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Dec 5, 2009 6:39 AM
#1
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I found myself actually T_T for Touya's dad because he died and Yuki's song playing at the same time...it was very beautiful and the setup was excellent! It really reflected everything properly as you can see here Find that Mana looks beautiful and at her best here=> anyone else thinks so? My rage happened at Misaki kissing Touya and why in the would did she do that when she knew about him and Yayoi? Makes no sense at all to me yet and Misaki is damaged goods by Tamaru. Did he have sex too with Misaki..it is not shown. I am also wondering if Touya had sex with Menou since she is in his place at the end of the episode?Here |
francismeunierDec 5, 2009 7:09 AM
Dec 5, 2009 4:54 PM
#2
I like Glass no Hana more than Sounds of Destiny although that's just my preference. I do agree that this episode is depressing as hell and seeing soo many stupid people doing stupid thing (particularly Misaki and Touya) just makes me hate them even more. For once I don't mind Touya getting a nice boat ending. |
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Dec 5, 2009 5:14 PM
#3
kaminakun said: At least Akira punched him. :D Should have done it so his eyes are black. :oI like Glass no Hana more than Sounds of Destiny although that's just my preference. I do agree that this episode is depressing as hell and seeing soo many stupid people doing stupid thing (particularly Misaki and Touya) just makes me hate them even more. For once I don't mind Touya getting a nice boat ending. |
Dec 5, 2009 5:54 PM
#5
The episode was a bit confusing since so many things happened, so thanks for the recap. Again did Touya get lucky, so I also raged a bit inside me as well. But it was a bit satisfying seeing Akira punch Touya. I just wish we saw it in a direct way, though. It would have been a lot more satisfying that way. And oh, what is up with all these traffic accidents in animes? I swear, everyone gets hit by a frickin' car or a truck. |
Dec 5, 2009 7:13 PM
#6
Traffic accidents are more common than you might expect. What makes it annoying in anime is that it always comes at the "right" moment. I think this episode went a little bit overboard on the drama. I think Misaki's poem was a nice touch, and I was surprised to see Touya so sad about his father dying. I guess I was wrong about him all along, he's actually a pretty sensitive guy trying to act indifferent. Got to admit, Akira was somehow pushed too much to the side this season, and he developed this sort of antagonism towards Touya; the moment Touya alluded to Akira not being able to ride a bike I had a premonition something might happen, still feel kind of sad about it though, not for Akira but for the kind of character he's turning out to be. I'm also wondering about Menou, but I doubt anything happened. Misaki, though, he did for sure. |
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Dec 5, 2009 10:26 PM
#7
so touya sleeps with another woman; the guy who punched him in the face is in accident; and turns out menou, whose been hanging out at touya's place, is mana's older sister, weirder and weirder stuff keeps happening |
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Dec 6, 2009 1:12 AM
#8
Dec 6, 2009 5:01 AM
#9
francismeunier said: kage-bunshin said: No that is not the guy....that guy in accident looks like Akira but is not...saw his face close by....I don't think it is Akira.the guy who punched him in the face is in accident I'm pretty sure that guy that got hit by the car is Akira, if it wasnt why would Touya say that he never knew he could ride a bike, hinting that its somebody touya knows.... also if you comparre the 2 screen caps you posted they look the same. |
Dec 6, 2009 6:07 AM
#10
PandAEmiC said: francismeunier said: kage-bunshin said: No that is not the guy....that guy in accident looks like Akira but is not...saw his face close by....I don't think it is Akira.the guy who punched him in the face is in accident I'm pretty sure that guy that got hit by the car is Akira, if it wasnt why would Touya say that he never knew he could ride a bike, hinting that its somebody touya knows.... also if you comparre the 2 screen caps you posted they look the same. Must have been drunk off of wine...*_* They do look the same but I noticed the hair color looked different for some time. How in the world did he get over Misaki to Haruka so fast? Too bad he is dead now....I agree with someone that the accident setup was too convenient. |
