Why is Tengen so underrated?

Mar 15, 2024 4:22 AM

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he is officially the 2nd weakest Hashira and he definitely isn't underrated, he is one of the most popular hashira alongside Shinobu, Giyu and Rengoku.

Mar 15, 2024 4:27 AM

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He definetly is not one of the strongest Hashiras (idk the rankings), but he sure is one of the most beloved and the most flamboyant.

Mar 15, 2024 4:29 AM

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He said it himself. He's one of the weakest Hashira because he's talentless, kinda like Genya.

Mar 15, 2024 4:29 AM

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tengen admits he is weaker than rengoku though

Mar 15, 2024 4:50 AM

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Seems like one of those problems, that can be fixed by simply paying attention while watching.

Mar 15, 2024 4:57 AM

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Tengen isn’t “underrated”, many people love him. When it comes to his strength in fight, he was shown fighting Gyutaro which was probably the best match for him, but if we saw him against Gyokko for example, I’m afraid he wouldn’t do too good since Gyokko had entirely different abilities. Muichiro managed to defeat Gyokko thanks to the demon slayer mark and his form Obscuring Clouds which is great for confusing opponents and he couldn’t see the attack coming, but I don’t think Tengen would defeat him so easily. He is indeed very strong, but not as strong as others

Mar 15, 2024 4:58 AM

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My current ranking of the Hashira by strength is:
1. Gyomei
2. Giyu
3. Sanemi
4. Rengoku
5. Tokito
6. Obanai
7. Mitsuri
8. Tengen
9. Shinobu
This is made with my anime knowledge. Idk what happens in the manga after Swordsmith Village and To The Hashira Training movie

Mar 15, 2024 5:01 AM

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While Tengen himself is really impressive and capable of doing superhuman feats, the other hashiras basically have monstrous speed and strength themselves that even with all that amazing feats he has, he is unfortunately still on the weaker side of hashiras.

(っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥

Mar 15, 2024 5:29 AM

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Tengen is literally the coolest Hashira in Demon Slayer. People neither believe how powerful he is, nor believe how cool he is.

Mar 15, 2024 6:01 AM

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maybe the only thing cool about him is he has three 🐱 at his disposal. otherwise, i don’t think he’s all that (from what i’ve seen). M

Mar 15, 2024 6:05 AM

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Ripperdoc said:
He definetly is not one of the strongest Hashiras (idk the rankings), but he sure is one of the most beloved and the most flamboyant.

hell nah, I have read the manga

Mar 15, 2024 6:19 AM

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MaxAkumax said:
My current ranking of the Hashira by strength is:
1. Gyomei
2. Giyu
3. Sanemi
4. Rengoku
5. Tokito
6. Obanai
7. Mitsuri
8. Tengen
9. Shinobu
This is made with my anime knowledge. Idk what happens in the manga after Swordsmith Village and To The Hashira Training movie

Not to spoil but your list will change once you watch the next arc after hashira training

Mar 15, 2024 6:20 AM

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He’s not underrated in the slightest

Mar 15, 2024 7:09 AM

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LuFFY-Itachi said:

Ripperdoc said:
He definetly is not one of the strongest Hashiras (idk the rankings), but he sure is one of the most beloved and the most flamboyant.

hell nah, I have read the manga

Thx for the substantive response.

Mar 15, 2024 8:07 AM

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he is officially the 2nd weakest Hashira and he definitely isn't underrated, he is one of the most popular hashira alongside Shinobu, Giyu and Rengoku.

@PinkFloyd007 by underrated I mean in terms of strength, where has it been officially said that it is the 2nd weakest hashira? At the end of the manga, Tengen is easily the 6 or 5 strongest hashira, I don't know why everyone says he is the 2 weakest hashira ☠️

Mar 15, 2024 8:08 AM

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He definetly is not one of the strongest Hashiras (idk the rankings), but he sure is one of the most beloved and the most flamboyant.

@Ripperdoc In reality it is, or rather it was but it was surpassed by some just for the brand, but it remains one of the strongest all the same, with the brand it would easily be in 4 or 3 position in terms of strength

Mar 15, 2024 8:13 AM

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He said it himself. He's one of the weakest Hashira because he's talentless, kinda like Genya.

