| What about Mutafukaz? |
| @13oFIVE it’s finally on MAL now. https://myanimelist.net/anime/57197/Scott_Pilgrim_Takes_Off |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
| The same reason why season 2 of Star wars visions, Castlevania and Arcane arent here. |
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nwssx said: @Biisoo ????????? what the fuck do these western shows have anything to do with a totally Japanese production? Even the upcoming Terminator, and Tomb raider anime won't be here. Heck even the new DMC anime wont be here I think (Although the old one is here and that's strictly a japanese production) For shows like that, just make an account on Letterboxd and add em there. Simple lol. |
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nwssx said:
@Biisoo ????????? what the fuck do these western shows have anything to do with a totally Japanese production?
@Biisoo ????????? what the fuck do these western shows have anything to do with a totally Japanese production?
Even the upcoming Terminator, and Tomb raider anime won't be here. Heck even the new DMC anime wont be here I think (Although the old one is here and that's strictly a japanese production)
For shows like that, just make an account on Letterboxd and add em there. Simple lol.
| @Biisoo again, Scott Pilgrim Takes Off isn't a western production, it is produced in a Japanese studio by Japanese people, except for the director, who lived in Japan for more than 10 years anyway and is a Science SARU director, on this site we have SuperCrooks which was based on an American comic and was aimed to the American audience or Tekkonkinkreet, which was directed by an american director, I could name at least 10 more titles that shouldn't be on this site if we go by MAL's guidelines, what makes Scott Pilgrim different from these? |
nwssxNov 29, 2023 12:45 PM
Reply to TheSlyRomano
@weegee_cool it honestly makes no sense, there's a bootleg cars movie on Mal what is the problem with this show specifically? Makes no sense
| @TheSlyRomano considering how often it seems to be getting added and removed I guess even the mods are fighting about it. I'm in agreement that if it's Japanese studio produced it should be added, like some or the other missing entries here. But both MAL and My Figure Collection have this issue with grey zone entries. |
| I honestly don't get it.... Like I understand it's western, but we have Pingu in the city.... Along with other shows from China. |
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| Oh, it's not? Pretty sure I had seen it here before. Guess they removed it. MAL db mods didn't want to add Shelter some years back either for whatever reason. This is only going to happen more often as western companies collaborate with anime studios. MAL will have to figure out a consistent way to treat those types of anime. |
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Johangoddogkun14 said:
@CrunchyCrobat The director of Scott Pilgrim has an established anime career so no you're straight up wrong.
@CrunchyCrobat The director of Scott Pilgrim has an established anime career so no you're straight up wrong.
Maybe read for it a little, there's something very interesting in Mal guidelines if you do
"the series must be made in Japan and for Japanese"
Scott pilgrim doesn't fit either criteria, whether a few of its staff has anime career or not
Suicide squad isekai on the other hand IS made in Japan, and for Japanese as you can guess from it being an isekai (something very famous in Japan), so don't just go into people's dms and call them a clown,you circus
| @CrunchyCrobat What? Just 1 minute of search https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=27712 "Animation Production: Science SARU" https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/1591/Science_SARU?q=Science SARU&cat=company 99% of the Staff is japanese people. This is a anime. |
Reply to BatoKusanagi
Oh, it's not? Pretty sure I had seen it here before. Guess they removed it. MAL db mods didn't want to add Shelter some years back either for whatever reason.
This is only going to happen more often as western companies collaborate with anime studios. MAL will have to figure out a consistent way to treat those types of anime.
This is only going to happen more often as western companies collaborate with anime studios. MAL will have to figure out a consistent way to treat those types of anime.
| @BatoKusanagi MAL already has animation and studios listed that arent from Japan or done by Japanese studios. They get dedicated sections in every seasonal anime listing on the site. Why are Chinese and Korean animation allowed if others arent? If its gonna be an exclusionary site, then make it all just Japanese and just create a My Aeni List and My Donghua List sites for these other countries. |
 "Don't let your memes be dreams."- Ancient Japanese proverb, probably |
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@BatoKusanagi MAL already has animation and studios listed that arent from Japan or done by Japanese studios. They get dedicated sections in every seasonal anime listing on the site. Why are Chinese and Korean animation allowed if others arent? If its gonna be an exclusionary site, then make it all just Japanese and just create a My Aeni List and My Donghua List sites for these other countries.
| @Technopunk Well, they left Korean and Chinese animation here because the rules were more loose back in the day and they were too lazy to remove them once the db rules became more strict. Instead they redefined anime as being animation from select Asian countries. Same thing is happening now too, mods would rather redefine anime again (so that animation made in Japan by Japanese studios can be excluded from an anime database) than admit they're being dumb about this. |
| If you are in this thread and still crying about what is and isn't anime in the year of our lord 2023 you seriously need to re-evaluate your life. I am dead serious, get help and always remember you will never be Japanese. |
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Reply to Magical_Bananana
If you are in this thread and still crying about what is and isn't anime in the year of our lord 2023 you seriously need to re-evaluate your life. I am dead serious, get help and always remember you will never be Japanese.
