Macross Frontier Episode 21 Discussion

gogoulo said:
i knew ranka was going to leave.....and finally we can have some alto x sheryl.^_^

angel999 said:

GOOD BYE RANKA LEE---->TRAITOR! No offense but since Vajra killed Michael and Ranka Lee protected a Vajra (yes even that Vajra was a friend of hers) instead of letting Alto kill it then she is a TRAITOR! Along with her Brother, who of course is restrained by Grace (Grace you ***** ass of a sh** planned everything down with possible minimal interference from outside "Die Grace Die").

pendragon said:


i love you.




and ranka, go and never come back
die, preferably, with grace and leon and ur vajra pal
(i can't bear to kill Brera off cuz he's to good looking to die)

(is michel really dead? cuz they didnt have a funeral for him like that other valkyrie guy in the begininning, and how come everyone, exept Klan, acted like nothing happend? )

alto x sheryl forever. god bless your marriage and amen.


boy this series got me worked up

Kayro said:
So much Ranka hate in this thread =P

I really hated the fact that she left, but it was rather predictable, since she didn't want any more killing, not to mention she is somehow related to the Vajra.
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Sephor said:

/Agreed

Dont think this is enough for me to hate ranka, tho i do dislike brera quite a bit now. I just think ranka is confused/naive. Right now too soon for me to say who alto will end up with if he does end up with one....Just....im pretty shure Sheryl is gonna die no matter what tho, i just cant see a good ending with her staying alive dunno why...

Tekky99 said:
If everyone else will become hardcore Ranka haters

Then I shall be the sole Ranka lover.
Her choice was very Eureka Seven like... and I really hated it when Alto said "All vajra are evil!!!"

I pose this question then to Alto, have you met every single vajra? how do you know that every vajra wants to kill humans.

Ranka-san 4ever!!! *sniff*

As for Sheryl... she's still a stuck up bitch that needs to have a microphone shoved down her throat. Yes, that'd make me VERY happy.

*prepares for flames*

Stjeppe said:
Well okay, the episode raised multiple thoughts

happy --- lots of battles, angry Klan
wierd --- what's Luca acting all tough?
unhappy --- Leon, Grace (not that much of her in the episode, thank god)
mixed --- Ranka, well i guess she didn't know any other way to move on, i'm sure we'll find out more details on her past and on her being the 'little queen', Brera well he ain't Ranka's bitch, all he does is in accordance to Grace's orders.

Anyways about the coupling theories i fear it's gonna end up with Alto wanting to find Ranka because he likes/loves her, who knows it'll all become clear soon.
About Sheryl, well i hope she gets some more air time since there ain't much happening between her end Alto, compared to what's happening between Alto and Ranka.

another great episode, can't wait for the next

angel999 said:


All I got to say to this is....are you sure you can even endure the rock barrage she would get from the crowd. Buddy NO ONE SUPPORTS someone who is friends with Vajra and before you convince anyone in this world of Macross Frontier...you would get shot along with Ranka and her Vajra......

.......Still want to join with Ranka???? It's like supporting Nazis or Neo-Nazis now......The Neo-Nazis never killed any Jews....of course not they are new people who got born but does not make them spic span clean and people will not forget about the Nazis, so I doubt people will accept any of the BS Vajra being friendly.

There this is the first flame!

wakka9ca said:


sorry but I think you are falling for Leon's little trick...which is to promote hate between humans and Vajra. Calling Ranka "traitor" is exactly the extremist and nationalist reaction we want to avoid.

First of all, can you tell me why Vajras are attacking Frontier? No.
So after all we know, humans may have the one who started it, by doing something that angered the Vajra (without knowing it of course, that's what I call human stupidity). So what's all that hate and propaganda against Vajras? After all, didn't the humans wipe out Vajras before like insects?

Yes, you can't communicate with the Vajra...are you sure? But isn't that because the government is doing some secret research and not revealing to the public (and the audience) the secret of the Vajra? From the preview, we can predict that experiments on Vajra were done. So in other words, the humans brought the disaster on themselves.

