Themes should be changed.

Sep 5, 2023 11:46 PM

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time travel is kinda isekai plus the reveal that this anime takes place in the future is a plot twist, it wouldn't be one if we knew it from the start

Sep 5, 2023 11:59 PM

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The problem is that this series is being sold as an Isekai. Also, changing the theme would be a huge spoiler in itself.

Sep 6, 2023 12:23 AM

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time travel is kinda isekai plus the reveal that this anime takes place in the future is a plot twist, it wouldn't be one if we knew it from the start

@Manta130 Isekai is traveling to another world or parallel universe. Exclusively something other than the place main character is from. Traveling through time simply isn't Isekai even by the loosest of definitions. Otherwise Steins;Gate, Dr. Stone, or Redo of Healer would be considered Isekai, which they simply aren't and neither is this.

Sep 6, 2023 12:32 AM

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The problem is that this series is being sold as an Isekai. Also, changing the theme would be a huge spoiler in itself.

@Piromysl Something being a spoiler shouldn't affect accurate categorization. In reality, this shouldn't be an issue just because the advertising is different from what it actually is. The goal of accurate categorization isn't to help the marketing teams, but to inform the viewer, which these themes simply don't do.

Sep 6, 2023 1:12 AM

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leion247 said:
@Manta130 Isekai is traveling to another world or parallel universe. Exclusively something other than the place main character is from. Traveling through time simply isn't Isekai even by the loosest of definitions. Otherwise Steins;Gate, Dr. Stone, or Redo of Healer would be considered Isekai, which they simply aren't and neither is this.

I know, that's why i said kinda isekai

Sep 6, 2023 1:15 AM

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@Manta130 Isekai is traveling to another world or parallel universe. Exclusively something other than the place main character is from. Traveling through time simply isn't Isekai even by the loosest of definitions. Otherwise Steins;Gate, Dr. Stone, or Redo of Healer would be considered Isekai, which they simply aren't and neither is this.

@leion247 Isekai as traveling to another world would fit within the events of the anime. The world and environment changed so drastically that it would be the same as any other fantasy isekai world if you didn't say they actually time travelled. The reason why the anime you listed aren't tagged as isekai is probably because the time traveling aspect is crucial to these stories and they generally always started off as a time travel anime to begin with.

Sep 6, 2023 2:21 AM

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@leion247 Isekai as traveling to another world would fit within the events of the anime. The world and environment changed so drastically that it would be the same as any other fantasy isekai world if you didn't say they actually time travelled. The reason why the anime you listed aren't tagged as isekai is probably because the time traveling aspect is crucial to these stories and they generally always started off as a time travel anime to begin with.

@Stomiks It literally doesn't fit though by definition. They made it clear by

If it was towards the end of the season, then I could see the reason to keep the theming. But since it isn't, I don't see why we should. Let's say we do keep the theme; we still need to add the time travel theme since that is a core theme of

spoiler or not. Along with removing the reincarnation theme since there is no argument to keep that. He's neither reborn nor in a new body after all.

Sep 6, 2023 2:23 AM

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leion247 said:
@Manta130 Isekai is traveling to another world or parallel universe. Exclusively something other than the place main character is from. Traveling through time simply isn't Isekai even by the loosest of definitions. Otherwise Steins;Gate, Dr. Stone, or Redo of Healer would be considered Isekai, which they simply aren't and neither is this.

I know, that's why i said kinda isekai

@Manta130 I see. I apologize, I assumed differently.

leion247Sep 6, 2023 2:44 AM

Sep 6, 2023 2:54 AM

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leion247 said:
@Manta130 Isekai is traveling to another world or parallel universe. Exclusively something other than the place main character is from. Traveling through time simply isn't Isekai even by the loosest of definitions. Otherwise Steins;Gate, Dr. Stone, or Redo of Healer would be considered Isekai, which they simply aren't and neither is this.

I'm confused on why you care so much but also this is just as much an isekai as something like sword art online they're still on Earth just in a video game. but it doesn't really matter

Sep 6, 2023 2:57 AM

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@Stomiks It literally doesn't fit though by definition. They made it clear by

If it was towards the end of the season, then I could see the reason to keep the theming. But since it isn't, I don't see why we should. Let's say we do keep the theme; we still need to add the time travel theme since that is a core theme of

spoiler or not. Along with removing the reincarnation theme since there is no argument to keep that. He's neither reborn nor in a new body after all.

@leion247 Seems like spoilers are treated really seriously here on MAL so I could see why it's not listed as time travel. The theme could've been applied if the reveal was shown in around episodes 1-3 but 5 is a pretty considerable time investment. The anime itself is completely ridiculous so I assume the majority of the viewers don't mind if the theme isn't listed in the entry.

Sep 6, 2023 3:24 AM

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leion247 said:
@Manta130 Isekai is traveling to another world or parallel universe. Exclusively something other than the place main character is from. Traveling through time simply isn't Isekai even by the loosest of definitions. Otherwise Steins;Gate, Dr. Stone, or Redo of Healer would be considered Isekai, which they simply aren't and neither is this.

I'm confused on why you care so much but also this is just as much an isekai as something like sword art online they're still on Earth just in a video game. but it doesn't really matter

@RyoushiMorino To be fair, Sword Art Online season one had them stuck in the other world presumably indefinitely for the first half, which is enough to consider it an "immersive" Isekai we typically are familiar with. It simply turns into a "portal-quest" Isekai, which is a different kind out of the four there are. The "portal" being the VR headset that fully connects all their sensory information into the game. Meanwhile, this isn't one at all. A video game world is a different world. Earth is still Earth whether in Roman Republic times or sci-fi future. Doesn't matter where in the timeline you are, it's the same world.

I'm mostly just upset that it lacks the time travel theme and has the reincarnation theme. The removal of the Isekai theme would simply be accurate, but not as important as the other changes in my opinion, but I will defend the point that this isn't an Isekai by any definition and that labeling something accurately should always matter. Especially when thinking about viewing this page five or ten years from now.

leion247Sep 6, 2023 3:29 AM

Sep 6, 2023 3:26 AM

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@leion247 Seems like spoilers are treated really seriously here on MAL so I could see why it's not listed as time travel. The theme could've been applied if the reveal was shown in around episodes 1-3 but 5 is a pretty considerable time investment. The anime itself is completely ridiculous so I assume the majority of the viewers don't mind if the theme isn't listed in the entry.

@Stomiks I still stand by that the labeling shouldn't account for spoilers, but I understand your point and it's a fair prospective.

Sep 6, 2023 7:07 AM

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You do realize you can edit the theme and send it for an approval to the mods instead of creating a discussion and disagreeing with everyone who's trying to tell you, why it doesn't work that way!! right?

Sep 6, 2023 4:52 PM

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You do realize you can edit the theme and send it for an approval to the mods instead of creating a discussion and disagreeing with everyone who's trying to tell you, why it doesn't work that way!! right?

@V1P3R0P Wait, I can? How would I do that?
Edit: I figured it out. I have to post on a specific forum. thank you for informing me there is a specific place to do so somewhere.

leion247Sep 6, 2023 5:20 PM

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