| my main problem is that the pacing feels super inconsistent, sometimes its like a slice of life slow show sometimes it speedruns important shit, i like the concept but the execution is pretty flawed |
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| Thought it's gonna be a post complaining about the relationships in the show, but no, it's a wall of text complaining about other stuff. |
GodsTheGuy said: @Kitsune_089 yea, I agree, I don't know who the director is but I have seen better directing in B grade p*rn movies. “I can’t pay for my pizza with money …” Yeah that is not as good as this show 😅😂 |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
| The show is made for the “Shoujo” crowd, literally meaning “young girls”, it is not going to be as in depth as an anime written for adults, so complaints about the story being simplistic has no weight at all, since it was made to be that way. Knowing that, I had no issues following and understanding the background and main story, it is not “absurd”, it makes sense when you just go with the flow. It is not trying to be too difficult and complicated, it is just straight forward about what people are doing and what is going on, all you need to do is watch and listen to what is actually happening on screen. What I mean is that you are totally way overthinking everything. The story is explaining more and more as it goes along, not overwhelming the audience, and it reveals things as the episodes continue, choosing to do this made things easy to follow and not to complicated. The Male MC does not have a split personality, I have no clue where you got that from, his story makes sense as more and more details are revealed, it is very simple in fact, why not just follow the show. Everything Jill does is calculated and with consideration of the situation, she is experienced, intelligent, logical, cunning, brave, courageous, kind, caring, loving, plus she is using her past history and skills to her advantage in this new life. Of course there is not much “romance”, she is a literal underage child, so everything is surface level shy, nervous, cute, innocent interactions. What in the world were you expecting?! Both main character have growth as the show goes on, since they are the main characters, that’s what you are supposed to focus on, not the rest of the unimportant things you complained about. The villains are not complicated on purpose, it is literally a kids’ show, not an Academy Award wining movie or Pulitzer Prize winning book, so your objections don’t make sense. They are not the main characters or that important to the story, they just help move along the MCs’ storyline. How do you not know that? The male MC is alive still to publicly shame him and execute him, so all the people / citizens see, that’s a pretty obvious historical aspect of the show. How did you miss this? The Dragon Emperor recovered faster than Jill, that makes sense, plus Jill had to use a magical shard to relieve herself of the curse, that is fine. You don’t need to “care about the empire”, that has nothing to do with what they are telling the audience, you are supposed to follow the MCs’ storyline, remember it is written for young people, so they focused on the male and female MCs. The art / animation is totally fine for this anime, it does not need to be expert level, billions of dollars spent, this complaint is just silly. This also explains why there were comedic cartoonish silly aspects to the show, which were expected and not randomly placed. The pacing was a little wonky, but it was not for long, and it pretty quickly got back to a better pace. |
ejleonDec 22, 5:06 AM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
GodsTheGuy said: @DragyG I have read the source and it's really not strictly aimed at younger girls, the themes are way mature for 13-14 year olds, or I am wrong if Su*cide, Incest and R*pe are popular among younglings nowadays. I mean your reply itself says the problem with the show, the direction is so bad that we cannot even say for whom this story was written for. That might be true for the written material, but not the anime. Is is definitely watered down for the anime |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Liental said: @ejleon @GodsTheGuy I mean yeah it's watered down. How else are you going to manage to get a PG-13 rating. Even then if No game No Life, How Not to Summon a Demon Lord, and Eromanga-sensei got PG-13 ratings it shouldn't be that surprising. Where two of these shows have incest themes while the other one is just riddled with fanservice yet it's still rated for the 13 and above crowd. Personally I think of this show as a slice of life with drama which I would assume for most types of villainous show. Both leads have their quirks and I find them to be likeable. Jill is a 10 year old with the mind of a 16 year old and was the Lady Goddess of War which makes for a competent bride for someone like Hadis who has big relationship burdens that he carries. Hadis being treated as a cursed child that would bring ruin to the kingdom and ostracized from his in name only family. Has an awaiting future of being a cold hearted ruthless ruler, but currently has a soft side that he still has from not being hurt emotionally yet. The parts of the show where they turn into chibi's and banter with each other about their relationship. I think it's the best parts as it shows their character to be complex. It's not peak writing that you get the foreshadow from aot plot or best character development from Code Geass. But I think it's a good show for what it's trying to be. A story about how a girl who gets another shot at life to carve out another path for herself. Like you would probably predict from the title of the show. I thought I wasn't gonna like this show before watching it but I've been enjoying it. Before I respond, how is a “fictional fantasy magical adventure world split between basically two gods”, related to our real world historical context? Slice of life anime and manga are narratives , which [take] place in a recognisable, everyday setting, such as a suburban high school, and which [focus] on human relationships that are often romantic in nature." |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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For me, every episode is a crapshoot. Some are boring with not a lot happening, and others are awesome with her fighting and leadership abilities highlighted. The “let’s hang out at the farm and recharge” episodes weren’t fun at all. I get it’s a romance too, but that seems a means-to-an-end to keep the emperor from going off the deep end. If she genuinely falls for him that’s great. Honestly it’s the action that keeps me watching.