I think Grace and Leon's reaction to the casualties as if it was planned is the most despicable. Ranka is just tired of being used and chose her own path. After all, did you notice that each time a lot of Vajra died, Ranka was in deep pain and sadness.

So please calm down and stop blaming Ranka and the Vajra.

I just don't see ANY reason why I should particularily hate the Vajra YET.

Sure, Michael died. But war is war. People die. Soldiers as well as civilians. And even though humans may look like victims being slaughtered, Vajra may have a good reason of doing what they are doing. Killing is wrong but instinct and survival cannot be blamed. Ai-kun = neo-nazi, vajra = nazi???? that is so out of context. As far as we know, Vajra soldiers are like animals and fight with instinct of survival. How can you compare that to humans who purposely exterminate other of their kind????

Sorry, but the way you speak is very offensive and make you look like some supporter of Leon wanting to eradicate/exterminate the Vajra at all cost (which make you no better than them if not worse (in case the Vajra had some reason)).

pamechan said:
so much hate here.., angel999 if you think people who support vajra and ranka are "traidors" like you say ranka is.... well... then Im a traidor too! and I don't care at all.

Tekky99: I support you and Ranka!!

I thik Ranka just do what she needed to do, and I know sometimes she's a little anoying with the "no more deaths" an all that crap. but you people don't even know who are the bad ones here.
Vajra are just like the Zentraedis were at first: hostil with humans... but do you even have though why?
why are they attacking frontier?
is that their nature?
then, why the little ai-kun didn't even atack alto? (and was picking the airplane like the cutie he is >.<)
why Ranka's song stop them?
WHY GRACE CALLED RANKA THE LITTLE QUEEN??!!!
(god, this is too much to thing for me xD)

maybe... jus maybe!... Ranka is the queen of the vajras OR was altered genetically when child to have a special voice freccuence to call them....
And the vajras are just atacking them because:
-maybe frontier is too close to their home and are protecting it, then humans kill some and the others got angry and so...
-or maybe because they are atracted by Ranka song
- or maybe because they want ranka back?

At the end if Ranka song was affecting them it was the fault of Leon and Grace to manipulate her to sing even when she knew she wasn't happy being used to destroy life, so she ran away to stop the masacre.

So even if I'm wrong, I don't care, I believe in her, and I think Alto is gonna get her back!.

Respect to Brera.... I think he just want her to be happy, even if he has to listen to Grace. o.O but I don't know what are his true intentions so I don't know if he's good, bad, just confused or wathever xD

wakka9ca said:


sorry but I think you are falling for Leon's little trick...which is to promote hate between humans and Vajra. Calling Ranka "traitor" is exactly the extremist and nationalist reaction we want to avoid.

First of all, can you tell me why Vajras are attacking Frontier? No.
So after all we know, humans may have the one who started it, by doing something that angered the Vajra (without knowing it of course, that's what I call human stupidity). So what's all that hate and propaganda against Vajras? After all, didn't the humans wipe out Vajras before like insects?

Yes, you can't communicate with the Vajra...are you sure? But isn't that because the government is doing some secret research and not revealing to the public (and the audience) the secret of the Vajra? From the preview, we can predict that experiments on Vajra were done. So in other words, the humans brought the disaster on themselves.

I think Grace and Leon's reaction to the casualties as if it was planned is the most despicable. Ranka is just tired of being used and chose her own path. After all, did you notice that each time a lot of Vajra died, Ranka was in deep pain and sadness.

So please calm down and stop blaming Ranka and the Vajra.

I just don't see ANY reason why I should particularily hate the Vajra YET.

Sure, Michael died. But war is war. People die. Soldiers as well as civilians. And even though humans may look like victims being slaughtered, Vajra may have a good reason of doing what they are doing. Killing is wrong but instinct and survival cannot be blamed. Ai-kun = neo-nazi, vajra = nazi???? that is so out of context. As far as we know, Vajra soldiers are like animals and fight with instinct of survival. How can you compare that to humans who purposely exterminate other of their kind????

