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Dec 7, 2016 9:44 AM
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AstrosDec 18, 2016 7:07 AM
Dec 17, 2016 2:37 PM
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Not sure if Aussprache if the right word for this thread. Anyways. We should kill Gruffin/Kit/Logic. They are clearly the pillars of this game right now. |
Dec 17, 2016 3:16 PM
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Chione said: No one has hardly used it so not a problem =/. I'm open to suggestions though.Not sure if Aussprache if the right word for this thread. |
Dec 17, 2016 7:46 PM
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Chione said: teach me german XDNot sure if Aussprache if the right word for this thread. Anyways. We should kill Gruffin/Kit/Logic. They are clearly the pillars of this game right now. Logic/Kit/Gruffin and me made a formidable team. now it's me against them xD I feel this is gonna break down my strong towngame but lol, I love challenges~ Kit is suspecting Togs atm, we should take him out. Gruffin and Kit are suspecting me so eh, I'll just go with it. Denja, Gruffin and me know Denja's plan, so we should all stay alive. if Gruffin dies Denja will go after me >.> Kit needs to go down |
Dec 18, 2016 1:02 AM
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Astros said: Chione said: No one has hardly used it so not a problem =/. I'm open to suggestions though.Not sure if Aussprache if the right word for this thread. Hmm, Aussprache means pronunciation. I'm not sure if you intended that ^^' Maybe something more game related would be interesting, like Planung (planning)? Or maybe Hauptquartier (headquarter) :D Phraze said: Chione said: teach me german XDNot sure if Aussprache if the right word for this thread. Anyways. We should kill Gruffin/Kit/Logic. They are clearly the pillars of this game right now. Logic/Kit/Gruffin and me made a formidable team. now it's me against them xD I feel this is gonna break down my strong towngame but lol, I love challenges~ Kit is suspecting Togs atm, we should take him out. Gruffin and Kit are suspecting me so eh, I'll just go with it. Denja, Gruffin and me know Denja's plan, so we should all stay alive. if Gruffin dies Denja will go after me >.> Kit needs to go down Hmm, yeah, Kit seems like a nice choice, he's the right hand man of Gruffin by making him look at the things he himself missed. Gruffin might be lost without him. I'm still confused about the whole Denja Gruffin you plan, but I guess I'll trust you on that one. |
Dec 18, 2016 1:03 AM
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On another note, I wouldn't mind killing an inactive either though. Gonna be Jack-like :D |
Dec 18, 2016 7:06 AM
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Chione said: With that in mind I think I know where I went wrong. Hmm, Aussprache means pronunciation. I'm not sure if you intended that ^^' Maybe something more game related would be interesting, like Planung (planning)? Or maybe Hauptquartier (headquarter) :D http://dictionary.reverso.net/german-english/Aussprache Discussion would be Meinungsaustausch? |
Dec 18, 2016 8:16 AM
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Astros said: Chione said: With that in mind I think I know where I went wrong. Hmm, Aussprache means pronunciation. I'm not sure if you intended that ^^' Maybe something more game related would be interesting, like Planung (planning)? Or maybe Hauptquartier (headquarter) :D http://dictionary.reverso.net/german-english/Aussprache Discussion would be Meinungsaustausch? Yep, that'd be a good translation. |
Dec 20, 2016 4:43 AM
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Guys, NK strat for this game is easy, just kill the pocketed town. I would've gone with Gruff last night for Chione's sake, but enh |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 20, 2016 4:58 AM
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@Chione Hmm, yeah, Kit seems like a nice choice, he's the right hand man of Gruffin by making him look at the things he himself missed. Gruffin might be lost without him. I'm still confused about the whole Denja Gruffin you plan, but I guess I'll trust you on that one. Gruffin/Denja/Phraze all know what Denja is planning, I gave Gruffin the clue. so the ones who know is us 3. if I get lynched, time to take Gruffin out. Denja gets the boot.Interesting strategy. Though sacrificing Togs shouldn't be our first plan xD kinda thinking me or Togs should be lynched. I've been careful with my posts so I'll come off as a stronger townread with 3 scum in the search. I also made myself out as having a a plan, so lynching me is like a townie thing to do lol. Togs hasn't thrown doubt around yet, so the most useful lynch would be me. but ofc, I can argue my way around the others if I survive. we can use the 3 scum team excuse later. haven't interacted with the scumteam so as...a dead townie, they'll be last on the list if we do it right. honestly tho, I make the best sacrifice for my faction as usual hahaCareful, Phraze. I think our voting patterns are starting to get too similar. @LucianRoy Kit was on Togs, the discredit would be bad for our 3 scum theory later. |
