Cavalier of the Abyss Chapter 133 Discussion

Oct 7, 2015 11:48 AM

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That motivation to interfere with Caladbolg seems more like a personal grudge/rivalry to me. And anyways, I don't believe in prophecies much but some of the latest events seems convincing.

Oct 7, 2015 2:25 PM

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Serin telling Nin the loser to not call her mother. Oh yes. This is perfect!

Whatever the prophecy was it spoke of a threat to Nex obviously. A great threat if she chose to turn against him to prevent it. Serin is such a tragic character just like her dear husband.

Oct 7, 2015 4:43 PM

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I'ts definitely something personal between Oski and Cal, Moonin even said that Oski finally has justifiable reason to fight him

bdw what is the deal with hating on Nin, is there actual reason people hate him other than people wanting Xix to be better than him?

Oct 7, 2015 5:30 PM

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azurz said:
I'ts definitely something personal between Oski and Cal, Moonin even said that Oski finally has justifiable reason to fight him

bdw what is the deal with hating on Nin, is there actual reason people hate him other than people wanting Xix to be better than him?

He's a failure as a character, he's nothing but a pawn to his own emotions or others agenda. He's pathetic in every possible way and now that his mind is irreversably broken he's even more of a wretch. To say nothing of how much damage he's done because of being nothing but a pawn. Heck his mother got infected cause he was a fucking moron and believed that guy underground. So by relation you can easily say he pretty much got his mother killed. Did he realize that? Nope. Instead he took it out on Nex.

A pathetic creature like that is the son of Nex and Serin? Fuck that noise. That whole lie about him being Serin's son. I don't buy that trash one bit not when we saw Serin's flashback with Xix.

People wanting Xix to be better than him? Hahah no need. Xix is already miles and leagues better than that loser. Heck he finally put his vengeance to rest last chapter after hearing Nex's side of the story and now he can grow even more.

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Oct 7, 2015 5:40 PM

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I can see Nex dying in the end

Oct 7, 2015 5:42 PM

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Alfigar said:
I can see Nex dying in the end

I don't know. Serin seems to be working to prevent that. Even if it means betraying Nex.

Oct 8, 2015 10:35 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

He's a failure as a character, he's nothing but a pawn to his own emotions or others agenda. He's pathetic in every possible way and now that his mind is irreversably broken he's even more of a wretch. To say nothing of how much damage he's done because of being nothing but a pawn. Heck his mother got infected cause he was a fucking moron and believed that guy underground. So by relation you can easily say he pretty much got his mother killed. Did he realize that? Nope. Instead he took it out on Nex.

A pathetic creature like that is the son of Nex and Serin? Fuck that noise. That whole lie about him being Serin's son. I don't buy that trash one bit not when we saw Serin's flashback with Xix.

People wanting Xix to be better than him? Hahah no need. Xix is already miles and leagues better than that loser. Heck he finally put his vengeance to rest last chapter after hearing Nex's side of the story and now he can grow even more.

Lol I can't help but laugh at how much you hate him. Failure as a character because he is pawn to his emotions? lol what? You say it like he is only character that is acting on his emotions. Should he be emotionless? Should he just fallow orders like a machine? or does it piss you off that Nin cares so much about others and is better person than most if not all other characters?
He is pawn for other's agenda? Yeah, everyone totally used him... Except only one person did and Nin had a good reason for them to mutually help each other. He didn't believe that guy but he needed his help if he wanted to save his mother, but that ended with his mother getting killed by Nex which is totally different fate from Nex ordering the executioner to kill her...
You say that Nin didn't realize that his mothers death was his fault and just took it out on Nex. How was he supposed to know that she was contaminated? Nex just beheaded her and get close to her maybe if he actually bothered to say do not touch her she is contaminated.
Maybe you should realize that Iffrita's death was completely Nex's fault however you look at it. First Nex spared Seonyu when he became one of the Night clan and killed his whole village, because he couldn't kill his friend. Next time Seonyu kidnapped his daughter and released fragment of Caladbolg and what did Nex do about it? He just imprisoned him... his emotions prevented him from killing his old friend. Than Nex basically gave Seonyu the key to get out. And finally when Seonyu started contamination everyone in sight, what did Nex do? he ordered his man to take care of it and when if failed he still waited before attacking him and he didn't even stop Seonyu, instead he chopped Iffrita's head off and stood there silently while others had to deal with Seonyu.
Maybe if he himself dealt with it from the start instead of ordering his man to attack while he wonders what is going on maybe than there wouldn't be so much problems.

