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Jul 18, 4:57 PM
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[spoiler] The reincarnation subplot is pointless. These could have just been normal kids that grew up the way they did and the son wants to find the mother's killer. He could've just been a smart and talented kid that began to hate acting due to his mother's murder then delved back in to get clues. The only real change would've been the way they acted as babies
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That is blatantly wrong, Ruby and Aqua being reincarnation of Sarina and Gorou, is very important to the plot. Aka constantly reminded us of it, and if this season will adapt the Private arc, then it will be shown once again.

If you wish I can explain in more detail about that importance, using only parts adapted by the anime. Or I can outright spoil you and give definite proof.
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The reincarnation aspect is quite influential in the story, it's quite noticeable in the first season, without it it wouldn't be the same. (Mini spoiler alert, maybe not.) If you don't see it yet, wait until the end of this season for something more blunt and obvious.
Jul 18, 5:24 PM
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Most of the time, reincarnation in the show is pointless. It's only there, so they cut out why they are so smart or any motive they have in that life. In my view, it's mostly a shortcut in storytelling.
Jul 18, 5:50 PM
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Cielord said:
That is blatantly wrong, Ruby and Aqua being reincarnation of Sarina and Gorou, is very important to the plot. Aka constantly reminded us of it, and if this season will adapt the Private arc, then it will be shown once again.

If you wish i can explain in more detail about that importance, using only parts adapted by the anime. Or i can outright spoil you and give definite proof.

For anime onlies it does feel pointless so far imo.
Jul 18, 6:21 PM
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Cielord said:
That is blatantly wrong, Ruby and Aqua being reincarnation of Sarina and Gorou, is very important to the plot. Aka constantly reminded us of it, and if this season will adapt the Private arc, then it will be shown once again.

If you wish i can explain in more detail about that importance, using only parts adapted by the anime. Or i can outright spoil you and give definite proof.

For anime onlies it does feel pointless so far imo.
@DrFlamingLeaf

I understand it, but even in the anime they showed it is important.

-Gorou part in being Ai doctor. That part showed us from the beginning a developing conspiracy related to Ai and her children.

-The twins behavior as a kids. During the first arc/episode large parts of it were viewed by the twins eyes, their thought process and behevior will be unnatural and unrealistic if they weren't reincarnations. E.g. their idolization Ai. That was caused by them being fans of her in past life. If they weren't reincarnations, they wouldn't have felt this way about Ai, they probably won't feel strongly about her at all. As they will have childhood amnesia. all the time they spent with her as her kids was just their first 4 years after all.

-Aqua 'talent' as a kid. Aqua talent has been explained to not have been caused by actual talent, but by his memories of his past life. Which led to him being perceived as precocious. Same with his intelligence Aqua is indeed intelligent, (not someone on Light/Lelouch level though.) but that intelligence is also connected to his past life.
Jul 18, 6:23 PM
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I will agree that a lot of anime could cut the reincarnation out and still be the same exact story, but I disagree that oshi no ko is one of them. Especially for some events that happen later in the story.
Jul 19, 3:08 AM
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I have read the Manga, and I will say just wait and see but let's talk about what Anime covered

Without reincarnation, Aqua's revenge not gonna happen, cuz he didn't know the stalker before so he wouldn't connect the dots and Ruby would a boring annoying 1 Dimensional character

The director wouldn't have taken a liking to Aqua, since he would be another dumb kid (sure he might be smart compared to other kid but what the heck can you even expect from a 3 years old),

and likely Ai's truth will out (they are 3 you can't expect them keep their mouth shut). probably Ai wouldn't have called their father because she didn't overheard Ruby's crazy theory about Ai not needing a man to give birth to them



and as you can see this creates way too many plot holes
Jul 19, 8:03 AM
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exactly, i never understood why it couldnt have been that they were judt smart kids?
people are sayig that the plot was important for the parts we've seen and in the future but it really was not relevant at all in s1 and if its only going to be relevant for one arc then scrap it completely and give up the one arc. no point in it if its only gonna be applied once

