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Feb 9, 2022 6:28 AM
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Whenever Cayna does get the chance to remit her OP powers, she'll do it, as such with the rock golems, all in one fell swoop to teach her grand-kids like Caerina.

As expected, the unevenness of the golems pose another string of problems, and it's only by reaching the Crescent Moon Castle then will she know the full extent of the bandit situation. Clearing the usual army of bandits is normal, and just like SAO, player killers are common, but too bad for demons like Luvrogue, facing Cayna is his worst nightmare, and if they die, there is no reset.

It isn't at all surprising that the Crescent Moon Castle is yet another Guardian Tower (or more like The House of Murder and Malice) that's governed by one Opus of being Leadale's Kongming a.k.a Zhuge Liang with a skeleton guardian. Even the fairy that Opus kept in his records...you get the picture. The reward for suppressing the bandits...felt so outweighed with the intention of keeping mum about Cayna, but I'd guess this is a fair trade for not ratting her presence out to royalty.

The grandchildren are sure amazed of Cayna's abilities being a Skill Master. Always, each and every time. But Mai-Mai...RIP...press F for a beating down.
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Feb 9, 2022 6:55 AM
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R.I.P rock golems. They were not match for Cayna.

I love her reactions. Those surprised faces were adorable in this particular episode.

That fairy and her matching body movements and facial expressions with Cayna were so cute, haha. Now I really want to know more about her. She's a mysterious character.

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Feb 9, 2022 7:50 AM
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Look can be deceiving. At first Cayna was portrayed as poor disabled girl with kindheart, turns out she's a tyranny that doesn't afraid to kill a kid. It should use this to promote because many people love to see a real evil MC, but I'm not one of those people.
Feb 9, 2022 8:08 AM
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Another lovely episode!

We got to see a child who is also a player that is also stuck in Leadale, Cayna was really intent on punishing the player for its/his wrongdoing but because of her granddaughter's plea, she didn't and I'm glad she didn't or else, this series would become a different story altogether (hope I used it right).

This episode's animation is decent enough to be enjoyable.
It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it,
is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.
Feb 9, 2022 8:41 AM
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Why does the art style remind me of an early 2000s anime? I wonder if that's intentional?
Feb 9, 2022 8:43 AM
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My ears have again being blessed with this top tier ED, my favorite ED of the season for sure. Now coming to the episode-

As expected Cayna took out all the rock golems in like one shot xD.

Kinda glad that her grand daughter (forgot her name lol) stopped Cayna from killing that player, I mean we don't want our precious Cayna to kill more people xD.

The skeleton was funny, didn't expect the female voice.

Also that fairy is so cute lol, I loved how she greeted Cayna by giving her a little kiss on cheeks <3. Plus she imitates Cayna lol, from posture to expressions everything xD.

Well now that her teleportation location has been placed I think Cayna is suddenly going to appear in front of Mai-Mai lolol, next episode shoud be filled with comedic moments I suppose.

5/5 episode. Looking forward to next one.






Feb 9, 2022 8:49 AM
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LMFAO, Part of me wants her to be nicer to her family, but the art and the VA for that scene at the end for her looking forward to seeing Mai-Mai was GREAT 🤣. The VA is really good, and the reactions from her family have been great as well..

I am confused about some stuff though, is that kid a player that has been in the game from 200 years ago that got stuck too? Or are new players somehow coming in to this now real world? I was really excited to see her fight a real player but was kinda disappointed when it ended do quickly. Definitely look forward to more player interactions.
Feb 9, 2022 9:17 AM
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Ok this episode was one that could have turned the anime to 18+ if it was Cayna doing her work on that kid, Also don't know why this is the only anime that reminds me of 2000 anime art style and just the general plot of the episode so fare this is the best anime this season for me really looking forword for next episodes.
Feb 9, 2022 10:05 AM
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So there were other players after all. No match for Cayna thou but someone as strong as her will proly make appearance in future.

