the middle of all it. Not very exciting. - The way the sex went and how the mother rejected the son, it felt as though if the third party wasn't around, there might be a chance for him somehow. Nope, it should completely snuffs out all that hope, the mother should not feel anything from the son. - The video at the end was nice, but it would simply be much better if what happened prior to it went as I suggested. So, no, it was a very disappointing mother & son NTR. That said, this is purely based upon my personal taste, so yeah... |
| The most relevant plot device, in expressing NTR's subleties, lies in creating a sense of helplessness and powerlessness by imposing physical distance on the main characters. In this case it is a abandoned for a more psychological approach. The same feeling is created by actually imposing physical intimacy. The perpetrator even urges physical closeness, while still retaining control of the constituents of said interaction. Regarding the whole situation not being "hardcore enough" - I disagree. In this case the protagonist's love interest isn't some "cute girl", who he dated several years, and has an innocent crush on. It's his biological mother who he had a sexual longing for (probably) his whole life. He is now given an oppurtunity to taste the forbidden fruit, just to be pulled away from this utopia momentarily. By the most cruel means possible - not only is he rejected as a partner, by his love interest - but he's rejected as a son, and even as a person. If he were to be left out, like the protagonist in Yama Hime No Mi, his loss would have been relatively superficial. As his dream, same as before, would remain unreachable. In this case though the protagonist isn't actually detached from reality anymore. His dream is grounded, domesticated and destroyed. Not to say it couldn't have been done much better. Keep the time restraints in mind though, the length of the whole series is only 35~ minutes. What you mostly describe is a "breaking" process and a transformation. Depicting the mother as a virtuous, caring and kind person - does nothing for me. Probably just a personal preference, but your described values only hamper my "attraction". I'd rather have flashbacks with her being passive/aggressive, abusive and constantly leading him on with ambiguous signals. Also a few scenes of him watching her, or better yet, only hearing her through a thin wal have sex - when he was still little, and unable to "understand" his complicated, overwhelming symbiose of lust, jealousy and anxiety. Also, what your mentioned flashbacks would mostly achieve is building a stereotypical "mother figure" disconnected from any sexual longing, damping the whole "earning" build-up. Let's take Yama Hi No Mi as an example: If I remember correctly the protagonist there didn't really feel any attraction until the "NTR-ing" started taking place, but it's different here. If we were to have any flashbacks at all, I'd prefer her being depicted as - a love interest, a mother and a complicated woman, rather than just forcing these unnatural, superficial and overly idealistic character traits down our throat. That just seems excessively cartoonish. It might be a possibility that there was no confrontation NOW, because the situation has been on-going for years and years. It could have been just a short excerpt from their life. I need to read the VN :/ There's virtually no context to establish it's quality or lack of thereof, at least in the anime medium. VNs do this a lot better, but they can allow themselves 30-50 hours of exposition as opposed to these measly 35 minutes. Isn't, basically, Yama hi on mi and this, the only mother/son NTR, anime, and 2 of the 5 total mother/son incest anime ever released? Yeah, unfortunately we don't get to indulge ourselves very often :/ If I were to judge this anime based on NTR merit alone, I would probably find it lacking in several aspects as well, but I chose to judge with an inclination towards it's depiction of a mother/son relationship . In the end it's really hard to objectively assess hentai - because basically it's all about our personal buttons being pushed, genetically ingrained tendencies, environmental stimulants and momentary chemical imbalances. Also the "holding it in" plot device should be a sub-genre of NTR or at least have some sort of tag! Seriously though, it's the first time I've seen this done in any medium. |
OwaruSekaiSep 6, 2013 7:50 AM
| Well, let's just agree to disagree on what you deem to be the cruel outcome. Like I said, I judged it based on my standard, and while it seemed like a strong, powerful approach to you, it wasn't anywhere enough for me. It felt underwhelming to me right after the first minute. In the first place, even when you describe one method being less cartoonish than the other, there isn't in any way any of this would ever feel less cartoonish to me, so I prefer an approach that would works up my emotions more. The mother, to me, felt like someone who loves sex and also loves the perpetrator. Her rejection felt to me as though she can't love the son because she has the perpetrator, even though she was easily aroused by him anyway, until the perpetrator interfered. So what if the perpetrator is no longer there to interfere? Sounds like a hopeful situation, this is why her rejection felt weak to me. She can have sex, but I'd like it better if she was in a situation where she pretends that she felt something from him while in reality felt nothing and the son caught on to it, making it, to me, more cruel to him. Really the moment he engaged in sex, the son might as well have abandon being a son and a human, and all that mattered was that he could satisfy her, and so rejecting him as a sexual partner is much more impacting, which is why I wanted to be delivered differently. Anyway, like you said, I can't enjoy this the same way you do because I felt different about it. |