Sorry, but the way you speak is very offensive and make you look like some supporter of Leon wanting to eradicate/exterminate the Vajra at all cost (which make you no better than them if not worse (in case the Vajra had some reason)).

M_A said:
Ranka is the most annoying and childish character. She wants to bring that stupid bug to his friends? What is she, 4? What a stupid thing to do, i hope she dies.

And yeah, Brera is an awful character. >_>

WHo cares why the Vajra are attacking the frontier, there is rarely a right or wrong in warfare, the winner is right at the end, no matter the actual cisrcumstances of the conflict. I want Ranka and all the Vajra dead, along with some other main characters.

I actually like Leon since he isnt a compolete dumbass compared to half of the people in the anime.

angel999 said:

Nice comment on Leon...SO YOU THINK HE MIGHT DOUBLECROSS GRACE?

M_A said:
ranka is irredeemable for me. even if she like...strips down naked and goes on an ultra violent vajra hunting spree, ill still hate her. =]

leoneri said:
I don't know why, but I have a bad feeling that this series will have a so-so end ... and lots of fans will feel tricked unless the maker think of something to fix the love complex of the series and put a good end for the series. But I think this is just typical Macross series ... it's getting bored.

I think it is true that Alto will chase to look for Ranka, together with Luca and Klan. But Ranka chose to stay with Vajra since she is their queen. Sheryl probably will stay and finally dies unless there is cure for her (which is little chance that it will be available).

Then in the end, Alto ends up back playing on stage and good-bye to SMS. Since he does not have any reason anymore to fight.

But I hope my prediction is wrong and there will be a spectacular end with no hanging.

seita said:
This was a disappointing episode for me as well, mainly because of how Ranka acted. I personally felt betrayed during the whole scene with Alto at the monument(?). Ranka is pretty much just like every other annoying character out there that tends to do the wrong things at all the wrong times, because of their ideals.

I feel like, how everyone hates Ranka at the moment, we'll all be bitten up the ass. This is mainly due to the fact that in many, and maybe even most cases,the person we hate most will do something to redeem themselves so well later on that we can't help but feel for them.

Anyway, looking forward to 22.

Bakayaro said:


Even so, make this happen. Please?



...that's far too depressingly close to likely being true to be funny.

Oh, also, think you could chill on the caps key Angel? One can only take so much yelling. Don't your throat hurt?

angel999 said:
-So basically Ranka's excuse is "It's not this one that killed Michael" COME ON!!!! Just because this one did not do it does not mean it is not stained and innocent. Just like all of US. Think about it even though we all come from different countries we all had people of the past of those countries kill other people. Therefore we are stained with their kills that they committed for they were part of the same country as us.

Otakuman said:


By your logic, if a Japanese or German person walked up to you, you should kill them for the past actions of their countries (WW2). Sorry but that's pretty fucking stupid. Perhaps you're very young.

The episode was dull and rather predictable. Ranka, you had your chance to shine and have now truly bored me to DEATH. Please do die.

angel999 said:
My thinking is EXTREMELY HARD TO GRASP BUT ONCE DONE IT IS A TREASURE SHINING IN THE DARK. The reason is that I use Chaos Theorem. At the very least there is heavy heavy use of randomness.

Hope it clears some things for you.

hirahira said:
I actually liked Ranka better after this episode. But it looks like it will definitely be a AltoxSheryl ending now D:

Anyien said:
Why?

Do you really think Alto, with the personality he have, will let Ranka go just like that? He will chase her even if he have to do it alone

And it´s hard to to have a ending with a character who will soon die....

Zarggg said:
For the sake of humanity, I really, really hope that angel999 is a troll. Invoking Godwin's Law only 19 posts in? This is _anime_, people! Fiction! Just enjoy the story. :p

And for the record (on the off chance you're not a troll, and just a very insensitive and offensive person), typing an entire sentence in all captial letters 1is considered yelling/shouting. It doesn't matter whether you think you are or not, that is the accepted etiquette for this medium. A single word or two in a sentence can be seen as emphasis, but not an entire sentence.