The fairy is cute.
Feb 9, 2022 10:54 AM

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I have problems with Cayna. She was quite eager to kill a kid even when the kid admitted to not knowing that he's not in a game. I'm pretty sure that situation could've been handled way better. I don't know if this behavior is intentional on author's part. This really felt out of character for Cayna.
Feb 9, 2022 10:56 AM

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Good to see an episode with action and Cayna's continuing her quest. I need some context though. Was the demon an actual player that got sucked into the game like Cayna was or was he just a player playing in real time. He doesn't think that his demon life is reality, but he can still feel pain. IDK that was just confusing. Overall a good episode.
Feb 9, 2022 11:01 AM

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Alpha_Druid said:
I have problems with Cayna. She was quite eager to kill a kid even when the kid admitted to not knowing that he's not in a game. I'm pretty sure that situation could've been handled way better. I don't know if this behavior is intentional on author's part. This really felt out of character for Cayna.
I have no idea Cayna's personality is all over the place. They certainly play up her emotions, one minute she's angry the next minute she's calm. She also had no problem killing those bandits in an earlier episode, only for a minute to pass and regret doing so. Honestly, I thought she wanted to kill the demon because he was so high leveled, and almost killed her granddaughter.
Feb 9, 2022 11:01 AM

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Cayna is just mean and tyrant now. He's a child so he should die xD...
Feb 9, 2022 11:33 AM

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It is a bit sad, but the show seems to be all over the place.
First she was sad that there are no other players, then she finds another player that is a douchebag, and she comes very close to killing him. While the kid did do evil and I don't entirely buy the 'I'm a kid' act, death is still insane, considering he is now imprisoned and robbed of most of his power, which seems a lot more reasonable.
Her emotions just seem a bit too extreme in fluctuation, from being depressed, lonely to murderous, back to lovely, shocked and surprised. I have the feeling that they hit those beats without painting the full picture the source material might have (maybe someone that knows the source material can confirm my hunch).

Also RIP Maimai
Feb 9, 2022 11:46 AM

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Great episode! Cayna destroyed them rock golems in one shot!
It seems there is a high level summoner who is most likely a player as well. Cayna also beats the bandits by summoning brown dragons xD. Their boss Luvrogue appears and Cayna fights him. She beats him by trapping him in a hole with cracking earth lol. And wow, Cayna's punishment collar which reduces stats by 90% is pretty powerful...
And Cayna gives the skeleton guardian magic points to revive her. Opus's fairy was pretty cute as well. The fairy seems to have the same emotions that Cayna does xD.

Looking forward to the next episode!
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Feb 9, 2022 11:48 AM
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Alpha_Druid said:
I have problems with Cayna. She was quite eager to kill a kid even when the kid admitted to not knowing that he's not in a game. I'm pretty sure that situation could've been handled way better. I don't know if this behavior is intentional on author's part. This really felt out of character for Cayna.

It only seems out of character because the anime is sticking in "this is real life, people are really dying" moments without softening anything else she does. She is far more murder-y in the source, not Ainz level but she is no pacifist. Kartatz's fear is not unfounded, Cayna is quick to anger, is not good at restraint, and possesses nation destroying power.







Saying all that, it is kind of the author's fault. She isn't super consistent, most the other characters are more consistent but one-dimensional. Ainz is "pragmatic" in his slaughter. Azusa (300 slimes) is "peaceful" leading to mercy by default. Cayna just sometimes uses a flashbang and sometimes uses a grenade. Sometimes she subdues bandits and sometimes she blows up the entire forest with them in it. She never explains why she picked one vs the other. Perhaps the author is trying to portray her as mentally unstable in this crazy new situation that her prior life didn't prepare her for in any way but that wasn't my impression.
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PurpleMagic said:
Alpha_Druid said:
I have problems with Cayna. She was quite eager to kill a kid even when the kid admitted to not knowing that he's not in a game. I'm pretty sure that situation could've been handled way better. I don't know if this behavior is intentional on author's part. This really felt out of character for Cayna.
I have no idea Cayna's personality is all over the place. They certainly play up her emotions, one minute she's angry the next minute she's calm. She also had no problem killing those bandits in an earlier episode, only for a minute to pass and regret doing so. Honestly, I thought she wanted to kill the demon because he was so high leveled, and almost killed her granddaughter.
She may not ever have had a coherent personality but I don’t recall her ever being particularly empathetic. I actually kind of like having an Isekai protagonist that isn’t yet another generic nice guy/gal goody two shoes or an Edgelord with a heart of gold.