| @Magical_Bananana but it is anime. It’s animated by a Japanese studio. Like super crooks. https://myanimelist.net/anime/48453/Super_Crooks?q=Super%20croo&cat=anime  |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Reply to Old_School_Akira
@Magical_Bananana but it is anime. It’s animated by a Japanese studio. Like super crooks.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/48453/Super_Crooks?q=Super%20croo&cat=anime
https://myanimelist.net/anime/48453/Super_Crooks?q=Super%20croo&cat=anime
| @Old_School_Akira oh I completely agree with you. It's literally all anime. It's the people who want to so desperately keep the title of "anime" to whatever is japanese that need to re-evaluate their lives. |
| why |
| Thread cleaned, please stay on topic and keep the discussion civil. |
Reply to DeHomie
Boondocks should be on here, too. It's straight up my favorite anime. Anime is an artstyle imo, especially when there are already shows made in different countries that are considered anime. Same with Arcane, Castlevania, Rick & Morty anime, and many more mentioned in this thread. There are a lot of stupid and more questionable shows on here already
| @DeHomie I geniunely wonder if they are going to add Rick and Morty anime. Probably not, since there are already few episodes / specials, and they are not here. |
| the answer is simple. “scott pilgrim takes off” is not made in japan. the definition of anime is “hand-drawn and computer-generated animation originating from Japan.” as a reminder, “anime” is short for “animation”. while “outside Japan and in English, anime refers specifically to animation produced in Japan,” technically “in Japan and in Japanese, anime describes all animated works, regardless of style or origin.” so, why is this not on MAL but the suicide squad anime is? “Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is an anime television series developed by Bryan Lee O'Malley and BenDavid Grabinski for Netflix.” “Suicide Squad Isekai is an upcoming anime television series based on the DC Comics team Suicide Squad. It will be produced by Warner Bros. Japan and animated by Wit Studio, with Eri Osada serving as director, Tappei Nagatsuki and Eiji Umehara as the screenwriters, Naoto Hosoda as the character designer, and Kenichiro Suehiro as the composer. Manga artist Akira Amano will provide the original character drafts.” do you see the difference? in both cases it says their country of origin is both USA and Japan, but the cast and crew of the scott pilgrim are mainly from USA, while the suicide squad cast and crew are from japan. there is plenty of content on here that originates from western culture, but is produced and recreated in japan. that is the only reason it is on here. MAL only puts content on here made in japan, china or korea. there is no argument here, and i’m not sure why there is one to begin with. anyone who refutes this is grasping for straws. please refer to the wiki page for MAL if you are confused about what content they add here any further. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyAnimeList it clears it up under “features”.       |
Reply to Moonlava
@Aryu1410 alrighty, lets break this down cuz im actually curious now
1. It's animated.
yup!
2. It's created by professional staff in Japan for the Japanese market.
half yes, but actually full yes due to another rule
3. It's meant to be an animated work.
yup again
4. It's not an edit, cut, or promo of another animated work.
it certainly aint
5. Animated works must be created: in Japan for the Japanese market (anime)
in Korea for the Korean market (aeni)
in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua)
as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets
hey there's that other rule i was talkin about! the next one is a bit trickier tho
6. Works must be produced: By reputable animation companies with professional animation creators in the country of origin. Joint productions must have at least one professional animation creator from I.1 in a key position with creative control over the production; e.g. director, script, storyboard, character design. If only the animation is outsourced to Japan/Korea/China, the animation is not eligible.
aha, the culprit is revealed! invader zim: enter the florpus had korean writers and animation outsourced to korea, but that isn't considered aeni and doesn't have a mal entry either. my best guess is that even though it's technically a collab between american artists and japanese artists, the show's production cast doesn't lean enough in the latter direction to warrant recognition as a proper anime. i actually didn't know spto was animated in japan before i saw this thread, so it not having a mal entry is likely due to a combo of westernized presentation and uneven division of creative control amongst those two groups. HOWEVER, if anyone can prove that there are japanese storyboarders or writers in lead positions working on spto, there's no other reason it shouldn't be on here
1. It's animated.
yup!
2. It's created by professional staff in Japan for the Japanese market.
half yes, but actually full yes due to another rule
3. It's meant to be an animated work.
yup again
4. It's not an edit, cut, or promo of another animated work.
it certainly aint
5. Animated works must be created: in Japan for the Japanese market (anime)
in Korea for the Korean market (aeni)
in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan for their respective markets (donghua)
as a joint production between Japan/Korea/China/Taiwan and another country, for both markets
hey there's that other rule i was talkin about! the next one is a bit trickier tho
6. Works must be produced: By reputable animation companies with professional animation creators in the country of origin. Joint productions must have at least one professional animation creator from I.1 in a key position with creative control over the production; e.g. director, script, storyboard, character design. If only the animation is outsourced to Japan/Korea/China, the animation is not eligible.
aha, the culprit is revealed! invader zim: enter the florpus had korean writers and animation outsourced to korea, but that isn't considered aeni and doesn't have a mal entry either. my best guess is that even though it's technically a collab between american artists and japanese artists, the show's production cast doesn't lean enough in the latter direction to warrant recognition as a proper anime. i actually didn't know spto was animated in japan before i saw this thread, so it not having a mal entry is likely due to a combo of westernized presentation and uneven division of creative control amongst those two groups. HOWEVER, if anyone can prove that there are japanese storyboarders or writers in lead positions working on spto, there's no other reason it shouldn't be on here
| @Moonlava https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=27712 I know I am a little late but here's the proof, the production staff is mostly Japanese |
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