I hope this doesn't question doesn't get banned, but re watching the show draws a lot of parallel to some on-going wars/conflicts.

Jan 19, 1:29 PM

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i can’t back this up with facts but to my knowledge many wars in the last hundred years were started with the excuse „they attacked us first we are just defending ourselves“ in my opinion the author didn’t foreshadowed anything he simply took inspiration of our history.

edit: and yes sadly many people tend to think “this nation is responsible for this action so every citizen is a bad person”

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Jan 19, 1:33 PM

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Dude, you're talking about a title that is literally and openly a satire of the largest military conflict in human history. I understand that Zen was trying to be subtle at the beginning, but at the beginning of the arc with the communists, it had to literally throw the meta in your face.

Jan 19, 1:51 PM

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GodsTheGuy said:
Yea, I am talking about the war in Gaza, to be honest, the whole of episode 8 feels like the Israel vs Gaza war, where Israel was ultimately attacked first (I know the history, but Israel was to be honest attacked and invaded first) and then they killed lot of civilians and PoWs.

In the Anime/Manga/LN, the justification Tanya used and what Israel uses are literally the same. The way the Republic operates and how they made every citizen of the Republic automatically hate the empire justifies Tanya killing normal citizens, as it is the only way to prevent more casualties. These are the same arguments I hear from Jewish RA, which is kinda true and not true at the same time. Saying because my Indian Muslim friends hate random fellow Jewish Indians just because they are Jewish.

Just shows you that a war is never black and white, it happens because of layers of complexity and years of history. Tanya the Evil is well written because it actually mimics real life war, and as the author is self proclaimed communist, you cannot even say that he is biased because, 1. He wrote the whole thing way before the Gaza conflict and 2. Communists side with Gaza instead of Israel.

I look forward to reading the light novels after Season 2 comes out, hopefully this year.

Wars have been killing civilians since wars are a thing. And this regardless of who unleashed it, lost it or won it.

Wars themselves are the unbearable shame of humanity. Nothing to glorify nor to celebrate only men, women and children to mourn.

This show hasn't foreshadowed anything

Jan 19, 1:59 PM

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I can't believe a war anime that is inspired by the most known and important war in history might have similarities with a real-life war.

Jan 19, 5:07 PM

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War is war bc Civilians get dragged into it, if War was just the soldiers from both sides killing each other it might as well call it a Modern day Gladiator match. Since most countries soldiers enlisted willingly and weren’t drafted.

Jan 19, 5:16 PM

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That's a pretty loaded proclamation you're making there. Hamas didn't attack Israel in a military effort. They breached a couple of walls and murdered and raped thousands of civilians, and kidnapped hundreds more. That's not a paralel with the show I think.

As far as I know, Israel never targeted civilians specifically, much less tried to justify targeting civilians. Civilians are a casualty of war, not a target. It's not normal but it is expected. Specially when half of them are hamas in plainclothes and rhe the other are people who refused to leave sites that they were told were going to be bombed because, you know, it's were the plainclothes hamas guys were.

Then there's also the fact that Hamas are a bunch if fraudulent lying cavemen, who lied about the hospital "strike" early on, the "refugee camp" that was actually a suburb and a hamas base of operations, the unrwa sites that later came out hamas was going in and out of, and had hostages in them, and so on.

A notable lie: people are being genocided and starved to death, except for when they have to protest the few alive remaining hostages being returned, in which case they all find their uniforms and the energy they need to flood the streets the second they get a ceasefire and scream at and further terrorize women who were probably tortured and raped repeatedly. The poor gazans.

Is the syrian civil war, the russian invasion, the Myanmar conflict, or any of the African wars not the same? How would you know? You've been led to assume that the jews are the ones murdering nameless innocent people by the thousands, but really, it's just a case of the most deplorable terrorists in the world lying so much about it that everyone believes it, and people not caring when it happens everywhere else, because jew=bad.

Jan 19, 6:13 PM

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That's a pretty loaded proclamation you're making there. Hamas didn't attack Israel in a military effort. They breached a couple of walls and murdered and raped thousands of civilians, and kidnapped hundreds more. That's not a paralel with the show I think.

As far as I know, Israel never targeted civilians specifically, much less tried to justify targeting civilians. Civilians are a casualty of war, not a target. It's not normal but it is expected. Specially when half of them are hamas in plainclothes and rhe the other are people who refused to leave sites that they were told were going to be bombed because, you know, it's were the plainclothes hamas guys were.