Dec 20, 2016 5:42 AM
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and if I get lynched then guess I'll dump my findings here now... town prob got flavor text in their roles, that's the only claim they got. the questions Denja asked me were pretty...easy to notice. he asked dif questions from Logic, so I knew it had no answer aka a bluff. I've been playing along with Denja's game tho, so I think he doubts me to some extent. I bluffed that I knew he was bluffing. dunno but I think Denja wants to lynch me....since I said I got a plan with my lynch. Denja's gonna bluff that there should be 4 scum or something later lol.. bluff game ~.~ just establish a 3 scum theory and lynch one of our guys. we could lynch Togs and say he was town. or we could lynch me and say I was very town afterall. follow reads and mislynch. Denja will want our search shots used on players who gave most information. so we need to keep that under control. that's his plan for the search shots. he wants to confirm at least 1 scum for VCA or something. we need to watch out for the timing of a 'confirmed' scum. but definitely must lynch 1 scumbud first for the 3 scum theory. helps them waste a search shot. |
Dec 20, 2016 6:53 AM
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LucianRoy said: Guys, NK strat for this game is easy, just kill the pocketed town. I would've gone with Gruff last night for Chione's sake, but enh Eh, it's ok. I'm not the one who needs the most protection atm. Not really in favor of lynching my own teammates, though gotta see first what has been posted so far. Also, comment history (read from bottom to top) Astros | 1 hour ago I'm going to be disabling comments at the start of the next phase. While I'm not against the occasional use, I do not like how the entire team's discussion has taken place within them. Especially since there are threads purposed for such which are superior in function. Be sure to copy and paste what comments you wish to save before they're gone.  Chione | 4 hours ago Interesting strategy. Though sacrificing Togs shouldn't be our first plan xD Careful, Phraze. I think our voting patterns are starting to get too similar. Delete  Chione | 4 hours ago It's you, Me, Phraze and Togs. No Jack. Delete  LucianRoy | 4 hours ago That's a big team, damn. How much time we got? We might be able to avoid bussing if we have over 24 hrs.  LucianRoy | 4 hours ago oh wait, and togs, Ok, got it  Phraze | 4 hours ago time to see our new bud~ oh and we should vote for Togs. it'll cut the search down to 3 scum. the 3/4 scum numbers is a hot topic for this town, so we should lynch 1 of our buds before search can start. and they're gonna do a search party if someone is lynched.  LucianRoy | 4 hours ago so, people on our team are Chione, Jack, Phraze, and me? Just checking.  Chione | 4 hours ago Don't vote for Karote or KOtA Try to get Gruffin and maybe Logic and Penta on your side. If you can do that then we should be unstoppable Don't go too much against Denja. Idk what peeps are talking about but apparently he's getting protected by the most towniest players Delete  LucianRoy | 5 hours ago Hey guys, gotta do a bit o that catching up Anything I should know from the get go?  Chione | 5 hours ago Lucy~ Delete  Phraze | Yesterday, 4:35 AM yes stupid work haha bump desu~ heil hitlar xD  Shinichi-Kun | Dec 17, 4:46 PM i was looking forward to being scum with you and phraze too >3>. Stupid work lol  Chione | Dec 17, 4:44 PM Oh gawd. That's so confusing. I wouldn't suggest Denja as our first target anyways. He's experienced, but certainly not a town read for people. Better to leave him alone, no one's understanding his crazy shinanegans anyways xD Town still doesn't has their guts together. This game just has too many unconventional players and inactives. Sometimes, it's good to have such unconventional players in a game, but here it's really just hurting town with the many inactives. Especially a clear leader is missing, someone who can read the situation and tell that something is weird and that they're still stuck on the same page as they've been hours ago AND can actually calls people to change something about it. Gruffin is kind of the leader right now but it seems like he still lacks some of this. I