Why is Joseph and Josuke not on the character list? (Update: Answer found, so thread will be plan to be deletd)

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Just because they appear they arent even side characters and dont contribute to the story, by your Logic we should add all the characters appears even civilians

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Well only characters that are known in the franchise like Joseph and Josuke. Civilians are characters if they are known like friends and families that are introduced in the anime, and if they have voice actors because voice actors would take credit as well.

Also, they were in the anime, even though they were not part of the story, we'll actually, they appeared in the story, just not physically, but the anime still show themselves in the story. They are still anime characters themselves.

They are characters and they are in the anime as we see them.

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their voice actors didn't appear in the season

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So did what happened with Pokémon when the rivals appeared during the masters 8 battle.

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They're only mentioned, they are not part of this story and don't appear in it. It's like saying that DIO should be in the character list just because he showed up in a picture

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They're only mentioned, they are not part of this story and don't appear in it. It's like saying that DIO should be in the character list just because he showed up in a picture

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True, but just because they are not in the story does not mean they are not in the anime itself. This site is about listing anime in any format, not just about stories, we even see commercials and openings here as well. There are also other stories outside of the main story as well like characters from the flashback who did not appear in this story, but they are in the list as well. As long as the characters appear in the anime itself, then they are in the anime, whether they are in the story or outside as long as we see them in the anime. Animes are more than just stories, they reveal many ideas outside like timelines, references, fantasies, and more. Dio did not appear in part 6 story, but he was in the flashback, and he was in the character list. A character who appears is in those ideas are on screen in the anime, so they would be in the anime, so that is why I believe Joseph and Josuke should be on the character list as well.

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True, but just because they are not in the story does not mean they are not in the anime itself. This site is about listing anime in any format, not just about stories, we even see commercials and openings here as well. There are also other stories outside of the main story as well like characters from the flashback who did not appear in this story, but they are in the list as well. As long as the characters appear in the anime itself, then they are in the anime, whether they are in the story or outside as long as we see them in the anime. Animes are more than just stories, they reveal many ideas outside like timelines, references, fantasies, and more. Dio did not appear in part 6 story, but he was in the flashback, and he was in the character list. A character who appears is in those ideas are on screen in the anime, so they would be in the anime, so that is why I believe Joseph and Josuke should be on the character list as well.

On the other hand Dio had a bunch of lines and heavily influenced Pucci's actions. I also think that these lists of characters from the anime adaptation (unlike the manga ones) are more focused on the voice actors. In my eyes they are more like the ending credits, because the staff is also there.

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@Kampos
True, but just because they are not in the story does not mean they are not in the anime itself. This site is about listing anime in any format, not just about stories, we even see commercials and openings here as well. There are also other stories outside of the main story as well like characters from the flashback who did not appear in this story, but they are in the list as well. As long as the characters appear in the anime itself, then they are in the anime, whether they are in the story or outside as long as we see them in the anime. Animes are more than just stories, they reveal many ideas outside like timelines, references, fantasies, and more. Dio did not appear in part 6 story, but he was in the flashback, and he was in the character list. A character who appears is in those ideas are on screen in the anime, so they would be in the anime, so that is why I believe Joseph and Josuke should be on the character list as well.

Yeah, and Joseph and Josuke didn't even appear in flashbacks, they simply didn't appear in this part.

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True, but just because they are not in the story does not mean they are not in the anime itself. This site is about listing anime in any format, not just about stories, we even see commercials and openings here as well. There are also other stories outside of the main story as well like characters from the flashback who did not appear in this story, but they are in the list as well. As long as the characters appear in the anime itself, then they are in the anime, whether they are in the story or outside as long as we see them in the anime. Animes are more than just stories, they reveal many ideas outside like timelines, references, fantasies, and more. Dio did not appear in part 6 story, but he was in the flashback, and he was in the character list. A character who appears is in those ideas are on screen in the anime, so they would be in the anime, so that is why I believe Joseph and Josuke should be on the character list as well.