BloodiosSep 6, 2013 8:58 AM
| Well in the end it's not really a "disagreement" per se :(As I mentioned If I were to judge it purely as an NTR - I would find it lacking. Plus the subjectivity of the whole matter as stated above. If I were to make an objective evaluation, disconnected from any sentiments, like I try to do with most of my non-hentai anime - I would rip it completely apart. I rather was just explaining my perspective and how it pushed my buttons - to provide you with additional room for interpretation. You still haven't commented on the female(or even male?) "holding back" plot device though. Any experience with that in anime/VN's/Doujinshi? Also when you said "it will always feel cartoonish to me" You meant mother/son incest, NTR, or in this case the combination of both? Btw, were you here for the the NTR, for the incest or did you just happen to "come upon" this tale of (not) woe (enough) by accident? |
OwaruSekaiSep 7, 2013 3:52 AM
| Well, I haven't seen anything like it, true, but if it felt this disappointing to me, I rather not need to know whether or not anything similar to it exists. Maybe I just need a more effective work to really pull me into it. I haven't read novel since I don't know Japanese but that might have been a more attractive piece, I don't know. Edit: Well, NTR and hentai in general never felt real to me. So really, I think arguing whether an aspect is cartoonish or not, is rather moot to me. I usually just want a piece that can works up my emotion, doesn't matter how it does it. Anyway, I just sorta watched this out of the blue, wasn't aware that it was NTR. |
BloodiosSep 6, 2013 9:28 AM
| Uh, episode 3 of Kuroinu: Kedakaki Seijo wa Hakudaku ni Somaru is coming out on November 29. Source: http://www.a1c.jp/~majin/product/kuro03.htm |
seveneir said: Man,this mom really not human anymore when she already decided to forget her own son and treat him like a slave.Even she also rape her own son man.But if you follow this story from a original game it just way more brutal than this hentai actually.According from a original game story,Kyouko will become insane after Shin leaves her while she still in pregnant state.Not just Shin leaves her but her own son also leave her too.After couple a year,her own son comes back and he totally surprise to see his mom tortured his sister and more become like a demon.In the end,he killed his sister and also his mom.End of story.. Are you serious ? That is like f*cking depressing as f*ck . F*ck the mom , she's a total sex maniac with a weak ass mind . |
| "However, by that point you'll have been torn into pieces." |
OwaruSekai said: @Omnime I see you have a really fucked-up love/hate relationship with NTR, since you always come to the episode discussions to express disdain and then make a reference to something like Yama Hi No Mi xD. エムの悦びだぞ! I think that by 決められた it was meant "to be achieved" as in: http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/53995/m0u/ "８ スポーツなどで、ある技を成功させる。「スクイズを―・める」 "Even though he managed to cum inside me (literally: even though a creampie was achieved by my son's penis) I held back from cumming for Shin's sake." Literally translating hentai - definitely not the most awkward profession in the world :/ I know what it meant, but I'm not too fluent in English. So I didn't know how to translate it perfectly XD. Japanese to English is pretty hard. English to Japanese, is a lot easier I think. 心にエムだな。喜びはちょっと、でもＮＴＲの見る理由があるんだ。 greed2 said: I get the same feeling in how Omnime has with such tasteless NTR plots, this person is my new best friend. And I was the one that gave Omnime the reference of Yama Hi No Mi. After seeing episode 2, I couldn't eat for days. I was hoping it would end like Public Toilet where a protagonist could prevail in the end. But in end it was exceptionally distasteful. I also hate NTR, and will always hate their Bad Endings for all eternity, but the only reason I have watch it so to use my "cure." My cure always helps, though I still can't ever eat well, and I can at least can continue watching NTR plots to at least see how they end, Public Toilet was truly a jewel to behold. On the side note, does the son have a FREAKING NAME?! I really hate how NTR authors make the victim seem so much like a minor character, in Unsweet Netorare they gave the rapist a name and surname but I don't know Jun's surname. The kid doesn't have a name, and his mom doesn't have a surname at least, so all we can call him is Kyouko's son. Give him a name at least to make him seem to have more significance. Haha, you did. I do that cure too. For me, getting pissed off at NTR than working out is like amazing. Makes you want to kill all those people haha. It also helps me practice kendo too. I probably will continue watching NTR and have it hurt. But, when it comes to kendo or working out, I don't play nice. I put my anger and passion into physical sports. I have NTR anger management problems, so this allows me to funnel my anger through an activity :P |
| Wow, vanilla lovers never cease to amaze me. Either this is your first time watching hentai or you guys are just weirdos. Seriously, i never get why you guys watch NTR, knowing your going to rage and hate it. That's some fucked up shit right there. I mean, i DON'T watch vanilla hentais because i know im gonna get bored and hate it. But it's not the same for you guys,you purposely seek it. Are you emotional masochists? xD On topic: It was meh. The animation kinda recycled a few times,the gangbang at the end was ruined by constantly seeing the son fapping. I KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING, IM TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING, I DON'T NEED TO SEE HIM DOING IT. But i did think Kyouko(mom mode not bitch mode) was pretty hot. She looked better as a redhead in my opinion. I actualy, skipped the pegging scene, my boner did not need that. I was like "Wtf? She's not really going to..." then she spread his butthole,i yelled "OH MY GOD!" and skipped it. Revrant said: For those distressed by the pegging, you should know it didn't happen, Shin raped the everloving fuck out of the son, doggystyle, standing, and shot multiple loads in him. Which made his "comeback" finally fucking his mom all the more crushing, indeed, Shin had metaphorically and literally fucked him into total despair. Not surprising the animators avoided "yaoi" content, it is very typical when these things make the transition to animation. Wait, are you freaking serious? Shin actually RAPES THE SON? Jesus, that sounds awful. It's not enough he's banging his mom?! |