Then there's also the fact that Hamas are a bunch if fraudulent lying cavemen, who lied about the hospital "strike" early on, the "refugee camp" that was actually a suburb and a hamas base of operations, the unrwa sites that later came out hamas was going in and out of, and had hostages in them, and so on.

A notable lie: people are being genocided and starved to death, except for when they have to protest the few alive remaining hostages being returned, in which case they all find their uniforms and the energy they need to flood the streets the second they get a ceasefire and scream at and further terrorize women who were probably tortured and raped repeatedly. The poor gazans.

Is the syrian civil war, the russian invasion, the Myanmar conflict, or any of the African wars not the same? How would you know? You've been led to assume that the jews are the ones murdering nameless innocent people by the thousands, but really, it's just a case of the most deplorable terrorists in the world lying so much about it that everyone believes it, and people not caring when it happens everywhere else, because jew=bad.

@IhnalakoKaina

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because jew=bad

So true

Jan 19, 6:46 PM

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this does not at all feel like the war in gaza. just a modern ish Great War with some tweaks to the history.

Jan 20, 12:03 AM

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IhnalakoKaina said:
That's a pretty loaded proclamation you're making there. Hamas didn't attack Israel in a military effort. They breached a couple of walls and murdered and raped thousands of civilians, and kidnapped hundreds more. That's not a paralel with the show I think.

As far as I know, Israel never targeted civilians specifically, much less tried to justify targeting civilians. Civilians are a casualty of war, not a target. It's not normal but it is expected. Specially when half of them are hamas in plainclothes and rhe the other are people who refused to leave sites that they were told were going to be bombed because, you know, it's were the plainclothes hamas guys were.

Then there's also the fact that Hamas are a bunch if fraudulent lying cavemen, who lied about the hospital "strike" early on, the "refugee camp" that was actually a suburb and a hamas base of operations, the unrwa sites that later came out hamas was going in and out of, and had hostages in them, and so on.

A notable lie: people are being genocided and starved to death, except for when they have to protest the few alive remaining hostages being returned, in which case they all find their uniforms and the energy they need to flood the streets the second they get a ceasefire and scream at and further terrorize women who were probably tortured and raped repeatedly. The poor gazans.

Is the syrian civil war, the russian invasion, the Myanmar conflict, or any of the African wars not the same? How would you know? You've been led to assume that the jews are the ones murdering nameless innocent people by the thousands, but really, it's just a case of the most deplorable terrorists in the world lying so much about it that everyone believes it, and people not caring when it happens everywhere else, because jew=bad.

Are you serious? ‘Israel’ has been killing the people of Palestine pretty much indiscriminately for over 75 years. You could start by looking into the great march of return and the way the IOF acted there.

Jan 20, 12:08 AM

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IhnalakoKaina said:
That's a pretty loaded proclamation you're making there. Hamas didn't attack Israel in a military effort. They breached a couple of walls and murdered and raped thousands of civilians, and kidnapped hundreds more. That's not a paralel with the show I think.

As far as I know, Israel never targeted civilians specifically, much less tried to justify targeting civilians. Civilians are a casualty of war, not a target. It's not normal but it is expected. Specially when half of them are hamas in plainclothes and rhe the other are people who refused to leave sites that they were told were going to be bombed because, you know, it's were the plainclothes hamas guys were.

Then there's also the fact that Hamas are a bunch if fraudulent lying cavemen, who lied about the hospital "strike" early on, the "refugee camp" that was actually a suburb and a hamas base of operations, the unrwa sites that later came out hamas was going in and out of, and had hostages in them, and so on.

A notable lie: people are being genocided and starved to death, except for when they have to protest the few alive remaining hostages being returned, in which case they all find their uniforms and the energy they need to flood the streets the second they get a ceasefire and scream at and further terrorize women who were probably tortured and raped repeatedly. The poor gazans.

Is the syrian civil war, the russian invasion, the Myanmar conflict, or any of the African wars not the same? How would you know? You've been led to assume that the jews are the ones murdering nameless innocent people by the thousands, but really, it's just a case of the most deplorable terrorists in the world lying so much about it that everyone believes it, and people not caring when it happens everywhere else, because jew=bad.

Are you serious? ‘Israel’ has been killing the people of Palestine pretty much indiscriminately for over 75 years. You could start by looking into the great march of return and the way the IOF acted there.

