The biggest plot hole in Season 2.

Sep 24, 2023 6:47 AM

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wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

Tian Chen doesn't have any photo of CXS, problem solved.

Sep 24, 2023 6:54 AM

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kizumi91 said:

wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

Tian Chen doesn't have any photo of CXS, problem solved.

I swear people use any excuse to find some "plothole" in mystery shows

Sep 24, 2023 6:57 AM

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wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

bro is using every character names fluidly 💀😶‍🌫

Sep 24, 2023 7:06 AM

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There are more plot holes in those 5 statements that you just said💀💀

Sep 24, 2023 7:13 AM

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I didn't even read what you said but for the single biggest plot hole is that how the fuck is Lu Guang alive!? and how could Ma run after Qian after being shot in the left chest and how was Cheng ok after being shot near the gut!?

Sep 24, 2023 7:14 AM

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wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

lol this is such a L take. Like people are saying, everyone tries to come up with plot holes in mystery shows, and your statements have more than a B rated mystery movie 😬 Go rewatch and pay attention. Analyze, don't OVERanalyze to the point you ignore the concept of human flaws and emotions.

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Sep 24, 2023 9:03 AM

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in the mystery genre, of course people are going to search for plot holes. it’s fine, as long as they aren’t obnoxious about it.

we're connected by the black thread of fate, after all

Sep 24, 2023 9:09 AM

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wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

Tian Chen doesn't have any photo of CXS, problem solved.

@kizumi91 Tian Xi asked Qian Jin to secretly take a photo, which is a very simple task, far simpler than his massive plan, ten times simpler.

Sep 24, 2023 9:11 AM

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@kizumi91 Tian Xi asked Qian Jin to secretly take a photo, which is a very simple task, far simpler than his massive plan, ten times simpler.

@wangsimian Even though it hasn't been stated yet, I believe a photo need to have a clear view of your face or some sorts in order to activate the ability.

Sep 24, 2023 9:16 AM

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@wangsimian Even though it hasn't been stated yet, I believe a photo need to have a clear view of your face or some sorts in order to activate the ability.

@kizumi91 On the way to the hospital with Xiao Shi, Chen Bin had many opportunities. Moreover, Qian Jin has many henchmen, and it's very simple for him to take photos of Xiao Shi using telephoto equipment regularly.

Sep 24, 2023 9:21 AM

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@kizumi91 On the way to the hospital with Xiao Shi, Chen Bin had many opportunities. Moreover, Qian Jin has many henchmen, and it's very simple for him to take photos of Xiao Shi using telephoto equipment regularly.

wangsimian said:
On the way to the hospital with Xiao Shi, Chen Bin had many opportunities

But how would he do it without being noticed by CXS?

wangsimian said:
Moreover, Qian Jin has many henchmen, and it's very simple for him to take photos of Xiao Shi using telephoto equipment regularly.

That'd not make a clear view.

Sep 24, 2023 9:39 AM

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wangsimian said:
On the way to the hospital with Xiao Shi, Chen Bin had many opportunities

But how would he do it without being noticed by CXS?

wangsimian said:
Moreover, Qian Jin has many henchmen, and it's very simple for him to take photos of Xiao Shi using telephoto equipment regularly.

That'd not make a clear view.

@kizumi91 For example, when Xiaoshi is eating, changing clothes, riding in a car, or when he's in a hospital corridor with his back turned to him.

Sep 24, 2023 9:52 AM

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@kizumi91 For example, when Xiaoshi is eating, changing clothes, riding in a car, or when he's in a hospital corridor with his back turned to him.

@wangsimian When I said a clear view, it means a picture that covers the whole face. Hence, it'd be very hard to take a photo like that without being noticed.

Sep 24, 2023 9:57 AM

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wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

lol this is such a L take. Like people are saying, everyone tries to come up with plot holes in mystery shows, and your statements have more than a B rated mystery movie 😬 Go rewatch and pay attention. Analyze, don't OVERanalyze to the point you ignore the concept of human flaws and emotions.

@NickAhChu It's just a joke, I really enjoy this show, and after each episode, I spend a lot of time organizing clues and logic, so I feel a bit regretful after finishing it...

Sep 24, 2023 10:42 AM

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Plot holes aren’t the biggest issue in this show … the biggest issue is that the main villains are not at all compelling. Bruh, doing all this crap just to get your “cheating” wife out of your life is stupid. The maniacal laughter is also weird for a villain with this kind of motive.
On top of that, no chance you can hide from the Chinese government. You gonna get caught quick.

Sep 24, 2023 12:16 PM

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kizumi91 said:
@wangsimian When I said a clear view, it means a picture that covers the whole face. Hence, it'd be very hard to take a photo like that without being noticed.

I think you underestimate how effective private investigators are. They can follow someone for a week and get very clear photos without that person knowing and considering the people Qian Jin trusts I don't think he would be above hiring a PI.

Sep 24, 2023 12:29 PM

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wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

You make a good point but when they had li Tianxi there plan was just to get the phone. I can't actually remember when the point Qian Jin finds out about the timetravel but isn't it implied Li Tianchen only starts considering changing the past when he picks up the photo when Tianxi is running away. He makes the offhanded comment when he was possessing Qiao ling that he wants to control his ability but it doesn't seem to be his plan at the time

Sep 25, 2023 2:17 AM

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Their powers have limitations... Its shown 2 souls with powers cannot be in one body. It would cause the same backlash as it did with Cheng when he was in the past...
Coordinating to use the powers is pretty different however. In addition to this they have no photos... so I am not even sure what you are on about

Sep 26, 2023 7:29 PM

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ghier said:
Plot holes aren’t the biggest issue in this show … the biggest issue is that the main villains are not at all compelling. Bruh, doing all this crap just to get your “cheating” wife out of your life is stupid. The maniacal laughter is also weird for a villain with this kind of motive.
On top of that, no chance you can hide from the Chinese government. You gonna get caught quick.

