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killerwave2015 said: Hmm yea, from what someone else said, they seem to be adapting around three chapters per ep. But who knows what we'll see by the end XD. Currently wondering when they'll get off the island lmaoMoeCrescent said: Maybe they will but after the immediate threat of the angels is gone. Dunno if that'll happen within 24 eps but maybeGonna have to doubt that given that Vamirio is already starting to trust Helck. actually, there might be a possibility you are right. i feel like once we get more of an explanation of why Helck killed his own brother, maybe that could cause a dift in Helck and Vamirio's relationship. |
| Episode was okay. I think I am starting to see the full picture on what's going on here. "Human arethe bad guys here" certainly isn't anything new that I haven't seen before, let see what else they have to offer... o.o MoeCrescent said: Peenutz said: Well it will be getting better in the next 24 episodes, significantly. But I don’t blame you for not being able to wait 12 episodes to get to the real shit even if the story gets slightly better, i don't think there will be much of a change in ratings given how the animation quality has been since the beginning. i'm definitely moreso someone who values a certain threshold of decent animation before i think about if the story is any good. I'm would at least until ep 12 or 13 before drop. Looks like the story just started going somewhere. This isn't that bad compare to shinka no mi level of animation. :0 |
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MoeCrescent said: Stormy_77 said: Wait, he just hinted right? Did I miss the full story besides the king Sucks with not much other explanation? yeah i think he just hinted. that's all. now that i think about it...maybe he killed his brother because his brother turned into one of those "possessed heroes". that prob would align with the cause for fleeing to the demon realm and betraying humanity. Well, Helck might be a muscle head in appearance but I think he's smarter than that, and even muscle heads don't like being used. I think he did say he didn't get along with his brother, but there wasn't anything explicitly stated about the brother being dead, right? Unless this is a manga thing and IDK about that yet. What if the brother is the King and doing all these evil things? Then it would totally make sense that Helck was "I'm done with this crap," and leaves to join the demon realm. |
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MoeCrescent said: Stormy_77 said: Well, Helck might be a muscle head in appearance but I think he's smarter than that, and even muscle heads don't like being used. I think he did say he didn't get along with his brother, but there wasn't anything explicitly stated about the brother being dead, right? Unless this is a manga thing and IDK about that yet. What if the brother is the King and doing all these evil things? Then it would totally make sense that Helck was "I'm done with this crap," and leaves to join the demon realm. no no. it was mentioned in the first episode that helck is a fratricide, meaning he killed his own brother. Wait really? Gah I must have spaced out and forgot it. Might need to re-watch episode 1 now. Are we 100% sure the bro is dead, dead? Vs. Fantasy type anime dead (chance of returning)? |
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| What does Helck has on his mind , what is the mystery behind it. I can feel it, a dark secret is behind it all and painful one at that. Seeing that side of Azudra , chottoo mattee you're saying Helck defeated that guy without raising a single finger, bruh respect for Helck. |
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MoeCrescent said: Stormy_77 said: Wait really? Gah I must have spaced out and forgot it. Might need to re-watch episode 1 now. Are we 100% sure the bro is dead, dead? Vs. Fantasy type anime dead (chance of returning)? that much is uncertain. i can totally see the possibility the human king is helck's brother out of nowhere despite them claiming he died. @xkazutox , not sure. would depend on what subs you were using lol. wait, did you watch it raw or subbed? or do you mean you were watching it with subs but you could recognize what was being said even without looking at the subs? Yea, that's what I meant. I watched mostly with sub but I'm also fine watching it without looking at sub. |
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OP_Rider said: Haha pretty poetic statement. Do you think Helck will turn on Vamirio later on or no?What does Helck has on his mind , what is the mystery behind it. I can feel it, a dark secret is behind it all and painful one at that. Seeing that side of Azudra , chottoo mattee you're saying Helck defeated that guy without raising a single finger, bruh respect for Helck. |
StephDiamond said: To be perfectly honest, no I don't see that ever happening. At least not on this season. But if either of them turns bad/evil because of some influence or magic that might not be the case.Haha pretty poetic statement. Do you think Helck will turn on Vamirio later on or no? |
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MoeCrescent said: That's a pretty interesting theory. Now that you're mentioning it, however, that does seem like it could be the case. Wonder if he is a more "doing it just to be evil" type antagonist or if there's some deep motivation behind it all.OP_Rider said: To be perfectly honest, no I don't see that ever happening. At least not on this season. But if either of them turns bad/evil because of some influence or magic that might not be the case. @StephDiamond maybe it's possible for the human king to possess not just humans? perhaps that's the purpose for invading the demon realm...to turn the demons into winged knights. lol Think Kenros is pretty funny xd! Have heard his voice actor Hiroyuki Yoshino in some interviews and tv specials and stuff like that and he's always entertaining to watch lmao Mod Edit: Merged. |