(also the childhood amnesia point can be dismissed by the fact that extremely traumatic events can still be remembered despite being very very young under 4yrs old. your mother dying while she holds you is probably very traumatic. and if the amnesia was a problem then they could have written it so that the kids were a bit older when she died)
Jul 19, 8:06 AM
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Sammyg921 said:
[spoiler] The reincarnation subplot is pointless. These could have just been normal kids that grew up the way they did and the son wants to find the mother's killer. He could've just been a smart and talented kid that began to hate acting due to his mother's murder then delved back in to get clues. The only real change would've been the way they acted as babies

Maybe for Ruby. For Aqua definitely not. No normal child would have the intellect of a an adult and even more a doctor. Aqua used his intellect to step really fast in the industry and approaches people that could have been in contact with Ai.

There wouldn't be the story as it is now if Aqua wasn't either gifted or an adult in a teenager body.
For Ruby she could have been fond of idols because of the stories about her mom without having to be reincarnated it wouldn't have changed her path.
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exactly, i never understood why it couldnt have been that they were judt smart kids?
people are sayig that the plot was important for the parts we've seen and in the future but it really was not relevant at all in s1 and if its only going to be relevant for one arc then scrap it completely and give up the one arc. no point in it if its only gonna be applied once

(also the childhood amnesia point can be dismissed by the fact that extremely traumatic events can still be remembered despite being very very young under 4yrs old. your mother dying while she holds you is probably very traumatic. and if the amnesia was a problem then they could have written it so that the kids were a bit older when she died)
@Candy8448

"Can" not always. Even if that happened that doesn't dismiss my other points.

Also the conversation is about "if Aqua and Ruby weren't reincarnations what would've changed?" So any try to to say "if they changed X to Y it could have worked." Automatically prove that it's needed.

And finally manga.
Jul 19, 11:46 AM
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in the end of this season you guys will understand a little better when they adapt the chapters 77-79 and a next season even more chapter 120-122 for whos curious
Jul 19, 2:17 PM
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I'm an Anime-Only viewer and there certainly is a part of Oshi no Ko that feels pointless, but it's not the reincarnation bit; I initially started watching what I thought could be a compelling murder/mystery show, but instead has devolved into a commentary about the daily operations and the tribulations of the Entertainment Industry. If I wanted to learn about stage acting, I'd go read Wikipedia. Two episodes dedicated to a supporting character's demands for rewrites and an inability to communicate well? Bo-ring. I only keep watching because people say it's going to get exciting. But I'm thisclose to dropping this show because I just don't know what it's about anymore or what it is aiming at.
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Without the reincarnation Aqua presumably wouldn't know there was someone else behind the murder.
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Reincarnation part is just lame bait to hook the audience. This is just generic idol/school anime with some plot in the background.
Another visual hook are stupid star eyes. And finally, title starting with "" [] means it's listed at top of any alphabetical order lists.
It's just anime/manga designed with very clever tricks to get popularity. (The only thing missing is isekai and OP power level of MC)
Jul 19, 7:28 PM

