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Nov 3, 2021 9:22 AM
#1
| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- First half of the episode was a borefest but we did get some mech action in the ruined city. Takeru and his squad demonstrated their usual combat tactics although I wasn't overly impressed by what I saw. At least they gave a fair decent amount of screen time for all the fighters. |
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Nov 3, 2021 9:24 AM
#2
| The episode is pretty good. I'm still going to complain about kashiwagi though. |
Nov 3, 2021 10:23 AM
#3
| What is the blue... how fast were they rushing through the conversation here? I thought i was watching 2x speed. Hello anime producers, you can slideshow the CCSE into 15 seconds, maybe you could've done the same for Tama'a father? The rush talking was painful to hear. |
Nov 3, 2021 10:35 AM
#4
| The comedy early on with Tama's father felt so out of place for me, given how the series itself without Extra nor Unlimited felt much more serious consistently without many references to the group's chemistry with each other. Yeah, that first half was pretty shit. Second half was slightly better I guess in comparison. |
Nov 3, 2021 12:36 PM
#5
| the 3DCG mecha fights are awesome damn if only the whole show is just full 3DCG then their will be consistency in animation quality at least the inclusion of the fighting game mechanics of cancels and combos was a success |
Nov 3, 2021 12:42 PM
#6
| So we finally have a new weapon to use in the fight. Hope this OS can turn the tide of the war. Wonder if the new guy is also from the future since he already knows Takeru? Fun ep as usual. |
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Nov 3, 2021 1:44 PM
#7
| Alternative got the best mecha fight in muv luv anime series so far. Unlimited & Schwarzesmarken couldnt really depict the awesomeness of TSF maneuver. |
Nov 3, 2021 1:52 PM
#8
deg said: the 3DCG mecha fights are awesome damn if only the whole show is just full 3DCG then their will be consistency in animation quality at least the inclusion of the fighting game mechanics of cancels and combos was a success Need ex arm studios kekw. |
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Nov 3, 2021 2:14 PM
#9
| I really liked this episode, finally we got to see some group chemistry between the main cast, after going so hard in on plot exposition the last couple episodes. The first half of the episode might be "boring" in comparison with the mecha stuff, but scenes like those have been sorely lacking so far so I am really glad they didn't also turn that into a 15 second montage |
Nov 3, 2021 2:57 PM
#10
| I'm really trying hard to "not like this adaptation" but even with all its glaring issues, I find it to be an enjoyable Anime all in all. I think that they team behind the Anime have done a great job with the limited budget and episodes they've received. A lot of people tend to forget that it's the higher ups that decide how many episodes/budget an Anime gets and the staff just have to do their best with that limitation. And unlike Umineko and Tsukihime, the staff for this have done a pretty good job all in all |
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Nov 3, 2021 3:19 PM
#11
| Great episode, my favorite so far. Seems like after rushing through the "boring" stuff (I would tend to disagree with that assessment but it is how it is!) they found a comfortable pacing and try to adapt things properly. Also liked that we are finally getting a few more character moments and they are done well. |
Nov 3, 2021 3:49 PM
#12
| Not completely abhorrent like the rest if the series has been but still a horrible, uneven experience. Direction and production, outside of the 3DCG, is still horrible as well as the handling of the tone which are ultimately the biggest problems for this episode. The damage is already done and they can't recover with this adaptation at this point. |
Nov 3, 2021 5:48 PM
#13
| Much better episode, we're getting closer to the 3rd or 2nd best part of the series. |
Nov 3, 2021 6:11 PM
#14
Animaniaig said: Not completely abhorrent like the rest if the series has been but still a horrible, uneven experience. Direction and production, outside of the 3DCG, is still horrible as well as the handling of the tone which are ultimately the biggest problems for this episode. The damage is already done and they can't recover with this adaptation at this point. Wow doomposting much? What the heck do you think they are supposed to do? We are lucky the TSF sequences are even pretty to look at. |
Nov 3, 2021 6:29 PM
#15