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| Azudora "angry face" huh... I was thinking he would be bursting with anger, but he looks like someone playing Poker... Also, he controls trees... interesting... not what I expected at all from his color scheme. Cause most series and games tends to have blue... associated with... water.... not wood... LOL |
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MoeCrescent said: think that was the intention originally. if you remember in the first episode, vamirio explained that many of the contestants were extremely strong (prob tougher than the final contestants), but they all got creamed by helck. perhaps a few of those contestants could be stronger than a few of the 4 elite lords. however, helck beat them all and so vamirio changed the theme of the contest to something that isn't measured by physical strength or power. killerwave2015 said: The anime really shot itself in the foot by omitting this one. I've seen people in just about every discussion I check have the same misconception. This was at the beginning of chapter 4, which should have been at the beginning of episode 2, but the anime cut it out. Without it, you'd only be able to get this information with context clues.this tournament that was originally hosted was to determine who would become demon lord right? but all the final contestants besides helck are obviously weaker than any of the elite 4 lords. did they not think to about just having one of the elites inherit the title? or do they actually want helck to become the demon lord?  |
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MoeCrescent said: Well, different opinions on the voice actor aside, guessing you feel the same way about Kenros himself? As a character I mean.StephDiamond said: That's a pretty interesting theory. Now that you're mentioning it, however, that does seem like it could be the case. Wonder if he is a more "doing it just to be evil" type antagonist or if there's some deep motivation behind it all. there probably is some depth to it i would assume. heard this series has good writing/story so i would assume the human king isn't merely doing it just to be evil. though the winged knights portrayed in this episode do seem pretty shallow. ehh...looking at the roles the VA behind kenros has played, i found his voice to be annoying and obnoxious. |
MoeCrescent said: Ahh I see. Hopefully he gets better for you as the show goes on lol. His speed might be really useful later StephDiamond said: Well, different opinions on the voice actor aside, guessing you feel the same way about Kenros himself? As a character I mean. i don't find him obnoxious like the VA's other roles but kenros has pretty much only played the comedic role and it's not really funny. |
Frosteek said: MoeCrescent said: think that was the intention originally. if you remember in the first episode, vamirio explained that many of the contestants were extremely strong (prob tougher than the final contestants), but they all got creamed by helck. perhaps a few of those contestants could be stronger than a few of the 4 elite lords. however, helck beat them all and so vamirio changed the theme of the contest to something that isn't measured by physical strength or power. killerwave2015 said: The anime really shot itself in the foot by omitting this one. I've seen people in just about every discussion I check have the same misconception. This was at the beginning of chapter 4, which should have been at the beginning of episode 2, but the anime cut it out. Without it, you'd only be able to get this information with context clues.this tournament that was originally hosted was to determine who would become demon lord right? but all the final contestants besides helck are obviously weaker than any of the elite 4 lords. did they not think to about just having one of the elites inherit the title? or do they actually want helck to become the demon lord? Aaah that infographic would have been really useful to see in the anime, as it explains a LOT. I guess that's why we have discussion boards like this, where us non-manga readers at least have a chance to find out things like this, from dedicated manga readers. |
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| Bro this the same Azudora from two episode ago? Guy sure changed his attitude fast. Pretty sick power too. Also Vamirio's reaction never gets boring. |
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MegamiRem said: Bro this the same Azudora from two episode ago? Guy sure changed his attitude fast. Pretty sick power too. Also Vamirio's reaction never gets boring. I liked him for his brains when he told Vamirio he was sending Helck to retake the castle. If he succeeded, the demons win. If he dies, the problem is solved. Win-Win. At that time I had him pegged as the "smart" one. But now he's showing his true powers, and he's not just smart, but also strong in magic. Now I like him even more. He might be one of the top 5 characters, but the cutest is still kitty horse, Piwwi is up there too. |
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MoeCrescent said: MegamiRem said: Bro this the same Azudora from two episode ago? Guy sure changed his attitude fast. Pretty sick power too. Also Vamirio's reaction never gets boring. Not only did Azudora change his attitude. Dude somehow healed all his injuries that he took a beating from Helck. so Azudora has access to any plants in his surroundings while Vamirio has access to fire. i suppose then the other elite lords have access to some elemental energy? Maybe Azudora has extremely high regeneration and he was just acting helpless while Vamirio was there? You bring up a good point though. Maybe they're all elemental in nature?