"A pathetic creature like that is the son of Nex and Serin? " Heh if you remember, Abyss has collapsed because of Nex's emotions and more than 100 000 people died because of Nex's emotions. Acting on emotions, wasn't that the reason you hate Nin? That all damage that you said was done because of Nin, was actually mostly because of Nex and not doing the logical thing due to his emotions.

Serin's flashback with Xix? you mean when Serin dropped him off at Banna?

I don't know about Xix being miles and leagues better than Nin maybe in things like having more positive thoughts, feeling less dejected and such.

It feels like what you wrote is you justifying why you hate Nin and not actual reason why you hate him.

Oct 8, 2015 10:42 AM

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azurz said:

Darklight0303 said:

He's a failure as a character, he's nothing but a pawn to his own emotions or others agenda. He's pathetic in every possible way and now that his mind is irreversably broken he's even more of a wretch. To say nothing of how much damage he's done because of being nothing but a pawn. Heck his mother got infected cause he was a fucking moron and believed that guy underground. So by relation you can easily say he pretty much got his mother killed. Did he realize that? Nope. Instead he took it out on Nex.

A pathetic creature like that is the son of Nex and Serin? Fuck that noise. That whole lie about him being Serin's son. I don't buy that trash one bit not when we saw Serin's flashback with Xix.

People wanting Xix to be better than him? Hahah no need. Xix is already miles and leagues better than that loser. Heck he finally put his vengeance to rest last chapter after hearing Nex's side of the story and now he can grow even more.

Lol I can't help but laugh at how much you hate him. Failure as a character because he is pawn to his emotions? lol what? You say it like he is only character that is acting on his emotions. Should he be emotionless? Should he just fallow orders like a machine? or does it piss you off that Nin cares so much about others and is better person than most if not all other characters?
He is pawn for other's agenda? Yeah, everyone totally used him... Except only one person did and Nin had a good reason for them to mutually help each other. He didn't believe that guy but he needed his help if he wanted to save his mother, but that ended with his mother getting killed by Nex which is totally different fate from Nex ordering the executioner to kill her...
You say that Nin didn't realize that his mothers death was his fault and just took it out on Nex. How was he supposed to know that she was contaminated? Nex just beheaded her and get close to her maybe if he actually bothered to say do not touch her she is contaminated.
Maybe you should realize that Iffrita's death was completely Nex's fault however you look at it. First Nex spared Seonyu when he became one of the Night clan and killed his whole village, because he couldn't kill his friend. Next time Seonyu kidnapped his daughter and released fragment of Caladbolg and what did Nex do about it? He just imprisoned him... his emotions prevented him from killing his old friend. Than Nex basically gave Seonyu the key to get out. And finally when Seonyu started contamination everyone in sight, what did Nex do? he ordered his man to take care of it and when if failed he still waited before attacking him and he didn't even stop Seonyu, instead he chopped Iffrita's head off and stood there silently while others had to deal with Seonyu.
Maybe if he himself dealt with it from the start instead of ordering his man to attack while he wonders what is going on maybe than there wouldn't be so much problems.

"A pathetic creature like that is the son of Nex and Serin? " Heh if you remember, Abyss has collapsed because of Nex's emotions and more than 100 000 people died because of Nex's emotions. Acting on emotions, wasn't that the reason you hate Nin? That all damage that you said was done because of Nin, was actually mostly because of Nex and not doing the logical thing due to his emotions.

Serin's flashback with Xix? you mean when Serin dropped him off at Banna?

I don't know about Xix being miles and leagues better than Nin maybe in things like having more positive thoughts, feeling less dejected and such.

It feels like what you wrote is you justifying why you hate Nin and not actual reason why you hate him.

Only one person? Are you fucking high?

He was used by Just, by Siana, by Cal, By the guy in the underground and by Navarus' butler. Heck even his own mother used him to garner favor with Nex. Doesn't matter a damn if she loved him she still used him.

That's not just one person. Go back and reread the series since you clearly didn't pay attention one iota.

Abyss collapsed because SErin made a mistake bringing his brother over which got him possessed by Cal. Not because of Nex.

You're delusional if you think Nin has any redeeming factor to him.
Also unlike Xix and Nex himself, Nin had NOTHING out of the ordinary about him until his bullshit resurrection. He was textbook Noah clan with textbook powers. Meanwhile Xix has been exceptional from the moment he started expanding his powers. He was even trained by Nex's teacher before everything went to shit and he had Semek since Serin left it with him.

The one with the baseless agenda is you versus Nex. Let me guess you also like the pathetic wretch known as Slaine Troyard from Aldnoah Zero too don't you?

Darklight0303Oct 8, 2015 10:51 AM

Oct 8, 2015 6:13 PM

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Darklight0303 said:

Only one person? Are you fucking high?