animejas said: The comedy early on with Tama's father felt so out of place for me, given how the series itself without Extra nor Unlimited felt much more serious consistently without many references to the group's chemistry with each other. Yeah, that first half was pretty shit. Second half was slightly better I guess in comparison. Animaniaig said: Not completely abhorrent like the rest if the series has been but still a horrible, uneven experience. Direction and production, outside of the 3DCG, is still horrible as well as the handling of the tone which are ultimately the biggest problems for this episode. The damage is already done and they can't recover with this adaptation at this point. I felt the opening sequence to be awkward in its tone at first but then I recalled this was exactly how the VN depicted those events. The tone only got dead serious after the coup arc started, i.e. the buildup and character chemistry were not only done in Extra and Unlimited, but in a fair portion of the beginning of Alternative as well. |
Nov 3, 2021 6:36 PM
#16
| Can somebody familiar with the source material tell me when I'll start seeing things that didn't happen in Unlimited? The only thing good about this episode was Akane's non-speaking cameo. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Nov 3, 2021 6:53 PM
#17
Lucifrost said: Can somebody familiar with the source material tell me when I'll start seeing things that didn't happen in Unlimited? The only thing good about this episode was Akane's non-speaking cameo. Ah, this episode? Have you seen XM3 being used in Unlimited? Have you seen the man at the end of the episode in Unlimited? |
Nov 3, 2021 6:59 PM
#18
| @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? |
| その目だれの目？ |
Nov 3, 2021 7:24 PM
#19
Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. |
Nov 3, 2021 8:41 PM
#20
ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op |
Nov 3, 2021 9:40 PM
#21
| The last 2 episodes have been much better |
Nov 4, 2021 12:57 AM
#22
| At least this episode I can stomach...for one half. The 1st 6 mins of Miki's reunion with her father Genjousai, is pretty "hilariously" stupid to give some crude remarks with Takeru and the others. Making the whole thing a case of an unintentional harem of sorts just seemed kinda off, the "calm before the storm". Takeru really wants to change Alternative IV's outcome through Yuuko, but it's clear that there's gonna be more work done befure they could go anywhere. At least for the new OS that Takeru developed is working wonders for his team in training, there's some decent action. Spreading that to the other 207th TSF squadron mechs would be the best viable option. Wonder who's that mysterious man. |
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Nov 4, 2021 1:38 AM
#23
| Another really good episode. Takeru’s managing to change the future for the better at least! Those mecha fights were insane |
Nov 4, 2021 3:01 AM
#24
dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD |
Nov 4, 2021 3:04 AM
#25
Lucifrost said: Can somebody familiar with the source material tell me when I'll start seeing things that didn't happen in Unlimited? The only thing good about this episode was Akane's non-speaking cameo. I don't know the exact episode but once we get to the revolt the story is completely different. It shouldn't be much further I believe but it has been awhile. |
Nov 4, 2021 3:16 AM
#26
Lucifrost said: Can somebody familiar with the source material tell me when I'll start seeing things that didn't happen in Unlimited? The only thing good about this episode was Akane's non-speaking cameo. Graciaus said: I don't know the exact episode but once we get to the revolt the story is completely different. It shouldn't be much further I believe but it has been awhile. I think the very next episode will already depict a completely new sequence of events that never happened in Unlimited, even before we get to the revolt And by the way, +1 for Akane lol. I was never super fond of any character personally besides Takeru in Muv-Luv, as it's not a charage and individual characterization is not the point at all (the focus is Takeru's inner journey), but Akane I liked quite a lot back when I read it, even when she's just a support cast. |
sho52Nov 4, 2021 3:21 AM
Nov 4, 2021 4:48 AM
#27
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. |
Nov 4, 2021 5:18 AM
#28
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. |
Nov 4, 2021 5:10 PM
#29
| Some of the walking animations looks like they're levitating |
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Nov 4, 2021 9:43 PM
#30
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. |
Nov 4, 2021 10:37 PM
#31
