who are the strongest

@Orangeblobfish When did it happen? The only time I saw Shanks bring someone to their knees was in the movie red with Momonga and he was just a vice admiral…

Also you overestimate Shanks a lot if you think that his haki alone is enough to bring Kizaru or Greenbull to their knees, Kizaru was not afraid to go to Wano to face Kaido and Big Mom, while Greenbull instead defeated Weevil who is said to have a strength equal to that of Newgate in the prime… If Shanks were to win it would be im extreme diff in both cases.

Bro how did Newgate hit Akainu without haki if Akainu is a rogia? Also no he wasn't defeated he just fell because the ground beneath him collapsed and we know that Akainu can't fly, while he melted half of Newgate's head, on the contrary Akainu only received light damage from Newgate and you can see this as 2 chapters Akainu goes back up and fights with everyone, and yes you see him fighting alone with the commanders of Newgate only that it is off screen, there is also Akainu who says: "do you think you can stop me?"

Also you always bring misinformation when you write, the warlords were 5 and for the whole war they did nothing, Sengoku and Garp the same, Kuzan and Kizaru what did they do in the whole war? Kuzan only defeated Jozu and then disappeared who knows where, Kizaru was humiliating Newgate but then he also disappeared who knows where when he could have killed him, the 100k soldiers don't count for anything with strong individuals. Garp and Sengoku would stop Teach unless you support Teach > Garp and Sengoku.

And yes admirals can defeat emperors 1 vs 1

@Leon888 In the beginning Admirals + Shichibukai vs Yonkou. There is the Rocks vs Navy + Roger to guide yourself too.
In Marineford, Shanks and crew coming was enough to stop the war.
Supposing they go 1v1 without crew after time skip in the manga, we had a lot of demonstrations of the power tilting toward the Yonkou, for example Dressrosa, and the end of Wano Arc. Egghead arc also shows a Yonkou beating a admiral.

The fact that there are only 3 admirals and 4 yonkou, and the yonkou crew composition, since you read the manga, should be enough to say yonkou have power advantage.

@Leon888 Ok but in my first point i did bring up how Akainu is the only Admiral with a chance, you insist that akainu beats the emperors which i don’t doubt is true, but what about the other ones? I don’t think they do, so akainu might win a 1v1 but i dont think the other admirals are strong enough.

@Leon888 you didn't debunk anything tho. You're just a yonko denier. You made this thread to push your Admiral agenda not to actually have a discussion about it. I and many others have shown you proof that Yonko >>> Admiral and your replies amount to "you don't know how to read." None of the evidence from the manga is going to change your mind. You didn't want genuine conversation you wanted to talk down to people. I can already see this discussion is heading nowhere, I fell for your bait, I admit it, but now I'm done. Enjoy arguing a moot point it's what you clearly came here for.

@Sasori56483 -They are Navy + Fleet of 7 = 4 emperors and their armies.
-If you have seen God Valley for now the only forces deployed are only Garp with his men, Garling with his 3 divine knights and Roger with his crew, Sengoku and the other 2 admirals are totally missing in that conflict against the Rocks pirates.
-Shanks said in Marineford that he did not want to fight but that if the war went on it would lead to nothing and despite challenging the Navy to come forward, and thanks to Sengoku if he stops the war.
-Dessrossa what demonstration was there?
-Why would the end of the Wano arc be a demonstration? Greenbull didn't want to fight the Red Pirates since in the situation he was in he would have been forced to fight 2 yonko and their crews alone in enemy territory
-The Egghead arc is the presentation of the opposite in reality, Luffy didn't beat Kizaru, and Kizaru who let himself be defeated, in fact Oda in the sbs of volume 110 confirms that it was Kizaru who secretly gave the food to Luffy...
-Also there are 3 admirals + a fleet admiral and 4 emperors, I don't count the crews in 1 vs 1 fights, since then we should also consider the forces of the Navy.
-And we have Akainu, Kizaru, Greenbull and Fujitora on the admirals side while on the emperors side we have Shanks, Luffy, Teach and Buggy (but let's consider Mihawk, since he was the real candidate). Kizaru vs Luffy we have seen how Kizaru is more powerful (confirmed by Oda), Akainu vs Shanks, it could go either way but I would give it more to Akainu since he would only need one well-placed attack to take out Shanks and he can handle powerful blows very well, Greenbull vs Teach honestly I see Teach at a disadvantage, Teach was also having difficulty with S Hawk and Law who are weaker than an admiral... while Fujitora vs Mihawk is the only fight that I see going for the emperors, so for this reason I see the admirals as stronger right now.