@Yosakusan He never said that he is one of the weakest hashira, he said that he didn't have the same talent as many others since there were some hashira more talented than him like Rengoku, Gyomei and Muichiro, but he certainly has some talent too , let's remember that of all his brothers, only he and one of his other brothers survived the infernal training they underwent as children...

Mar 15, 2024 8:14 AM

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tengen admits he is weaker than rengoku though

@deg Not exactly, he admits that he does not have the same talent as Rengoku nor that he is weaker than him, a curious fact however that Rengoku also recognizes Tengen as an extraordinary individual

Mar 15, 2024 8:15 AM

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Seems like one of those problems, that can be fixed by simply paying attention while watching.

@Piromysl seeing the comments here it seems like no one is paying attention...

Mar 15, 2024 8:19 AM

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Tengen isn’t “underrated”, many people love him. When it comes to his strength in fight, he was shown fighting Gyutaro which was probably the best match for him, but if we saw him against Gyokko for example, I’m afraid he wouldn’t do too good since Gyokko had entirely different abilities. Muichiro managed to defeat Gyokko thanks to the demon slayer mark and his form Obscuring Clouds which is great for confusing opponents and he couldn’t see the attack coming, but I don’t think Tengen would defeat him so easily. He is indeed very strong, but not as strong as others

@LorduSuSpiritus And here you are wrong, read the comments everyone says that tengen is one of the weakest hashira when in reality it is one of the strongest 😂. As for Gyokko, Tengen would probably have had less difficulty than Muichiro in defeating him, let's remember that Tengen is the fastest pillar and Muichiro mark was surpassed in speed by Sanami and Gyomei without mark who are the 2nd and 3rd fastest hashira... without considering that everyone underestimates Tengen's musical score, once Gyokko's fighting style is analyzed, it would be an easy victory for him since Gyokko would not be able to keep up.

Mar 15, 2024 8:22 AM

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While Tengen himself is really impressive and capable of doing superhuman feats, the other hashiras basically have monstrous speed and strength themselves that even with all that amazing feats he has, he is unfortunately still on the weaker side of hashiras.

@Rinrinka But if it is confirmed that Tengen is the fastest pillar and the 2nd hashira physically strongest... not to mention that many who received the mark were overtaken by other pillars who had not yet unlocked it... how can you say that Tengen is one of the weakest hashira ☠️

Mar 15, 2024 8:23 AM

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Tengen is literally the coolest Hashira in Demon Slayer. People neither believe how powerful he is, nor believe how cool he is.

@AnimeLoverBeast I'm more for the Rengoku team, but you're certainly right too 😂

Mar 15, 2024 8:24 AM

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He’s not underrated in the slightest

@Phantom_373 Read the comments, most consider it one of the weakest hashira ☠️

Mar 15, 2024 8:43 AM

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Leon888 said:
@Phantom_373 Read the comments, most consider it one of the weakest hashira ☠️

No I know and they are right, but just cause he’s weaker than most hashira does not mean he’s weak.

I mean tengen isn’t underrated at all, he’s one of the most popular hashira alongside the flame pillar.

But I mean realistically tengen is one of the weakest hashira. Especially considering he was getting bodied by the weakest upper moon a bunch.

I mean he did put up a great fight though.

(And when I say weak I’m referring to just In general not physically, he’s one of the strongest in terms of physical strength)

Mar 15, 2024 8:51 AM

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I think the list changes depending on mark vs. no mark. Tengen could have been stronger in a no mark list but there have been instances in the manga that explain this. He doubts himself to be stronger than Rengoku, Gyoumei, and Tokito against upper moon 6. There was a panel in the Swordsmith Village Arc that explained that Mitsuri's physical prowness and strength surpassed Tengen even before the mark. If you are talking about the manga, there are instances where Upper Moon's see the strength of every other Hashira.

SLIGHT SPOILERS

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Mar 15, 2024 8:58 AM

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Bro really said Muichiro is weaker than Tengen💀💀💀💀

Mar 15, 2024 9:15 AM

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that don't matter in front of plot armor. thats like saying goku beats anos coz goku has more forms

Mar 15, 2024 9:22 AM

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Had to stop reading when you mention "end of manga" in a season 2 thread without spoiler tags.