Lucifrost said: Can somebody familiar with the source material tell me when I'll start seeing things that didn't happen in Unlimited? The only thing good about this episode was Akane's non-speaking cameo. Next episode should be where the alternative story really start. |
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Nov 4, 2021 11:21 PM
#32
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. |
Nov 5, 2021 5:11 AM
#33
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. |
Nov 5, 2021 8:20 AM
#34
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. |
ixarisingNov 5, 2021 8:30 AM
Nov 5, 2021 8:01 PM
#35
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). |
Nov 5, 2021 8:16 PM
#36
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. |
Nov 5, 2021 9:13 PM
#37
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. |
Nov 5, 2021 9:38 PM
#38
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. |
Nov 5, 2021 10:35 PM
#39
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. Honestly it sounded like you are pulling this out of your ass. I doubt sagiri is doing this for alternative iv. Or rather, I'm not sure if he knew about alternative iv at all. From what I can see, his motive doesn't goes far from returning power of the shogun. He hated the government who pinned the blame on ayamine's dad. That's it.  |
Nov 6, 2021 3:35 AM
#40
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. Honestly it sounded like you are pulling this out of your ass. I doubt sagiri is doing this for alternative iv. Or rather, I'm not sure if he knew about alternative iv at all. From what I can see, his motive doesn't goes far from returning power of the shogun. He hated the government who pinned the blame on ayamine's dad. That's it. You can choose not to, i can't force you. But there's lots of things the VN never answered. Like 1. Thesleff was hypnotize to shoot after Meiya successfully persuaded Sagiri to surrender. 2. Walken's TSF was hacked and wasn't operating normally. 3. Sagiri and Walken had a brief conversation before the part Walken admitted he underestimated the rebels. Besides, the girls can't graduate as long as they still have political value. The coup is what remove that value. Well if you want it per VN explanation, Takeru's aptitude as the 00 Unit to pull his desired future to graduate faster created this new event. Meiya's 00 aptitude to choose her desired future made her play the role of the Shogun's double and lose her worth etc. Also this is available in YouTube the age weekly broadcast, even Marimo have 00 aptitude. Her aptitude was the highest during the XM3 trial in which she choose the most ideal future at the point, to keep Takeru alive. |
Nov 6, 2021 3:59 AM
#41
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. Honestly it sounded like you are pulling this out of your ass. I doubt sagiri is doing this for alternative iv. Or rather, I'm not sure if he knew about alternative iv at all. From what I can see, his motive doesn't goes far from returning power of the shogun. He hated the government who pinned the blame on ayamine's dad. That's it. You can choose not to, i can't force you. But there's lots of things the VN never answered. Like 1. Thesleff was hypnotize to shoot after Meiya successfully persuaded Sagiri to surrender. 2. Walken's TSF was hacked and wasn't operating normally. 3. Sagiri and Walken had a brief conversation before the part Walken admitted he underestimated the rebels. Besides, the girls can't graduate as long as they still have political value. The coup is what remove that value. Well if you want it per VN explanation, Takeru's aptitude as the 00 Unit to pull his desired future to graduate faster created this new event. Meiya's 00 aptitude to choose her desired future made her play the role of the Shogun's double and lose her worth etc. Also this is available in YouTube the age weekly broadcast, even Marimo have 00 aptitude. Her aptitude was the highest during the XM3 trial in which she choose the most ideal future at the point, to keep Takeru alive. Number 1 and 2 is done by CIA (or US government, not really clear). Not explicitly said but both walken and mana implied it in both of their dialogues. And number 3, he said it while fighting. It can be concluded that he's talking about shitgiri's piloting skill (after all walken in using a raptor while shitgiri is using a shiranui. |
Nov 6, 2021 4:24 AM
#42
| Tama & dad quite funny. mc right choice to save him, but weird curvy spaceship. Installing katana & boosters & city war tactics nicely animated. |
Nov 6, 2021 7:43 AM
#43
