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PlateAug 19, 2009 10:37 AM
| Here's the 2chan link: http://dec.2chan.net/18/res/9187882.htm |
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Oh look, a bunch of text you can't read and a bunch of screencaps without any dialog or real contextual information. |
| Is there a link to watch it? From the screenshots, it looks epic. And wow, there actually IS red text. I wasn't sure how they were going to handle that. EDIT: damnit, censoring :( |
Gar_LoganAug 19, 2009 10:30 AM
hikky said: Oh look, a bunch of text you can't read and a bunch of screencaps without any dialog or real contextual information. Don't like it, don't look. Unlike you, some people understand the text and/or are satisfied with screencaps. |
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Kirche said: Don't like it, don't look. Unlike you, some people understand the text and/or are satisfied with screencaps. Unfortunately this is an anime discussion thread and not a 2ch thread discussion thread. Unlike you, some people watched it when it aired. GarLogan78 said: Is there a link to watch it? Why would there be? |
Plate said: GarLogan78 said: Is there a link to watch it? Why would there be? I was just wondering if it was on a streaming site yet. |
| The censorship was from the TV channel, the episode had none |
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GarLogan78 said: Plate said: GarLogan78 said: Is there a link to watch it? Why would there be? I was just wondering if it was on a streaming site yet. You chose a good place to ask, too. It's not like someone would want to discuss what happened in the episode in this topic. lotusres said: The censorship was from the TV channel, the episode had none This post only sounds ridiculous; it made perfect sense in your head. |
lotusres said: The censorship was from the TV channel, the episode had none Are you saying the station you watched it on didn't have censoring? |
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JackFrost said: I think it means that when the raws/subs comes out there won't be censorship. Similar to how Eva's outburst in episode 1 was censored on TV channels but wasn't when the raws/subs came out. That's right, people here really are sloooooooooow. If the show was the one with censorship, the use a black shadow or something, pixeling the image isn't a way to censor things, the only censorship is black shadow or BEEEEPs, pixels are usually added by TV stations, the company should be able to censor things in a more natural way |
lotusresAug 19, 2009 11:35 AM
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JackFrost said: I think it means that when the raws/subs comes out there won't be censorship. Similar to how Eva's outburst in episode 1 was censored on TV channels but wasn't when the raws/subs came out. Actually, it was censored in at least one raw as well. In this case it might be a bit different, since while it seems odd to censor relatively mild language, Japan does censor other things as a matter of law. This is somewhat irrelevant since none of us have seen a broadcast from anything but one channel, though. lotusres said: That's right, people here really are sloooooooooow no u |
| I liked this episode: the stakes of purgatory, Happy Halloween and so on. Review: Still after all I gave it 5/5 because the stakes were just awesome and Battler Wright owns and Beato was really well played this time |
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| Absolutely terrible is all I can say after watching it. Absolutely terrible. *edit* I don't think I can stand to watch them butcher it this badly anymore. I'm probably going to drop it and go cry in the corner while I wait for End of the Golden Witch. |
DrZedAug 19, 2009 12:12 PM
| only one thing to say: I liked the second twilight. Asmodeus, Satan and the Goats(I thought it was only one in the novel? I'm not too sure about that). The rest was...uhm I guess...okay.. noo...dread of the grave T_T |
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Zedrane said: Absolutely terrible is all I can say after watching it. Absolutely terrible. *edit* I don't think I can stand to watch them butcher it this badly anymore. I'm probably going to drop it and go cry in the corner while I wait for End of the Golden Witch. No offense, but that's one less person endlessly bitching. Let's see how much more shitstorming this episode will cause. ^_^ |
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BakaOnna said: Zedrane said: Absolutely terrible is all I can say after watching it. Absolutely terrible. *edit* I don't think I can stand to watch them butcher it this badly anymore. I'm probably going to drop it and go cry in the corner while I wait for End of the Golden Witch. No offense, but that's one less person endlessly bitching. Let's see how much more shitstorming this episode will cause. ^_^ I don't think I've been bitching very much at all. But whatever. |
| The meta battle is no longer a fuck yeah moment. It's reduced to a standard conversation with red text. No adrenaline pumping music, no Beatrice being cornered. She just immediately gives up. A big disappointment. On the plus side, the Kanon battle was pretty good. Although Kanon easily taking out several at once makes them seem a lot less threatening. DEEN obviously chose to focus on Kanon's fight and just tossed the meta scene on at the end. The meta scene should have been the focus of the episode. I'm greatly disappointed. But I haven't lost all hope. The next episode should have a lot more meta focus. I expect heavy backlash from VN readers though. |
