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Feb 18, 2019 12:11 PM
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Now hold on a second, so the reason Serval doesn't know Kaban is because she got eaten by a Cerulean and lost her memories?


Also MAL still thinks this isn't a sequel lol.
Feb 18, 2019 12:45 PM
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S1 Serval confirmed to have lost her memories
S1 Lucky Beast is now just a shelved character
Ceruleans are now birthed throught sea volcano stuff rather than the before stablished sandstar into inorganic material
They keep referencing S1



It was supposed to be Tanoshii
but all I feel is Kanashii
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Feb 18, 2019 2:02 PM
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Quite the ominous chapter: Beasts wreaking havoc, humongous trouble in the ocean, Serval confirmed for amnesiac, Kaban not really showing much of a reaction to a fellow human.

Guess it was needed to advance the plot, but let's hope the next episode has a more light-hearted tone.
Feb 18, 2019 2:24 PM
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Haha they actually fucked this series harder than I expected. I can't believe they fucking killed Kaban and Serval behind our backs and replaced them with husks devoid of their previous charms. Kaban is still the best thing in this season but she's gone for the rest of it until maybe the end so rip. The ending was pretty sad but not nearly as sad as what they did with the series. This new protag fucking suck. I am just going to pretend none of this cancer is canon.
Feb 18, 2019 2:32 PM
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So, Kaban hooked up with the Professor and her Assistant. That makes pretty good sense. It’s amazing how invested in the characters we become in a kids series.

Best episode so far this season.
Feb 18, 2019 2:45 PM
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THEY DID IT!!!

They turned Kaban and Serval into strangers for the sake of the new girl. Thank you very much.
Feb 18, 2019 3:32 PM
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So it's pretty clear Kaban is still alive. Atleast for this timeline. Hurray! For me this series is just another Kemono Friends timeline were Kaban is already older. I mean; Serval doesn't reconize Kaban at all, the Cerulean's are different, Serval's design is differnt, ... I mean, even this Cerulean turned into a freaking buss-like thing this episode! This is clearly for me a differnt timeline! I really don't get why people don't want to accept this is not a sequal.

Let's be honest: A differnt timeline approach' is done so much to revive a franchise or to expand on it, right? Good examples are Pokémon, Mario, Zelda, ... It's not like those games became populair because of this or anything. Hmph!

In short: This is just a differnt time line. Deal with it. El Psy Congroo.
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Haha they actually fucked this series harder than I expected. I can't believe they fucking killed Kaban and Serval behind our backs and replaced them with husks devoid of their previous charms. Kaban is still the best thing in this season but she's gone for the rest of it until maybe the end so rip. The ending was pretty sad but not nearly as sad as what they did with the series. This new protag fucking suck. I am just going to pretend none of this cancer is canon.


I feel you BRO!! when i saw kaban i felt like that isn't the kaban that i know is like only her clothes are almost the same as S1... her personality change.

Also the memories reset of Serval in S1 where more touching than this new reset, in S1 she cry when she saw the video of Mirai

And also is supossed that Cerulean turns into stone when they touch sea water.

also i think that the hakase and her assistance were more cute in S1.


maybee all this is happening because Serval is in coma in an hospital after Lucky beast hit her with the japari bus.

Feb 18, 2019 3:40 PM
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-sigh- Serval's memories are too weak to recognize Kaban, and it's compounded by Serval being too dumb to put all the pieces together. Even Caracal gets it.
Or maybe its just awkwardness: Serval meeting a friend she barely remembers, and Kaban meeting a friend who barely remembers her. How long has it even been... O.o

EratiK said:
-snip- Kaban not really showing much of a reaction to a fellow human.
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...yeah, that's odd, not showing much reaction to the first other human she's ever seen, although maybe the other Friends are close enough to human that she doesn't see it that way.

Looks like a Cerulean took the form of a ship. Did a volcano erupt under the wreck of the Yamato or something like that?

gcnaruto said:
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And also is supossed that Cerulean turns into stone when they touch sea water.
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I forgot about that. xD I guess we've got waterproof Ceruleans now, a bit like sunproof vampires.

Also, why does Kaban have a drawer full of Lucky Beast hardware?
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Ceruleans are now birthed throught sea volcano stuff rather than the before stablished sandstar into inorganic material


That was never estabilished. It was said, yes, but never shown or confirmed. In the KF franchise as a whole, we've seen plenty of times a character saing an hypothesis that later gets proven wrong. Even back in S1, when Kaban was revealed to be a "human friend".