@Leon888

@Orangeblobfish - We have Akainu, Kizaru, Greenbull and Fujitora on the admirals side while on the emperors side we have Shanks, Luffy, Teach and Buggy (but let's consider Mihawk, since he was the real candidate). Kizaru vs Luffy we have seen how Kizaru is more powerful (confirmed by Oda), Akainu vs Shanks, it could go either way but I would give it more to Akainu since he would only need one well-placed attack to take out Shanks and he can handle powerful blows very well, Greenbull vs Teach honestly I see Teach at a disadvantage, Teach was also having difficulty with S Hawk and Law who are weaker than an admiral... while Fujitora vs Mihawk is the only fight that I see going for the emperors, so for this reason I see the admirals as stronger right now.

it's really catastrophic what you're saying I'm sorry but all the arguments you pull are out of your ass bro you're all alone. But still I loveee to debates so let's go 🙌
Fist all your arguments are contradicted in chapter 0. Shikki, an emperor fighting who ?? Garp AND Sengoku Ohhh how weird... but obviously you're going to say that they didn't fight with all their strength even though they destroyed half of Marineford but hey that's the only thing you can say so you're going to say it 🤣
There has always been a balance in OP since the beginning of the manga which is 1 yonko crew = the navy = the shishibukais it has always been said.
And now you want to tell me that Whitebeard went to Marineford with all his precious children while there were Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku and Mihawk who are yonko level (I feel that for you Mihawk is yonko level so I include him 🤣) so in short 6 characters who have yonko level??? you realize that it's really a big piece of shit to think that I hope 🙏 ah but nah WB went there knowing that so he sent all his children to die 🤣

In an official Databook it is said that Marco competes with the admirals so he is yonko level too???

In passing, I remind you that:
1. WB was old + sick + injured (he literally took a sword to the chest) he was like 2 fingers from death but he still almost destroyed Akainu..
2. The crew was missing Ace, Thatch and Bb
(If just Ace was there it would have been almost fair).
3. Mihawk the yonko attacked WB to see the level that separated them (don't tell me the distance you'd be ridiculous.) but he was blocked by who??? Jozzu 🤣 again mihawk the yonko couldn't pass vista and crocodile the only ones he passed were 2 trans PNJ and Mr 1 bruhh that says a lot about his level...
4. How were Marco and Jozz "defeated"? by surprise... well it's weird for yonko levels, the only way they found is to attack from the back/by surprise 🫢 ( Again, don't tell me that they hold back for some shit reason you'd be ridiculous..)
I could go on for a lonnnnng time and give LOTS of other arguments but I'm going to wait for your response to laugh a little bit more but I hope you will make me change my mind 🤣 (but I'm warning you that won't happen I'm on the side of facts and good thinking but still try to debunk me I love to debates 🙌).

@Leon888 Akainu was only admiral pre-time skip , if we’re doing that than let’s compare them with old gen emperors, replace Luffy, Mihawk and Blackbeard with Kaido, Bigmom and Whitebeard than it is over for the admirals. All time (old gen and me gen) emperors and stronger than admirals.

@Orangeblobfish If we replace the old generation emperors, then we also replace the admirals: Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru vs Newgate, Kaido, Big Mom. Let's take them all in their prime.
- I don't see Big Mom winning against any of the admirals.
- Kaido could win against all of them but Akainu is very questionable because it could go either way.
- I only see Newgate winning against Kuzan, Akainu is questionable he could go either way, the only real problem for Newgate would be Kizaru because he is a terrible matchup for him, the point is that Newgate is very strong and durable but is very slow with attacks, Kizaru on the other hand is very fast, he could dodge all of Newgate's attacks and hit constantly until he wins the fight.
- In short, here too it depends on how you match up the fights because it could go for both the admirals and the emperors... saying that the emperors win regardless is very wrong

I totally agree that Admirals=Emperors
And for the people saying that greenbull got defeated by shank's haki, pls learn to read. It was obvious that greenbull didn't want to fight because he was at a disadvantage as he would have to fight shank's whole crew alone which he will obviously lose. Also in marineford, the adrimals took 0 damage, even Akainu. In the manga it was very clear that Akainu took no damage while white beard's face was ripped apart by a single punch by Akainu. These retards need to grow up and stop d*ck riding the emperors.

I totally agree that Admirals=Emperors
And for the people saying that greenbull got defeated by shank's haki, pls learn to read. It was obvious that greenbull didn't want to fight because he was at a disadvantage as he would have to fight shank's whole crew alone which he will obviously lose. Also in marineford, the adrimals took 0 damage, even Akainu. In the manga it was very clear that Akainu took no damage while white beard's face was ripped apart by a single punch by Akainu. These retards need to grow up and stop d*ck riding the emperors.