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| I actually thought the meta battle was okay. Maybe I'll change my mind after seeing the subs. I really miss Dread of the Grave though Jessi and Kanon's deaths still made me cry like a baby even though I've played that part in the game so many times ;___; It was probably just because Requiem was playing Satan was awesomely awesome. I hate Asmo's voice. The goats are scary and I thought there was only supposed to be 1 goat. I think the magic fight was pretty good First twilight was awful. And they didn't even show Rosa puking and then looking to see if there was any candy in it. That was my favorite part in the VN. Rosa seemed awfully calm in the anime. I was really disappointed with this episode |
hirahiraAug 19, 2009 1:29 PM
hirahira said: First twilight was awful. And they didn't even show Rosa puking and then looking to see if there was any candy in it. That was my favorite part in the VN. This. But in overall, this ep was good. Asmo-chan's voice is perfect and I dunno why the gal above finds it bad. Satan was OK, red text was also OK, fight scenes weren't too long, Maria keeps watching Higurashi. Kids at least show some emotions while seeing their parents dead. Goats weren't so great, and the blades looked like cheap cardboard imitations with fluorescent paint on them, but it's forgiveable. A pipe conjured from mid-air - nice trick. Copperfield would be proud. Only cons: 1) I sensed some re-used animation. 2) Censorship again. 3) DEEN's week English skills have been shown in this weak's episode. |
| The main thing that bothers me in this episode is no dread of the grave and having the meta battle a few minutes too short. I don't really care about the Halloween censorship. Censorship that bad is obviously done by the station and not the studio. A better station like AT-X should air it uncensored. + Characters are finally showing good emotion over the deaths. + The fight animation was nice. Better than I expected. Some would point out that the light sword looks bad but I thought the same in SN. When I saw Kanon pull out the light sword, I wasn't thinking "awesome", I was thinking "what the hell. This is weird" + I like how they handled the red truth. Showing the words scrolling on screen with golden butterflies as a nice effect. They even used the red text sound from the game. + Beatrice has a lot of great laughs. Anybody that says that voice doesn't fit her character should be smacked. She's doing an amazing job. + The episode ended earlier than I thought, by a little. It didn't end with them discovering Jessica's corpse like I thought. Instead it ended with Rosa pulling out the gun. I'm really conflicted. This episode did a lot of things right but there was no hell yeah feeling with the meta battle. It makes me worried that future battles will lose it as well. The meta battle was the scene I was looking forward to most in this episode and DEEN instead focused on Kanon's fight. Next episode should have a lot more meta focus. Maybe I was wrong to think it would be the focus and had my expectations too high for it. I'm gonna take some time to think about it before giving it a score. |
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| I got two of my lovable Seven Stakes, nothing else matters ohohoho |
| Haven't watched the episode yet (don't understand japanese... and even though I could understand the scenes, I would feel like I'm missing something anyway), but it was to be expected that the Metaworld scene would feel weird... In the sound novel, I felt it was the BGM that made it great, while the dialog itself was Battler picking at straws and, when finally getting Beatrice to concede something, even if little, doing a victory dance on the spot XD. Of course, it's still a great scene... but it's something about the music that enhances it to 300%. |
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| This was just a OK episode. |
| WTF! The one on my site is all cencored at the gore scene?!!?!?! T_T Is that original? |
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| I call plagarism on lotusres for using Battler Wright. lol jk Time for the anime viewers to be further mind fucked. Anyways just saw the episode even though I don't any japanese, but I understood it because I played the sound novel. But the thing that bothers me like everyone else said, the main part of the freaking sound novel was downplayed. The metaworld part was condensed and the rest of it was just Kanon vs the Goats. I hope they fix this in the later episodes. I like how they pulled off the red truth. I can't wait to see it later when The first twilight was obviously downplayed so much in the anime. I liked seeing the deaths though :P. But Rosa's reaction was significantly toned down from the novel. But I still think the scene got the point so I'm not gonna go any further on it. Kanon and Jessica's deaths still made me sad like in the novel. Possibly even sadder. The battle was fun to watch as it was to read. Oh and maybe it's just me but I like the sound novel's design of the arm blade or whatever better. I like the sound novel's designs better as a whole. Back to the meta world. It was adapted good, but no dread of the fucking grave. Come on Deen! It was in the preview so why wasn't it in the episode? *sigh* As long as they use it later on I'll be fine. They still shouldve left some time to make this scene longer though. They will have to do it later though. TL;DR: First Twilight adequate Too much time into Shonen battle Not enough time into meta world battle Cried like a little bitch as Kanon and Jessica's deaths Overall: okay episode. Please don't take it as bitching, I'm just giving my personal opinion on the episodes. I love this series and even though the anime doesn't do the games justice, it's very enjoyable to watch. I also like to interact with Umineko's fanbase. ;) Cool peoples Side note: Did Maria annoy you guys this week even though she had little screen time? Uh, Yui and Mio as Asmo-nee and Satan-nee respectively? o_O. I could tell Asmodeus was by Yui but Mio's voice actor did a well done job as Satan. I commend her. She's a great new seiyuu. |