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The reincarnation element definitely has a purpose here, it's just a really boring and tedious element by this point to actually care for given the pace of the series and its focus on other elements and commentary too and it's not like Aqua himself is a character that I care for or find interesting in terms of him trying to get his revenge either.
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That's always the case with reincarnation stories the reincarnation feels unnecessary at some point. It only has one aspect at the beginning and makes the start of the series more attractive.
Jul 20, 3:43 PM
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i guess being anime only might make you think the reincarnation is pointless, and without spoiling a thing, i can tell you it gets important down the line
Jul 20, 8:21 PM
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I'm an Anime-Only viewer and there certainly is a part of Oshi no Ko that feels pointless, but it's not the reincarnation bit; I initially started watching what I thought could be a compelling murder/mystery show, but instead has devolved into a commentary about the daily operations and the tribulations of the Entertainment Industry. If I wanted to learn about stage acting, I'd go read Wikipedia. Two episodes dedicated to a supporting character's demands for rewrites and an inability to communicate well? Bo-ring. I only keep watching because people say it's going to get exciting. But I'm thisclose to dropping this show because I just don't know what it's about anymore or what it is aiming at.
@Otosan_Pops well I've same opinion as you people like us is more interested in mystery than some possible love triangle and drama but this author's speciality is to write romantic stories over mystery theme + this is their 1st work to write something like this but I feel they don't know how to direct it in fb and manga community i always seen manga fans are more interested in waifu wars only few care about the plot seems like the story is indeed turned more into romantic direction while giving those girls more relevant plot to stay connected with Aqua.
Jul 20, 8:32 PM
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Reincarnation part is just lame bait to hook the audience. This is just generic idol/school anime with some plot in the background.
Another visual hook are stupid star eyes. And finally, title starting with "" [] means it's listed at top of any alphabetical order lists.
It's just anime/manga designed with very clever tricks to get popularity. (The only thing missing is isekai and OP power level of MC)
@madoy well author is very popular for his previous work just his name is enough to get enough attention + oshi no ko is my first work from him and the manga cover was indeed interesting (later animation) so I went to watch it I love the beginning, ai's death was quite shocking factor but soon start losing my interest since the story's flow was not what I am expecting too much drama with those side chicks. Onk have the potential to be a good story but with this ongoing waifu wars in fb and everywhere it already feels like plot has no meaning for the Fandom this story without good animation or 1st epic episode I don't think would've been this popular.
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I'm an Anime-Only viewer and there certainly is a part of Oshi no Ko that feels pointless, but it's not the reincarnation bit; I initially started watching what I thought could be a compelling murder/mystery show, but instead has devolved into a commentary about the daily operations and the tribulations of the Entertainment Industry. If I wanted to learn about stage acting, I'd go read Wikipedia. Two episodes dedicated to a supporting character's demands for rewrites and an inability to communicate well? Bo-ring. I only keep watching because people say it's going to get exciting. But I'm thisclose to dropping this show because I just don't know what it's about anymore or what it is aiming at.
@Otosan_Pops Kinda same. They could have just compressed the current 4 episodes to 1 without really losing much. Couldn't care less about Abiko and co.
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I have read the Manga, and I will say just wait and see but let's talk about what Anime covered

Without reincarnation, Aqua's revenge not gonna happen, cuz he didn't know the stalker before so he wouldn't connect the dots and Ruby would a boring annoying 1 Dimensional character

The director wouldn't have taken a liking to Aqua, since he would be another dumb kid (sure he might be smart compared to other kid but what the heck can you even expect from a 3 years old),

and likely Ai's truth will out (they are 3 you can't expect them keep their mouth shut). probably Ai wouldn't have called their father because she didn't overheard Ruby's crazy theory about Ai not needing a man to give birth to them



and as you can see this creates way too many plot holes
@AltN all the comments i’m reading seem like the only watch anime or something. you don’t just get rid of the reincarnation and call it good, you change little things here and there. The director could absolutely still take interest in a kid that has a natural talent for acting and then loses his ability to access his emotions when his mother tragically dies. sometimes people just want to help others. Aqua doesn’t have to pull on past experiences he could just be very in tune with emotions and be a great child actor, those have existed. PTSD could be a block that kills his ability to act and makes him not want to do it. Working through that especially in a more realistic way (no reincarnation stuff) would be a powerful story. The revenge stuff can still happen, he just needs a hint that his dad is somebody in the industry and that diving back in will give him the clues to find him then has he collects clues he finds a conspiracy. Ruby’s character can be just as interesting, a little girl that wanted to be an idol like her mom but doesn’t know if she could ever measure up to her and has self esteem issues despite her looks is still a natural story along with any ptsd she might be experiencing. Add in that achieving this goal makes her feel more connected to the mother she didn’t get to have and you’ve got a good character story. There’s no issues with the plot, reincarnation is a crutch that prevents me from being able to enjoy it as much or recommend it to non anime watchers. Doesn’t matter what happens in the future either, the point is that this story and character arcs would be more powerful if they were more realistic
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I have read the Manga, and I will say just wait and see but let's talk about what Anime covered

Without reincarnation, Aqua's revenge not gonna happen, cuz he didn't know the stalker before so he wouldn't connect the dots and Ruby would a boring annoying 1 Dimensional character