think he's gonna become a great player if he can get more experience, but this shouldn't be too much of a problem now. Same with Kit and logic. I wonder when they're actually gonna realize that they've been stuck on Carrot for like 40 hours lol. Pretty chill right now for us, though it's probably gonna change shortly before the phase change. Stay safe guys. Delete  Phraze | Dec 17, 4:12 PM Denja asked how we plan search parties. he knew scum will suggest ideas so we'll use up those 3 shots faster. Ruu/Chione/Kit all wanted to use it on N2, he suggested N3. I knew he wanted that answer so I just gave it to him, and suggested N1 lol. the confusing part is I knew his plan, that's why Gruffin doesn't know what to think about me...cuz the plan didn't fish me. I even hinted the plan to Gruffin too...that's why it's confusing idm framing Denja after first shot used tho, to be on safe side Denja will totally suggest we use our shot if he's lynched, so I'll wait for 1 search shot to be used first. nowww the only thing making me suspicious is that no one is suspecting me, but Gruffin and Kit suspect me. I'm coming off as town that scum is trying to buy? gonna go with that. in fact, just leave me alone cuz less association the better(crazy player)  Chione | Dec 17, 3:36 PM which plan? o.O Gotta see who I vote for, though I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be Carrot. Delete  Phraze | Dec 17, 1:30 PM I think we can't kill Denja, Gruffin will follow through his plan if he dies. can't kill Kota/Karote too. but Denja will suggest N2 search after whoever gets lynched D2. hmmmm... everyone vote Karote? I will stick on Kota. wonder if ppl will expect 3 scum on 1 train? o3o would be the wagon is suspected, or me and other ppl suspected. //minirant over  Chione | Dec 17, 9:27 AM But you're doing so good in this game :T I wanted to see a good scum game from you >.< Good luck with your job! Delete  Phraze | Dec 17, 7:32 AM that means Alice will be scum...? o.o; good luck on the job~  Shinichi-Kun | Dec 17, 7:07 AM having astro replace me, because i will be way to busy next week to give this game my all.  Phraze | Dec 16, 9:00 AM I know town will wanna spill my guts eventually lol. it's like killing one to save the rest >.> tho I could keep hunting the bs and keep myself alive, aka I'll be suspicious but not lynched. fits why I'll survive NKs.. until town just takes me down in desperation xD @Shinichi-Kun crazy sound cool oh yeah I identify as a crazy too :P Shinichi-Kun | Dec 16, 5:46 AM @phraze why am i a creazy person lol  Togs | Dec 15, 9:46 PM Yeah so since this game is mountainous the town have to all be really coordinated to beat us since we can snipe the best player every time. I'm surprised we are allowed to have a fourth member but I think with this setup we could be able to win pretty handily. Kind of takes the sting off rolling scum I guess which I really hate by the way.  Phraze | Dec 15, 6:44 PM ok here goes our strat: (someone pls handle the mechanics..I suck at mechanics) crazy players Denja Ruu Rinto Karote Shad Shinichi(scumbud) ignore these and go for the other townies russians, they'll be looking into this list alot so it'll make them suspicious eventually. at least that's how I'll play..only 1 scumbud in there so there' no worries of defending this pool of players  Chione | Dec 15, 5:00 PM Yes, mein Führer! Delete  Astros | Dec 15, 4:43 PM It is never enough for ein Volk.  Chione | Dec 15, 4:37 PM I'm bringing German flair into this. Is that not enough already? :') Delete  Astros | Dec 15, 4:36 PM Only a few phrases, but I'm learning >.>.  Chione | Dec 15, 4:35 PM @Astros can you speak German? :O Delete  Astros | Dec 15, 4:35 PM Unverschämtheit! Think what you can do for your faction not what it can do for you.  Chione | Dec 15, 4:34 PM Jack always brings it to the point lol. Nice, I thought there'd only be 3 scum. @Togs got any guides for us? Delete  Togs | Dec 15, 4:33 PM We should have a pretty overwhelming role advantage in this setup.  Phraze | Dec 15, 4:30 PM gotta say tho, my chance as mafia and I'm still vanilla... vanilla curse  Phraze | Dec 15, 4:24 PM @Shinichi-Kun ur here~ and dw I will try keep u alive. fighting bs is the only thing I can do as scum now XD  Jackrito | Dec 15, 4:16 PM i'm not saying it is your fault, some people are just biased though and things tend to repeat.  Phraze | Dec 15, 4:16 PM I guess a scapegoat and a lurker makes some of the best live arsenal at our disposal.. esp since we're in communist country...  Shinichi-Kun | Dec 15, 4:14 PM that is plain rude jack >3>  Jackrito | Dec 15, 3:51 PM lol you know what it means.  