| In hentai, you can see anything... chicks with d*cks, angels,demons,snake girls,unfaithful wives, pregnancies and even crossdressers... the list goes on, pal. You name it. Why you would want to see a heartwarming romance in your porn is beyond me. |
| awesome but ?????? |
| '"Hearts, you say? You Humans are always so quick to speak of such things. As though you carry your hearts in the very palms of your hands. But this eye of mine perceives all. There is nothing that it overlooks. If this eye cannot see a thing, then it does not exist. That is the assumption under which I have always fought. What is this "heart"? If I tear open that chest of yours, will I see it there? If I smash open that skull of yours, will I see it there?4th Espada |
| dam it she just fuck up her son and than it the end she say bye bye dam that is so sad but I wonder what episode 3 will bring lol. |
| '"Hearts, you say? You Humans are always so quick to speak of such things. As though you carry your hearts in the very palms of your hands. But this eye of mine perceives all. There is nothing that it overlooks. If this eye cannot see a thing, then it does not exist. That is the assumption under which I have always fought. What is this "heart"? If I tear open that chest of yours, will I see it there? If I smash open that skull of yours, will I see it there?4th Espada |
| l've seen the CG before but watching it animated was hilarious. We need more funny hentai like this. |
| Well, those viewers freaking out over and hating the outcome can at least console themselves with some real world facts. Yes, it is possible for people to become addicted to sex or even people. And it won't be the first time a wife/mother leaves her family. I remember some non-fiction books about cults that mentioned a husband looking for his wife who became a worshiper of some cult leader. BUT let's look at the show and transport some of the bits into the real world. Looking at the son, he can't possibly have graduated high school already. Probably still in junior high. Shin's probably a senpai. SO... that means... A) The mother committed child abandonment since her son is still a minor. The government would have to intervene. Probably right after the school shows up at the doorstep to find a neglected kid. B) No matter how hardcore Shin is, he can't fight off 20 hard convicts determined to rape him. Which is what happened recently to a child rapist in Brazil. A police report about Shin's activities would get him that bad ending. Since the son is a minor, any sort of sexual activity involving him would be statutory rape. The son should try Plan A and have the government track down the mom first. After showing the video tape to the press and have them launch a shaming crusade against mom and Shin. At least that would get her back and he could try to get back together with her. If Plan A fails due to mom running away again or Shin's interference, go for Plan B I say. Would be fun to see a bad ending with Shin getting ass raped by 20 hard convicts. As for the mom, a couple of years in a female prison might alter her sexual preference. In the end, the son asked "What should I have done?" That reminds me of something I said to a friend about love and relationships. We knew a girl back then who cried after some jerk dumped her for another girl who was dumped within months for yet another girl. I mentioned something about wishing I had that power. My friend accused me of being shallow and wanting to dominate. I said NO. I want to help. And let's face it. You can more easily help someone who admires you or likes you at least. Say in the case of the bad boyfriend, the relationship was mindless and destructive. Sure you can, as a normal friend, ask her to engage in more meaningful and healthy activities not involving alcohol and drugs, but why should she listen to you? Who are you to her? In that case, only someone who holds real estate in her heart can influence her to go for a game of tennis rather than shoot up in an alley. A normal work colleague? Puh-leaze! *rolls eyes* You have to be in a position of power in order to help someone. Say you are a colleage football player and you have an upcoming game. Who would you take strategy advice from? Your coach or the nerds from the Computer Club? The coach, right? Because he has power and authority that comes from years of experience as a player himself and later a teacher to other players. So yeah, I wanted power. Not to dominate, but to help. So what should the son do? He should have tried to occupy real estate in her heart from the start so she didn't have to turn to some jerk like Shin. |
| Actually, now that I come to think of it... Plan B wouldn't work due to the age of consent being 13 in Japan. Damn! So the son's situation is even more f--ked up than I thought. But Plan A would. Due to him being considered a non-adult till the age of 20. So the child abandonment thing would stick. Should go for a media blitz then. Let the national news broadcast pictures of Shin and mom and make it difficult for them to travel around. Bound to be lots of bored people wanting to take Shin out for being a jerk. Out of boredom if not justice. |
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