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. Honestly it sounded like you are pulling this out of your ass. I doubt sagiri is doing this for alternative iv. Or rather, I'm not sure if he knew about alternative iv at all. From what I can see, his motive doesn't goes far from returning power of the shogun. He hated the government who pinned the blame on ayamine's dad. That's it. You can choose not to, i can't force you. But there's lots of things the VN never answered. Like 1. Thesleff was hypnotize to shoot after Meiya successfully persuaded Sagiri to surrender. 2. Walken's TSF was hacked and wasn't operating normally. 3. Sagiri and Walken had a brief conversation before the part Walken admitted he underestimated the rebels. Besides, the girls can't graduate as long as they still have political value. The coup is what remove that value. Well if you want it per VN explanation, Takeru's aptitude as the 00 Unit to pull his desired future to graduate faster created this new event. Meiya's 00 aptitude to choose her desired future made her play the role of the Shogun's double and lose her worth etc. Also this is available in YouTube the age weekly broadcast, even Marimo have 00 aptitude. Her aptitude was the highest during the XM3 trial in which she choose the most ideal future at the point, to keep Takeru alive. Number 1 and 2 is done by CIA (or US government, not really clear). Not explicitly said but both walken and mana implied it in both of their dialogues. And number 3, he said it while fighting. It can be concluded that he's talking about shitgiri's piloting skill (after all walken in using a raptor while shitgiri is using a shiranui. The conversation happened when Sagiri was fighting against Walken's underling who is working for the forces behind the coup d'etat. Walken wanted to keep the person alive to be sentence in court but Sagiri killed him for putting the "shogun" in danger. Walken was questioning about Sagiri's method asking why is Sagiri so focused on the bloodshed and dying here instead of staying alive and redeem himself. Sagiri replied back that those covered in blood (the ones he killed) is necessary because those interested in self preservation (AKA the politicians) are sending soldiers to death, (that was in reference to Operation Lucifer when America dropped two G-Bombs to Japan, back then due to the heavy metal cloud, communication were severely affected so many soldiers couldn't receive the retreat order and died. Some of the coup d'etat forces are people from that operations, they were angered by how their own government didn't actually force through the stopping of the bombing, i'm sure the government would've tried but to the soldiers i suppose they just felt betrayed). Of course the coup isn't done by one man, so it's impossible to say that all of them are align with Sagiri's goal, some may be doing it for their own reasons not mentioned. |
ixarisingNov 6, 2021 7:48 AM
Nov 6, 2021 10:34 AM
#44
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. Honestly it sounded like you are pulling this out of your ass. I doubt sagiri is doing this for alternative iv. Or rather, I'm not sure if he knew about alternative iv at all. From what I can see, his motive doesn't goes far from returning power of the shogun. He hated the government who pinned the blame on ayamine's dad. That's it. You can choose not to, i can't force you. But there's lots of things the VN never answered. Like 1. Thesleff was hypnotize to shoot after Meiya successfully persuaded Sagiri to surrender. 2. Walken's TSF was hacked and wasn't operating normally. 3. Sagiri and Walken had a brief conversation before the part Walken admitted he underestimated the rebels. Besides, the girls can't graduate as long as they still have political value. The coup is what remove that value. Well if you want it per VN explanation, Takeru's aptitude as the 00 Unit to pull his desired future to graduate faster created this new event. Meiya's 00 aptitude to choose her desired future made her play the role of the Shogun's double and lose her worth etc. Also this is available in YouTube the age weekly broadcast, even Marimo have 00 aptitude. Her aptitude was the highest during the XM3 trial in which she choose the most ideal future at the point, to keep Takeru alive. Number 1 and 2 is done by CIA (or US government, not really clear). Not explicitly said but both walken and mana implied it in both of their dialogues. And number 3, he said it while fighting. It can be concluded that he's talking about shitgiri's piloting skill (after all walken in using a raptor while shitgiri is using a shiranui. The conversation happened when Sagiri was fighting against Walken's underling who is working for the forces behind the coup d'etat. Walken wanted to keep the person alive to be sentence