Togs | Dec 15, 3:48 PM What's that supposed to mean lol  Jackrito | Dec 15, 3:47 PM Chione is really good as scum and Togs can be if he has time. Shinichi will likely die though just because that always happens. So You should not be worried Phraze  Astros | Dec 15, 3:43 PM This is no time to fear the enemy. They trembled under the Blitzkrieg, they will tremble again! Blut und Boden!  Phraze | Dec 15, 3:33 PM oh my gawd... nobody is able to carry the team through this time lol ok our mission is to fade into the scenery, all the smarts are on the other side ayyy  Chione | Dec 15, 3:13 PM Oh shit. It's Kaito's eternal scum curse. Rip Shinichi. Delete  Jackrito | Dec 15, 3:11 PM Ok it is Togs and Shinchi-kun  Phraze | Dec 15, 3:09 PM @Jackrito yess pls~ they're prob gonna take a while to get here >.>  Jackrito | Dec 15, 2:11 PM I can tell you the other 2 if you want.  Phraze | Dec 15, 1:45 PM haha scum is always more fun than town, cuz u don't have to watch what u say xD I can describe myself as too confident until ppl wanna see my guts...no death reveal will help I guess '-' I need to know my buddies....pls let it be Logic..or maybe not lol he will freak out too easily xDD do we have anyone who knows how to NK ppl? cuz idk how we go about that besides randomness haha  Chione | Dec 15, 12:36 PM No worries, you'll be fine :3 being scum can actually be fun, and I think it'll be especially interesting in this set up with no death reveal. Would you describe yourself as being a confident player? Delete  Phraze | Dec 15, 11:51 AM kek. time to bring down le motherland XD I'm super curious to how I will behave as scum *prepares to self-examine* this should be easy... >w>  Chione | Dec 15, 11:01 AM Very nice club, really gives it a German feel ^^ |
Dec 20, 2016 8:22 AM
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Dec 20, 2016 8:23 AM
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Dec 20, 2016 8:36 AM
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Dec 20, 2016 8:37 AM
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Hey guys, lynch chad |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 20, 2016 8:47 AM
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lololol Penta's giving Togs the town card. We'll get you through Toggicchi. Though I feel bad for Penta, both of his town reads are scum. rip |
Dec 20, 2016 9:02 AM
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SHIT DID I JUST KILL PHRAZE imsorryimsorryimsorryimsorryimsorryimsorryimsorryimsorryimsorryimsorry pls forgive me ;-; im off burying myself now. |
Dec 20, 2016 9:03 AM
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whyyyyyy |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 20, 2016 9:05 AM
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I wanted a no lynch damn I'm so stupid ;____________________________________________; |
Dec 20, 2016 9:08 AM
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Plan B, lynch penta tomorrow. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 20, 2016 9:17 AM
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Welp, I have no clue what this flavor thing is about but that hit us hard. We could have gotten through with the shad lynch if not for that, urgh. |
Dec 20, 2016 9:18 AM
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Yeah we are still in this. It's ok Chione I actually thought you made a tie too ;-; After the nk we'll be sitting at 12 players with 3 scum, which is still highly favorable. As for lynchable players, Kota, Karote are getting some pressure now, Soda and Luna are gone but Luna may be replaced (If it's by Alice we might have troubles), Penta Shad Ruu and Rinto we might be able to manage too. We only need 3 lynches to win at this point. |
Dec 20, 2016 9:29 AM
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I think we should be good by suggesting a search party. It should clear up Togs and me if we manipulate the analysis of the train to our favor. Only person on the loose after that would be Lucy, it should be easy to wing that. It doesn't look like Alice can replace into this, cause she knows the original number of scum. Since one scum was just lynched, town doesn't know the original number of scum that was lynched and has no way to get to know it. Welp, I wanted to see if I would be able to manipulate her with my scum play this time :T Who do you guys want to kill? Gruffin/Denja/shad(/logic)? |
Dec 20, 2016 9:32 AM
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Chione said: What confuses you?Welp, I have no clue what this flavor thing is about but that hit us hard. We could have gotten through with the shad lynch if not for that, urgh. |
Dec 20, 2016 9:34 AM