| @nhkam The story was not that bad, once certain details were revealed, it actually made sense why they were fighting and why the Dragon Emperor was a threat to the current leadership. The beginning 2 acts started strong, the 3rd act was slow and stalled, then the 4th was back on pace. The empire was like the least important thing in this anime. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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GodsTheGuy said:
@DragyG I have read the source and it's really not strictly aimed at younger girls, the themes are way mature for 13-14 year olds, or I am wrong if Su*cide, Incest and R*pe are popular among younglings nowadays.
I mean your reply itself says the problem with the show, the direction is so bad that we cannot even say for whom this story was written for.
@DragyG I have read the source and it's really not strictly aimed at younger girls, the themes are way mature for 13-14 year olds, or I am wrong if Su*cide, Incest and R*pe are popular among younglings nowadays.
I mean your reply itself says the problem with the show, the direction is so bad that we cannot even say for whom this story was written for.
It's the anime page.
The source material should not be involved when criticising the anime.
| @DragyG I agree with you, I said, "That might be true for the written material, but not the anime. Is is definitely watered down for the anime" |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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Liental said:
@ejleon Not all slice of life are like that but it is true that a great deal of slice of life shows do what you're talking about.
Farming Life in Another World
By The Grace of Gods
Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid
(I say this one, when you say fictional fantasy settings)
Management of Novice Alchemist
I've Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years and Maxed Out My Level
So to your question. It doesn't really matter the setting for a show to be a slice of life. Since slice of life isn't that narrow in its settings as you are describing it to be I more think about the relationship parts that slice of life hones in all aspects of every slice of life show. I do agree on the part where slice of life focuses on general relationships. Which is what I meant when talking about Jill's relationship with Hadis, when they have their chibi moments. In such a case I would describe Frieren as a slice of life in certain parts of the show with action beats. Even though it is categorically a shounen, fantasy show.
@ejleon Not all slice of life are like that but it is true that a great deal of slice of life shows do what you're talking about.
Farming Life in Another World
By The Grace of Gods
Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid
(I say this one, when you say fictional fantasy settings)
Management of Novice Alchemist
I've Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years and Maxed Out My Level
So to your question. It doesn't really matter the setting for a show to be a slice of life. Since slice of life isn't that narrow in its settings as you are describing it to be I more think about the relationship parts that slice of life hones in all aspects of every slice of life show. I do agree on the part where slice of life focuses on general relationships. Which is what I meant when talking about Jill's relationship with Hadis, when they have their chibi moments. In such a case I would describe Frieren as a slice of life in certain parts of the show with action beats. Even though it is categorically a shounen, fantasy show.
When looking at the words actually any story is a slice of life.