Mar 15, 2024 9:39 AM

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Leon888 said:
@Phantom_373 Read the comments, most consider it one of the weakest hashira ☠️

No I know and they are right, but just cause he’s weaker than most hashira does not mean he’s weak.

I mean tengen isn’t underrated at all, he’s one of the most popular hashira alongside the flame pillar.

But I mean realistically tengen is one of the weakest hashira. Especially considering he was getting bodied by the weakest upper moon a bunch.

I mean he did put up a great fight though.

(And when I say weak I’m referring to just In general not physically, he’s one of the strongest in terms of physical strength)

@Phantom_373 But it's not true, Tengen is one of the strongest hashira, my indignation is that everyone puts him as one of the weakest hashira even when that's not the case, not to mention that he acted like Gyutaro in that way only because the poison was affecting him progressively weakening in the fight, it was said several times that Tengen was weakened by the poison and if it weren't for that he could have won against Gyutaro. Then I don't know why you think Gyutaro is the weakest moon when Gyokko is most weak than him

Mar 15, 2024 9:41 AM

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Leon888 said:
@Phantom_373 But it's not true, Tengen is one of the strongest hashira, my indignation is that everyone puts him as one of the weakest hashira even when that's not the case, not to mention that he acted like Gyutaro in that way only because the poison was affecting him progressively weakening in the fight, it was said several times that Tengen was weakened by the poison and if it weren't for that he could have won against Gyutaro. Then I don't know why you think Gyutaro is the weakest moon when Gyokko is most weak than him

Their rankings is why I believe gyutaro is the weakest, the ranks are there for a reason

Mar 15, 2024 9:45 AM

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I think the list changes depending on mark vs. no mark. Tengen could have been stronger in a no mark list but there have been instances in the manga that explain this. He doubts himself to be stronger than Rengoku, Gyoumei, and Tokito against upper moon 6. There was a panel in the Swordsmith Village Arc that explained that Mitsuri's physical prowness and strength surpassed Tengen even before the mark. If you are talking about the manga, there are instances where Upper Moon's see the strength of every other Hashira.

SLIGHT SPOILERS

@Ramen2222 But Tengen doesn't say that he is weaker than them, he just recognizes that the 3 of them are more talented than him given the results obtained, as for Mitsuri it seems to me that it was said that in terms of technique he was superior to Tengen but in terms of strength physical Tengen proved to be stronger than her, not to mention that Tengen needed the help of the 3 demon slayers because he had been poisoned and the poison made him increasingly weaker so much so that he had to stop his heart to have an advantage against Gyutaro , in the manga it is then stated that if he had not been poisoned he would have managed, thanks to his musical score, to cut off Gyutaro's head, so the spoiler on 1 superior that you have made does not take into account Rengoku, Tengen and perhaps even Kanae, even if it is confirmed that Gyomei was the strongest among all the hashira

Mar 15, 2024 9:47 AM

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Bro really said Muichiro is weaker than Tengen💀💀💀💀

@Treyv0n Tengen > Muichiro is manga, lol

Mar 15, 2024 9:48 AM

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Had to stop reading when you mention "end of manga" in a season 2 thread without spoiler tags.

@WestOnAndrewAve I didn't give any spoilers, I just say the reasons why Tengen is strong and the people he surpasses, that's it

Mar 15, 2024 9:50 AM

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Leon888 said:
@Phantom_373 But it's not true, Tengen is one of the strongest hashira, my indignation is that everyone puts him as one of the weakest hashira even when that's not the case, not to mention that he acted like Gyutaro in that way only because the poison was affecting him progressively weakening in the fight, it was said several times that Tengen was weakened by the poison and if it weren't for that he could have won against Gyutaro. Then I don't know why you think Gyutaro is the weakest moon when Gyokko is most weak than him

Their rankings is why I believe gyutaro is the weakest, the ranks are there for a reason

@Phantom_373 The ranking is useless, if the ranking were true then Rui should be 1 waning moon and not 5, the author confirms this...