UBWahAug 19, 2009 6:52 PM
porkypink said: WTF! The one on my site is all cencored at the gore scene?!!?!?! T_T Is that original? Nope the station censored it, while DEEN already had it. (It's like what happened with the Satoko crucifixion scene in Higurashi) It'll be uncut when it comes to the DVD aisle |
| Are there any dates for the DVD releases, BTW? It will be interesting to see if they correct mistakes / change animation / remove censorship. Well, last one is a given. |
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Fujikira said: porkypink said: WTF! The one on my site is all cencored at the gore scene?!!?!?! T_T Is that original? Nope the station censored it, while DEEN already had it. (It's like what happened with the Satoko crucifixion scene in Higurashi) It'll be uncut when it comes to the DVD aisle Ah.. If so.. oh well =3 anyways great episode. Everything in red is true! >:D |
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OmegaDenmad said: Are there any dates for the DVD releases, BTW? It will be interesting to see if they correct mistakes / change animation / remove censorship. Well, last one is a given. The first dvd release is October 23. Ha 2 days before my bday. Not like I can buy it though :/ |
OmegaDenmad said: Are there any dates for the DVD releases, BTW? It will be interesting to see if they correct mistakes / change animation / remove censorship. Well, last one is a given. 1: Oct 23rd 2009 2: Nov 26th 2009 3: Dec 23rd 2009 4: Jan 22nd 2010 5: Feb 24th 2010 6: Mar 25th 2010 7: April 2010 8: May 2010 9: June 2010 10: July 2010 11: August 2010 12: Sept 2010 13: Oct 2010 |
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MarthX said: OmegaDenmad said: Are there any dates for the DVD releases, BTW? It will be interesting to see if they correct mistakes / change animation / remove censorship. Well, last one is a given. 1: Oct 23rd 2009 2: Nov 26th 2009 3: Dec 23rd 2009 4: Jan 22nd 2010 5: Feb 24th 2010 6: Mar 25th 2010 7: April 2010 8: May 2010 9: June 2010 10: July 2010 11: August 2010 12: Sept 2010 13: Oct 2010 Wow so that's just 2 episodes per dvd? I'm glad in america they put at least 4 on each release. |
| Just saw the episode. It was solid. The pacing wasn't too fast, and most of it remain relatively uncut. But, as others have said, the overall episode lacked something. It was the lukewarm feeling of the meta-scene compared to how I felt all pumped and excited after reading that part in the VN. Or maybe it was because of the lack BGMs used, and I'm not just talking about Dread of the Grave. Suspicion wasn't a bad replacement. But I really wished Goldenslaugherer was used when the cousins' discover the bodies. Anyway, Asmo's voice made me LOL for some reason. But it's not too bad. Satan sounds fine. And I really love Ohara's cackle. I also liked that the red text sound effect was used and the one that plays when somebody gets stabbed. It was a nice surprise to hear. |
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BakaOnna said: Just saw the episode. It was solid. The pacing wasn't too fast, and most of it remain relatively uncut. But, as others have said, I felt the overall episode lacked something. It was the lukewarm feeling of the meta-scene compared to how I felt all pumped and excited after reading that part in the VN. Or maybe it was because of the lack BGMs used, and I'm not just talking about Dread of the Grave. Suspicion wasn't a bad replacement. But I really wished Goldenslaugherer was used when the cousins' discover the bodies. Anyway, Asmo's voice made me LOL for some reason. But it's not too bad. Satan sounds fine. And I really love Ohara's cackle. I also liked that the red text sound effect was used and the one that plays when somebody gets stabbed. It was a nice surprise to hear. Yeah I really liked that they used that sound effect. The clanking sound effect when the stake flies was also used. That actually kinda makes me nervous whenever I hear it >_> |
UBWahAug 19, 2009 8:50 PM
| Why DEEN didn't have the song switch to dread of the grave when Battler turned the situation around is beyond me. It would have helped the scene a lot. Klashikari will probably make a YouTube video showing the scene with dread. |
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MarthX said: Why DEEN didn't have the song switch to dread of the grave when Battler turned the situation around is beyond me. It would have helped the scene a lot. Klashikari will probably make a YouTube video showing the scene with dread. Maybe DEEN's saving it for a more awesome! Battler counterattack scene or something. Probably the one where Battler "stood up" for Kanon. Zedrane said: I don't think I've been bitching very much at all. But whatever. Eh, perhaps I should've phrased it differently. It's more of the general attitude that "because it's different and not verbatim from how it was in the VN, it sucks." |