Serval doesn't reconize Kaban at all, the Cerulean's are different, Serval's design is differnt


>literally the same design
>Serval shows traces of vaguely knowing

Nice try

And also is supossed that Cerulean turns into stone when they touch sea water.

I forgot about that. xD I guess we've got waterproof Ceruleans now, a bit like sunproof vampires.


Just the big black Cerulean has a problem with water (and not specifically seawater). Mirai specifically mentions in season 1 it's just that one. And in pretty much every KF media the Ceruleans are not specially affected by water (S1 ones rolling on snow in epi9, one of them blocking an oasis on the ONA in epi11...).

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It was a great episode for anyone that isn't seething with salt. Ominous, yeah, kinda hard to take in. But with Margay and the stage being mentioned at the end, I think I know what's coming up next, or at least soon-ish. Fantastic.
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Ceruleans are now birthed throught sea volcano stuff rather than the before stablished sandstar into inorganic material
That was never estabilished. It was said, yes, but never shown or confirmed
It was technically stablished in season one when an eruption hit in episode 9 and several cerulean were born from the snow.
But that was well made me think a bit, since ceruleum is coming from underwater and rather than turn objects into cerulean, they literally morph into the shapes, are they not already cerulean? Is Ceruleum just not Sandstar (Or rather, Sandstar Low) already turned into a cerulean.
Or maybe I'm overthinking and they created this new method to move away from the past season to take control of worldbuilding.

ew




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I really don't get why people don't want to accept this is not a sequal.
fucking weird take my guy


Timz0r said:


I like how you ignore the differnt timeline stuff I've mentioned on purpose.
And yes, Serval has differnt hair and her clothes are slightly differnt compaired with previous anime show. I love spotting details.
New studio, new 3D model. Minor design changes doesn't necessarily mean different timelines too.


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This season is really showing how stubborn and salt-filled some KF fans are.


Jeeze.
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New studio, new 3D model. Minor design changes doesn't necessarily mean different timelines too.




So you're saying there's a possibillity for an alternate timeline or what? Don't deny that never happend iether. Just relax dude. I was young once aswell.

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This season is really showing how stubborn and salt-filled some KF fans are.


Jeeze.

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I can second that.

This anime sure is the proof people are too stubborn to open their mind for a little bit and can't accept change.
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So you're saying there's a possibillity for an alternate timeline or what?
I'm saying you don't understand how the franchise works
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Feb 18, 2019 6:21 PM

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just admit this season is a failure. no one is buying this shit.
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I should not have watched this episode at night, that boat thing...
Feb 18, 2019 7:10 PM
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Does this mean that the professor and assistant got eaten by a cerulean to since they didn't remember Serval?

And Serval being eaten by one; that just makes me sad and emotionally fatigued. I hope Serval actually remembers everything that happened in S1.

Also, did I see correctly that Kaban had multiple Lucky-san? That watch one was supposed to be the main Lucky-san that got destroyed in S1, but like did Kaban go around smashing more, so she could get a smart watch version?
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It was technically stablished in season one when an eruption hit in episode 9 and several cerulean were born from the snow.
But that was well made me think a bit, since ceruleum is coming from underwater and rather than turn objects into cerulean, they literally morph into the shapes, are they not already cerulean? Is Ceruleum just not Sandstar (Or rather, Sandstar Low) already turned into a cerulean.
Or maybe I'm overthinking and they created this new method to move away from the past season to take control of worldbuilding.


There was nothing shown that they were born from that, they could've been buried under the snow.

There was a whole Cerullium page in the most recent guidebook (not fully translated yet), but it doesn't say much more than what we know in the series. Some fans theorized Sandstar and Cerullium are the "same" material in different concentrations, with Sandstar-Low from S1 being an inbetween, for example.

That said, if you look at the way KF presents information all the way back to the Nexon game, oftentimes we have the characters theorize something and have it be said and then be debunked. It's expected that the Sandstar + Inorganic = Cerulean is one of those. For more examples, the guidebook page you posted shows the owls theorizing. For one, Hakase mentions she never saw an animal become a Friend twice, and everything points towards Serval having done it THRICE thus far.