Mar 15, 2024 9:53 AM

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Leon888 said:
@Phantom_373 The ranking is useless, if the ranking were true then Rui should be 1 waning moon and not 5, the author confirms this...

Well that’s because Rui was far weaker from splitting his power among his family and he had no interest in rising up the ranks.

But all the upper moons want to get stronger and rise the ranks (except douma he’s goofy). People underrated gyokko heavily and forget he lost to muichiro due to the insane power boost the mark gave him.

I mean look at the fight with gyutaro, tanjiro got the mark and made light work of him.

Mar 15, 2024 12:09 PM

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Leon888 said:
@Phantom_373 The ranking is useless, if the ranking were true then Rui should be 1 waning moon and not 5, the author confirms this...

Well that’s because Rui was far weaker from splitting his power among his family and he had no interest in rising up the ranks.

But all the upper moons want to get stronger and rise the ranks (except douma he’s goofy). People underrated gyokko heavily and forget he lost to muichiro due to the insane power boost the mark gave him.

I mean look at the fight with gyutaro, tanjiro got the mark and made light work of him.

@Phantom_373 Not even Gyutaro for that matter had any interest in rising in rank, in fact his sister held him back terribly, just think that when he fought against Tengen we don't even see Gyutaro at his best because he had to share part of his strength with her... Gyokko would potentially be strong but he is very stupid, he has no intelligence at all in battle, in fact he gave up his vase technique to be a fighter when all he would have had to do was keep throwing various skills at Muichiro until he was exhausted, not to mention that Muichiro didn't have such an incredible boost he was poor on his own despite being a hashira but the brand made him more acceptable in combat, just look at his battle against Kokushibo where he was surpassed by Sanemi and Gyomei without the brand... I repeat Gyokko would potentially be stronger but he would lose to Gyutaro also given his incredible ingenuity in battle.

Mar 15, 2024 3:43 PM

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Leon888 said:
@Ramen2222 But Tengen doesn't say that he is weaker than them, he just recognizes that the 3 of them are more talented than him given the results obtained, as for Mitsuri it seems to me that it was said that in terms of technique he was superior to Tengen but in terms of strength physical Tengen proved to be stronger than her, not to mention that Tengen needed the help of the 3 demon slayers because he had been poisoned and the poison made him increasingly weaker so much so that he had to stop his heart to have an advantage against Gyutaro , in the manga it is then stated that if he had not been poisoned he would have managed, thanks to his musical score, to cut off Gyutaro's head, so the spoiler on 1 superior that you have made does not take into account Rengoku, Tengen and perhaps even Kanae, even if it is confirmed that Gyomei was the strongest among all the hashira

I think I agree with Tengen having a lot more potential than what he had showed off. He only showed 3 out of 7(?) forms so he probably had other things up his sleeve. However, he obviously couldn't show it. Strength is definitely objective in how we interpret it and while he had overall great stats in speed and adaptation, the things that he did while he was a Hashira is probably why people don't think he's that strong. There are other things to take into consideration like technique, which is what overall made Mitsuri technically be "stronger" but if you are talking just physically, then yeah Tengen is physically strong. Again, Mark vs. no mark makes a difference and the other powers

are probably other reasons too.

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Mar 15, 2024 11:14 PM

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Idk, he’s the goat

Mar 16, 2024 8:18 AM

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MaxAkumax said:
My current ranking of the Hashira by strength is:
1. Gyomei
2. Giyu
3. Sanemi
4. Rengoku
5. Tokito
6. Obanai
7. Mitsuri
8. Tengen
9. Shinobu
This is made with my anime knowledge. Idk what happens in the manga after Swordsmith Village and To The Hashira Training movie

Rengoku isn’t that strong, he couldn’t open his mark, also Sanemi is 2nd strongest I think.

Mar 16, 2024 8:21 AM

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Manga Spoilers!!!