in court but Sagiri killed him for putting the "shogun" in danger. Walken was questioning about Sagiri's method asking why is Sagiri so focused on the bloodshed and dying here instead of staying alive and redeem himself. Sagiri replied back that those covered in blood (the ones he killed) is necessary because those interested in self preservation (AKA the politicians) are sending soldiers to death, (that was in reference to Operation Lucifer when America dropped two G-Bombs to Japan, back then due to the heavy metal cloud, communication were severely affected so many soldiers couldn't receive the retreat order and died. Some of the coup d'etat forces are people from that operations, they were angered by how their own government didn't actually force through the stopping of the bombing, i'm sure the government would've tried but to the soldiers i suppose they just felt betrayed). Of course the coup isn't done by one man, so it's impossible to say that all of them are align with Sagiri's goal, some may be doing it for their own reasons not mentioned. No. Again, I'm not sure where are you pulling this shit from but the conversation happen when he was fighting walken  |
Nov 6, 2021 4:52 PM
#45
dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. Honestly it sounded like you are pulling this out of your ass. I doubt sagiri is doing this for alternative iv. Or rather, I'm not sure if he knew about alternative iv at all. From what I can see, his motive doesn't goes far from returning power of the shogun. He hated the government who pinned the blame on ayamine's dad. That's it. You can choose not to, i can't force you. But there's lots of things the VN never answered. Like 1. Thesleff was hypnotize to shoot after Meiya successfully persuaded Sagiri to surrender. 2. Walken's TSF was hacked and wasn't operating normally. 3. Sagiri and Walken had a brief conversation before the part Walken admitted he underestimated the rebels. Besides, the girls can't graduate as long as they still have political value. The coup is what remove that value. Well if you want it per VN explanation, Takeru's aptitude as the 00 Unit to pull his desired future to graduate faster created this new event. Meiya's 00 aptitude to choose her desired future made her play the role of the Shogun's double and lose her worth etc. Also this is available in YouTube the age weekly broadcast, even Marimo have 00 aptitude. Her aptitude was the highest during the XM3 trial in which she choose the most ideal future at the point, to keep Takeru alive. Number 1 and 2 is done by CIA (or US government, not really clear). Not explicitly said but both walken and mana implied it in both of their dialogues. And number 3, he said it while fighting. It can be concluded that he's talking about shitgiri's piloting skill (after all walken in using a raptor while shitgiri is using a shiranui. The conversation happened when Sagiri was fighting against Walken's underling who is working for the forces behind the coup d'etat. Walken wanted to keep the person alive to be sentence in court but Sagiri killed him for putting the "shogun" in danger. Walken was questioning about Sagiri's method asking why is Sagiri so focused on the bloodshed and dying here instead of staying alive and redeem himself. Sagiri replied back that those covered in blood (the ones he killed) is necessary because those interested in self preservation (AKA the politicians) are sending soldiers to death, (that was in reference to Operation Lucifer when America dropped two G-Bombs to Japan, back then due to the heavy metal cloud, communication were severely affected so many soldiers couldn't receive the retreat order and died. Some of the coup d'etat forces are people from that operations, they were angered by how their own government didn't actually force through the stopping of the bombing, i'm sure the government would've tried but to the soldiers i suppose they just felt betrayed). Of course the coup isn't done by one man, so it's impossible to say that all of them are align with Sagiri's goal, some may be doing it for their own reasons not mentioned. No. Again, I'm not sure where are you pulling this shit from but the conversation happen when he was fighting walken You can at least try to check. There's lots of info available now. Operation Lucifer, Sagiri was in the operation. He witness the G-Bombs being dropped. TSFIA with backgrounds on many missions prior. Age even uploaded a video of that operation with Takayuki and Shinji. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wZzF7qfdg https://muvluv.fandom.com/wiki/Operation_Lucifer You can even read the Muv-Luv Alternative Manga Chapter 36. Sakon already mentioned they were already plans to overthrow the government even before Sagiri. |