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Feb 9, 2022 12:21 PM
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I think it's weird how Opus knew that Cyna would come to the tower and prepared the fairy. the fairy my be like a little helper for her in the future so I hope they elaborate the relation between Opus, the fairy and Cyna in the next episodes.
Feb 9, 2022 12:43 PM

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Cayne is such an inconsistent character imo. She has the weirdest mood swings and has such inconsistent thinking.
> Goes on don't kill NPCs since they're alive and have feelings yadayada killing is bad
> Goes on and murders the people infront of her when she's definitely strong enough to subdue them instead
> Goes on saying the "world is real" and should be treated as such but has no qualms on killing a kid instead of being judged by the law like the "real world" would.

Feb 9, 2022 1:17 PM

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I expected meeting another player willl be much bigger event. But I sure liked how she wanted to kill him without any hesitation. And tbh it was very logical: kid or not (or especially because he is a kid), he is dangerous and NPCs can't control him.

jmstructor said:
Alpha_Druid said:
I have problems with Cayna. She was quite eager to kill a kid even when the kid admitted to not knowing that he's not in a game. I'm pretty sure that situation could've been handled way better. I don't know if this behavior is intentional on author's part. This really felt out of character for Cayna.


It only seems out of character because the anime is sticking in "this is real life, people are really dying" moments without softening anything else she does. She is far more murder-y in the source. Kartatz's fear is not unfounded, Cayna is quick to anger, is not good at restraint, and possesses nation destroying power.







Damn. Now I really want to read it :o Her personality is the best side of anime for me, and that sounds even better.
Feb 9, 2022 1:30 PM
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Damn. Now I really want to read it :o Her personality is the best side of anime for me, and that sounds even better.

It's a pretty good read, not a 10/10 but pretty good. The author's writing style is more paragraphs of thoughts and explanations than dialogue if that matters.

But the author is amazing at building up great moments, most of the meh scenes in the anime are actually incredible in the book; Like I want to go back through it and highlight all the scenes like "skargo is my son", ice arrow that is "like what they use on the demon lord in fairy tails", crafting the potion, etc.
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You all realize her granddaughter was gonna be massacred by the golems. I find her actions reasonable. She even tells him dying was a more merciful option since he'd be locked down forever.
Feb 9, 2022 1:42 PM

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Peoples here seem to be confused, but her wanting to kill that kid is not especially out of character.

That's exactly because she's conscious that this world is real and that peoples won't respawn that she instantly decided to get rid of a kid that had killed hundred of peoples and had the power to kill a whole country worth of peoples, including her own family, if left alone.
And even when reduced to around lvl 50 with that collar, he's still dangerous due to being higher level than most former NPCs out there, and his inventory that has high level things in it.
Also what you guys are suggesting is that being chained for hundred of years (that guy is from a long living race) without being able to move your arms or feet is more merciful than death. Interesting point of view here.
Feb 9, 2022 1:54 PM
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Im surprised, but as the pool goes, 50 percent give it ***** It was realy good one, adoreble and fun, even tho she wanted to kill a kid in cold blood. Adoreble but also devilish. Its kinda sad they needed so long to get it on this level tho. Hope atleast they keeps the pace. Adding the fiery will defenetli sell some merch :D
Feb 9, 2022 3:02 PM
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I gonna lie i don’t think I’m the only one who rather him in jail than dead bro didn’t know it was real life he thought it was a game but he did deserve an beating then jail but goin to kill him was a lil to far for me I don’t know if it was because he was a kid or jus bc
Feb 9, 2022 3:03 PM

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I am just curious of the fact that why didn't Cayna interrogate the player she ran into? If I were in Cayna's situation, I would love to know if he was actually in the game or in a similar situation as Cayna herself.

