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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ep 6 (Recovery) 's airing has just ended. We got to see the statistical data of Yuu's drawing at last! For me, Yuu > Kuro, (in mahjong ability hax) because she has no limitation/restriction... XD Yay for more lengthy mahjong match... And because Yuu+muffler is just... well, looks damn good and cool... Cela vs Ako... :) We've got extra guest who watch Ako's match... :3 Cela won with Haneman Tsumo while Ako is dealer... :/ ... So apparently it's true that the manga chapter will be split into two... if that's how it is, we might be able to expect more than 12 episodes... Score so far: (After Chuuken Match) Senriyama : 169200 Achiga : 874800 Kentani : 72200 Koshigaya : 71200 Best Jibou : Yuu (+11200) Best Chuuken : Cela (+19900) Meanwhile on the Commercials the release date for DVD Saki Achiga-hen 1 will be out at 1 June 2012... Arata's match in next episode, I'm sure most of you is excited to see her play... |
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| Episode title - a bit of a give away? :p Aww little Kuro looking after a little Yuu. How sweet. But now it's time for Yuu to do her bit. :) scores at end of second round: senriyama 149300 (+5400) koshigaya 96500 (-9900) kentani 82900 (-6700) achiga 71300 (+11200) now onto the third, and straight out of last place. end of third round: senriyama 169200 (+19900) achiga 87400 (+16100) kentani 72200 (-10700) koshigaya 71200 (-25300) Now it's Arata's turn |
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| Nice to see the big sister covering for the little sister. Yuu's scarf is awesome. |
shizuru1412 said: For me, Yuu > Kuro, (in mahjong ability hax) because she has no limitation/restriction... XD Yay for more lengthy mahjong match... I think I would agree with that, although the wins Yuu gets aren't as extreme as Kuro's |
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kuuderes_shadow said: I think I would agree with that, although the wins Yuu gets aren't as extreme as Kuro's That's because Kuro is collecting doras... But the win is not consistent. What is the meaning of having tons of doras if you can't win? XD Kuro's position as vanguard fail... Yuu should be the one in it... :( And I still don't understand why Yuu is Jibou... lol. kuuderes_shadow said: Episode title - a bit of a give away? :p Aww little Kuro looking after a little Yuu. How sweet. But now it's time for Yuu to do her bit. :) My Matsumi-cest needs is filled... For now. >:D |
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| Just an okay episode. Hopefully Arata can use his sexy voice to win. |
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HawthorneKitty said: Just an okay episode. Hopefully Arata can use his sexy voice to win. what? |
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| XD Probably a typo. But, meh. Kinda disappointing, and the filler... :( Not as good as the previous episode... |
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| Ako is better then expected and her play style is pretty fast seems like only the girl from Senriyama could keep up with her still a shame they didn't show the entire match then again they didn't do that in the manga either. Biggest thing a mis from the first season is that they don't show the entire matches anymore there is still hope for future matches tho. Yuu was underestimated by Senriyama which could have been a very costly mistake to them if they weren't so far in the lead. It could still become a exciting match tho. |
| I bet all Achiga manga was started just because Achiga would confront Kiosumi in finals so they want to describe some background but don't give it too much. So Yuu's ability is to gain "warm" tiles if she want's it. But she could correct her playstyle why Kuro not. Didn't figure which advantage Ako has but still. I'm still hoping too see Shizunos match but not this time either probably. |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: I bet all Achiga manga was started just because Achiga would confront Kiosumi in finals so they want to describe some background but don't give it too much. So Yuu's ability is to gain "warm" tiles if she want's it. But she could correct her playstyle why Kuro not. Didn't figure which advantage Ako has but still. I'm still hoping too see Shizunos match but not this time either probably. The problem with Kuro is that she does not want... And pretty much can't discard any doras... So she got targeted easily because of her limited play-style. Dora is some sort of memento from her mother after all... Want to counter Yuu's ability? Well, if anything, it makes you easier to get Ryuu Iisou (all green sous + hatsu) XD Ako calls tiles often, and she got the tiles she want after so many calls, so I guess she could sort of 'sense the flow' just like preview on ep 5 for ep 6 suggested... Achiga manga/anime happens so the viewer know what happened on side a... |
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| Ako is the best girl, best player, has the best voice, and im totally ok with this. Im still sad that the anime could only be 12 episodes. This could've been a nice 2 cour series if they had extended the mahjong matches from the manga, but instead we get a 1:1 adaptation....one of the few instances where I hate the fact that there is not enough filler. |