Nov 6, 2021 5:43 PM
#46
ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: dailybread said: ixarising said: Lucifrost said: @ixarising Yes, I did see mecha battles in Unlimited. This episode even had a flashback to that scene, remember? Unlimited didn’t have the mysterious man, but it didn’t have Akane either. My question is, can I trust this man to amount to anything important? Yeah but did the battle in Unlimited used Takeru's OS? Also if this man amount to nothing then he won't be in the opening. Shitgiri never amount to anything in every timeline he lives in but he is still in the op Sagiri is Yamato Damashii gone wrong. XD That said, the 12/5 incident only happened thanks to Takeru. 1. He requested Yuuko to save the frontline soldiers during the Sadogashima invasion. So more soldiers are available to Sagiri's cause. 2. He requested Yuuko to prevent the HSST falling, so America's Alternative 5 supporters had to use another method to stir chaos. 3. He didn't want to save the grandma. XD The coup still happen in unlimited. But it happened after alt v where shitgiri joined the french. Actually, The one in TDA is different. There's two forces that did the coup. Sagiri and the Royal Guard under Ikaruga. Sagiri wanted to protect the Shogun's authority from Ikaruga's forces that wanted to usurp the Shogun's authority. Sagiri failed in his so end up Ikaruga became the one in control of the Japan-Hawaii government. Sagiri then was labeled a traitor and had to escape to the French. To be fair, Ikaruga was the one who started it because he knew what would happen to the world per Yuuko's report and since Alternative V can't be stopped, Ikaruga decide that he would try to save the world in his own method and so he began by usurping Yuuhi's authority. Sagiri found out and resisted against Ikaruga. Fair enough. Still not takeru's fault though. And shitgiri is still shit. Well i suppose he just got frustrated with how the Japanese people in that world are slowly becoming self centered since the BETA war moved to Japan. During the Gwangju operation, the COSEAN & UN forces were going to abandon the Korean civilians to die while they're retreating. Ayamine Shuukaku chose to protect the civilians instead of doing his mission. That doesn't mean it's right cause it incurred heavy casualties on the COSEAN & UN. But Sagiri was just disappointed with how the people blame the defeat solely on Ayamine Shuukaku, calling him a traitor etc. and started to harass his wife & daughter. Define "self centered". Because inciting a coup while BETA is at the doorstep of Japan for the sake of his ideology is very self-centered. And while I wouldn't say ayamine's dad is exactly wrong, his decision costed un, cosean, and japan valuable manpower and hardware. The people who harassed Kei and her mum said Lt Gen Ayamine should just abandon the civilians of Korean to die instead of disobeying, running away from the frontlines to protect them and causing his own people to suffer. And when Sagiri was retreating due to injury, there were civilians who confronted Sagiri on why isn't he risking his life like he should be doing as a soldier. It's their fault that the BETA reached Japan because of their incompetence as soldiers. That's why when he was fighting Tsukuyomi he said their predecessors didn't die to make Japan weak, the "predecessors" Sagiri is referring to is the Japanese soldiers that either volunteered or forced to the frontlines during the early stage of the war even before the BETA reach Japan. The "weak" is how the he felt that the Japanese people seem to have develop a mentality that it's okay for soldiers to sacrifice their life simply because it's their "job". They've stopped to think that soldiers are also people who want to live. Well that's just part of it, another reason because Sakon inform him of how some of the politicians in the government is supporting Alternative V, and is plotting to make it a success. Since Lt Gen Ayamine chose to surrender to the UN so that Alt IV won't be scrapped, Sagiri didn't want that to happen, and he was disgusted with how some of these politicians are saying they're doing it for the "people" but they're supporting Alt V to save themselves and their family. That's why Chizuru's father lost his place as PM when Alt 5 took place, he was ousted by those supporting Alt V. No? He saw Japan as weak because they relied too much on the UN and US (Him being a fascist and all). He also hated the current government. Not Japan itself. He blamed the government for "mistreating and betraying" the people of japan (ironic