That fairy though is epic, loved how she was copying everything Cayna did at one point.
Feb 9, 2022 3:12 PM

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Cayna is OP and has no mercy at the same time. I kind of liked it but someone keeps stopping her. I would like more of her adventures


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Feb 9, 2022 3:29 PM

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It got a little dark there with Cayna wanting to off the kid player character.

Also, I found it a little strange she would be angry at her adoptive daughter for surprising Cayna with her grandchildren. An OP character with unpredictable mood swings doesn't bode well.
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Feb 9, 2022 4:38 PM

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Like a lot of people already mentioned, Cayna is extremely inconsistent and can’t even stick to her own logic within the same scene. She gives a lecture about how this world is reality now and that there are no more redoes, something the kid she was facing clearly hadn’t picked up on, only to follow by readying herself to kill the only human player she has encountered up till this point despite that being precisely the type of action she had been admonishing him about. It makes little sense for her character.
Feb 9, 2022 4:48 PM

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Alpha_Druid said:
I have problems with Cayna. She was quite eager to kill a kid even when the kid admitted to not knowing that he's not in a game. I'm pretty sure that situation could've been handled way better. I don't know if this behavior is intentional on author's part. This really felt out of character for Cayna.


She also seemed almost hesitant to fight the golems and save the soldiers, just to keep her cover.

She reminds me of Elaina from Wandering Witch, a bit unstable and immature and a jerk.

Heck her own granddaughter who doesn't even understand that the demon is really just a kid was willing to fight her to save the demon's life, just proving her granddaughter has more of level head than she does.

The kid was neutralized and finally willing to accept that it is not a game, yet her first instinct is to snuff him out like a rabid animal. That goes against the whole mental crisis she seemed to have a few episodes ago when she killed that mage.
Feb 9, 2022 5:41 PM
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As expected, Cayna saved those soldiers from the golems with her OP skills, and then later on proceeded to bully a “player” into submission with her skills lol, but man I’m kinda surprised by how ruthless she was with him, she was very ready to kill him even knowing he’s a kid who didn’t know this wasn’t a game until now, even Cayna herself still treats it as a game sometimes, kinda ruthless lol, and this isn’t the first time either. I guess I gotta remember she herself is a kid too.

I also liked the Tsundere skeleton, always love to see spooky skeleton characters in anime (definitely not because I’m a Deadhead), also rip Mai-Mai at the end lol.
Feb 9, 2022 5:41 PM
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This show was my favorite of the season until Cayna attempted to kill that clueless kid in cold blood. It disappointed me so much that I had to go read the LN to see if it's just the anime adaptation's fault but she's even more brutal in the LN (The fact that she's not much older than him makes it worse). A cruel unhinged MC is absolutely fine but not from a chill SOL where the MC was just being wholesome a scene before. It's still a fun show that I will continue watching tho.
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She had right idea to kill that kid. He was bandit who had killed lots of people. In the eyes of society he had killed many people. Those people won't forgive him. Society won't forgive him no matter what excuse.

That "kid" had bounty on his head. Back in the days it was common to kill bandits & pirates etc. Often among them there were kids which were killed too. Law was law doesn't matter if person was a kid. Only in modern world we have understood that children shouldn't bear same responsibilities than adults do.

He was extreme dangerous. For Cayna killing him would be way more safer solution for all. Basically there was two choices. Both was was evil one. Kill him and prevent future deaths. Not to kill, enable him to kill in future. Also if he doesn't escape from prison before trial society would execute him anyway. So in hindsight killing him would be only reasonable option. Now she didn't kill him because society (soldiers) was after justice (trial and public execution).
Feb 9, 2022 6:51 PM

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I can't understand why this show has as high a rating as it does!

Its incredibly boring, which is fine for a turn your brain off and watch dumb shit happen slice of life show like this but man it does not deserve anything north of a 6 overall rating.