| Another great ep :D I love thos ridiculous effects on their moves, when they do something great in the matches or like when Arata put her foot down at the end there XD |
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| As expected from their best player. Let's go Arata, show 'em how it's done. |
| Yosh, a comeback from Achiga gang. And next time wrapping up the round |
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| Ako vs Nodoka would be an interesting match to look forward. "This tile isn't warm at all," MY GOD, I want to give he a hug >__< |
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Siva said: Ako vs Nodoka would be an interesting match to look forward. "This tile isn't warm at all," MY GOD, I want to give he a hug >__< Even better, its going to be Ako vs Hisa if achiga reaches the finals...my god that match will be amazing |
game8910 said: Ako is the best girl, best player, has the best voice, and im totally ok with this. Im still sad that the anime could only be 12 episodes. This could've been a nice 2 cour series if they had extended the mahjong matches from the manga, but instead we get a 1:1 adaptation....one of the few instances where I hate the fact that there is not enough filler. It's not really... 1:1 adaptation, though... Ch 6 is being split into two.... but then again, the chapter is pretty lengthy... |
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| Come on Arata. Smoke those Senriyama girls! And good job! Yuu and Ako! |
Nachtwandler_21 said: I bet all Achiga manga was started just because Achiga would confront Kiosumi in finals so they want to describe some background but don't give it too much. So Yuu's ability is to gain "warm" tiles if she want's it. But she could correct her playstyle why Kuro not. Didn't figure which advantage Ako has but still. I'm still hoping too see Shizunos match but not this time either probably. Yes it's most probably the reason for this spinoff. The final will feature two school from each side: the two that will score the highest in the semi-final from both side A and side B (Kiyosumi being on side B, while Achiga is on side A, hence the name of the serie). The school that will make it to the final are very easy to guess since they are the ones getting the most attention: Kiyosumi, Shiraitodai, Achiga, School that stopped Ryuumonbuchi in the nationnal last year that I always forget it's name. Yuu's ability is to be able to take in a vast majority of tile with red. It allow her to make hand composed of the three kind of tiles + red dragon tile since she can use more than half of all the tiles to create her hand. On the opposite with her ability she can expect to rarely get any tile she could not use. Like Senriyama said... that's an ability you can't do anything against since the number of possible tile she could be waiting for is large so even if you went and actually computed the odds, if there's 20 possible wait with chance ranging from 1-10%, trying to read her hand would be relying on luck. She is also able to adapt very easely to the flow because of that. Kuro wait for dora tiles and rely on them so basically it's very easy to know what kind of hand she is making assuming half of it will be composed of doras. You can easely know the range of the tile she is waiting ie, if there's only one dora indicator that makes the 8 pin a dora, you can go as follow: Depending on how you are seated: If Kuro is right of you (meaning she can chi your discard) - 6-7-8-9 pin are dangerous because of the dora indicator - 3-4-5-6-7 pin are dangerous because of the possible 5 pin dora tile. From this we assume that the 6-7 pin are the most dangerous tiles you can discard. - 3-4-5-6-7 man and 3-4-5-6-7 sou are dangerous as well for the same reason as the pin. -Dragon tiles are dangerous Leaving 1-2pin, 1-2-8-9 man and sou and the winds as being tile you can discard with ease of mind (Not that she couldn't call them, it's just not likely giving her play). That seem decent up until we analyze what happen if Kuro is not on your right. In that case - 5-8 pin are dangerous - 5 man is dangerous - 5 sou is dangerous - dragons tiles are dangerous. That gives you 1-2-3-4-6-7-9 pin, 1-2-3-4-6-7-8-9 sou and man and the wind tiles 'safe' (as in they could be a wait but is not a dangerous one), that's like 90% of the possible tiles. Kuro can be dangerous when she can call chi on your tiles, if she can't (the case of two others players on the table), she's ridiculously predictable. Ako doesn't have an ability, she's just a good digital player that aim for tanyo hands since they are fast, require little to none preparation and can be build up from stealing other's discard. A Tanyo is a hand that is composed of no terminals (1 and 9 of each kind) and honor tiles (winds and dragons) and is arguably the fastest and easiest hand to pull off but it generally is a low point hand. Oh and for Ako vs Nodoka it would result in Nodoka statistically win more game than Ako would they play an infinite ammount of game. Nodoka's playstile is infinitely better than Ako but since they are both digital kind of player, Ako might win all the hands just as Nodoka might win them all. |