He was used by Just, by Siana, by Cal, By the guy in the underground and by Navarus' butler. Heck even his own mother used him to garner favor with Nex. Doesn't matter a damn if she loved him she still used him.

That's not just one person. Go back and reread the series since you clearly didn't pay attention one iota.

Abyss collapsed because SErin made a mistake bringing his brother over which got him possessed by Cal. Not because of Nex.

You're delusional if you think Nin has any redeeming factor to him.
Also unlike Xix and Nex himself, Nin had NOTHING out of the ordinary about him until his bullshit resurrection. He was textbook Noah clan with textbook powers. Meanwhile Xix has been exceptional from the moment he started expanding his powers. He was even trained by Nex's teacher before everything went to shit and he had Semek since Serin left it with him.

The one with the baseless agenda is you versus Nex. Let me guess you also like the pathetic wretch known as Slaine Troyard from Aldnoah Zero too don't you?

Maybe I should actually reread it as I can't remember when Just, Siana, Cal or Navaruse's butler used Nin. Seonyu(underground guy) has used Nin and Nin used him. As for Iffrata, it does look like she used him to gain Nex's affection but that was when he was only when he was a baby. When he was 5 years old Iffrita was ready to give up her position as empress to save him. Can you blame him for being used as a baby. Wait... By being used do you mean whenever someone interacts with Nin for his own gain? Just took Nin's blood and used it to try and fool Nex? When Navaruse's butler wanted to turn him in?

You know, if you go back enough you can say that Abyss fell because Cal was the one who claimed Chaos as his territory, but that wont change the fact that Nex chose to save Serin instead of Abyss which resulted with 100 000+ casualties.

Unlike Xix and Nex, Nin didn't need something like extremely powerful demon or magic stone to lend his power and that apparently makes him inferior to Xix and Nex... Ok.
Beside, what's your point when comparing characters in one specific time like this? Until Nex was turned into an undead he was ordinary high school student. But yeah, Xix was really exceptional from the beginning, because of his insane talent for Taegyuk but he wasn't trained by Nex's teacher and he couldn't use Semek so, it was just a pretty necklace for him.

Are you telling me that Nex wasn't responsible for shit Seonyu did, after not killing him 2 times? For pushing Nin so much that he decided to suicide which was the reason Cal managed to return to Chaos? For choosing to save Serin instead whole Abyss and other people that would die from its fall?

I still didn't read Aldnoah zero so I don't know who that guy is. But no, I don't pick what characters I like by anything specific In one story I will like good natured guy and in other I will like complete prick.

Oct 8, 2015 10:35 PM

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I see we're fighting about favoring characters here :P

I'll just state my stand as a Depore fan.

I've been wondering about something, what's sup with Caladbolg not having any childeren. Considering his personality now, i would assume something like.. Omg, my brother have freaking 4 kids. I need to show off too and make him a uncel too! Oh well.

This have been lingering on my mind.. If, Nex said to caladbolg now, he would abandon everything if Caladbolg came with him and just left everything behind, example going to the human world or just going to another place in Choas, or just creating another space just for them. Would caladbolg happly accept and go hand in hand with his brother? I mean he couldn't kill him Immortal regis, so why not.

Oct 9, 2015 3:48 AM

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KlapKlap said:
I see we're fighting about favoring characters here :P

I'll just state my stand as a Depore fan.

I've been wondering about something, what's sup with Caladbolg not having any childeren. Considering his personality now, i would assume something like.. Omg, my brother have freaking 4 kids. I need to show off too and make him a uncel too! Oh well.

This have been lingering on my mind.. If, Nex said to caladbolg now, he would abandon everything if Caladbolg came with him and just left everything behind, example going to the human world or just going to another place in Choas, or just creating another space just for them. Would caladbolg happly accept and go hand in hand with his brother? I mean he couldn't kill him Immortal regis, so why not.

Cal is too obsessed with his brother to make a family. He wants to hog the guy all to himself like a yandere girlfriend. But I think at this point he's gotten much more overpowered by Cal as a whole and there's not as much of the little brother left.

Oct 9, 2015 8:31 AM

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KlapKlap said:
I see we're fighting about favoring characters here :P

I'll just state my stand as a Depore fan.

I've been wondering about something, what's sup with Caladbolg not having any childeren. Considering his personality now, i would assume something like.. Omg, my brother have freaking 4 kids. I need to show off too and make him a uncel too! Oh well.

This have been lingering on my mind.. If, Nex said to caladbolg now, he would abandon everything if Caladbolg came with him and just left everything behind, example going to the human world or just going to another place in Choas, or just creating another space just for them. Would caladbolg happly accept and go hand in hand with his brother? I mean he couldn't kill him Immortal regis, so why not.