The animation looks so childish and they have nothing going for it in terms of it's bland action that ends after 15 seconds. Again fine for what it is a filler show that must have just been an afterthought for whatever studio is making it, cause they got something bigger going on. But God the way people are raving about it is shocking.

Ok last criticism, so Cayna wakes up in this world and knows she must have died but somehow is in the game. That's some real world shattering anime style plot that even if it happens to me who watches this stuff would at least be thrown for a loop like holy shit this is really happening. So then she walking around not finding anything or anyone similar to her situation until this kid demon pops up and she doesn't even ask any questions!!! Like what the hell??!!!??
Hey here's someone that's in my situation let's not ask what the last thing he remembers is. Or how he got into the game, If he's met any other players, if he has any info at all about what the fuck is going on!
Nope let's....kill him.......huuuuuh?!
So fucking stupid, your mad at this kid for not believing this isnt a game but a real world that's like the game, but how can you be surprised when You're probably the first person he's met in his situation. Some one was drinking tard juice when they wrote this episode up!



God so dumb, I've been fine watching this just as a fun 5/10 anime that's just there to give you all the basic stuff so you can be semi interested as you're waiting for the next episode of something better.to come out. But man now it's just bad, not even gonna try to give you any basic info.

Ugh sorry for the rant just had to get that off my chest, I now know I was correct in telling all my friends and family to pass on this.
Can't wait to tell them about this episode and I won't be surprised if she meets the all powerful being that sent her to this world and is about to explain everything, then she just goes "meh, I got place to go. No need info thx!".


Me: How did we get here?!?!
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Feb 9, 2022 7:47 PM

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I do have to say: I was a bit troubled with Cayna wanting to kill a kid player who didn't even know he was in a real world. Of course, he's responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people... Still, he had no idea what he was doing (plus he's a kid) - death just seems a bit too far. Honestly, I blame the author for creating this ridiculous situation. There's no good way out of it. Someone who read the source please tell me what happened to the kid? I'm curious/worried hahaha.
Feb 9, 2022 8:00 PM
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cayna probably got some mental issues
Feb 9, 2022 10:31 PM
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So something terrible is happening. This series isn't just about Cayna living a happy life after she "died". Not all is lighthearted it seems.
Feb 10, 2022 12:58 AM
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I do have to say: I was a bit troubled with Cayna wanting to kill a kid player who didn't even know he was in a real world. Of course, he's responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people... Still, he had no idea what he was doing (plus he's a kid) - death just seems a bit too far. Honestly, I blame the author for creating this ridiculous situation. There's no good way out of it. Someone who read the source please tell me what happened to the kid? I'm curious/worried hahaha.

Totally agree here, yall are so messed up and cruel, saying kill the kid like it wasnt a big deal.

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Harucchan said:
I do have to say: I was a bit troubled with Cayna wanting to kill a kid player who didn't even know he was in a real world. Of course, he's responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people... Still, he had no idea what he was doing (plus he's a kid) - death just seems a bit too far. Honestly, I blame the author for creating this ridiculous situation. There's no good way out of it. Someone who read the source please tell me what happened to the kid? I'm curious/worried hahaha.


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Harucchan said:
I do have to say: I was a bit troubled with Cayna wanting to kill a kid player who didn't even know he was in a real world. Of course, he's responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people... Still, he had no idea what he was doing (plus he's a kid) - death just seems a bit too far. Honestly, I blame the author for creating this ridiculous situation. There's no good way out of it. Someone who read the source please tell me what happened to the kid? I'm curious/worried hahaha.

Totally agree here, yall are so messed up and cruel, saying kill the kid like it wasnt a big deal.

so what would you do instead then? Chain the kid for a few centuries making sure he cannot move an arm or feet? leave him be hoping that he doesn't throw a tantrum as a kid and start wiping out the population of that country, including her own family member?

That "poor kid" has probably killed a hundred or more innocents by now. He was scared of Keina, but what would he do the moment he knows she's no longer around?