seeing that he has harmed Japan more than ayamine's father). That's because the VN didn't go any detail into it. The LN, Manga and other sources dwelled a bit into this part of Sagiri's history and the background to the events. The one i mention is what is going on is the background behind Sagiri's action. Also the VN didn't show it directly, but Sakon was the one who push Sagiri into performing the coup because Sakon needed a trigger to get XG-70 for Yuuko. In the manga, when Sagiri went to PM Sakaki, PM Sakaki ask Sagiri if he's aware that he's been "tricked" into doing this. and Sagiri acknowledge and accepted it because he's partly aware if he didn't do it, Sakon would still find another person to make it happen for Alternative IV and Sagiri had his own goals with as per you mention to awaken his countrymen. FYI Sakon after the coup became a wanted criminal for being the "mastermind" behind the coup. We all know shitgiri is being used. We know that Mikoto's dad is (partly) behind the coup. But in case you aren't aware shitgiri have always wanted the coup. Sakon just helped him. Even if sakon didn't help him, shitgiri would have his coup, one way or another. In the end, shitgiri didn't care. He just wanted to do the coup or die in the process. He doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity's survival. Shitgiri is always and will always be shit. To be fair, what Sagiri did was required, i don't like him myself but Sagiri's action was necessary. It's because the coup didn't happen in Unlimited that Alt 5 got approved faster. In case if you're wondering why, it's because of Operation Lucifer, the operation where America dropped two G-Bombs to Yokohama unannounced. This will be a bit of a story telling, so i'll go back to the starting point, Operation Gwangju. During Operation Gwangju, Ayamine Shuukaku deserted the frontlines and caused severe losses to the COSEAN & UN. So the UN requested Ayamine to be passed to them for charge of desertion and Ayamine got court martialed. Sakaki Kurechika was the one who asked Ayamine to go because Japan needed the UN funding to make Alternative IV possible. And Ayamine is aware of that as well, agreed to be court martialed. This is why Ayamine got drafted to the UN as well, her aptitude as the 00 unit aside. Why would they need the daughter of a "former" Lt. General of the imperial army when you have the "relative" of the Shogun, daughters of the "current" prime minister, section chief of the ministry of intelligence and Undersecretary General of the UN? Because they are concerned that Kei may be aware of the Alternative IV & V even if a bit, turns out it wasn't Kei, it was Sagiri. That's also why Sakon approach Sagiri because he knows about these background things. Moving back, Operation Lucifer ended when America dropped two G-Bombs and the Yokohama hive was destroyed. The Japanese government who were against the use of G-Bomb then started to have a change of heart and as time goes by most of them starting to shift their support to Alternative V. And since the shogun is pretty much powerless at that point, Sakon needed a trigger to reduce the Alternative V momentum and Sagiri took action for it. In a sense, Sagiri talked about all those big goals about Japan being weak etc, But in reality, he just wanted to make sure Alternative IV didn't get scrapped because his mentor/idol/father figure chose to be court martialed to ensure Alternative IV will be a thing. Honestly it sounded like you are pulling this out of your ass. I doubt sagiri is doing this for alternative iv. Or rather, I'm not sure if he knew about alternative iv at all. From what I can see, his motive doesn't goes far from returning power of the shogun. He hated the government who pinned the blame on ayamine's dad. That's it. You can choose not to, i can't force you. But there's lots of things the VN never answered. Like 1. Thesleff was hypnotize to shoot after Meiya successfully persuaded Sagiri to surrender. 2. Walken's TSF was hacked and wasn't operating normally. 