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| Yuu did well, but Ako was straight breasting that match hope they can keep it up and the tomboy didnt look that back in maiden mode lol. |
An awesome episode. A great comeback by Yuu and Ako. Looking forward to next match. |
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| Ako was good, but it seems Senriyama still gained more points. I wonder how Achiga is going to win this, since there is a rather large point difference. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Depending on how you are seated: If Kuro is right of you (meaning she can chi your discard) - 6-7-8-9 pin are dangerous because of the dora indicator - 3-4-5-6-7 pin are dangerous because of the possible 5 pin dora tile. From this we assume that the 6-7 pin are the most dangerous tiles you can discard. - 3-4-5-6-7 man and 3-4-5-6-7 sou are dangerous as well for the same reason as the pin. -Dragon tiles are dangerous Leaving 1-2pin, 1-2-8-9 man and sou and the winds as being tile you can discard with ease of mind (Not that she couldn't call them, it's just not likely giving her play). That seem decent up until we analyze what happen if Kuro is not on your right. In that case - 5-8 pin are dangerous - 5 man is dangerous - 5 sou is dangerous - dragons tiles are dangerous. That gives you 1-2-3-4-6-7-9 pin, 1-2-3-4-6-7-8-9 sou and man and the wind tiles 'safe' (as in they could be a wait but is not a dangerous one), that's like 90% of the possible tiles. Kuro can be dangerous when she can call chi on your tiles, if she can't (the case of two others players on the table), she's ridiculously predictable. Ako doesn't have an ability, she's just a good digital player that aim for tanyo hands since they are fast, require little to none preparation and can be build up from stealing other's discard. A Tanyo is a hand that is composed of no terminals (1 and 9 of each kind) and honor tiles (winds and dragons) and is arguably the fastest and easiest hand to pull off but it generally is a low point hand. Oh and for Ako vs Nodoka it would result in Nodoka statistically win more game than Ako would they play an infinite ammount of game. Nodoka's playstile is infinitely better than Ako but since they are both digital kind of player, Ako might win all the hands just as Nodoka might win them all. The problem with Kuro is that... She never calls... at least up until the latest manga chapter. Why? Because if someone actually kan and opened kan doras She will be royally screwed. She can't drop a dora, so if the dora indicator added... Oh god. Besides, she prefers closed hand... She could call on the other suit (not the pin, cos of the 2 red 5), and since no one will discard dora (She get it all) She didn't really need to pon... So, basically: 1 she get the doras: Assuming she could get 4 max (only 1 dora indicator is opened), so she get... 4/14 of her hands already didn't count the red doras, that is... 4. so her hand (all dora gathered, just 1 dora indicator flipped) is 8 tiles... So it will be very dangerous for her to call, since she doesn't (want) to discard dora... She didn't even riichi, well, she could, but guess what the ura-dora is... XD Ako is going to fight vs Hisa, though. And there's a Nelly waiting (I assume she's Chuuken) :3 What I think Achiga's position should be: Senpou: Yuu (...) Jibou: Arata (Eh, but Arata looked like a logical/digital player, so I don't have problem with her on Fukushou) Chuuken: Kuro. Her being a Senpou is one fatal mistake. :( Fukushou: Ako. (... So we all get Nodoka vs Ako...) Taishou: Don't really care, but probably Shizuno. Kuro is good candidate too, because of Saki's... kan. Wait, maybe not. So just Shizuno then. |
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MasterSpark11 said: Ako was good, but it seems Senriyama still gained more points. I wonder how Achiga is going to win this, since there is a rather large point difference. They didn't have to finish first / be no 1, two top schools will advance to the semifinals... So they just have to finish... second, at least. |
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| ako plays the same playstyle as nodoka.. IMO well, IMO, the play is different from the original saki,, tha battle has less "impact", not like the original saki which "the mahjong playin" and the battle scene of action anime genre is almost no difference. I hope the next fight is more exciting and fun like the original saki :lol: |
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| Achiga seriously need more training and by more, train until they drop. Luckily enough for them, two schools goes through or their chances of meeting Nodoka will have to wait for next year. |
| Ako taking points like a boss !:3 |