Dec 6, 2009 7:56 AM
#11
I hope Touya will end up like Makoto Itou fram School Days (without "Nice Boat" ending of course).I feel sorry for Akira... |
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Dec 6, 2009 5:14 PM
#12
LOL bitch got struck by a truck...Nice rhyme 8-) Other than that...DOUBLE~SUTRI~KU!!! 3 down, 4 more to go...Gotta smex 'em all!!! Is this a new pokemon series for adults or something? LOL I know I would play it...8-) |
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Dec 6, 2009 5:54 PM
#13
i dont know... by the way they are going he can pretty much end up with any girl in the series... or even none... what i really want is for him to end up with Rina.... i dont know why but thats just what i want... |
PandAEmiCDec 7, 2009 3:44 AM
Dec 7, 2009 12:42 AM
#14
Dec 7, 2009 3:45 AM
#15
What i was wondering is how does menou know touya? am i missing something... |
Dec 7, 2009 4:48 AM
#16
Dec 7, 2009 10:00 AM
#17
LOL finally, they revealed some of those hidden treasures. DeathfireD and noteDhero must be happy or laugh his ass off to see this episode. I did have a doubt about Menou but noteDhero was the one who figured out it first that she is a lip sync. And it is really close to the truth, yet we still not sure how far they are related between Touya and Yuki as brother and sister, nice job DeathfireD. I think the only thing left we need know is what exactly Touya's dad did in the past and what happened to Touya in his childhood. At this point I am not sure anymore if Mana is going to have a go with Touya too. She is just trying to get there LOL "I am not a kid" well she should have just say "I want to be raped too.". That would make thing go faster. francismeunier said: Well Mana was childhood friend with Yuki and Yuki was childhood friend with Touya, and Mana is Menou's sister. They never said when they were divorced. So it is not impossible for Menou to be one of Touya's childhood friend.PandAEmiC said: What i was wondering is how does menou know touya? am i missing something... It's a good question but I would think they have not explained that yet. |
Dec 7, 2009 1:45 PM
#18
Siva said: At this point I am not sure anymore if Mana is going to have a go with Touya too. She is just trying to get there LOL "I am not a kid" well she should have just say "I want to be raped too.". That would make thing go faster. "smex" not "raped", as far as I know, he never "raped" anybody...But why not? It's a smex them a-...I mean, catch them all Pokemon game, remember? |
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Dec 7, 2009 2:31 PM
#19
Dec 7, 2009 4:19 PM
#20
Siva said: LOL finally, they revealed some of those hidden treasures. DeathfireD and noteDhero must be happy or laugh his ass off to see this episode. I did have a doubt about Menou but noteDhero was the one who figured out it first that she is a lip sync. And it is really close to the truth, yet we still not sure how far they are related between Touya and Yuki as brother and sister, nice job DeathfireD. I think the only thing left we need know is what exactly Touya's dad did in the past and what happened to Touya in his childhood. Yes, noteDhero got a good intuition and logic....kind of like Spock and I also follow his logic deduction methods so DeathfireD and noteDhero got it hands down. Was that forest part where one pf pics tells of how nice the art they made of Touya's father is....a reveling itself....someone analyze it! Siva said: At this point I am not sure anymore if Mana is going to have a go with Touya too. She is just trying to get there LOL "I am not a kid" well she should have just say "I want to be raped too.". That would make thing go faster. I hope not but in the game you can have sex with her but is 18+ game is no surprise there. francismeunier said: PandAEmiC said: What i was wondering is how does menou know touya? am i missing something... It's a good question but I would think they have not explained that yet. Siva said: Yes at the ED it says that but no hints at how exactly Menou met Touya...probably Mana or Yuki....it would be nice to see a talk between Menou and Yuki to see reactions or revealings.....Well Mana was childhood friend with Yuki and Yuki was childhood friend with Touya, and Mana is Menou's sister. They never said when they were divorced. So it is not impossible for Menou to be one of Touya's childhood friend. |
Dec 7, 2009 5:50 PM
#21