Not to mention the whole inorganic thing was kind of a bust from the beggining anyway. All of that excess sandstar from eruptions would almost certainly make a lot more damage, and there are examples of Friends that don't really have a real animal to come from, like the Tsuchinoko - how would they be born if Sandstar is never going to hit a Tsuchinoko, since they don't exist?
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There was nothing shown that they were born from that, they could've been buried under the snow.
yeah that's true. I stand corrected.

SoldusJK said:
There was a whole Cerullium page in the most recent guidebook (not fully translated yet), but it doesn't say much more than what we know in the series. Some fans theorized Sandstar and Cerullium are the "same" material in different concentrations, with Sandstar-Low from S1 being an inbetween, for example.
Is there any translations for them besides the scanlated pages? I'll take anything, even raws tbh

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That said, if you look at the way KF presents information all the way back to the Nexon game, oftentimes we have the characters theorize something and have it be said and then be debunked. It's expected that the Sandstar + Inorganic = Cerulean is one of those. For more examples, the guidebook page you posted shows the owls theorizing. For one, Hakase mentions she never saw an animal become a Friend twice, and everything points towards Serval having done it THRICE thus far.
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Not to mention the whole inorganic thing was kind of a bust from the beggining anyway. All of that excess sandstar from eruptions would almost certainly make a lot more damage
I can see some lenience on a constantly evolving universe since it is suffering a ongoing progress of discoveries but I'd feel more at ease if I had a confirmation.
Well, it's only mid-season and even if there's things that I don't understand at the end I'm sure they'll be covered by future guidebooks/games. It is a currently active franchise after all.

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and there are examples of Friends that don't really have a real animal to come from, like the Tsuchinoko - how would they be born if Sandstar is never going to hit a Tsuchinoko, since they don't exist?
uh, I think those can simply be explained by it being cool that an UMA became personified. I mean you have a urban legend and you integrate it in your universe that's a big charm point.
Cute pumpkin girl hell ye doesn't make sense but I'll take it
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Is there any translations for them besides the scanlated pages? I'll take anything, even raws tbh


The guys in charge of the main/new wiki (https://japari-library.com/) have a lot of scanlations and raws, their staff has a lot of overlap with the KF subreddit and Discord - those would be the best places to ask for the scans. I don't have them at hand, sadly.

I can see some lenience on a constantly evolving universe since it is suffering a ongoing progress of discoveries but I'd feel more at ease if I had a confirmation.
Well, it's only mid-season and even if there's things that I don't understand at the end I'm sure they'll be covered by future guidebooks/games. It is a currently active franchise after all.


I'm personally a fan of the gradual discovery for both us and the characters, but yeah, the constant influx of half-information is kinda annoying at a times. The franchise is still going, so we'll likely get an answer someday.

uh, I think those can simply be explained by it being cool that an UMA became personified. I mean you have a urban legend and you integrate it in your universe that's a big charm point.
Cute pumpkin girl hell ye doesn't make sense but I'll take it


Well, yeah, but still, it serves as a counterpoint to the organic vs inorganic on Sandstar theory.

Also, there's actually a "pumpkin" (actually Jack o Lantern) friend, so, yep, cute pumpkin girls. We've gone there. :P
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Is there any translations for them besides the scanlated pages? I'll take anything, even raws tbh
their staff has a lot of overlap with the KF subreddit and Discord - those would be the best places to ask for the scans. I don't have them at hand, sadly.
Oh sure, I'll ask there someday, thank you
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I've been trying to not be negative and understand the limitations that this show had, but after revealing Kaban last episode I was ready for the show to make a turn and hit me with something more emotional and deep. We pretty much got nothing.

The past with Kaban was barely acknowledged in favor of just dumping exposition for future episodes, and I'm kinda bothered by Kyururu's prophetic nightmare coming out of nowhere.

At the very least I'd hope meeting another human would be a big deal as it was hyped in episodes 4 and 5 but it was treated no different than any random Friend we've met so far.
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Ok, so they only showed Kaban in the last episode to work as a cliffhanger, and not use the character for anything else.

Kaban was only used to validate Kyururu group. You want us to believe that:

- Kaban is the only friend that grows older. Neither serval nor hakase and assistant grew.

- After many years of having lost her dearest friend on a tragic accident, one day Kaban sees her friend amnesiac and goes "weeell, f it, not worth it to explain her nothing, I'll save my burning feelings". "I'll also totally not tell anything useful to that other human, the only one I have seen in dozen of years. Ha, I thought they were extinct. Oh well".