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So then she walking around not finding anything or anyone similar to her situation until this kid demon pops up and she doesn't even ask any questions!!! Like what the hell??!!!?? !

that kid doesn't even realize he's no longer simply playing the game. So he's got literally no clue about what's going on, even less than Keina. That means he obviously has no recollection of dying, or anything out of the ordinary happening. How could he answer a question about his circumstances for landing into another world if he didn't even have a clue for probably months or years that he was no longer simply in a game?
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So after Kenja no Deshi had another player on their supposed-to-be isekai, this isekai also had another player too. Surely that player chose the wrong opponent, even more did a reckless move without doing more research first, but somehow know about the punishment collar in the end. The power of regret and ignorant sounds strong there, and well, thats already too late for you, kid. I hope those imprisonment changed his way of life to the better, even if your race actually demon.

The visual on these episode to be honestly wasn't really impressive and kinda lead into a bad one. Idk how they think its great to changing up Cayna expression into those derpy face again however she changed expression into a comedic one. I don't remember it being that intense since the first episode honestly. That's looks not so funny at all. Also, the fights with those player kid should've been look and feel more serious, or tense at least. But, with all those 'art', i can't. Or was that just the true intention of the director? Idk anything...

Not to mention those fairy actually quite annoying me. Whats the deal with you, little fly? And rip for Mai Mai too. She really need to shut up for once, for her own good in the future. Because her mother still unstable af. So she really need to be more careful...
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glad it's not another episode of Cayna being violent to her family members. So not dropping this yet.

so it's a choice of killing the kid or strapping him into bondage torture for who knows how long. Ok, so they chose the bondage, because the law is the law. Imo this is a disaster waiting to happen, if he somehow get's loose and Cayna isn't around.. people in the kingdom are going to get killed or worse.
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Muzan2020 said:
Harucchan said:
I do have to say: I was a bit troubled with Cayna wanting to kill a kid player who didn't even know he was in a real world. Of course, he's responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people... Still, he had no idea what he was doing (plus he's a kid) - death just seems a bit too far. Honestly, I blame the author for creating this ridiculous situation. There's no good way out of it. Someone who read the source please tell me what happened to the kid? I'm curious/worried hahaha.

Totally agree here, yall are so messed up and cruel, saying kill the kid like it wasnt a big deal.


Yes, totally. There are some really cruel and cold people in here, but that's anime fans to you. At least, this time, I haven't seen any incells.
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so what would you do instead then? Chain the kid for a few centuries making sure he cannot move an arm or feet? leave him be hoping that he doesn't throw a tantrum as a kid and start wiping out the population of that country, including her own family member?

That "poor kid" has probably killed a hundred or more innocents by now. He was scared of Keina, but what would he do the moment he knows she's no longer around?


Look, as I said, there's no good way out of it: it's just some insane situation created by the author. But, ok, let's think in a different way: killing the kid is the right way to go then? I mean, I'm just shocked there are people who can blatantly say this shit. Anyhoo, if you want to know a more mature way to deal with the situation that would be Cayna handling him and teaching him for the time being as the adult amongst them. She could collar him and carry him around with her. Of course, even if the kid didn't know what he was doing, he did something dreadful, so he should do some form of penitence (and, apparently, he has a long life to do so); eventually, he'd mature into an adult and would have to carry what he did in the past until the day he died.

But, then... Do I really need to argue that killing kids is wrong? I mean, there's a reason law differentiates between adults and children, after all, they don't have their brains fully developed yet - their decision making is faulty.
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But, then... Do I really need to argue that killing kids is wrong? I mean, there's a reason law differentiates between adults and children, after all, they don't have their brains fully developed yet - their decision making is faulty.


Absolutely killing child is wrong. There is law like that in modern world! Not in medieval world. That is difference here. Back in the days there was not seen difference between kids and adults. They were seen as small version of adults. Kids were killed like adults were if they were caught doing criminal things. What is seen as wrong and what is not is always different with times and needs. Society technology level basically define how advanced morals can society have. I bet that in 2200 people think that our morals and values are barbaric and absolutely wrong. We basically send kids to institution (schools) to be brainwashed by society without consent of kids etc. But we do that anyway because that is what is needed for society to survive these days. Middle ages had different sets of moral values for reason.