The genre depends much more on what we see in that slice of life.
| @DragyG Thanks for sharing, I took it more literally, like it had to be a modern city / job / school setting, so I did not think that applied to a fantasy anime, but I get that those have cities, towns, jobs, education, so it can apply too, with people interacting, so it could apply. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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@ejleon Not all slice of life are like that but it is true that a great deal of slice of life shows do what you're talking about.
Farming Life in Another World
By The Grace of Gods
Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid
(I say this one, when you say fictional fantasy settings)
Management of Novice Alchemist
I've Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years and Maxed Out My Level
So to your question. It doesn't really matter the setting for a show to be a slice of life. Since slice of life isn't that narrow in its settings as you are describing it to be I more think about the relationship parts that slice of life hones in all aspects of every slice of life show. I do agree on the part where slice of life focuses on general relationships. Which is what I meant when talking about Jill's relationship with Hadis, when they have their chibi moments. In such a case I would describe Frieren as a slice of life in certain parts of the show with action beats. Even though it is categorically a shounen, fantasy show.
Farming Life in Another World
By The Grace of Gods
Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid
(I say this one, when you say fictional fantasy settings)
Management of Novice Alchemist
I've Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years and Maxed Out My Level
So to your question. It doesn't really matter the setting for a show to be a slice of life. Since slice of life isn't that narrow in its settings as you are describing it to be I more think about the relationship parts that slice of life hones in all aspects of every slice of life show. I do agree on the part where slice of life focuses on general relationships. Which is what I meant when talking about Jill's relationship with Hadis, when they have their chibi moments. In such a case I would describe Frieren as a slice of life in certain parts of the show with action beats. Even though it is categorically a shounen, fantasy show.
| @Liental I took it more literally, like it had to be a modern city / job / school setting, so I did not think that applied to a fantasy anime, but I get that those have cities, towns, jobs, education, so it can apply too, with people interacting, so it could apply. I liked all those anime too. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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@ejleon @GodsTheGuy I mean yeah it's watered down. How else are you going to manage to get a PG-13 rating. Even then if No game No Life, How Not to Summon a Demon Lord, and Eromanga-sensei got PG-13 ratings it shouldn't be that surprising. Where two of these shows have incest themes while the other one is just riddled with fanservice yet it's still rated for the 13 and above crowd.
Personally I think of this show as a slice of life with drama which I would assume for most types of villainous shows. Both leads have their quirks and I find them to be likeable. Jill is a 10 year old with the mind of a 16 year old and was the Lady Goddess of War which makes for a competent bride for someone like Hadis who has big relationship burdens that he carries. Hadis being treated as a cursed child that would bring ruin to the kingdom and ostracized from his in name only family. Has an awaiting future of being a cold hearted ruthless ruler, but currently has a soft side that he still has from not being hurt emotionally yet.
The parts of the show where they turn into chibi's and banter with each other about their relationship. I think it's the best parts as it shows their character to be complex. It's not peak writing that you get the foreshadow from aot plot or best character development from Code Geass. But I think it's a good show for what it's trying to be. A story about how a girl who gets another shot at life to carve out another path for herself. Like you would probably predict from the title of the show. I thought I wasn't gonna like this show before watching it but I've been enjoying it.
Personally I think of this show as a slice of life with drama which I would assume for most types of villainous shows. Both leads have their quirks and I find them to be likeable. Jill is a 10 year old with the mind of a 16 year old and was the Lady Goddess of War which makes for a competent bride for someone like Hadis who has big relationship burdens that he carries. Hadis being treated as a cursed child that would bring ruin to the kingdom and ostracized from his in name only family. Has an awaiting future of being a cold hearted ruthless ruler, but currently has a soft side that he still has from not being hurt emotionally yet.