Siva said: LOL finally, they revealed some of those hidden treasures. DeathfireD and noteDhero must be happy or laugh his ass off to see this episode. I did have a doubt about Menou but noteDhero was the one who figured out it first that she is a lip sync. And it is really close to the truth, yet we still not sure how far they are related between Touya and Yuki as brother and sister, nice job DeathfireD. I think the only thing left we need know is what exactly Touya's dad did in the past and what happened to Touya in his childhood. At this point I am not sure anymore if Mana is going to have a go with Touya too. She is just trying to get there LOL "I am not a kid" well she should have just say "I want to be raped too.". That would make thing go faster. francismeunier said: Well Mana was childhood friend with Yuki and Yuki was childhood friend with Touya, and Mana is Menou's sister. They never said when they were divorced. So it is not impossible for Menou to be one of Touya's childhood friend.PandAEmiC said: What i was wondering is how does menou know touya? am i missing something... It's a good question but I would think they have not explained that yet. haha you know me way to well Siva. I cracked up laughing at the end. For some reason any time a drama has a kid crossing a cross walk they always get hit by a vehicle. It's like a golden rule for asian drama writers or something haha. I see him riding the bike and the first thing that pops in my head "Don't tell me he's gonna get hit by a car this episode" XD. As for the episode as a whole...it was horrible. Tossed way to much info at us, skimmed over important details, and pumped up Touya's perverted personality AGAIN. Since it seems every two episode they switch his personality I suspect next episode he will be completely different again. Mana and Menou being sisters was a bit weird although not that shocking to me. I was hoping Menou would be related to Yayoi though :(. I'm honestly beginning to think everyone is related haha. Mana's mother apparently lived in the same neighborhood as Yuki and if Yuki's mother was hooking up with Touya's dad then it would make sense that Touya's dad would know Mana's mother too. So there's a possibility that he hooked up with Mana's mom at some point too haha. It would explain why Mana used to think she was like Yuki as a child. This is all a shot in the dark though. As unique as this would be to have as an ending....I'm not really sure they'd go this route. They dropped another hint that Touya and Yuki are related. Mana mentions how much Touya and Yuki are alike. I'm not going to bother hypothesizing where they're heading next. Way to much info to digest in one gulp. PS. No school days ending. Stop being assholes. |
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Dec 7, 2009 7:58 PM
#22
LOL. LOL. LOL. What a terrible episode this was. The first half was basically, "Touya needs too hook up more, and we need to get his dad out of the way." One scene went to the next for no reason, with no transition. Then they pack the last half with confirmation, an awkardly (for the audience) frank conversation between Kanzaki and Rina, and a couple of bombshells. Basically, I'm on the same page as DeathfireD. There was so much in the relations that I can't keep my head straight. Furthermore, part of me is convinced we know Menou's father...wait, could it be Tamaru's dad? No...that can't be right since she said he tried to hook up with her. Ok, so we don't know Menou & Mana's father, but we know they're all related to Yuki, and even Touya should remember them. But since Mana doesn't even seem to remember Yuki, it seems like that excuses Touya from remembering Menou. Still though, I'm not totally sure what Touya's dad's dream with Yuki was all about. I don't know if it's totally true, or somewhat fictionalized in his head. There's something really strange about how he was telling her to encourage Touya for him and how he tries hard. I don't really get what that's about. Oh well. Hopefully Akira's dead since after all his bad-mouthing Touya, he turns around and dates Haruka. And yay for being right. |
Dec 7, 2009 9:16 PM
#23