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BakaOnna said: Zedrane said: I don't think I've been bitching very much at all. But whatever. Eh, perhaps I should've phrased it differently. It's more of the general attitude that "because it's different and not verbatim from how it was in the VN, it sucks." That's not my attitude at all. I don't mind if it's different from the VN. I think it's actually sticking very closely to the VN, closer than I expected. The problem is the presentation. Or rather, the complete lack there of. Every single thing in this episode was done lackluster and had absolutely no impact or feeling. I don't care if it's different. I wouldn't mind at all if it was if it made the show better. I loved episode 5 and episodes 6/7 were good. The best way to describe this episode though, is simply lifeless and bland. Which is exactly what the VN is not. I don't expect DEEN to get any better at giving the show life and flare. If DEEN manages to in the future please do message me and I'll check it out. |
DrZedAug 19, 2009 9:26 PM
israfel070 said: I'll keep watching for a little while, but so far it's pretty unimpressive. I came expecting Higurashi-level awesomeness. The novelfags keep saying "Oh just wait till the family dinner... oh wait until Beatrice shows up... it gets awesome at the first tea party... well the first two games are the worst ones, but it gets amazing after that..." Seriously, take note of what all the novel readers have said. If you enjoy the anime play the novel it's much better. If you aren't enjoying the anime, play the novels they are much better. Think you wouldve caught on by now right? And it's not hard to find them either. Google is your best friend. Just be aware of spoilers if you do. |
Renza said: israfel070 said: I'll keep watching for a little while, but so far it's pretty unimpressive. I came expecting Higurashi-level awesomeness. The novelfags keep saying "Oh just wait till the family dinner... oh wait until Beatrice shows up... it gets awesome at the first tea party... well the first two games are the worst ones, but it gets amazing after that..." Seriously, take note of what all the novel readers have said. If you enjoy the anime play the novel it's much better. If you aren't enjoying the anime, play the novels they are much better. Think you wouldve caught on by now right? And it's not hard to find them either. Google is your best friend. Just be aware of spoilers if you do. Whether or not the novels are good isn't what he was talking about.... He was saying how all the novel players keep saying: "It will get better when it gets to 'so and so' part." Anyway, If I were you Israfel I wouldn't expect it to get any better. DEEN won't take the time or effort to make to more than mediocre. All of the life and flare that Umineko had is simply lost in DEENs incompetence. I do suggest you read the novels though. Like Renza said they are much, much, much, much, better. And I'm not just saying that as a novelfag that thinks that "if it doesn't follow the novel and is perfect" it sucks. The narrative of the novels really is on a completely different level from the narrative of the anime. *edit* Also, what the people below me said. Umineko is NOT like Higurashi. If your expecting it to be like Higurashi, it's simply not. |
DrZedAug 19, 2009 9:41 PM
| You know, Kanon fighting so many goats at the same time just stretches suspension of disbelief. I wonder what they will do with some of the already silly and over the top magic scenes from the SN, since this one was originally pretty "normal" with just the one goat. |
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israfel070 said: I'll keep watching for a little while, but so far it's pretty unimpressive. I came expecting Higurashi-level awesomeness. The novelfags keep saying "Oh just wait till the family dinner... oh wait until Beatrice shows up... it gets awesome at the first tea party... well the first two games are the worst ones, but it gets amazing after that..." Umineko is not Higurashi. Umineko is not a suspenseful horror. Umineko is awesome in its own way. If you're expecting Umineko to ever be like Higurashi then stop watching now because it never will be, because it's not that type of show. |
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OmegaDenmad said: You know, Kanon fighting so many goats at the same time just stretches suspension of disbelief. I wonder what they will do with some of the already silly and over the top magic scenes from the SN, since this one was originally pretty "normal" with just the one goat. Hahaha! They will probably have Beatrice summoning sky scrapers and dropping them on people. Oh wait.... |
| The preview for episode 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYO0Y_42kQY |
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Oh God. Mackerel is the culprit again. |
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Zedrane said: OmegaDenmad said: You know, Kanon fighting so many goats at the same time just stretches suspension of disbelief. I wonder what they will do with some of the already silly and over the top magic scenes from the SN, since this one was originally pretty "normal" with just the one goat. Hahaha! They will probably have Beatrice summoning sky scrapers and dropping them on people. Oh wait.... LOL Like Beatrice would ever do that. Ugh okay Yui Horie is starting to make my ears bleed. HAPPY HALLOWEEN. Doesn't seem like they're putting much into next weeks episode. Damn and I was looking forward to Guess I gotta wait another week eh? At least I have more meta-world to look forward to as long as Deen doesn't half ass it. |
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