- They keep kinda inventing things no character knew. Where does the names even come? Ceruleum, "Beasts", etc. Someone had to come with these concepts, the characters couldn't gain knowledge out of nowhere.

- Talking about knowledge out of nowhere, either kaban gained such knowledge and made many lucky bands, or she murdered quite a few lucky beasts for her collection.

- Then we have the moment kyururu has the idea of where the ceruleum was coming from. Because even researching for years and having a book about underground volcanoes next to her desk didn't bring the idea to kaban's mind.

I was sure that if we were to see kaban, we would see her in a condition that stopped her from joining the story. Having grown up, in a stablished place, and having "something else to do" was a good excuse to show and forget about her. Kaban is old news, Kyururu lives, hail studio Tomason.

I mean, even studio Tomason knows they need to keep referencing season 1 or they won't sell. There's a reason why we see arai, fennec and penguins in the opening instead of the pandas, gorilla and season 2 friends only.


I'll take the alternate timeline idea, it's a lot more believable to judge each series separately. And I doubt they have a good idea on how to explain their story and include the travel we saw at the end of season 1, so, alternate timeline for me it is.
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I'll take the alternate timeline idea, it's a lot more believable to judge each series separately. And I doubt they have a good idea on how to explain their story and include the travel we saw at the end of season 1, so, alternate timeline for me it is.


Other than the fact they are very clearly in a different part of Park according to Kaban's map?

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Azumi-tei said:
I'll take the alternate timeline idea, it's a lot more believable to judge each series separately. And I doubt they have a good idea on how to explain their story and include the travel we saw at the end of season 1, so, alternate timeline for me it is.


Other than the fact they are very clearly in a different part of Park according to Kaban's map?



Umm, I meant for all the details and implications of that travel, like what did they find, why did Kaban gave up on searching humans, why did other friends act as if they don't remember serval neither and kaban doesn't care, why isn't she known to more friends or has organized the island in all these years, or organized some kind of defense like the hunter team in season 1, details like that.

But yeah, the map is a nice fan theory. Given the ambiguity of Kaban map and how it could fit dozens of real life locations, its nice to see it fits somewhere in Japan too.
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Mkim said:
never said you don't understand how franchises works, I said you don't understand how the Kemono Friends franchise works, I gave you a page of the official guidebook, you should consider taking a look at it.


Honesty, I don't give a flying shit. I have other things on my mind like things that do matter like science for example. This is just animu adaptation that expanted on a cellphone game, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not the one that's find this serious buissnes.


This is one of the funniest posts on MAL. This man has serious business with science yet keeps replying nonsense to @Mkim lmao
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I'm just here for the science man. Please tell us more.
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Kind of weird how they changed where Ceruleans come from. Also Serval got eaten in season 1, but didn't turn into an animal. Lots of retconning going on, but i'm fine with it. It was the best way to explain why Serval had forgotten about Kaban.

Despite stuff like this, i'm still enjoying this season.
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But yeah, the map is a nice fan theory. Given the ambiguity of Kaban map and how it could fit dozens of real life locations, its nice to see it fits somewhere in Japan too.


It isn't a theory; all the way back to the mobile game it was pretty obvious Japari Park is a rip-off Japan. The only "theory" one is the location of Pavilion in that map.

Also Serval got eaten in season 1, but didn't turn into an animal.


Because she was rescued quickly enough, in episode 11/12 they mention that getting eaten reverts you to an animal in the first season.

Kind of weird how they changed where Ceruleans come from.


That on the other hand was sorta soft-retconned, yeah.
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jesus christ, the amount of nitpicking f*ggots in here
this community is awful, but what else to expect from a discussion on MAL of all places
i feel bad for KF2 , gonna get shit reviews just because toxic crybabies cant get over old dramas.
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Ok, so they only showed Kaban in the last episode to work as a cliffhanger, and not use the character for anything else.
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it's literally the 6th episode of the anime, Kaban will return at one point eventually.
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toxic crybabies cant get over old dramas.
boy you wouldn't be happy to learn about the amazon jp reviews and the nico scores then
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It'll take a while to weed out the toxicity I'm afraid. Hopefully they'll drop the ship before KF3. That said, a lot of the nico scores are downvote bots, so hardly matters :^)
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The owl duo is back and they still like spicy food. Nice.