Yeah, and Joseph and Josuke didn't even appear in flashbacks, they simply didn't appear in this part.

@Kampos
I can't see the image, can you describe the episode and scene please?

Neither did Giorno in some flashbacks, and those flashbacks are other characters own story in which he did not appear in. And yet, Giorno is still character in main story out of flashback stories.

The only times they appear was in episode 4, which in anime itself they were part of, not maim story, but anime, yes. Well, Joseph appeared in a photo in which Jotaro holds in an episode, meaning the photo of him and the gang was in an episode, which further means he is in an episode since the photo of him appearing was in the episode.

But still, whatever scene has a character in it becomes part of that anime since that character is in it.

Jul 19, 12:11 PM

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I can't see the image, can you describe the episode and scene please?

Neither did Giorno in some flashbacks, and those flashbacks are other characters own story in which he did not appear in. And yet, Giorno is still character in main story out of flashback stories.

The only times they appear was in episode 4, which in anime itself they were part of, not maim story, but anime, yes. Well, Joseph appeared in a photo in which Jotaro holds in an episode, meaning the photo of him and the gang was in an episode, which further means he is in an episode since the photo of him appearing was in the episode.

But still, whatever scene has a character in it becomes part of that anime since that character is in it.

what the hell are you talking about?

being pictured in a scene =/= being relevant to the plot

if you're watching a movie and there's a pic of nicolas cage in one scene would you say that he should be listed as one of the characters of the movie?

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Because they aren’t being part from “Golden Wind”. The action is centred on Giorno Giovanna, though they appeared in a scene in episode 4 or so.

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I can't see the image, can you describe the episode and scene please?

Neither did Giorno in some flashbacks, and those flashbacks are other characters own story in which he did not appear in. And yet, Giorno is still character in main story out of flashback stories.

The only times they appear was in episode 4, which in anime itself they were part of, not maim story, but anime, yes. Well, Joseph appeared in a photo in which Jotaro holds in an episode, meaning the photo of him and the gang was in an episode, which further means he is in an episode since the photo of him appearing was in the episode.

But still, whatever scene has a character in it becomes part of that anime since that character is in it.

what the hell are you talking about?

being pictured in a scene =/= being relevant to the plot

if you're watching a movie and there's a pic of nicolas cage in one scene would you say that he should be listed as one of the characters of the movie?

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Are you suggesting that only characters part of the story are the reason why they are only listed?

Jul 19, 12:22 PM

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Because they aren’t being part from “Golden Wind”. The action is centred on Giorno Giovanna, though they appeared in a scene in episode 4 or so.

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They do not have a part in Golden Wind, but they are in one scene in episode 4, which in terms they are in the anime.

But do characters who are part of their plot instead of their appearance the reason why they are not listed?

Jul 19, 12:26 PM

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They do not have a part in Golden Wind, but they are in one scene in episode 4, which in terms they are in the anime.

But do characters who are part of their plot instead of their appearance the reason why they are not listed?

The producers did not consider including Josuke and Joseph in “Golden Wind” just because they appeared in one scene. The story is not about them, so I think it’s ok. Bucciarati’s gang, Diavolo, Polnareff are contributing to the story and events. There was an entire part about Josuke and his friend in Part 4 and Joseph was the MC in Part 2.

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They do not have a part in Golden Wind, but they are in one scene in episode 4, which in terms they are in the anime.

But do characters who are part of their plot instead of their appearance the reason why they are not listed?

The producers did not consider including Josuke and Joseph in “Golden Wind” just because they appeared in one scene. The story is not about them, so I think it’s ok. Bucciarati’s gang, Diavolo, Polnareff are contributing to the story and events. There was an entire part about Josuke and his friend in Part 4 and Joseph was the MC in Part 2.

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But they were in the anime only one time since they were in one scene. If they were not in the anime, they would not be in any scene. I mean anime is consisted of scenes and they were in one of them.The story did not had them, that is true, but we did see them in the anime because they were put in one scene.

My question was that they were not in the list because their story participation and role is more important than their appearance.