The director wouldn't have taken a liking to Aqua, since he would be another dumb kid (sure he might be smart compared to other kid but what the heck can you even expect from a 3 years old),

and likely Ai's truth will out (they are 3 you can't expect them keep their mouth shut). probably Ai wouldn't have called their father because she didn't overheard Ruby's crazy theory about Ai not needing a man to give birth to them



and as you can see this creates way too many plot holes
@AltN all the comments i’m reading seem like the only watch anime or something. you don’t just get rid of the reincarnation and call it good, you change little things here and there. The director could absolutely still take interest in a kid that has a natural talent for acting and then loses his ability to access his emotions when his mother tragically dies. sometimes people just want to help others. Aqua doesn’t have to pull on past experiences he could just be very in tune with emotions and be a great child actor, those have existed. PTSD could be a block that kills his ability to act and makes him not want to do it. Working through that especially in a more realistic way (no reincarnation stuff) would be a powerful story. The revenge stuff can still happen, he just needs a hint that his dad is somebody in the industry and that diving back in will give him the clues to find him then has he collects clues he finds a conspiracy. Ruby’s character can be just as interesting, a little girl that wanted to be an idol like her mom but doesn’t know if she could ever measure up to her and has self esteem issues despite her looks is still a natural story along with any ptsd she might be experiencing. Add in that achieving this goal makes her feel more connected to the mother she didn’t get to have and you’ve got a good character story. There’s no issues with the plot, reincarnation is a crutch that prevents me from being able to enjoy it as much or recommend it to non anime watchers. Doesn’t matter what happens in the future either, the point is that this story and character arcs would be more powerful if they were more realistic
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How is it pointless when the later half of the plot is exactly about their reincarnation status?
You do know who Ruby rly is and how her past self has affection toward the doctor?
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@Sammyg921 I would say just wait and see, the reincarnation plot gets more and more important as the story progresses, and there's also Japanese mythology involved, this video https://youtu.be/eHAL1l6HzfA explains it, though it does contain spoilers, so you should watch it after season 2 ends.


There's also the fact,
, I don't think it is much of spoiler, but putting it the spoiler tag anyway since it's spoiler and will most probably covered in this season
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@Sammyg921 I would say just wait and see, the reincarnation plot gets more and more important as the story progresses, and there's also Japanese mythology involved, this video https://youtu.be/eHAL1l6HzfA explains it, though it does contain spoilers, so you should watch it after season 2 ends.


There's also the fact,
, I don't think it is much of spoiler, but putting it the spoiler tag anyway since it's spoiler and will most probably covered in this season
@AltN That spoiler isnt even a theory. A character outright says that TO US the audience.
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yeah it could have been like act age, and focused on the entertainment industry,

but the the isekai plot is probably there just to catch people's attension,
its sad though, i didn't get to that part, but the manga apparently fucks up and becomes deus ex machine with magic stuff later on,
and becomes less and less grounded in reality which sucks.
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@AltN That spoiler isnt even a theory. A character outright says that TO US the audience.

Oh, yeah my bad, I forgot that part since I binged after season 1 ended, I went to recheck and you're right
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yeah it could have been like act age, and focused on the entertainment industry,

but the the isekai plot is probably there just to catch people's attension,
its sad though, i didn't get to that part, but the manga apparently fucks up and becomes deus ex machine with magic stuff later on,
and becomes less and less grounded in reality which sucks.
@Neostorm_Y


1.Not an isekai.
2.Their reincarnation plays a role again and again.It is what shapes their characters are is actually a tool for both of them. I dont understand what more people expect from it.
3.There is no magic in it. Well unless you forget that they are reincarnated in chapter 1.
4. Not grounded in reality because....


People that havent read the manga should stop talking about it. Hell, sometimes feels people arent even watching the anime.
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Neostorm_Y said:
yeah it could have been like act age, and focused on the entertainment industry,

but the the isekai plot is probably there just to catch people's attension,
its sad though, i didn't get to that part, but the manga apparently fucks up and becomes deus ex machine with magic stuff later on,
and becomes less and less grounded in reality which sucks.

Uhhhh, Isekai and reincarnation aren't the same, and what? where did you get that information? the Manga is good and there is no magic what are you even talking about
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Neostorm_Y said:
yeah it could have been like act age, and focused on the entertainment industry,

but the the isekai plot is probably there just to catch people's attension,
its sad though, i didn't get to that part, but the manga apparently fucks up and becomes deus ex machine with magic stuff later on,
and becomes less and less grounded in reality which sucks.

