Alya Sometimes Hides Her Feelings in Russian
| I just want to get your thoughts on this anime, (especially the parts where Alya speaks Russian). I’ve been curious about this ever since I started watching this about what the Russian people think about this. (and of course, if you’re Russian but don’t live in Russia, I also mean you too, but you get what I mean) I already saw a thread about whether or not Alya’s Russian was actually good or not, but I wanted to expand on that, and just get some thoughts and perspectives about the Russian parts as a whole, (like, did you get a kick out of some of the things that Alya was saying in Russian?) as well as the series in general. And that also includes the other characters who speak Russian as well. |
| I thought the russian speaking part would be more of a focus instead of that lukewarm election plot and the weird fanservice. It barely has any references to the culture and half the time it's not even a thing. Golden Kamuy has done a much better job at (I still remember when they showed wooden cutlery with the exact pattern that we own irl). It's fine if you like the show for the art, but the premise really didn't reach my expectations. |
DragyG said: I'm Belgian I speak French and the bare Russian I know is привет помогите не падайте духом милашка меня зовут спасибо Я боюсь медуз And that's all thanks to Roshidere either by teaching me that vocabulary years ago or me remembering some words I learned in Russian when I tried to learn it after V3 before getting brutally called back to reality by my lack of free time. By showing Russian speakers in some other way that the villains in an Holywood movie Roshidere could build a bridge making me interested in Russia and Russian culture (so much that I got deeply interested in USSR and pre-USSR revolution's history to the point I aced my exam about these in history classes in high school) So I might not be the one you were asking an opinion from but in the end I think all those critics about Sumipe's accent (which is actually intentionally made to sound Japanese) are both pointless and shallow. Roshidere built an image of half Russian characters doing great things instead of trying to kill thousands of people with a secret weapon like in most US movies. And this is in a top rank anime. In an age in which global peace is heavely threaten by major conflicts (among which Russia is involved) around the globe and groups of people trying to spread some kind of propagand to make people we don't know, never met and will probably never know or never meet look like living monsters, this is a huge feat that already deserves respect. I definitely see what you mean about the Hollywood films that depict Russians as the villains of some sort. And that’s one thing that I got from Roshidere, is the fact that he didn’t go down that route, and instead portrayed a few Russians, at least, as normal people, if not admired people. And it made me myself more interested in Russian culture, at least a little bit, despite what’s going on with the conflicts that Russia is involved in as you mentioned. And not only that, but the fact that an admired person of Russian descent, though she is half Japanese too, also had to deal with her own trials and tribulations just like the rest of us, was also some thing that I really liked too. And yes, for someone who is half Russian, I agree that the accent was a little bit too strong. Though I don’t know any Russian, so I can’t really comment too much about that part of it. All I can say is that the Japanese in general have really poor pronunciation of foreign words of any language, not just Russian. And the reason why the Japanese probably didn’t even bother to find a native Russian speaker for Alya, was that flashback scene in Vladivostok, when all of the kids and adults obviously spoke Russian. Probably too many Russians to find for a country that doesn’t have a whole lot of foreigners to begin with. |
| Honestly, I like the show and characters. I find her accent really cute though I do not always understand what she says. I'm glad to see some details about our culture (proverbs, etc) but when they showed the city and the school it was kinda funny. It is such a Japanese way of studying and working. I can't imagine something like that in Russia. But I don't think this should be deep into our culture 'cause it is school romance first of all. If this show makes people enjoy characters, humor, romance and fanservice that means it's a good show. |
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Honestly, I like the show and characters. I find her accent really cute though I do not always understand what she says.
I'm glad to see some details about our culture (proverbs, etc) but when they showed the city and the school it was kinda funny. It is such a Japanese way of studying and working. I can't imagine something like that in Russia. But I don't think this should be deep into our culture 'cause it is school romance first of all. If this show makes people enjoy characters, humor, romance and fanservice that means it's a good show.