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Thank god about Alice then lol. Hmm about the nightkill Gruffin or Denja seem like good options. I'm slightly preferring Gruffin over Logic because Logic seems to have it out for Penta which could seem fruitful, also poor Gruffin seems tired with the game ;-; Denja I'm mentioning because if he really does have a flavor exploit that would suck for us. Would like to hear your opinions as well. |
Dec 20, 2016 9:35 AM
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Go for he search party. It's good that some scum stayed off the wagon so we can be in a more favorable position in the late game. All in all, this might've worked out in our favor. The world's not ending. But Srs, kill Gruff |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 20, 2016 9:37 AM
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Astros said: idk, basically everything. I don't know if Denja and Gruffin are actually bluffing or not, if there's anything in the citizen identification that makes them able to spot their own. I guess I'm better off not thinking about it xDChione said: What confuses you?Welp, I have no clue what this flavor thing is about but that hit us hard. We could have gotten through with the shad lynch if not for that, urgh. Just one question though, Denja is not exploiting a loophole, is he? |
Dec 20, 2016 9:39 AM
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Chione said: Well, the flavor isn't meant to be clear cut, but I thought it was worded to be fairly clear of what events were taking place. Astros said: idk, basically everything. I don't know if Denja and Gruffin are actually bluffing or not, if there's anything in the citizen identification that makes them able to spot their own. I guess I'm better off not thinking about it xDChione said: Welp, I have no clue what this flavor thing is about but that hit us hard. We could have gotten through with the shad lynch if not for that, urgh. Just one question though, Denja is not exploiting a loophole, is he? I'm not sure of your question. Is there somewhere you think he's exploiting a loophole? To my knowledge no, but I have not been keeping up with the thread aside from making phase changes. |
Dec 20, 2016 9:46 AM
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Togs said: Hmm about the nightkill Gruffin or Denja seem like good options. I'm slightly preferring Gruffin over Logic because Logic seems to have it out for Penta which could seem fruitful, also poor Gruffin seems tired with the game ;-; Denja I'm mentioning because if he really does have a flavor exploit that would suck for us. Would like to hear your opinions as well. I also would be in favor of keeping logic, we can also frame him later if needed. He had some weirdish moments so this shouldn't be too difficult. Well, it shouldn't matter whom of the two we kill since they are seemingly both aware of "the plan". Togs said: Also, Toggicchi ? : 3 hehe :P LucianRoy said: Go for he search party. It's good that some scum stayed off the wagon so we can be in a more favorable position in the late game. All in all, this might've worked out in our favor. The world's not ending. But Srs, kill Gruff Kay, let's do this. Astros said: Chione said: Well, the flavor isn't meant to be clear cut, but I thought it was worded to be fairly clear of what events were taking place. Astros said: Chione said: What confuses you?Welp, I have no clue what this flavor thing is about but that hit us hard. We could have gotten through with the shad lynch if not for that, urgh. Just one question though, Denja is not exploiting a loophole, is he? I'm not sure of your question. Is there somewhere you think he's exploiting a loophole? To my knowledge no, but I have not been keeping up with the thread aside from making phase changes. Oh LOL. Well, from what I assume, Denja is using the role PM to identify players who might have the same as him. (You don't need to give me an answer if there's nothing wrong with this) |
Dec 20, 2016 10:09 AM
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Chione said: Oh LOL. Well, from what I assume, Denja is using the role PM to identify players who might have the same as him. (You don't need to give me an answer if there's nothing wrong with this) Do not quote, copy and paste or screenshot any PMs sent from the host. Western propaganda will not be tolerated. As long as they did none of the above it's fine. A real scenario to compare with would be villagers checking and comparing IDs/Passports. |
Dec 20, 2016 10:25 AM
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Astros said: Chione said: Oh LOL. Well, from what I assume, Denja is using the role PM to identify players who might have the same as him. (You don't need to give me an answer if there's nothing wrong with this) Do not quote, copy and paste or screenshot any PMs sent from the host. Western propaganda will not be tolerated. As long as they did none of the above it's fine. A real scenario to compare with would be villagers checking and comparing IDs/Passports. Alright! |