The parts of the show where they turn into chibi's and banter with each other about their relationship. I think it's the best parts as it shows their character to be complex. It's not peak writing that you get the foreshadow from aot plot or best character development from Code Geass. But I think it's a good show for what it's trying to be. A story about how a girl who gets another shot at life to carve out another path for herself. Like you would probably predict from the title of the show. I thought I wasn't gonna like this show before watching it but I've been enjoying it.
| @Liental I would not consider "No game No Life, How Not to Summon a Demon Lord, Eromanga-sensei" PG-13, so for me that is surprising, those deal with more mature situations and interactions, so I don't think PG-13 should apply to those. I agree with the rest of the things you said. I mean after you answered the "slice of life" question. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| I really enjoyed this Anime :(.. It gave me goose bumps |
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@Ejleon I was just stating the standards for it. I kinda agree with the current rating system since it's not R rated unless the show is very explicit in how graphic it gets towards the themes that GodTheGuy mentioned, or just nudity. Case in point, the first ep of Goblin Slayer. So if it's subtle on the themes of the show it'll get a pass. Plus who am I to be the designator of where the line gets drawn for risque themes in anime. I'm just a jackass on an anime discussion thread. Even if I don't agree with the age ratings for all shows.
| @Liental Do me a favor, don’t talk about yourself like that any more. We are both two individuals on a planet with billions of people, but there is only of “you” in the entire universe, so that is a very special thing, making your existence unique to the human race and Life itself. Our opinions, agree or disagree, are also worth hearing, no matter who it is from, since we all have different perspectives, that is one of the better things of having a forum of discussion, even if it is not always civil respectful calm. Plus, the same perspective would also apply to the person/people that are making up the “standard(s)” for these ratings, in other words, “Who are they to be setting the standard?”. I understand you were just stating the standard, thanks for explaining that and giving examples, that helps. And I think I’d agree with you and the topic of what is appropriate or not, just as a note. |
ejleonDec 23, 11:08 PM
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Liental said: @Ejleon Sorry about the walls of text. But I fully intend to respond to you earnestly. The reason I called myself a jackass is just that I don't have much more credibility than "I just watch a lot of anime and I'm into Japanese culture." It's not like I'm depressed or anything at least not anymore. But I appreciate the encouraging words. My take on the age rating system is not gonna out rule the current system in place for years that was probably established way before I was watching anime and people that have been in the industry of anime/manga industry before I was born. I also think it does great job for what it is, guidelines. https://rating-system.fandom.com/wiki/Age_rating_system_for_North_American_manga_releases I have my personal story of when I was at elementary school age at the time was when I went to my cousins home to hang out. Where my brother and two cousins were playing Gears of War. I don't know if you know the game or not but the in game enemies scared me and I started crying. I didn't understand at the time. But fast forward to highschool I'm an avid fan and it's one of my favorite video game franchises. I played all the games from middle to high school. So circling back to how this is related. Adolescents and teens are gonna find ways to explore or be exposed to what they like even if they aren't supposed/meant to be. As I did as a kid and many others watching anime they probably weren't supposed to. The same way as why teens find their way to M rated games since it holds a variety of genres that you just can't get from just E or T rated games. So the same applies to anime stories whether it be shounen, seinen, shoujo, josei demographics. I can only say that we can probably cater what animes to watch for your family members that are young since I assume we both have extensive knowledge of anime and what that culture entails. As you would do for people asking for recommendations. That’s because we have greedy and evil adults who try to influence newer generations to spend money on whatever they want. It is not the childrens’ fault they were lead by wrong influence — and bad parenting — from greedy companies to get to things they shouldn’t have. We all as children got into what we shouldn’t have, but as we grew older, we understood the big picture, so we know better now. So as grown mature adults we learn that we are not slaves of society / business / government (etc), we are free to grow outside of the so called “norm” or “standard”, and also able to raise children to be free of their influence. Just because the entertainment industry is bad, does not mean we need to follow. I watch anime as an adult, but I can decide what is “good” or “bad”, because I have free will and choice. EDIT: I watched High School DxD, it was way over the top and had boobs galore, but the main message and character interaction influenced me, it had a good message for males, even if females don’t act like that, so to this day, I still fight with all my being for the women I care about in my life. |
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| What in God's name is a childish rant going about here, or is just wokeism coming to convince that one is right and everyone else is wrong? |
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