That's a personal preference not a legitimate criticism. Obviously you are young enough to not experience real hardship. Jealous partners can get like this, and some people have a few screws loose that are hard to see. People have murdered their spouses and others for less. I'm not suprised he lost his mind after realizing he killed his unborn child, somewhere deep down knowing she probably wasn't cheating, but he became more crazy by denying reality.
Obv you need to be spoon-fed the themes like a simple shonen junkie.
the crazy laugh, was realizing 2 people had found each other in a similar state of longing. Qian Jin had lost his kid, while Tianchan had lost his parental figure. They became twisted surrogates in each other's lives. Never truly caring for each other or seeing the other as family.
Also, the villains were compelling about how people can become pushed to their limits.

Sep 26, 2023 9:36 PM

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@L_Jeans I didn’t know he actually killed her tbh lol. Must of completely missed it because I wasn’t interested …

Still though, kind of a weak motive. The kid is fine. I understand his motive. The man, on the other hand, is kind of pathetic. I don’t have the patience to listen to his story about trust issues. I don’t think most people would disagree with me either. It just isn’t a “hardship” to be afforded any understanding given how he acted on it.

The show probably crossed the line and got too personal with a character their audience wouldn’t at all empathize or sympathize with, or find interesting. To be frank, the villain would have been better off if he was motivated by greed so that they wouldn’t warrant much focus. Just have the kid be the unfortunate victim that is abused by a greedy mastermind.

And the maniacal laughter is still unnatural with that circumstance. It’s overused.

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Sep 30, 2023 8:15 AM

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wangsimian said:
In fact, as long as Tian Chen uses his brain a little, the plan would have succeeded long ago...
1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.
2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.
3. Tian Chen can control Xiao Shi through the photo, making him run to a specified location where Tian Chen waits.
4. Tian Chen touches Xiao Shi, thus fulfilling the plan.
5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

he didn't know how his powers worked till then so fighting was inevitable i guess cause the whole reason he agreed to fall in cxs plan was that he was interested in his abilities. plus he was more angry on him for betrayal.

Oct 3, 2023 5:15 PM

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1. There's no need to control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi . His goal is to obtain Xiao Shi's ability, and harming him would only backfire.

When he first possessed Qiao Ling, he goal wasn't to take Xiao Shi's power. At that time he didn't even understand how his powers work. His goal was to payback Xiao Shi for breaking the rules of the game. He only learned about Xiao Shi's power after he possessed Qiao Ling by getting access to her memories.

2. While in the car, Tian Chen can secretly take a photo of Xiao Shi by controlling Chen Bin through his sister. There should be plenty of opportunities for this. After taking the photo, send it to Tian Chen. (Of course, if he doesn't control Qiao Lin fight to Xiao Shi, Qiao Lin may be sent to the police station, and Xiao Shi is likely to stay in the hospital for the longest possible time. He has a lot of time to control Xiao Shi.

He was possessed right before they went into going into Lu Guan's hospital room. It would have been tough for him to secretly take a pic of Xiao Shi when everyone was in the room as it would be suspicious of him to take a photo when everyone is talking about the murderer. Also they would have heard the phone go off when a photo is taken. Lastly, if he sends the photo to Tian Chen's (or to one of the thug's phones), then it gives the police a way to track Tian Chen / the thugs.

While he would be able to access Chen Bin's memory to use his camera, it would have also made it harder to steal Liu Min's phone by swapping it.

5. Chen Bin doesn't need to die, and Tian Xi won't run away. The whole story ends. Hooray! Lol

But Chen Bin needs to die. If he doesn't die, then it is obvious he was possessed. But if he killed himself, no one knows whether or not he was possessed or if was a corrupt cop that actually committed suicide which makes it harder for the police to pin it on the murderer.

Oct 3, 2023 5:19 PM

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Plot holes aren’t the biggest issue in this show … the biggest issue is that the main villains are not at all compelling. Bruh, doing all this crap just to get your “cheating” wife out of your life is stupid. The maniacal laughter is also weird for a villain with this kind of motive.
On top of that, no chance you can hide from the Chinese government. You gonna get caught quick.

ghier said:
On top of that, no chance you can hide from the Chinese government. You gonna get caught quick.

A country of 1.4 billion people vs how many police officers. Sure there are lots of cameras but that is also a lot of data you need to sift through. The Chinese government isn't omniscient.

Also the motive for the villain isn't the best. But it is very Shakespearean which is why the wife was in a production of Romeo and Juliet. Also people do commit murder over cheating partners.

So ya, the motivation of the villain wasn't the best but I appreciate the writers tying things back into a specific theme.

Oct 3, 2023 5:31 PM

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@mrbokchoi They have facial recognition AI on their camera feeds. You commit a crime and cross into one’s feed, you’re caught.

To each their own on the villain then I suppose. I kind of had high standards given that I liked what the show was doing before it introduced this more central plot element of an antagonist to deal with.

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