@Leon888 First of all, you are heavily downplaying big mom, in Wano she was simply not in her best form leading to her defeat against an awakened Law and Kidd but nonetheless she is close to if not at the same level as Kaido. There is only one Emperor stronger than Kaido and Big Mom and that is Whitebeard. In his prime he could go against Kizaru and Kuzan and come out victorious although barely. Akainu would be a bit of a challenge but let’s not forget that Whitebeard was rivals with Roger, arguably stronger than him, and known as the strongest man of all time.

@Star_Platinum696 Number 1, Shanks stomps on Greenbull end of discussion.
Number 2, the line up for the pirates in Marineford weren’t as strong as the Marines, they had a old washed up Whitebeard on his deathbed barely able to do anything, a pre haki luffy, crocodile and a bunch of impel down randoms and weak members of White Beard’s fleet. Literally if Shanks and Kaido pulled up it would’ve been over in a couple minutes. They were too scared to have shanks fight alongside them, if Shanks hadn’t stopped kaido Marineford would be over in a flash. You are making Admirals sound way stronger than they are.

İndividually emperors man cmon. you can’t underestimate Shanks or Blackbeard now, he literally one tapped kid, also we have cross guild which includes strongest swordsman and ex-schichibukai croco. On the other hand, what the f is slow ass kizaru gonna do.

I mean, the point of the warlord system was to have more powerful people on the WG's side (even if they were basically bought) so that they could be balanced with the emperor's. The system itself may not have worked, but it shows that the Admirals by themselves aren't more powerful than the Emperors.

To start, sorry for the delay, I didn't really have time to write and it took me longer than expected. But I responded to everything you wrote to me, hoping that you will do the same and that you will change your mind hopefully.

So let's go.

Yah excuse me there was no emperor at that time, or at least we don't have the information, but what I wanted to say is that Shikki was a rival of Roger, he has the emperor level, he literally forced garp and sengoku to fight together against him why did they fight in pairs if only one had the level to beat him?? go find me a non-fraudulent reason please 🤣

-okayyy wow so once again you didn't understand the manga.. garp told post enies lobby that the navy and the shishibukai exist to counter the 4 emperors. But since you're stupid(don't understand), you think it's all 4 together ...
But just a simple question, are they allied?? no, absolutely not, they are enemies, they each have a territory and that is why there is a balance in the world because they are NOT ALLIED.

Explain to me why the 2 times when 2 yonkos met (shanks who meet WB and Kaido with BM) the navy was sweating??
Besides, why did Kaido suddenly decide to ally himself with BM?? because for him, the navy now represents a risk. For what ? because of the Ssg which replaced the shishibukais. So before that Kaido didn't see the navy/shishibukais as a threat.
So, 1 emperor's crew = the navy = the 7 shishibukais. But obviously you are going to contradict me with lame arguments so I will continue my argument:

if for you the admirals are stronger or equal to the emperors that means that the navy has 5 characters of yonkos level or more, against 4 yonkos.. where is the balance there?.. 🤣🤣 why then does the navy not attack the emperors 1 by 1?? They would easily destroy them like that normally so why don't they do it??? come on tell me. And please 😂 don't tell me it's because if they attack a yonko the others will take the opportunity to attack the navy it absolutely doesn't work, it's totally illogical and What I said above about Kaido and BM easily undoes that. (I prefer to specify because it has been brought out to me many times)

We saw very clearly at Marineford that the navy had to deploy ALL its forces and had to concoct a meticulous plan to be able to win, they even resorted to pacifistas 🤣(if the navy was really as powerful as you say it absolutely wouldn't have needed this).
And plus, they needed all this when WB only had half its strength, and the crew was missing Ace and Thatch... (Tho the WB crew literally lost because of this).

-Marineford incoherent ?? Lol nahh it is totally coherent. It's just incorehent for u because YOU want admirals to be yonko level 🤣 which is absolutely not the case.

"the fleet of 7 did nothing during the entire war" firstly we didn't read the same things, they were active during the war.

-mihawk against vista, crocodile, mister 1, Luffy.. plus his attack at the beginning to see his power gap against WB plus fight against NPCs

-Hancock vs smoker, she gives the key to Ace's handcuffs to Luffy plus fights against NPCs

-Doflamingo all his speech, small "attack" behind Jozz's back into his request for an alliance with crocodile, the manipulation of Atmos (13th fleet) so that he attacks his mates, the discussion with Ivankov concerning Kuma, the attack to slice off Oz jr's leg plus fights against NPCs

-Moria, attack on Oz jr and fight against jimbei

And finally,
-Kuma, Ursus shock against Oz Jr, fight against Ivankov. The bro is just a machine.