We can't apply modern morals and values to medieval times.

Whole this morale debate is the reason why I hate isekai heroes who goes to middle ages and think that they really can insert modern moral values to the world when in reality it wouldn't be possible. It is same bullshit like when hero introduces Japanese cuisines to that world like it is something groundbreaking. I think it is little boring when we try to insert our modern moral values to the these fantasy settings when whole fantasy would be so much better if there were totally different moral values.

There is reason why medieval world law & justice system where so brutally in past. There were no modern police with CCTV, fingerprint analysis or educated detectives etc. Basically societies were hold up together by fear of leaders and fear of law. Sometimes innocents were killed in name of law & order. We in modern age have hard time to understand this but that time it is best what civilization could do to keep things running. At that time it was justified just like in Ancient Roman times slaves were justified by basically everyone. Moral back then reflected times and needs of society. Also child-labor was common because society was so poor that everyone had to pitch in for it or die away.

That what isekais stories where modern people end up in some fantasy medieval world don't get. They think that they can change world and educate world with modern morals. That is not how world really works. For example there was time when Roman Republic tried to reduce using slaves so to reduce unemployment but just ended in disaster. Rome was too big and too dependable for slaves and it was build to function with slaves. Basically nobody wanted to end slavery because basically those Ancient kingdoms/empires wouldn't exists without slavery. Also basically moral attitude toward using slave was not seen as wrong thing to do.


And of course Cayna could play as babysitter for him but would she want to? Would she want to do that? What about the next evil person. Would she really have to force herself to be some sort of psychologist for misbehaving super people. Also is there even quarantine that whole arrangement would be acceptable by society? Society as whole could just want trial & execution.
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Everyone debating about killing the kid or not because of moral, but something more than that bothers me:
Why the hell isn't she interrogating him? Asking him about his experience of the whole mess she's in. Was'nt that the main reason she looked for other players? Actually, the kid didn't notice he can't log out? This ep was really bad in terms of plot holes/consistency. I usually don't mind them in turn-off-brain shows but this really stuck out...
How does this have 7.16 I have no idea, but each ep feels more and more inconsistent... :/
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Zefyris said:
Harucchan said:
I do have to say: I was a bit troubled with Cayna wanting to kill a kid player who didn't even know he was in a real world. Of course, he's responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people... Still, he had no idea what he was doing (plus he's a kid) - death just seems a bit too far. Honestly, I blame the author for creating this ridiculous situation. There's no good way out of it. Someone who read the source please tell me what happened to the kid? I'm curious/worried hahaha.


Muzan2020 said:

Totally agree here, yall are so messed up and cruel, saying kill the kid like it wasnt a big deal.

so what would you do instead then? Chain the kid for a few centuries making sure he cannot move an arm or feet? leave him be hoping that he doesn't throw a tantrum as a kid and start wiping out the population of that country, including her own family member?

That "poor kid" has probably killed a hundred or more innocents by now. He was scared of Keina, but what would he do the moment he knows she's no longer around?

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So then she walking around not finding anything or anyone similar to her situation until this kid demon pops up and she doesn't even ask any questions!!! Like what the hell??!!!?? !

that kid doesn't even realize he's no longer simply playing the game. So he's got literally no clue about what's going on, even less than Keina. That means he obviously has no recollection of dying, or anything out of the ordinary happening. How could he answer a question about his circumstances for landing into another world if he didn't even have a clue for probably months or years that he was no longer simply in a game?


Dude your getting way to profound about this dumb show. Besides the kid seemed to know who Cayna was as a major player so she could have asked other simple questions like.
Have you seen other players here.
Have you found any other towers.
How long have you been playing the game.
What was you life like before the game.
What were you doing before you logged in.
Soooooo many other questions.