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-Quasar said: Achiga seriously need more training and by more, train until they drop. Luckily enough for them, two schools goes through or their chances of meeting Nodoka will have to wait for next year. Actually it's not sure they will be able to next years for some reason: -Nodoka's father is planning to move out of the city they live in, Nodoka managed to make him consider them staying there if she was able to win the national. If she does not then she'll leave. -Hisa from Kiyosumi and Yuu from Achiga are both third years and will graduate, making a hole in their team that might not be filled next year (And which will only open further since the year after, the now second years will also graduate). It's safe to say that for both Kiyosumi and Achiga, this is THE time to do what they want as they might not be able to next year. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Actually it's not sure they will be able to next years for some reason: -Nodoka's father is planning to move out of the city they live in, Nodoka managed to make him consider them staying there if she was able to win the national. If she does not then she'll leave. -Hisa from Kiyosumi and Yuu from Achiga are both third years and will graduate, making a hole in their team that might not be filled next year (And which will only open further since the year after, the now second years will also graduate). It's safe to say that for both Kiyosumi and Achiga, this is THE time to do what they want as they might not be able to next year. Ah, Nodoka's dad and changing cities... =,= Is the requirement from her dad to stay is Nodoka win the National's tournament or individuals too? Because individuals looks so bleak to Nodoka... ; . ; |
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shizuru1412 said: Maddo_scientisto said: Actually it's not sure they will be able to next years for some reason: -Nodoka's father is planning to move out of the city they live in, Nodoka managed to make him consider them staying there if she was able to win the national. If she does not then she'll leave. -Hisa from Kiyosumi and Yuu from Achiga are both third years and will graduate, making a hole in their team that might not be filled next year (And which will only open further since the year after, the now second years will also graduate). It's safe to say that for both Kiyosumi and Achiga, this is THE time to do what they want as they might not be able to next year. Ah, Nodoka's dad and changing cities... =,= Is the requirement from her dad to stay is Nodoka win the National's tournament or individuals too? Because individuals looks so bleak to Nodoka... ; . ; To be able to participate in the national individual tournament you must have won in the prefectural preliminary. It's not another tournament you can just sign up for. To participate in the individual national level it works the same as the team tournament. Kiyosumi and Achiga did not participate in the individual tournament in the preliminary and thus will not be able to participate in the national's. The last part of the first season of Saki with the individual tournament was filler and if I remember properly, nobody from Kiyosumi managed to win it anyway (Simply so it wouldn't end up contradicting the manga). So seeing the national individual tournament is possible, but nobody from Achiga and Kiyosumi will be able to participate, which mean that Teru vs Saki in the individual is impossible as well as any other pairing you wished to see. Also both Kiyosumi and Achiga wish to play and win as a team, they aren't interested in fame or anything they could gain from the individual tournament, they just want to play together with their friend and reach the tops at their sides. Nodoka's dad think that mahjong is only the result of luck and look down on people that get a lot of attention from it because they have luck on their side while hardworking people might not get half their fame and money by doing something more 'respectable'. In a sense I agree with his mentality, there's isn't really a good and bad side to that problem. He only want to see his daughter having a good life from the result of her own effort rather than from what he beleive to be luck while Nodoka is determined to show him that if she is good it's exactly because of that kind of effort and that this is the path she chosed. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Kiyosumi and Achiga did not participate in the individual tournament in the preliminary and thus will not be able to participate in the national's. The last part of the first season of Saki with the individual tournament was filler and if I remember properly, nobody from Kiyosumi managed to win it anyway (Simply so it wouldn't end up contradicting the manga). Saki and Nodoka were two of the three people from Nagano to make it into the individuals nationals in the Saki anime. |
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| Achiga... Well, mostly because they didn't think Nodoka will enter individuals (Or so Shizuno stated, because it's funny since Nodoka actually won Individual Tourney at Middle-High, yet she's very sure that Nodoka enters Team... Which is fine since Kiyosumi advances after all). Kuro's reason not doing individual is because the lack of 'together'-ness or something... |