noteDhero said: What a terrible episode this was. The first half was basically, "Touya needs too hook up more, and we need to get his dad out of the way." One scene went to the next for no reason, with no transition. Then they pack the last half with confirmation, an awkardly (for the audience) frank conversation between Kanzaki and Rina, and a couple of bombshells. Yeah I though so too but the art was nice with the father....they sure gave him a nice goodbye so to speak. noteDhero said: Basically, I'm on the same page as DeathfireD. There was so much in the relations that I can't keep my head straight. Furthermore, part of me is convinced we know Menou's father...wait, could it be Tamaru's dad? No...that can't be right since she said he tried to hook up with her. Ok, so we don't know Menou & Mana's father, but we know they're all related to Yuki, and even Touya should remember them. But since Mana doesn't even seem to remember Yuki, it seems like that excuses Touya from remembering Menou. Did not Mana say that her dad is someone who is the captain of a cruise ship and is never around then we don't know him but it could be possible that Touya's father has something to do with it....not sure but Menou nor Mana look anything like Touya only Yuki...even Haruka not sure but it might be. Mana and Menou might share something with the father but then it means Touya's father is a adulterer. noteDhero said: Still though, I'm not totally sure what Touya's dad's dream with Yuki was all about. I don't know if it's totally true, or somewhat fictionalized in his head. There's something really strange about how he was telling her to encourage Touya for him and how he tries hard. I don't really get what that's about. I find it strange too...though you might know but maybe not....any theories of speculations...it looked more something of Touya is miserable so don't give up on him. noteDhero said: Don't forget the nice punch he gave to Touya after his uncle Frank did the same thing in season 1. Coincidence?Oh well. Hopefully Akira's dead since after all his bad-mouthing Touya, he turns around and dates Haruka. And yay for being right. |
Dec 8, 2009 1:12 AM
#24
Aww poor Touya's dad whatever-his-name. : < But then again, goddammit Touya D: And luckily, Haruka turned around there instead of going in. But oh lol at how everyone's apparantly related to eachother xD. And oh lol Akira got smacked. magentaanbu said: School Days ending nao? Yes please, I really can't see any other possible ending right now |
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Dec 8, 2009 1:33 AM
#25
haha.. so many things happened and were revealed.. i knew menou was kanzaki's daughter (through instinct) and i was shocked they were going to kill akira (as soon as i see him bike).. i still can't see the big picture nor how it would end, though.. i'm in for DeathfireD's no school days ending.. i don't see anyone becoming crazy enough to kill.. nor do i find a reason or way (through instinct) for touya to die (coz they used the disease and traffic accident already).. don't mind a lot on what i think.. i'm just guessing.. |
Dec 8, 2009 11:58 AM
#26
You filthy manwhore. Just make an end to it already. |
Dec 8, 2009 4:40 PM
#27
francismeunier said: Did not Mana say that her dad is someone who is the captain of a cruise ship and is never around then we don't know him but it could be possible that Touya's father has something to do with it....not sure but Menou nor Mana look anything like Touya only Yuki...even Haruka not sure but it might be. Mana and Menou might share something with the father but then it means Touya's father is a adulterer. The only two that actually look alike are Touya and Haruka. However Yuki and Touya have similar personality's. Just because they don't all look a like does not mean there not related. |
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Dec 8, 2009 10:51 PM
#28
DeathfireD said: francismeunier said: Did not Mana say that her dad is someone who is the captain of a cruise ship and is never around then we don't know him but it could be possible that Touya's father has something to do with it....not sure but Menou nor Mana look anything like Touya only Yuki...even Haruka not sure but it might be. Mana and Menou might share something with the father but then it means Touya's father is a adulterer. The only two that actually look alike are Touya and Haruka. However Yuki and Touya have similar personality's. Just because they don't all look a like does not mean there not related. You know what's interesting I found out in the subs is that Touya's father house was used for family and father's acquaintances to live in rooms so many things might have happened but either Yuki or Haruka is a half sister to Touya and one might be a pure blood sister. Thanks for pic....made it more clear but if that is true then clearly Touya committed incest and like noteDhero said....this is not what normal people do. desolato said: Yes dear, you tell him and also do this to him:You filthy manwhore. Just make an end to it already. |