Given they have 4 generals if it's Fire Water Earth (including plant) and Air, then it's likely the last 2 generals are Water (and Ice) or Air (and lightning)? Just speculating. |
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MoeCrescent said: The explosions are pretty cool. Got to love a character who can blow stuff up XDStephDiamond said: Ahh I see. Hopefully he gets better for you as the show goes on lol. His speed might be really useful later ya know who makes a good comedic character though? Vamirio and her reactions. Mikako Komatsu finally doing a role that's fun, badass, and not so annoying. Lemme know when Kenros can be badass like her. Girl got som fiyahh powah. Stormy_77 said: Oh yeah this is actually really helpful lmao. Pretty weird how its not in the adaptation would've helped a bunchFrosteek said: The anime really shot itself in the foot by omitting this one. I've seen people in just about every discussion I check have the same misconception. This was at the beginning of chapter 4, which should have been at the beginning of episode 2, but the anime cut it out. Without it, you'd only be able to get this information with context clues. Aaah that infographic would have been really useful to see in the anime, as it explains a LOT. I guess that's why we have discussion boards like this, where us non-manga readers at least have a chance to find out things like this, from dedicated manga readers. Mod Edit: Merged. |
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MoeCrescent said: Stormy_77 said: Maybe Azudora has extremely high regeneration and he was just acting helpless while Vamirio was there? You bring up a good point though. Maybe they're all elemental in nature?
Given they have 4 generals if it's Fire Water Earth (including plant) and Air, then it's likely the last 2 generals are Water (and Ice) or Air (and lightning)? Just speculating. yeah i imagine that to be the case. the special number "4" usually points to the 4 basic elements. so water and air would prob be the other 2 elite lord's special abilities. i'm kinda curious about the great witch the chief was talking about. the witch put up a barrier that prevents others from coming but can't helck/vamirio just break it down? really feels like the show is trying to drag by keeping them stalled on the island. either that, or severely nerf the demon realm's strength but keeping helck here bound. if vamirio and helck truly need to return to the continent in a hurry, they shouldn't wait. Yes, I'm guessing since 4 generals you're probably right that they'll use the classic 4 elements so Water and Air for the other 2 elite lords. Seems like the Japanese mangakas aren't really fond of the Feng Shui Elemental cycle, sigh. Missed opportunity there. This witch is an interesting character. Since there are some Greek Myth ones, is there any chance it could be Ciirce? One of the more famous Greek Witches. She does have air abilities, illusions and some minor mind control if the old myths hold true. Not sure how easy it would be for Helck and Vamirio to break the barrier, maybe the Witch will leave with them and become an ally? Wait ... am I really suggesting the start of a Helck-Harem? Some women love a strong man to protect them, especially in dangerous places like the demon realm! Or on an island in the middle of nowhere. |
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MoeCrescent said: yeah i imagine that to be the case. the special number "4" usually points to the 4 basic elements. so water and air would prob be the other 2 elite lord's special abilities. i'm kinda curious about the great witch the chief was talking about. the witch put up a barrier that prevents others from coming but can't helck/vamirio just break it down? really feels like the show is trying to drag by keeping them stalled on the island. either that, or severely nerf the demon realm's strength but keeping helck here bound. if vamirio and helck truly need to return to the continent in a hurry, they shouldn't wait. Stormy_77 said: The Empire Four Heavenly Kings are actually based on these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Symbols . In fact, it's where Vamirio and Azudora get their names. As for MoeCrescent's question about the witch's barrier, the anime showed it as a