And Tengen is also weak cause he couldn’t open his mark bc of Tanjiro. If he didn’t quit the corps and fight at infinity castle maybe he could open his max power states!!! But that didn’t happen so Tengen is weak and it’s really normal to be underrated

Mar 16, 2024 2:41 PM

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He doesn’t have the mark. Assuming he did. He’d be top 4

Mar 17, 2024 5:10 AM

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@Ramen2222 But Tengen doesn't say that he is weaker than them, he just recognizes that the 3 of them are more talented than him given the results obtained, as for Mitsuri it seems to me that it was said that in terms of technique he was superior to Tengen but in terms of strength physical Tengen proved to be stronger than her, not to mention that Tengen needed the help of the 3 demon slayers because he had been poisoned and the poison made him increasingly weaker so much so that he had to stop his heart to have an advantage against Gyutaro , in the manga it is then stated that if he had not been poisoned he would have managed, thanks to his musical score, to cut off Gyutaro's head, so the spoiler on 1 superior that you have made does not take into account Rengoku, Tengen and perhaps even Kanae, even if it is confirmed that Gyomei was the strongest among all the hashira

I think I agree with Tengen having a lot more potential than what he had showed off. He only showed 3 out of 7(?) forms so he probably had other things up his sleeve. However, he obviously couldn't show it. Strength is definitely objective in how we interpret it and while he had overall great stats in speed and adaptation, the things that he did while he was a Hashira is probably why people don't think he's that strong. There are other things to take into consideration like technique, which is what overall made Mitsuri technically be "stronger" but if you are talking just physically, then yeah Tengen is physically strong. Again, Mark vs. no mark makes a difference and the other powers

are probably other reasons too.

@Ramen2222 Yes Muichiro unlocks various power ups, the problem is that he is only a 14 year old boy, he has good technique and excellent breathing but he has no experience and does not have the physique of a well trained man like the other older hashira like Tengen or Rengoku (and we know that in the world of demon slayer the physique makes a huge difference), there is a reason why Sanemi without the brand managed to resist better than Muichiro with the brand, in fact a couple of years and together with Tanjiro he would have become the strongest among the demon slayers, but unfortunately we saw his peak in the final battle and this is why I consider him inferior to Tengen, because Tengen would prove to be even better than him in combat thanks to his experience, his statistics and to the various abilities he possesses

Mar 17, 2024 5:13 AM

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MaxAkumax said:
My current ranking of the Hashira by strength is:
1. Gyomei
2. Giyu
3. Sanemi
4. Rengoku
5. Tokito
6. Obanai
7. Mitsuri
8. Tengen
9. Shinobu
This is made with my anime knowledge. Idk what happens in the manga after Swordsmith Village and To The Hashira Training movie

Rengoku isn’t that strong, he couldn’t open his mark, also Sanemi is 2nd strongest I think.

@ranpoisthecutest In reality, Rengoku is among the strongest especially at the beginning where he could very well have been in the top 3, but then it is explained why neither he nor Uzui are able to unlock the mark, in fact if they had fought in the final battle, the mark would have awakened it

Mar 17, 2024 5:16 AM

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Manga Spoilers!!!

And Tengen is also weak cause he couldn’t open his mark bc of Tanjiro. If he didn’t quit the corps and fight at infinity castle maybe he could open his max power states!!! But that didn’t happen so Tengen is weak and it’s really normal to be underrated

@ranpoisthecutest Yes, well, Tengen was dying when Tanjiro unlocked the mark, he couldn't unlock it on that occasion, but nevertheless from what he had shown he still seems to be superior to many of his companions who unlock the mark like Rengoku

Mar 17, 2024 5:19 AM

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@Mehul_S No, Rengoku is superior to Tokito and Obanai in fact Rengoku should be equal to Gyu mark

Mar 17, 2024 5:21 AM

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He doesn’t have the mark. Assuming he did. He’d be top 4

@niko2219 if they had unlocked all the various power ups the list would be like this:
1- Gyomei
2- Rengoku
3- Sanemi
4- Tengen
5- Gyu
6- Obanai
7- Tokyo
8- Mitsuri
9-Shinobu

Mar 17, 2024 4:28 PM

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I really think tengen would beat mitsuri In a pure 1v1 if he unlocks the slayer mark.

Mar 17, 2024 4:41 PM

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Tengen is so badass

Mar 19, 2024 10:50 AM

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I just hate how he wasn't shown later in the last arc. I know what happened to him, but at least fight for your life like the others lmao

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