Uhhhh, Isekai and reincarnation aren't the same, and what? where did you get that information? the Manga is good and there is no magic what are you even talking about
@AltN i mean once that loli god entity appears then the whole aspect of "soul" and the double personality of the protagonist etc. with the doctor and aqua himself tbh apparently becoming two different people.

the story takes a very different route imo
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Sammyg921 said:
[spoiler] The reincarnation subplot is pointless. These could have just been normal kids that grew up the way they did and the son wants to find the mother's killer. He could've just been a smart and talented kid that began to hate acting due to his mother's murder then delved back in to get clues. The only real change would've been the way they acted as babies

if they weren't reincarnated then Mikayo would've betrayed Ai and then maybe she wouldn't even die, the reincarnation part was crucial to the plot
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Sammyg921 said:
[spoiler] The reincarnation subplot is pointless. These could have just been normal kids that grew up the way they did and the son wants to find the mother's killer. He could've just been a smart and talented kid that began to hate acting due to his mother's murder then delved back in to get clues. The only real change would've been the way they acted as babies

if they weren't reincarnated then Mikayo would've betrayed Ai and then maybe she wouldn't even die, the reincarnation part was crucial to the plot
@Arhkangle thanks for the spoiler
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Sammyg921 said:
@Arhkangle thanks for the spoiler

i mean sorry bro but that's like the first 20 minutes of the first episode, of the first season, saying [spoiler] made me tough u had watched atleast the first ep
And also u have already watched that basing on your mal profile...
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@Sammyg921 I would say just wait and see, the reincarnation plot gets more and more important as the story progresses, and there's also Japanese mythology involved, this video https://youtu.be/eHAL1l6HzfA explains it, though it does contain spoilers, so you should watch it after season 2 ends.


There's also the fact,
, I don't think it is much of spoiler, but putting it the spoiler tag anyway since it's spoiler and will most probably covered in this season
@AltN i won’t check any spoilers but maybe i should rephrase what im trying to say. I’m saying you could write a story like this without the supernatural stuff and it’d be better because it’d be relatable for a lot of people. I’m not saying that this story written as is is not making use of the reincarnation. I’m sure there’s lots of plot points written using the reincarnation i just don’t think this is the type of story that needed all that. I wish somebody would write a good story like this with character development but leave out the extra steps so it could reach people outside of anime watchers. That’s my point. It’s still good, i’m still going to watch it, and i’m excited for further developments
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Sammyg921 said:
@AltN i won’t check any spoilers but maybe i should rephrase what im trying to say. I’m saying you could write a story like this without the supernatural stuff and it’d be better because it’d be relatable for a lot of people. I’m not saying that this story written as is is not making use of the reincarnation. I’m sure there’s lots of plot points written using the reincarnation i just don’t think this is the type of story that needed all that. I wish somebody would write a good story like this with character development but leave out the extra steps so it could reach people outside of anime watchers. That’s my point. It’s still good, i’m still going to watch it, and i’m excited for further developments

Well, there is an Arc about the reincarnation and supernatural elements, and it is one of my favourite arcs, so just wait and see I guess
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Neostorm_Y said:
@AltN i mean once that loli god entity appears then the whole aspect of "soul" and the double personality of the protagonist etc. with the doctor and aqua himself tbh apparently becoming two different people.

the story takes a very different route imo

Put a spoiler tag

also I and many people liked that part, if you want something realistic why watch Anime, go ask people about their lives, you are not going to have fun if you enjoy anime based on how realistic they are, most aren't
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Neostorm_Y said:
@AltN i mean once that loli god entity appears then the whole aspect of "soul" and the double personality of the protagonist etc. with the doctor and aqua himself tbh apparently becoming two different people.

the story takes a very different route imo

Put a spoiler tag

also I and many people liked that part, if you want something realistic why watch Anime, go ask people about their lives, you are not going to have fun if you enjoy anime based on how realistic they are, most aren't
@AltN thats not the point, the point is the series went off track, and took a completely different direction.
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