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But they were in the anime only one time since they were in one scene. If they were not in the anime, they would not be in any scene. I mean anime is consisted of scenes and they were in one of them.The story did not had them, that is true, but we did see them in the anime because they were put in one scene.

My question was that they were not in the list because their story participation and role is more important than their appearance.

Yes, you’re right. The characters who did not play an important role in a scene or more, they are not listed.

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It's kinda hard to understand what you're saying, your translator probably isn't good

But yeah, being PICTURED isn't the same of being in the story. The scene where Joseph and Josuke are pictured is just Koichi mentioning them, they didn't appear in the story, that's why they aren't listed as characters of this anime.

If they were listed as characters, people would see their names and create expectations that they would eventually appear and be disappointed when discovering that they never do.

They don't actually need to show up, they just need to interact directly with the story. For example, if either Joseph or Josuke were talking to Koichi on the phone and we could at least hear them, they would be considered very minor characters, but they don't interact in any way, they're not even minor characters, they're not part of this anime at all.

Do you understand now?

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But they were in the anime only one time since they were in one scene. If they were not in the anime, they would not be in any scene. I mean anime is consisted of scenes and they were in one of them.The story did not had them, that is true, but we did see them in the anime because they were put in one scene.

My question was that they were not in the list because their story participation and role is more important than their appearance.

Yes, you’re right. The characters who did not play an important role in a scene or more, they are not listed.

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I understand now, we'll at least they were in the anime itself instead of the story since they showed up in one scene.

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I understand now, we'll at least they were in the anime itself instead of the story since they showed up in one scene.

Yes, since they were not part of “Golden Wind” story, producers chose to not list them as well in this part.

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lmao he didn't understand at all... they do not show up in the anime but I give up, it's probably a little kid anyway so I'll let it slide

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True, but just because they are not in the story does not mean they are not in the anime itself. This site is about listing anime in any format, not just about stories, we even see commercials and openings here as well. There are also other stories outside of the main story as well like characters from the flashback who did not appear in this story, but they are in the list as well. As long as the characters appear in the anime itself, then they are in the anime, whether they are in the story or outside as long as we see them in the anime. Animes are more than just stories, they reveal many ideas outside like timelines, references, fantasies, and more. Dio did not appear in part 6 story, but he was in the flashback, and he was in the character list. A character who appears is in those ideas are on screen in the anime, so they would be in the anime, so that is why I believe Joseph and Josuke should be on the character list as well.

theyre not listed because that section literally is more to credit the voice actors than to list characters.

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lmao he didn't understand at all... they do not show up in the anime but I give up, it's probably a little kid anyway so I'll let it slide

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No I'm sorry if I misinterpreted.

They were only in the anime through appearance, not as part of the cast. The idea of appearance is when they show up on something on anytime. Any character who only make a brief appearance would be considered cameo characters in any format whether in person, in a picture, television in anime, or anything else. Josuke and Joseph showed up in one scene "in" the scene, even though they were not in the cast so they would be cameo even without any speaking role. That is why they were in the anime, but not as cast characters.

Anime is about artworks through animation programs. Storyboard is one of the ideas in anime because that is the plot of the anime in which characters has their roles. When a character is not in the storyboard, they are not in the story, but if we see them on screen, then they are in the anime because they were designed in the program which is another idea outside of the story. That is why they are in the anime, not story because they were not in the storyboard.

They are characters in which we obviously see even though they were not in Giorno's story or in Koichi's, but we still see them obviously, and everyone knows that is them and they do not need names to know that when they already mentioned or appeared. They do not need to show up in Italy. Of they show up on screen, then they would appear in the anime itself, not story because they are not in the setting, just in pictured which is in the anime.

But I understand, even though they were in the anime one time through one time appearance, they are not in the character section because they are not in the cast since they did not had voice actors. It is the characters in that anime through that one time scene, but their voice actors were not present.

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ani2016 said:
In episode 4, Josuke and Joseph appeared for one screen time in Golden Wind art style as cameo characters when Koichi mentions the Joestar clan.