3. Sagiri and Walken had a brief conversation before the part Walken admitted he underestimated the rebels. Besides, the girls can't graduate as long as they still have political value. The coup is what remove that value. Well if you want it per VN explanation, Takeru's aptitude as the 00 Unit to pull his desired future to graduate faster created this new event. Meiya's 00 aptitude to choose her desired future made her play the role of the Shogun's double and lose her worth etc. Also this is available in YouTube the age weekly broadcast, even Marimo have 00 aptitude. Her aptitude was the highest during the XM3 trial in which she choose the most ideal future at the point, to keep Takeru alive. Number 1 and 2 is done by CIA (or US government, not really clear). Not explicitly said but both walken and mana implied it in both of their dialogues. And number 3, he said it while fighting. It can be concluded that he's talking about shitgiri's piloting skill (after all walken in using a raptor while shitgiri is using a shiranui. The conversation happened when Sagiri was fighting against Walken's underling who is working for the forces behind the coup d'etat. Walken wanted to keep the person alive to be sentence in court but Sagiri killed him for putting the "shogun" in danger. Walken was questioning about Sagiri's method asking why is Sagiri so focused on the bloodshed and dying here instead of staying alive and redeem himself. Sagiri replied back that those covered in blood (the ones he killed) is necessary because those interested in self preservation (AKA the politicians) are sending soldiers to death, (that was in reference to Operation Lucifer when America dropped two G-Bombs to Japan, back then due to the heavy metal cloud, communication were severely affected so many soldiers couldn't receive the retreat order and died. Some of the coup d'etat forces are people from that operations, they were angered by how their own government didn't actually force through the stopping of the bombing, i'm sure the government would've tried but to the soldiers i suppose they just felt betrayed). Of course the coup isn't done by one man, so it's impossible to say that all of them are align with Sagiri's goal, some may be doing it for their own reasons not mentioned. No. Again, I'm not sure where are you pulling this shit from but the conversation happen when he was fighting walken You can at least try to check. There's lots of info available now. Operation Lucifer, Sagiri was in the operation. He witness the G-Bombs being dropped. TSFIA with backgrounds on many missions prior. Age even uploaded a video of that operation with Takayuki and Shinji. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wZzF7qfdg https://muvluv.fandom.com/wiki/Operation_Lucifer You can even read the Muv-Luv Alternative Manga Chapter 36. Sakon already mentioned they were already plans to overthrow the government even before Sagiri. try to check? holy fuck, are you daft? I literally gave you a picture of the scene to prove that it happened during walken and sagiri's fight. And yes the CIA/US is behind the coup, everyone knows that. Mana fucking spelled it to our face. I'm not sure where you are going with this shit. |
Nov 6, 2021 6:05 PM
#47
| Not a bad episode really,I quite enjoyed watching that,though we'll see if it remains at the same level,gets better or gets worse.I particularly liked the animations on the outfitting/launching of the tsf's at the start of the mock battle.That was really well done. One thing that is annoying me though,the ED sequence,I keep seeing bits in the animation that remind me a lot of the OP/ED sequence from Infinite Stratos,such as the bit at the end where Takeru looks up at the trail across the sky among other things. Its really pissing me off for some reason! |
StarhammerNov 6, 2021 6:12 PM
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Nov 9, 2021 7:49 AM
#48
| Not too bad. Undersecretary visit was funny and adapted relatively well. TSF stuff is the main priority for the staff since it looked good |
Nov 9, 2021 10:39 AM
#49
| This episode is a level higher than other episodes. It doesn't look like a very fast recap anymore and is relatively enjoyable to watch. And I really liked the moment with Tama's dad, good to finally see the conversation that wasn't much shorter of that in VN. |
Nov 9, 2021 11:57 PM
#50
| Lots of doomposting in this anime's discussion. It has its flaws as an adaptation (particularly because it's following the manga instead of the VN, as seen by the cut content and extra little additions from it being in here), but the manga still got great later on, and this seem be getting better so far, the pacing got considerably better, and they are even speeding up conversations to make sure all of the info make the inside in one way or another, I much prefer that for such an infodumpy series than omitting them altogether. So far it has definitely done with passion, not without its shortcomings in production though. Some people just decided it was RUINED!! from the moment it wasn't a perfect adaptation any longer, to me this sort of toxic channer mindset is just stupid, honestly. Pleasantly surprised by both this and ep 4. I'm finally having high hopes for what is to come from this. 4/5 |
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