We'r not really fighting about favorite characters
For the record, my favorite character would be Nex but I'm rooting for Nin, poor guy deserves some happiness in his life. Tho I like every relevant character almost equally.

It looks like Depore was a bad girl for keeping secrets from Nex and plotting with Iffrita/Serin or maybe I should actually say good girl. Ahhh I can't wait for reveal of Serin's secret.

I think Cal prefer taking his brothers children rather than making his own. Ever since that fragment was released, I believe that Cal is bit more dominant personality over Jae-Hoon but he is definitely still there so, I think there is a chance he would still be willing to go with Nex.

Oct 11, 2015 4:48 PM

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Darklight0303 said:

azurz said:
I'ts definitely something personal between Oski and Cal, Moonin even said that Oski finally has justifiable reason to fight him

bdw what is the deal with hating on Nin, is there actual reason people hate him other than people wanting Xix to be better than him?

He's a failure as a character, he's nothing but a pawn to his own emotions or others agenda. He's pathetic in every possible way and now that his mind is irreversably broken he's even more of a wretch. To say nothing of how much damage he's done because of being nothing but a pawn. Heck his mother got infected cause he was a fucking moron and believed that guy underground. So by relation you can easily say he pretty much got his mother killed. Did he realize that? Nope. Instead he took it out on Nex.

A pathetic creature like that is the son of Nex and Serin? Fuck that noise. That whole lie about him being Serin's son. I don't buy that trash one bit not when we saw Serin's flashback with Xix.

People wanting Xix to be better than him? Hahah no need. Xix is already miles and leagues better than that loser. Heck he finally put his vengeance to rest last chapter after hearing Nex's side of the story and now he can grow even more.

I gotta agree with you that xix is better then nin. I mean Nin is too naive, he believed and even betrayed nex because of cal. & because of that his actions indirectly caused the death of his mother whom by his reasoning's are nex's fault. How stupid is that?!
Xix, on the otherhand if he is actually putting aside his revenge doesn't that mean breaking his contract with osky? & don't quote me on this cause I'm a bit iffy on my info from the past chapters but didn't osky say that if xix breaks the contract osky would make xix, as the price he pays for breaking the contract, into one of his creations (skoll, ouroboros)?

Oct 11, 2015 4:50 PM

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xxminty_03 said:

Darklight0303 said:

He's a failure as a character, he's nothing but a pawn to his own emotions or others agenda. He's pathetic in every possible way and now that his mind is irreversably broken he's even more of a wretch. To say nothing of how much damage he's done because of being nothing but a pawn. Heck his mother got infected cause he was a fucking moron and believed that guy underground. So by relation you can easily say he pretty much got his mother killed. Did he realize that? Nope. Instead he took it out on Nex.

A pathetic creature like that is the son of Nex and Serin? Fuck that noise. That whole lie about him being Serin's son. I don't buy that trash one bit not when we saw Serin's flashback with Xix.

People wanting Xix to be better than him? Hahah no need. Xix is already miles and leagues better than that loser. Heck he finally put his vengeance to rest last chapter after hearing Nex's side of the story and now he can grow even more.

I gotta agree with you that xix is better then nin. I mean Nin is too naive, he believed and even betrayed nex because of cal. & because of that his actions indirectly caused the death of his mother whom by his reasoning's are nex's fault. How stupid is that?!
Xix, on the otherhand if he is actually putting aside his revenge doesn't that mean breaking his contract with osky? & don't quote me on this cause I'm a bit iffy on my info from the past chapters but didn't osky say that if xix breaks the contract osky would make xix, as the price he pays for breaking the contract, into one of his experiments?

The contract states revenge on the Regis. It doesn't say how and in what way. It's actually quite a vague contract and heck a punch to the face might count as revenge.

Oct 22, 2015 6:15 PM

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On the last page serin says "no one will die... nex will"
Whats up with that? I dont get it, were there some betrayel from nex on her? I cant remember everything since its too long ago. The imprisonment of her was because she stopped nex before nex could kill cal, right?
And the question why sge stabbed him is still unanswered, i assume it has something to do with the prophecy

Nov 17, 2015 12:13 PM

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Sorry for my bad english! But i want to say my opinion about teory betrayal Serin.In this chapter we saw that Hekarlot said Serin propheсу, but we do not know what that meen. May be it is was warning about that Nex will be the second Noche and will be responsible for the death of many people. Or he can said that Nex will be the reason of death their children. And so Serin tried to kill Nex for protect their children and citizens of haos. So she said at the end of chapter that "no one must to die, even if Nex"......lalala)))) What she wanted to say??????

Jan 1, 2016 6:03 AM

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i really confuse with this manga.. so they have 3 child from serin and nex?

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