Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyousoukyoku Episode 10 Discussion

TigersAndDragons said:
Not the most exciting or entertaining anime, not by far, but I'll be damned if that wasn't relaxing.

TsundeReaper said:

@AweMuse Satou is different than Undead King and Arisa. Satou wasn't summoned nor reincarnated as explained by Arisa episodes ago

UImoetard said:
It's stupid how Satou would now, at episode 10, decide to learn about his gaming mechanics. And what is the point of trying to remove salt from salt water? He already has the bottomless water pouch. No one is questioning how the "merchant" Satou seems to have endless amount of money and never attempted to buy merch for trading.

TsundeReaper said:
Is Satou an idiot, he was already warned about reincarnated people being ended up being cursed for using unique spells yet Satou wouldn't stop Arisa for using such spells nor even warn her smfh

AweMuse said:

Honestly, this is something that someone in his profession would logically (after securing a safe spot ) take an hour or two to familiarize oneself with the UI/tools/inventory available before even heading into the city.

However - as an anime adaptation for viewing purposes, plot development is necessary to keep the show running while keeping mechanics & things of that nature on the back burner/lower on priority.

The show has been throwing in tid bits of mechanics as it progresses, but it's hard to balance plot/character development while expressing the deep nature of how things work all together in a 20 minute time span. As a result, he's taken the route of /learning as he goes/ approach.
For this reason the LN would certainly help elaborate, as you're given more freedom in direction for extrapolating information at your leisure while gaining more insight to Satou's thought process & development.

UImoetard said:
It's stupid how Satou would now, at episode 10, decide to learn about his gaming mechanics. And what is the point of trying to remove salt from salt water? He already has the bottomless water pouch. No one is questioning how the "merchant" Satou seems to have endless amount of money and never attempted to buy merch for trading.

evoniee said:
Its quite nice. i hate it when they tryharding to make the action scene look good.
BTW, i dont understand why they make the skill point 99+, rather show it clearly.
And the ability point is maxed out all 999, so whats the function of the ability point if it level-up as the character level? the game design so bad.

dont take it seriously, im fine with it, i just dont like the game mechanics (smiley face)

4kicks said:
"Horrible" subs of the week:

Goodbye "young organisms", you've been downgraded to "larval" creatures: gross squirming worms before they become creepy crawly insects that are not cute at all.

The translator/subber of this series needs to be fired already.

ten said:
Worst episode so far. They do all these useless stuff not progressing the story at all. Ok, they had this shrine bit, but hello, it's already 10th episode, two more left.. and he is still exploring his storage? Seriously? I guess, the only thing that grows in this story is the number of girls.

Starhammer said:


Just to let you know,thats how Nana said it in the LN too,so really,not the subbers fault.
Made me laugh though :)

4kicks said:


Sigh...

No.

Nana does not say "larval" in the LN, or the anime, at least not in original Japanese for either.

TL;DR
- 幼虫: Yochu (what she didn't say) = Larval

- 幼生体: Yoseitai (what she said)
幼(Yo: Young), 生(Se: Living/raw), 体 (Tai: Body/being/creature..etc)

Young-living-being = Young organism, or just Young being, which works as 3 syllables if they were trying to dub this too.

Both official LN translation and anime subs are wrong.
...................
Long version:
Alright, I'm going to do a deep dive for this to explain what's what, and why the translators of BOTH the LN and anime subs are wrong; as well as how how this miscommunication that led to this confusion between the original creators and the translators likely came to be. If I was a youtuber, this would be one of those "X Explained" videos, but for linguistics.

Terms:
larval = 幼虫 (Yochu) Obviously wrong because they didn't use that, if you heard what Nana said in the audio. You can clearly hear the subtle tonal emphasis between when she says "Yo~seitai"....please relisten for yourself, as this point will be important later in this post. The kanji they used was as follows:

幼生体
幼生体
Yō-sei-tai
幼(Yo: Young), 生(Se: Living/raw), 体 (Tai: Body/being/creature..etc)

Young-living-being = Young organism.

Common knowledge of kanji/Chinese characters is they have multiple sayings depending on context. So 幼生 can also be read as "osanai", which translates to very young. THAT is what the text printed says, and it's core meaning.

So, when you put those three kanji together you get "Yo-seitai" or "Yoseitai" (but not "Yose tai"; will get back to later), which directly translates to, you've guessed it, "Young Organism".

............
So now you might ask, how did this confusion come about? Glad you asked.

The reason is in both the original LN Japanese raw, manga (which is adapted from the LN), and most likely the anime dialogue script as well; they put the hiragana next to the kanji. It's meant to make it easier for people with trouble reading difficult/understanding kanji, particular a younger audience (even Japanese adults can have trouble with kanji sometimes). So while the pronounciation is identical, the underlying meaning behind the kanji is what gives it it's true meaning. If you were to only translate the hiragana, with zero regard to the kanji, then you'd get a crappy Google translation that has a hard time understanding nuances and translates everything literally...in this case, "larva/larval"

In the full sentence text, it reads: "Kono yo-seitai (osana-tai) wa hogo suribeki to shingen shimasu".

Now back to the cause of the confusion, why it's not "yose tai" differentiad by the space. It is different from "yo seitai/yoseitai" because while the former means larval in English, that is the literal translation (abviously not meant to be taken literally). It should be noted that putting kanji next to each other, and spaces between them; it is a very important thing which can change it's entire meaning. It's like if you forget a comma between "Let's eat, Grandma" with "Let's eat Grandma", but I digress. So that means the space between "yose itai" is like saying "yose/yosei" which has multiple meanings, like fairy, and you've guessed it; larval--when reverse transliterated back into different kanji, thereby changing it to a different meaning to the original text.

And therein lies the cause of the confusion, the (likely) reason for the mistake and miscommunication between the original creators and translator(s). There's a chance that the official anime subbers got a guide or something similar to reference from the LN, so the error trickled down from the top. If I were to make a bet, the translators are likely not native Japanese, or they are, but not as proficient in English...because your average native Japanese reading this series/watching this anime, would not make this beginner's mistake, which even me, someone who is only a beginner at Japanese (native Chinese-American) can perfectly understand.

So there you have it. A proven mistake made by people who get paid for this, being properly corrected by some shmuck with too much time on their hands on the internet...but a dedicated fan of the series nonetheless, who just happens to be a Grammar Nazi in both Japanese and English.

Feel free to spread this post around the interwebs...maybe the people localizing the LN in English and the anime subbers will take note of this and change their jarring errors.

I also made a critique on the episode where the elf Yuya was incorrectly introduced as a "spirit" instead of "fairy", where they likely misheard "Yosei" with "Seirei".

Kamereon-senpai said:
Watch people eating, the anime.