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kuuderes_shadow said: Maddo_scientisto said: Kiyosumi and Achiga did not participate in the individual tournament in the preliminary and thus will not be able to participate in the national's. The last part of the first season of Saki with the individual tournament was filler and if I remember properly, nobody from Kiyosumi managed to win it anyway (Simply so it wouldn't end up contradicting the manga). Saki and Nodoka were two of the three people from Nagano to make it into the individuals nationals in the Saki anime. In best case we'll get filler about it then since they didn't enter individual premilinary at all in the manga. |
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shizuru1412 said: Oh, I see. I must have missed that.MasterSpark11 said: Ako was good, but it seems Senriyama still gained more points. I wonder how Achiga is going to win this, since there is a rather large point difference. They didn't have to finish first / be no 1, two top schools will advance to the semifinals... So they just have to finish... second, at least. Well, in any case, Achiga needs to start doing better, if they want to fight Kiyosumi. There is Shiratodai, and probably some other strong teams, which they have to face before they can play against Kiyosumi. |
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zeroryoko1974 said: Is Sera a trap? Not really. She just doesn't like frilly girly outfit such as her uniform. Nobody was said to have mistaken her for a guy so even in boy clothes she must still look like a girl (Like 99% of the girl wearing guy clothes) but it's hard to say for us since anime character can change from looking like a guy or a girl simply with clothes and a haircut. |
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| So while Senriyama figured out Yuu's playstyle, they didn't quite read her "power". While her hands won't be as strong as Kuro's (who's hand usually consist of at least 5+ doras), Her powers are so much harder to counter as there are so many red tiles in Mahjong. Senriyama did manage to steal several hands from her while she's confused/panicked though. however, it didn't stop Yuu from coming out on top. Now... 3rd game... Holy crap Ako held her own against Sera(who's possibly the 2nd strongest girl in Senriyama....) while racking in a lot of points from the other 2 school... Ako go for very quick hands, while Sera who play big hands... And it seems that Sera came out on top. As expected of former Senriyama Ace. God... If knows Sera didn't Tsumo off her first dealer hand, from the way she's playing, she could actually hold on to the lead by at least 2~4 turns, and that'll easily translate to 10k... Putting Achiga in a safe zone for Arata and Shizuno. So... Achiga Girl's style... Kuro = Dora Yuu = Red tiles Ako = Nodoka version v0.8 (Nodoka + Etopen = 2.0) Next episode... Bowling girl Arata... I wonder if she'll play her tiles as violently as Takei Hisa. Looking at the ending, she might actually throw her tiles throwing a bowling ball during a winning hand. |
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| Hmm, so Yuu is able to attract "warm" tiles with the color red to herself. That makes her more versatile than her younger sister, but her winning hands are also less dangerous. That was quite a fight for Yuu, but Onee-chan has managed to pave the way for their recovery from last place with a great performance. Ako, as the best player of the team, manages to pull them up from last place to second. At the same time holding her ground against an opponent who was a former ace. As the team's other strong player, I'd want to see what kind of skills/style Arata can bring to the table. |
game8910 said: Ako is the best girl, best player, has the best voice, and im totally ok with this. Im still sad that the anime could only be 12 episodes. This could've been a nice 2 cour series if they had extended the mahjong matches from the manga, but instead we get a 1:1 adaptation....one of the few instances where I hate the fact that there is not enough filler. I think its 15 not 12 |
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kiradesu said: game8910 said: Ako is the best girl, best player, has the best voice, and im totally ok with this. Im still sad that the anime could only be 12 episodes. This could've been a nice 2 cour series if they had extended the mahjong matches from the manga, but instead we get a 1:1 adaptation....one of the few instances where I hate the fact that there is not enough filler. I think its 15 not 12 It was originally intended to be 12. The additional episodes were announced after game8910 made that post. |
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kuuderes_shadow said: kiradesu said: game8910 said: Ako is the best girl, best player, has the best voice, and im totally ok with this. Im still sad that the anime could only be 12 episodes. This could've been a nice 2 cour series if they had extended the mahjong matches from the manga, but instead we get a 1:1 adaptation....one of the few instances where I hate the fact that there is not enough filler. I think its 15 not 12 It was originally intended to be 12. The additional episodes were announced after game8910 made that post. Oh i guess you're right, my bad. but thank god they extended it to 15 |
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