Dec 9, 2009 2:30 AM
#29
Wait, guys, where is this whole incest debate coming from? |
Dec 9, 2009 5:30 AM
#30
desolato said: Assuming that Haruka looks most like Touya and she is a real sister to him. Assuming (more like 100% certain) that he had sex with her...it would be incest. Right?Wait, guys, where is this whole incest debate coming from? |
Dec 9, 2009 1:35 PM
#31
BitchMaster said: lol exactly what i thought too, cant wait to see how hes going to smex, i mean catch. mana's got to be the hardest one! LOL bitch got struck by a truck...Nice rhyme 8-) Other than that...DOUBLE~SUTRI~KU!!! 3 down, 4 more to go...Gotta smex 'em all!!! Is this a new pokemon series for adults or something? LOL I know I would play it...8-) yeah mana and rina probably the most difficult to smex, ops catch. menou is in range already and yuki is the easiest but no body wants her~ :-( ps:lol i almost shit myself just now.....kara no kyoukai is out!!!! the most anticipated for years.... MUST..WATCH.... NOW!!! its going to be bloody today... xD. |
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Dec 9, 2009 3:40 PM
#32
desolato said: Wait, guys, where is this whole incest debate coming from? Since episode 1 of this season lol. |
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Dec 10, 2009 1:05 PM
#33
Poor Akira. Read my MakoTouya blog post. http://myanimelist.net/blog/Yandere |
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Dec 10, 2009 2:24 PM
#34
O EM GEE!!! your blog is so wonderful~ it's like the best thing ever created since peanut butter. I cried rivers of tears while reading the amazing contents it has and those rivers of tears form what known to humans as the Mekong river, how wonderful~ |
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Dec 10, 2009 8:19 PM
#35
Kujikawa Rise? I just noticed.. So many unbelievable things yet it ends tragically.. Akira dies after having a date with Haruka. How could that have happened? He turned his bike in the opposite direction only to be hit by a truck. Speaking of deaths, Touya's father dies while daydreaming of Morikawa Yuki. It is also revealed that Morikawa Yuki is a distant relative of Matsuyama Menou and Mizuki Mana. Menou and Mana are actually sisters. Huh!? Morikawa Yuki has been chosen for the Venus Festival and her challenger is Menou Matsuyama but the lady had went missing to later show up possibly sleeping with Touya. Actually, Touya had also slept with Misaki earlier when she broke up with Akira. Then, Touya goes to treat Mana soon afterwards to dinner as that she had passed her exams. After that, he met up with Haruka. This doesn't sound quite right but perhaps, the visual novel is designed that way... Anyhow, two episodes until the end.. Since Morikawa Yuki will be performing her new song at the Venus Festival, it indicates that there will be a new insert song single from Hirano Aya but there won't be any from Mizuki Nana as that Ogata Rina will not be performing at the Venus Festival. On the contrary, it is still too early to consider as that two episodes remain. Unlike most visual novels, I don't think every main character minus the protagonist will have their own chara song. |
Dec 11, 2009 11:29 AM
#36
Kujikawa Rise >>>>>>>>>>> Rina IMHO, sad but true and you can't deny it, 'nuff said ;) |
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Dec 13, 2009 5:40 PM
#37
ehm... am I like the only one who noticed a woman @ around 10:05 standing all in black with a crematory in the background. It was as if she was tearing Misaki's letter to Touya's dad. But I doubt it was Misaki.. or did the animators got totally crazy? Well, I'd still rather claim that that woman was in fact someone else VERY special and important to the plot. To me she looked like a woman Touya's dad had mistook when talking to Yuki. As if that woman heard about his death and decided to come to the farewell ceremony... but eventually stopped at the very last moment. And teared her own letter. But if it's still was Misaki.. then shame on you, the animators!!! another thing regarding Misaki.. in her letter to Touya's dad she referred to him as 'Uncle'. So does it mean Touya and Misaki are actually cousins? Are they relatives?????? Somehow I still don't believe Yuki's blood-related to Touya... I'm still considering Touya and Haruka as brother and sister (even if they are not blood-related). And as we now know, Menou and Mana are sisters. And both Menou and Mana are relatives with Yuki. They are not close relatives though. Yet everything so far beatifully sticks with the ED pics. And I feel more and more curious as how everything will eventually end up. |