Technically, they are in the anime because they have a screen time, even though they only appeared one time, but they are not in the character list here in MAL. Are they missing here from MAL or something?

Bro is solving some real life threating problems here

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ani2016 said:
In episode 4, Josuke and Joseph appeared for one screen time in Golden Wind art style as cameo characters when Koichi mentions the Joestar clan.

Technically, they are in the anime because they have a screen time, even though they only appeared one time, but they are not in the character list here in MAL. Are they missing here from MAL or something?

Bro is solving some real life threating problems here

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What does that mean?

I just ask if they should be filled in since they are characters and they were only in the anime from their one time appearance.

But I now know they were not in the cast cause not only did their voice actor was not in, but the characters did not had a role. Sure they were in the anime because of the appearance, but not in the story which is why they were not on the list.

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I understand now, we'll at least they were in the anime itself instead of the story since they showed up in one scene.

Yes, since they were not part of “Golden Wind” story, producers chose to not list them as well in this part.

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By "part", do you mean part 5 story or part of the episode because we see them in part of the episode in which they are aside from the story.

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There is one thing. In some anime sections like pokemon, there are characters who had registered here in some anime in the site even when they were in the anime through one screen time appearance without any voice lines like pokemon masters and pokemon best wishes decalora islands (final episode when they showed ash's former companions in one time screen appearance). Is there something I am missing with this instead of this Jojo part 5 section?

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Holy shit why does it even matter dude get a life

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Holy shit why does it even matter dude get a life

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I am sorry, I just want to know why they are not in the section when they appeared.

I am not entirely into anime a lot, and I would not like to be that way. Life is a whole lot more than anime which is why I do not watch all the time to be honest. I do take a lot of time out of watching anime of course and anything related because I have a life outside for beneficial purposes.

It is just that the site is helpful info on one of my hobbies in sometimes but does have somethings for sections over the others like having characters without n/a.

By the way, I was busy outside of posting these responses and anime like doing college classes for my degree, helping with my friends and family, hanging out with them, and more. Anime is just one of my hobbies for some time when I watch TV time.

After I clear up this whole thing, I will stop and delete this topic.

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@Cheggeronis
I am sorry, I just want to know why they are not in the section when they appeared.

I am not entirely into anime a lot, and I would not like to be that way. Life is a whole lot more than anime which is why I do not watch all the time to be honest. I do take a lot of time out of watching anime of course and anything related because I have a life outside for beneficial purposes.

It is just that the site is helpful info on one of my hobbies in sometimes but does have somethings for sections over the others like having characters without n/a.

By the way, I was busy outside of posting these responses and anime like doing college classes for my degree, helping with my friends and family, hanging out with them, and more. Anime is just one of my hobbies for some time when I watch TV time.

After I clear up this whole thing, I will stop and delete this topic.

@ani2016 No, I am sorry :(

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@ani2016 No, I am sorry :(

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It is okay, I misled my posts.

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@Cheggeronis
It is okay, I misled my posts.

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Do you know anything about the topic though, based on my update?

As soon as I get my answer then I will ask the administrator to delete this topic.

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By "part", do you mean part 5 story or part of the episode because we see them in part of the episode in which they are aside from the story.

I mean Part 5 - Golden Wind =)

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ani2016 said:
In episode 4, Josuke and Joseph appeared for one screen time in Golden Wind art style as cameo characters when Koichi mentions the Joestar clan.

Technically, they are in the anime because they have a screen time, even though they only appeared one time, but they are not in the character list here in MAL. Are they missing here from MAL or something?

Update: I just found something in Pokemon Masters. They had characters there from one screen appearance, and what I found there was that there voice actor was "n/a" meaning they ahd no voice actor but the character was registered here in this site. The same happened with pokemon best wishes decalora islands with ash's former companions appearing in final episode, even when most of them are not in the anime story for ash. So, why not do the same with Josuke and Joseph in this anime with the voice actor as "n/a" as well?

do you actually care or are you just being a dork?

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