Dec 20, 2016 10:39 AM
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Chione, why u take Penta's side. I thought plan b was to lynch penta? |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 20, 2016 10:41 AM
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Astros said: Chione said: Oh LOL. Well, from what I assume, Denja is using the role PM to identify players who might have the same as him. (You don't need to give me an answer if there's nothing wrong with this) Do not quote, copy and paste or screenshot any PMs sent from the host. Western propaganda will not be tolerated. As long as they did none of the above it's fine. A real scenario to compare with would be villagers checking and comparing IDs/Passports. To remove this we could give scum a example of the town PM, but not sure if that is needed, I did not expect people to do that as a way to find scum, it is not strictly cheating just a bit cheap so your call. |
Dec 20, 2016 11:06 AM
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I was debating whether or not my vote at the EoD was necessary or not. (Turns out it coulda been handy earlier), but aside from that I decided that voting would be seen as more pro-town than abstaining while you're in the thread at EoD. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 20, 2016 11:27 AM
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LucianRoy said: Chione, why u take Penta's side. I thought plan b was to lynch penta? Not taking his side, lol. No worries. |
Dec 20, 2016 5:10 PM
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I should come up with something tonight so I'm not dead weight again tomorrow. Note to self? |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 21, 2016 9:22 AM
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Glad we didn't search, all these mod kills will muddle their interpretations... I hope. But we still gotta use these things up somehow. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 21, 2016 2:50 PM
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Change of plans, D3 lynch looking likely to end in KOtA at this point in time? That would be cool. Fine with a Karote or Penta lynch too if he can dig his own grave deeper. D4 lynch: Denja. But to do this would require a search party tonight so we can blame him for sheeping Gruff's read on Kota and stuff like that. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 21, 2016 2:55 PM
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Hey hey, we kind've have logic pocketed rn, we shouldn't kill him tonight, and go for somebody that throws them off a bit. I'm thinking something along the lines of either Rinto-kun or maybe even Karote depending on the results of today. Whatcha think? |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 21, 2016 3:02 PM
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Also, would be stellar if we could somehow lynch Karote before we consider Shad as a viable NK. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 21, 2016 3:58 PM
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Penta's just scumreading the two exact people I want lynched. Awesome. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 22, 2016 5:49 AM
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Great, not only logic but we got Karote mostly on our side as well. Everything's going good so far. LucianRoy said: Hey hey, we kind've have logic pocketed rn, we shouldn't kill him tonight, and go for somebody that throws them off a bit. I'm thinking something along the lines of either Rinto-kun or maybe even Karote depending on the results of today. Whatcha think? I actually thought of NKing Denja, cause despite the occasional "scum" reads he gets from peeps he's mostly protected by logic, which is why he's like untouchable. It's a bit bothersome. Same with shad. |
Dec 22, 2016 8:27 AM
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Yeah, I'm having trouble pushing Denja. We should probably get him next. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 22, 2016 9:53 AM
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Ok, ideal plan: We lynch Kota today if we get Karot's vote, but we gotta push hard. We kill denja N3, and Soda is modkilled. We make Penta look bad D4 and end up lynching him. We kill whoever we want and win! |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Dec 23, 2016 4:04 AM
#49
Actually, we can lynch Penta as well today, whatever works best. As long as we can keep them from lynching Togs. |
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