Dec 13, 2009 10:04 PM
#38
soulelle said: another thing regarding Misaki.. in her letter to Touya's dad she referred to him as 'Uncle'. So does it mean Touya and Misaki are actually cousins? Are they relatives?????? Or she could've just been referring to him as 'Uncle' as a term of respect. Having to do with politeness. Although I'm not sure at all, I mean.. anything's possible in this series xD |
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Dec 14, 2009 3:28 AM
#39
Oosran said: Hold on! I though it was refering to Akira's uncle.....to say to him she does not want to be with Akira anymore and breaks up. I though that's why Akira knew all because his uncle Frank...(wait it is his uncle that operates Echo cafe).soulelle said: another thing regarding Misaki.. in her letter to Touya's dad she referred to him as 'Uncle'. So does it mean Touya and Misaki are actually cousins? Are they relatives?????? Or she could've just been referring to him as 'Uncle' as a term of respect. Having to do with politeness. Although I'm not sure at all, I mean.. anything's possible in this series xD |
Dec 14, 2009 8:27 AM
#40
francismeunier said: Oosran said: Hold on! I though it was refering to Akira's uncle.....to say to him she does not want to be with Akira anymore and breaks up. I though that's why Akira knew all because his uncle Frank...(wait it is his uncle that operates Echo cafe).soulelle said: another thing regarding Misaki.. in her letter to Touya's dad she referred to him as 'Uncle'. So does it mean Touya and Misaki are actually cousins? Are they relatives?????? Or she could've just been referring to him as 'Uncle' as a term of respect. Having to do with politeness. Although I'm not sure at all, I mean.. anything's possible in this series xD sou desu ka? wow... that's the WA's favourite trap - whatever you see on screen, it can be interpreted several ways... but I think, francismeunier, you're right about it.. Uncle Frank seems to me more logical now... but I'll rewatch the episode tonight anyway ^^ |
Dec 20, 2009 5:30 AM
#41
o-olll tsk tsk ... playboy >< someone met with a traffic incident ? |
Jan 26, 2010 9:22 AM
#42
Feb 4, 2011 11:54 AM
#43
Yup it seems like everyone's somehow related to everyone in this series! LOL I wish I could have seen Akira punch Touya... that will make me feel good too even a little bit. Wondering if AKira's still alive after this... moving on to the next episode now. |
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Sep 11, 2012 5:34 PM
#44
Damn, that brutal ending... |
Dec 22, 2012 4:56 PM
#45
Nov 13, 2013 1:53 PM
#47
The fathers death scene was pretty nice done.. the maincharacter becomes a bigger asshole every epiosde, to see him kinda pisses me off already... I hope this will end like School Days^^ AND harukis sentence: "You dont belong to me. I'll give you back to Yuki"... LLLOOOLL, i know she was a pretty plain and uninteresting character from the start on, but now i can add "absolutly stupid and ignorant" |
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Nov 26, 2013 1:10 AM
#48
lol when haruka said, i will give you back to Yuki, i just really laugh very hard, this show is really a comedy, because its hard to take things seriously when main caracthers is a douchebag who dont care about any feeling at all and kissing and raping every girls on his way... but still...these girls want him? p.s this anime is like serious sometime and 50% of the time its a totally no sense, aww well i guess im too old for these kind of thing!! |
Apr 12, 2014 6:31 PM
#49
Apr 22, 2015 1:45 AM
#50
Kanzaki said that Menou is her daughter so that means she's Mana's older sister! So Touya's father died. That sucks. Glad it made Touya sad. Fuck him. He banged both Misaki and Menou it looks like from there near the end. She was on Touya's bed but was fully clothed. Loos like the world knows that Menou doesn't sing. It that other girl who never talks. Damn. Is Akira dead? From the size of the truck I think it he did. although it was kinda his fault. Shouldn't he had stopped before crossing the street. He just kept going without looking. I wonder how everyone is going to react to this. |
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