Seikimatsu Occult Gakuin Episode 13 Discussion

Oldy said:
the series got inconsistent after the curry girl turned into a witch

Velcor said:
If Bunmei's meeting with his younger self was the key to the Space Rift then why was he there the first time?
For Bunmei to go to the past there had to be another original reason, not considering the invasion (or Nostradamus' Key).
Was there a reason for him to go to the past in the first place?
No.
Then it becomes a paradox.

Baqa said:
What an awful ending. So the guy couldn't have just stayed in her office for two days and avoid meeting himself? Or they could've just sent him back to his time the moment they realized meeting himself was the key. But no, somehow being at the closing cermony or him meeting his mother is more important than the fate of the world.... ugh..

hendrickx said:
The first time I watched this - I was like many other commenters and found the series to have many plotholes, and an inconsistent flow of events. After watching it a second time almost 2 years later, with only a remembrance of each character's role and the broad plot, I still can't say that there are no glaring problems with the series as a whole - but I found myself noticing a lot more of the elements that tie together many of the disconnected episodic parts of the series.

For example, knowing who Nakagawa Mikaze really is - you'll start to notice how a number of times she suddenly appears to invite Fumiaki to do something whenever Maya is involved in an event that Mikaze has instigated. You will also notice how many of the episodic events never target Maya directly, but seemingly through happenstance and her friends - I assume this has something to do with the book of defensive charms that Maya caries, and the fact that Mikaze cannot attack her directly.

However, needing to watch a series more than once to be able to retrofit explanations for certain events and what initially look to be plotholes is still a sign that this series could have been much better than it was. A cast of supporting characters that you never really develop interest in, and seem to be cut and paste from the pool of generic anime personalities, the Akari arc which was a clear attempt at somewhat bland character development for Maya (knowing Maya's father is alive, this arc suddenly became obvious as to how it wasn't a 'mistake' in summoning), and the rapid and inconsistent switches between a seemingly normal school setting, and then the full-on 'this school is heavily steeped in classes on the occult' for plot advancing purposes.

Surprisingly, I've also read a lot of comments on how the fact that Fumiaki time travels, and him meeting himself and causing a dimensional rift is one of the most unbelievable plot points of the series. Whereas I find it to be somewhat believable. The reference to the Ramachandran-Fischer Conjecture and how there can be limited amount of information processed in a given space causing a dimensional rift can kind of be argued for - in a fictional setting like this of course. Just like how molecules diffuse to reduce their concentration, you can kind of think of how the immense amount of information created by meeting your past/future self too much information for that particular point in space and time, it bleeds through to other dimensions to diffuse and stabilize the amount of information in that original point of space/time. As for the time travel paradox itself as a plot-hole, that's what it is - a paradox. It's supposed to be something that shouldn't work - but does, that's why it's a paradox.

I think that Itou Tomohiko simply wanted an overly complicated plot that when it came to condensing it into each seemingly episodic arc, the rest of the staff failed to keep up with him and did what they could to try and keep things working together. This is a series that could have been so much more, but really just screams average. However, if you are the kind of person like me who enjoys sitting down and piecing things together through a myriad of half-clues and implied foreshadowing, then this series is still quite an enjoyable watch.

Also - I'm pro FumiakixMaya at the end :D

krownklown said:
I always have to face palm myself when I read the comments on this website.

First of all its a work of fiction.

Second of all no one, at least to our knowledge has ever actually time traveled so everything is theoretical.

Third, they had supernatural creatures, witches, ghosts, and implied Heaven or an afterlife exists, and you are bitching about some unrealistic time paradox.

Also yes the ending all but spells out that they do marry. From what I gather the family name is what appears on the house, and in the ending its Uchida, Bunmei's name. Maya living with him would imply she married into his family. Otherwise if she had just adopted him the name would have been Kumashiro. Also Maya was 17 in the present, with Bunmei looking older than ten. So at most the age difference is 7 years, but probably closer to five. So its honestly not that bad.

The only thing I was wondering about was the fact the house they lived in seemed pretty small, when Maya's family was clearly mega rich. I actually figured they would move back into the house shown in ep 10 , after she had it rebuilt.

I thought it was great show, nice art style, characters with development and a good range of fairly unique characters versus your traditional handful of stick characters. The story had a nice mix of comedy, horror, sci fi, and more.

Honestly people need to learn the ability to put something down when they don't like. Im tired of going on boards of shows that I watch to the end because I like them, and seeing some idiot bxtch and moan about how awful a show it was, and then say something as ignorant like "I must complete this show, to keep my completion percentage at maximum". Please grow brain, that is all.