I'm glad to see some details about our culture (proverbs, etc) but when they showed the city and the school it was kinda funny. It is such a Japanese way of studying and working. I can't imagine something like that in Russia. But I don't think this should be deep into our culture 'cause it is school romance first of all. If this show makes people enjoy characters, humor, romance and fanservice that means it's a good show.
| @AoiHana_15 So I read the Vladivostok scene in the LN, and came across this part: The topic for Alisa’s group was local jobs. They had interviewed local shops and family businesses and learned about their lines of work. It was the sort of innocent, simple project typically done in elementary schools. So what you're saying is that Russian school kids don't have these types of assignments? Or is it that Alisa's work ethic as a school kid is too Japanese? Because with the latter, they're clearly trying to say that Alisa is very unusually hardworking. I mean, why do you think she got the #1 spot on a very difficult transfer exam? But if it's the former, what sort of assignments would they have the kids work on instead? I am curious now. |
| @AoiHana_15 Either way, i'm glad that you were able to see past that stuff and recognize the show for what it's supposed to be, rather than being sour and nitpicking every little detail like so many people do nowadays. Seriously, thank you. |
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Russian here. If we talk about authenticity, it's not researched at all.
Like, yes, we have patronyms. But that's something that only gets used by adult people in formal settings. You would address your coworkers by name+patronym or you would be addressed that way by a governmental clerk. But using that stuff outside of that? Highly quirky. Your average russian won't even know the patronyms of most of his casual buddies. I could see mb Masha using that, but definitely not Alya.
Her blushing about calling Kuze-kun by his name? Impossible. She spent most of her life in Russia (11 out of 16 years, or so) so it would actually be insane for her to address her classmates by surname. Or she constantly introduces herself as "Kujo Alisa" without slipping even once whereas the "proper" order for a russian person would be Name > Surname.
The tea & jam scene - iffy. They have russian father (it's also mega-weird that they don't have russian surname then, kids not getting their father's family is almost unheard of; mb if their family wanted to migrate that hard) and it's usually the mother that is in charge of making homemade "варенье" (varen'ye). Not to mention that this is more of a soviet & 90's things and most modern families don't really bother.
The borscht - ridiculous. Imagine if a member of one other certain race came bearing the gifts of fried chicken & watermelon. First, is proper beet even easily available in Japan? Second, that's definitely not a sick food and she'd just made a light chicken soup.
Kuze gramps watching russian movies - it's nitpicking but those would be soviet movies. Post-soviet movies are either utter trash or something (like Brother or DMB) you wouldn't be watching with young grandson. Calling Alisa from Vladik easter european is also seriously stretching it.
School assignment scene was also weird and out of place.
Like, yes, we have patronyms. But that's something that only gets used by adult people in formal settings. You would address your coworkers by name+patronym or you would be addressed that way by a governmental clerk. But using that stuff outside of that? Highly quirky. Your average russian won't even know the patronyms of most of his casual buddies. I could see mb Masha using that, but definitely not Alya.
Her blushing about calling Kuze-kun by his name? Impossible. She spent most of her life in Russia (11 out of 16 years, or so) so it would actually be insane for her to address her classmates by surname. Or she constantly introduces herself as "Kujo Alisa" without slipping even once whereas the "proper" order for a russian person would be Name > Surname.
The tea & jam scene - iffy. They have russian father (it's also mega-weird that they don't have russian surname then, kids not getting their father's family is almost unheard of; mb if their family wanted to migrate that hard) and it's usually the mother that is in charge of making homemade "варенье" (varen'ye). Not to mention that this is more of a soviet & 90's things and most modern families don't really bother.
The borscht - ridiculous. Imagine if a member of one other certain race came bearing the gifts of fried chicken & watermelon. First, is proper beet even easily available in Japan? Second, that's definitely not a sick food and she'd just made a light chicken soup.