It's quite possible that Kaban met other humans in the years that have passed. So meeting Kyululu is not a surprise or a big deal.

The Beast and the aquatic Cerulean are an interesting addition to the story.
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It'll take a while to weed out the toxicity I'm afraid. Hopefully they'll drop the ship before KF3. That said, a lot of the nico scores are downvote bots, so hardly matters :^)


We live in a world where it's easier to think that anyone who doesn't agree with us are "trolls" and if there is a different opinion it must be bots or something else. I believe that having different opinions doesn't make us enemies, it just makes us, well, different.

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It isn't a theory; all the way back to the mobile game it was pretty obvious Japari Park is a rip-off Japan. The only "theory" one is the location of Pavilion in that map.


I think anything that is not confirmed by the staff via characters speaking, or a guidebook, etc, and is just the fans going "this clearly seems to be that" is a theory.

But let's see your theory. This is an actual map of the area of Japan where you say season 2 happens, next to the area in Kaban's map:




I don't think they match anymore than 99% of gulfs do. And btw you marked your gokoku/shikoku in hiroshima.

But yes, their world is probably inspired by a real life map, and I have my own theory too.

We saw in episode 4 that they walked by minamimerica (south america), then, the camera showed this image:



A mayan head, similar to the mayan heads which go from belize to mexico:




The head could be a prop or a relic. I don't think it is a prop because there isn't any other part of the park with props like that, and setting a gigantic stone head just because would be weird.

I feel it's more interesting to think of it as an actual relic, and since the only evidence of being in japan is "other stories used maps inspired in japan", the gulf could be the gulf of Honduras, or the gulf near tulum, where there are mayan ruins next to a jungle, or any other gulf over there. So for me, they are probably in Mexico or other central America area!
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Another good episode. :)

Good thing the owls noticed the large thing swimming in the water. Honestly, large sea monsters have always terrified me. Glad they were not attacked there. Is it possible that it's one of these large sea ceruleans that caused Serval memory loss? Serval was at sea the last time we saw her season 1.

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So, Kaban hooked up with the Professor and her Assistant. That makes pretty good sense. It’s amazing how invested in the characters we become in a kids series.

Best episode so far this season.


The owls are among the smartest Friends, so it's nice to hook up with them. Plus they have those books.

I'm just wondering how Kaban setup that labortory? It even has a steel door and wall.
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So it's pretty clear Kaban is still alive. Atleast for this timeline. Hurray! For me this series is just another Kemono Friends timeline were Kaban is already older. I mean; Serval doesn't reconize Kaban at all, the Cerulean's are different, Serval's design is differnt, ... I mean, even this Cerulean turned into a freaking buss-like thing this episode! This is clearly for me a differnt timeline! I really don't get why people don't want to accept this is not a sequal.


It seems a lot has happened during the time skip. Kaban now has a lab, which is also a safe zone that "beasts" cannot enter. Although this episode the danger came from within.. a cerulean coming out of the bottle. The two owls also seem to be currently living with her. I wonder if they eat that spicy food everyday? XD
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I think anything that is not confirmed by the staff via characters speaking, or a guidebook, etc, and is just the fans going "this clearly seems to be that" is a theory.

But let's see your theory. This is an actual map of the area of Japan where you say season 2 happens, next to the area in Kaban's map:


The Shikoku was mislabeled, yeah; that said, you're wrong about it not being mentioned - here's the concept art of JP from a guidebook.



And here's the same page being put up in a live event.



So, looks familiar? There's also this overlap of google maps of Japan and the episode. There's some difference, but the shape is kept, largely due to projection (Google uses a custom globe and JP seems to use an odd custom azimuthal).

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I found this MMD by Yukkuri Yudoufu just after I saw Ep. 6, and thought that this was how it should have ended...

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This episode was sad. I'm sad now.
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honestly watching this ep i thought i would be happy but in the end im more annoyed than ever because of how things turned out of course she some how got eating and forgot Kaban

and then of course Kaban gets only 1 ep unless she shows up again but god this almost makes me not wanna watch anymore cause i was so exited to see Kaban make a come back even the owls coming back made me happy

but already made it this far may as well see it to the end now
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Interesting, but also a little sad episode because Serval doesn't remember Kaban anymore. :(

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Keep track of your anime easily by creating your own list.
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