@charlie_wheat as I said, wars are complex, Israelis were kicked out from there by Christians first, then by Muslims, but that was like 2000 and 1300 years ago, it's been ages since then so Israel's claim doesn't make that much sense.

But at the same time, reality is that Israel conquered the area and have setup a base, and the do control the world economy, so much so that even Saudi prince cannot go against them directly.

So the logical solution is to bring in Democracy, and make a federal structure, with all Israelis getting Human Rights and everything.

Annihilation of Gaza or Israel is both imagination of respective Right Wings.

Jan 20, 12:21 AM

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Problem, the “innocents” in Gaza are not so innocent soooo yeah…

Jan 20, 12:23 AM

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IhnalakoKaina said:
That's a pretty loaded proclamation you're making there. Hamas didn't attack Israel in a military effort. They breached a couple of walls and murdered and raped thousands of civilians, and kidnapped hundreds more. That's not a paralel with the show I think.

As far as I know, Israel never targeted civilians specifically, much less tried to justify targeting civilians. Civilians are a casualty of war, not a target. It's not normal but it is expected. Specially when half of them are hamas in plainclothes and rhe the other are people who refused to leave sites that they were told were going to be bombed because, you know, it's were the plainclothes hamas guys were.

Then there's also the fact that Hamas are a bunch if fraudulent lying cavemen, who lied about the hospital "strike" early on, the "refugee camp" that was actually a suburb and a hamas base of operations, the unrwa sites that later came out hamas was going in and out of, and had hostages in them, and so on.

A notable lie: people are being genocided and starved to death, except for when they have to protest the few alive remaining hostages being returned, in which case they all find their uniforms and the energy they need to flood the streets the second they get a ceasefire and scream at and further terrorize women who were probably tortured and raped repeatedly. The poor gazans.

Is the syrian civil war, the russian invasion, the Myanmar conflict, or any of the African wars not the same? How would you know? You've been led to assume that the jews are the ones murdering nameless innocent people by the thousands, but really, it's just a case of the most deplorable terrorists in the world lying so much about it that everyone believes it, and people not caring when it happens everywhere else, because jew=bad.

Are you serious? ‘Israel’ has been killing the people of Palestine pretty much indiscriminately for over 75 years. You could start by looking into the great march of return and the way the IOF acted there.

There is no such thing as “people of palastine”. They are Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians.

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charlie_wheat said:

IhnalakoKaina said:
That's a pretty loaded proclamation you're making there. Hamas didn't attack Israel in a military effort. They breached a couple of walls and murdered and raped thousands of civilians, and kidnapped hundreds more. That's not a paralel with the show I think.

As far as I know, Israel never targeted civilians specifically, much less tried to justify targeting civilians. Civilians are a casualty of war, not a target. It's not normal but it is expected. Specially when half of them are hamas in plainclothes and rhe the other are people who refused to leave sites that they were told were going to be bombed because, you know, it's were the plainclothes hamas guys were.

Then there's also the fact that Hamas are a bunch if fraudulent lying cavemen, who lied about the hospital "strike" early on, the "refugee camp" that was actually a suburb and a hamas base of operations, the unrwa sites that later came out hamas was going in and out of, and had hostages in them, and so on.

A notable lie: people are being genocided and starved to death, except for when they have to protest the few alive remaining hostages being returned, in which case they all find their uniforms and the energy they need to flood the streets the second they get a ceasefire and scream at and further terrorize women who were probably tortured and raped repeatedly. The poor gazans.

Is the syrian civil war, the russian invasion, the Myanmar conflict, or any of the African wars not the same? How would you know? You've been led to assume that the jews are the ones murdering nameless innocent people by the thousands, but really, it's just a case of the most deplorable terrorists in the world lying so much about it that everyone believes it, and people not caring when it happens everywhere else, because jew=bad.

Are you serious? ‘Israel’ has been killing the people of Palestine pretty much indiscriminately for over 75 years. You could start by looking into the great march of return and the way the IOF acted there.

Then how do they still exist? How can a group of people be indiscriminately murdered over 75 years yet its population still increases year over year, over that whole period of time? That's some avant garde genocide.

Jan 20, 3:11 AM

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Not even 20 comments, and this thread has already devolved into a political conversation.

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war never changes so we must change instead

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Cielord said:
Not even 20 comments, and this thread has already devolved into a political conversation.

And it’s a whole bunch as nonsense

Jan 20, 3:24 AM

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might is right as history shows too so military might wins sad reality

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