Anyway, I probably forgot a few things, but what more did you want them to do? because I guess you're speaking against the WB crew but other than against allies and low level commanders they wouldn't have done much. (Besides Mihawk who for as the level of a Yc1/admirals...) Additionally, their narrative goal in the arc was much more focused on Luffy, the prisoners and the former corsairs, and we clearly see it.

if Oda wanted to show that an admiral could kill/defeat a yonko, why didn't he do it? he could very well have done it since WB was extremely nerf (old, sick and fucking wounded). But he didn't do it. Afterwards for me it's just logical asf so do as you want.. 🥱
Chapter 568* because he couldn't, it's that simple.
Kizaru humiliates WB?? 🤣 why didn't he finish it? because he couldn't too that's all. You saw that with part of his face torn off, a huge hole in his stomach and all other injuries.. WB continued to fight, he is literally superhuman, what do you think Kizaru is going to do to him 😂

The admirals disappear... Bro, there are literally well over 10,000 pirates to fight, plus fleet captains and allied captains.
And I can say the same thing about the WB captains. They do disappear sometimes also. This is not an argument bruhh.
Plus the fact that Oda is not going to show only the admirals eh, and lots of fights are off screen Oda himself said it.

“even mihawk who wanted to face WB ends up doing nothing” bro are you serious?? Mihawk literally tested his power at the very beginning and was countered by Jozzu. It ends there, you have your answer.

sengoku and garp were protecting the scaffold but anyway don't talk to me about this sengoku fraud please 🤣 he couldn't even stop Luffy and BB (on the other hand his plan was excellent).

"The databooks are rubbish..." No.., the only thing that's rubbish is you insulting Oda and contradicting what he wrote. Because YOU don't want to accept it. Yes Marco do compete well with the admirals it is written in black and white you can't deny it.

1- Because your fucking akainu who is level Yonko for you was TROUBLED against WB who already had half of his body in the grave please think for 2 seconds...
Yeahhh sure Akainu was solo against all the commanders 🥱 that's why the next page where we see Akainu we see lots of marines just behind him... And what did he do against the commanders? he beat Curiel (commander of the 10th fleet) wow incredible track record 😂

Btw just so you take into account the fact that at this moment, the commanders' goal was to hold back Akainu and the navy who were trying to kill Luffy. And I'll let you imagine their mental state, they just lost their father and Ace but hey you take it into account or not as you wish..
and finally ok Akainu managed to tank the attacks of a completely dying WB gg he is a little resistant.
you didn't finish your sentence?

2- "strangely thought you do not mention these facts" 😂 bahahaha excuse me it's true, 2 shishibukais are missing 😂🥱
you're really complaining about 2 shishibukais while for you there are 5-6 yonkos in the navy wooowwww that's crazy bro...Even you don't believe that the admirals are yonko level when saying that...

Once again you understand nothing about the power ratio of One Piece..
Very simply, 1 yonko crew = the navy = 7 shishibukais (and there crew) so there, THE WHOLE NAVY faces WB's crew it should be fair normally except that WB has about half its power and Ace and Thatch are missing so it's not fair. plus the fact that there are around 100k marines, to that you add the entire WB fleet but even with that it's not really equivalent And the 5 shishibukais but they are countered by Luffy and his allies so from the start it wasn't too fair and WB knew he would die. and to finish "strangely thought you do not mention these facts" you never talked about Ace Thatch and the level of WB.. and the fact that the navy used the Pacifistas...

3- wtf are you yaping about man🤣 Once again Mihawk tested his power at the very beginning and was countered by Jozzu you can't deny that bruhh and no that was absolutely not the same attack/power on Mr1 🤣 pls re-watch the 2 attack bro ...

Bro Stop talking in the name of Oda wtf, he know what he want to do that's all.
Fortunately for mihawk he beat Mr1 bro it's his only achievement if he hadn't beaten him, it would have been the king of frauds. (I like mihawk but let's be serious 2 seconds).

Where tf did mihawk said that he wanted to see Vista's sword technique?? Bro 🤔🤔 he just said he knew Vista that's all. And please stop talking in Oda's place, it's boring and useless. Oda does what he wants, he managed Marineford very well and mihawk, please stop saying things that are beyond your control.

Of course in a war, if the enemy is distracted by something you have to take advantage of it I probably would too. But given the level you think the admirals are, they shouldn't need that to beat them. Like if the admirals are far stronger than the commanders, why they needed your "distraction" to defeat them?? against someone of the same level or stronger of course you could need it but.. anyways look at your logic ..

Ohh my god your last argument 😭🥱 bro Akainu just killed Ace, do you think WB is going to come up behind him like a flower, pat him on the shoulder and ask him to continue the fight?? 🤣 are you stupid??..
Lol after seeing your "arguments" and mine I'm definitely in the side of facts. Given your vision of things, you are swimming in an imaginary world which is not One Piece written by Eiichiro Oda.. Anyways hope u had a good read. Good luck countering me.