This show is dumb dude!
Also everyone debating the should she kill the kid or was she right to think that way. Just stop this show is idiotic and definitely not thinking to hard about the shit they are throwing into this show. Def not thinking about some morality philosophical conundrum....while looking like a 2003 Sunday morning anime, where "you say thing I don't like me shoot big magic grrr" is the main girls thought patter.
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hakaihisaki said:
Everyone debating about killing the kid or not because of moral, but something more than that bothers me:
Why the hell isn't she interrogating him? Asking him about his experience of the whole mess she's in. Was'nt that the main reason she looked for other players? Actually, the kid didn't notice he can't log out? This ep was really bad in terms of plot holes/consistency. I usually don't mind them in turn-off-brain shows but this really stuck out...
How does this have 7.16 I have no idea, but each ep feels more and more inconsistent... :/
I can't understand why this show has as high a rating as it does!

Its incredibly boring, which is fine for a turn your brain off and watch dumb shit happen slice of life show like this but man it does not deserve anything north of a 6 overall rating.

Ok last criticism, so Cayna wakes up in this world and knows she must have died but somehow is in the game. That's some real world shattering anime style plot that even if it happens to me who watches this stuff would at least be thrown for a loop like holy shit this is really happening. So then she walking around not finding anything or anyone similar to her situation until this kid demon pops up and she doesn't even ask any questions!!! Like what the hell??!!!??
Hey here's someone that's in my situation let's not ask what the last thing he remembers is. Or how he got into the game, If he's met any other players, if he has any info at all about what the fuck is going on!
Nope let's....kill him.......huuuuuh?!
So fucking stupid, your mad at this kid for not believing this isnt a game but a real world that's like the game, but how can you be surprised when You're probably the first person he's met in his situation. Some one was drinking tard juice when they wrote this episode up!


That's what I said in an earlier post and stick by it.
Also this show is to dumb to debate questions about human morality. They probably just threw that scene in there randomly while writing the script the last deadline day after having been drinking all night.

"Uhhhh ok how about some rock things walk out she does a big bang magic trick, then defeats bandits with big bang magic trick, have her almost kill the kid player, she finds a fairy and yeah we're good......send it to the animators!"

This show is so dumb they had the episode before about how conflicted she felt about having killed the bandits in the forest because that's the first time she's killing a "person" Even though it's a bunch of people from the game/new world.
But then in this episode she's like I'm just going to murder this kid who is an actual person from my world/now person from this world.......this show is baaaaad. 2/10
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So first the MC is sad due to there being no other players. Then she finds out there are other players, and instead of being happy she goes straight to execution. I know the other player was a dick and tried to kill her kid, but seriously at least she should be somewhat happy now that she knows she isn't alone.
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After this episode it's obvious Cayna is only looking for players that were her friends. She doesn't give a flying rat's butt to other players. It's actually kind of understandable as even in real life there are people who only care about their family and friends. They don't really care about strangers, because they're just strangers. Why care about someone you don't know? And in Cayna's case, that random stranger was about to kill one of her family members/people dear to her/she feels connected to. Not all people can forgive such a thing or have a strong sense of justice -like her granddaughter. It actually takes a lot of even in real life to forgive murderers -especially if they kill someone you care about/are close to you. But I think the reason why people are so upset about this 'twist' (me including) is that the anime appeared as this season's wholesome one. Everything, starting from animation technique to op and ed is described as cute, wholesome anime that can make you forget for a moment real life...but then it pulls a twist like this, reminding you life isn't always a bed of roses. While adding twists in anime is fine, I feel like it's done VERY poorly in this...
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phantomfandom said:
Look can be deceiving. At first Cayna was portrayed as poor disabled girl with kindheart, turns out she's a tyranny that doesn't afraid to kill a kid. It should use this to promote because many people love to see a real evil MC, but I'm not one of those people.
she isn't evil, she is punishing evil and being pragmatic. That kid had likely murdered multiple people, I thought it was a game excuse ain't gonna cut it when you're told the truth and then ignore it. add on to that the fact he had out levelled even high level NPCs capture isn't really an option. That punishment collar was an ass pull.
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