Kuze gramps watching russian movies - it's nitpicking but those would be soviet movies. Post-soviet movies are either utter trash or something (like Brother or DMB) you wouldn't be watching with young grandson. Calling Alisa from Vladik easter european is also seriously stretching it.
School assignment scene was also weird and out of place.
| @NerdCommando How about Alya's Russian during her speech in the finale? |
| “𝖨𝖿 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝗐𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝖾𝖽𝗂𝖼𝗍𝖺𝖻𝗅𝖾, 𝗂𝗍 𝗐𝗈𝗎𝗅𝖽 𝖼𝖾𝖺𝗌𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖾 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖻𝖾 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝖿𝗅𝖺𝗏𝗈𝗋.” – 𝖤𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗇𝗈𝗋 𝖱𝗈𝗈𝗌𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗅𝗍 |
Cosplay_Joe said: @AoiHana_15 So I read the Vladivostok scene in the LN, and came across this part: The topic for Alisa’s group was local jobs. They had interviewed local shops and family businesses and learned about their lines of work. It was the sort of innocent, simple project typically done in elementary schools. So what you're saying is that Russian school kids don't have these types of assignments? Or is it that Alisa's work ethic as a school kid is too Japanese? Because with the latter, they're clearly trying to say that Alisa is very unusually hardworking. I mean, why do you think she got the #1 spot on a very difficult transfer exam? But if it's the former, what sort of assignments would they have the kids work on instead? I am curious now. Alya is a really hardworking girl and I remember how hard it was for children like her because of their responsibility to study.I'm not arguing with that. I'm talking about the type of task. In our country, we usually just write an essay about our parents' job or a dream job. Firstly, it is very difficult to realize this in cities. It's easier to lie in class than to distract someone from work. And secondly, as far as I know, in Japan, children from elementary school often go to school themselves, even if it is not close. In Russia, it's still far from leaving children alone at that age. This task will eventually fall on the shoulders of the parents, so it makes no sense. The situation would have changed if it had been about some village, and not Vladivostok. |
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Cosplay_Joe said:
@AoiHana_15 So I read the Vladivostok scene in the LN, and came across this part:
So what you're saying is that Russian school kids don't have these types of assignments? Or is it that Alisa's work ethic as a school kid is too Japanese? Because with the latter, they're clearly trying to say that Alisa is very unusually hardworking. I mean, why do you think she got the #1 spot on a very difficult transfer exam?
But if it's the former, what sort of assignments would they have the kids work on instead? I am curious now.
@AoiHana_15 So I read the Vladivostok scene in the LN, and came across this part:
The topic for Alisa’s group was local jobs. They had interviewed local shops and family businesses and learned about their lines of work. It was the sort of innocent, simple project typically done in elementary schools.
So what you're saying is that Russian school kids don't have these types of assignments? Or is it that Alisa's work ethic as a school kid is too Japanese? Because with the latter, they're clearly trying to say that Alisa is very unusually hardworking. I mean, why do you think she got the #1 spot on a very difficult transfer exam?
But if it's the former, what sort of assignments would they have the kids work on instead? I am curious now.
Alya is a really hardworking girl and I remember how hard it was for children like her because of their responsibility to study.I'm not arguing with that. I'm talking about the type of task. In our country, we usually just write an essay about our parents' job or a dream job. Firstly, it is very difficult to realize this in cities. It's easier to lie in class than to distract someone from work. And secondly, as far as I know, in Japan, children from elementary school often go to school themselves, even if it is not close. In Russia, it's still far from leaving children alone at that age. This task will eventually fall on the shoulders of the parents, so it makes no sense. The situation would have changed if it had been about some village, and not Vladivostok.
| @AoiHana_15 Ok, so it was the task itself, just as I thought. And you and @NerdCommando clearly showed that there was a lot of stuff they got wrong with the Russian/backstory parts. That's a shame considering that was the main draw for me for this series. |
| russian girls are cute, wish they were real |
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