physical barrier for some reason, but it's more like the Lost Woods from Ocarina of Time. It's not a wall, it just makes you wind up back at the foot of the mountain when you try to climb it.Yes, I'm guessing since 4 generals you're probably right that they'll use the classic 4 elements so Water and Air for the other 2 elite lords. Seems like the Japanese mangakas aren't really fond of the Feng Shui Elemental cycle, sigh. Missed opportunity there. This witch is an interesting character. Since there are some Greek Myth ones, is there any chance it could be Ciirce? One of the more famous Greek Witches. She does have air abilities, illusions and some minor mind control if the old myths hold true. Not sure how easy it would be for Helck and Vamirio to break the barrier, maybe the Witch will leave with them and become an ally? Wait ... am I really suggesting the start of a Helck-Harem? Some women love a strong man to protect them, especially in dangerous places like the demon realm! Or on an island in the middle of nowhere. |
Frosteek said: Oh yeah, I can see the similarities with the names. Wonder if the names of the other two with share some similarities too MoeCrescent said: yeah i imagine that to be the case. the special number "4" usually points to the 4 basic elements. so water and air would prob be the other 2 elite lord's special abilities. i'm kinda curious about the great witch the chief was talking about. the witch put up a barrier that prevents others from coming but can't helck/vamirio just break it down? really feels like the show is trying to drag by keeping them stalled on the island. either that, or severely nerf the demon realm's strength but keeping helck here bound. if vamirio and helck truly need to return to the continent in a hurry, they shouldn't wait. Stormy_77 said: The Empire Four Heavenly Kings are actually based on these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Symbols . In fact, it's where Vamirio and Azudora get their names. As for MoeCrescent's question about the witch's barrier, the anime showed it as a physical barrier for some reason, but it's more like the Lost Woods from Ocarina of Time. It's not a wall, it just makes you wind up back at the foot of the mountain when you try to climb it.Yes, I'm guessing since 4 generals you're probably right that they'll use the classic 4 elements so Water and Air for the other 2 elite lords. Seems like the Japanese mangakas aren't really fond of the Feng Shui Elemental cycle, sigh. Missed opportunity there. This witch is an interesting character. Since there are some Greek Myth ones, is there any chance it could be Ciirce? One of the more famous Greek Witches. She does have air abilities, illusions and some minor mind control if the old myths hold true. Not sure how easy it would be for Helck and Vamirio to break the barrier, maybe the Witch will leave with them and become an ally? Wait ... am I really suggesting the start of a Helck-Harem? Some women love a strong man to protect them, especially in dangerous places like the demon realm! Or on an island in the middle of nowhere. MoeCrescent said: Haha yea, that witch is way more powerful than doruushi lmao. Its much more powerful and she doesn't need to eat chocolate to do it XDStormy_77 said: Yes, I'm guessing since 4 generals you're probably right that they'll use the classic 4 elements so Water and Air for the other 2 elite lords. Seems like the Japanese mangakas aren't really fond of the Feng Shui Elemental cycle, sigh. Missed opportunity there. This witch is an interesting character. Since there are some Greek Myth ones, is there any chance it could be Ciirce? One of the more famous Greek Witches. She does have air abilities, illusions and some minor mind control if the old myths hold true. Not sure how easy it would be for Helck and Vamirio to break the barrier, maybe the Witch will leave with them and become an ally? Wait ... am I really suggesting the start of a Helck-Harem? Some women love a strong man to protect them, especially in dangerous places like the demon realm! Or on an island in the middle of nowhere. lol. don't know much about greek myths/witches. the Witch might join them and travel back to the main continent. i think she'd be a better replacement than doruushi with that giant barrier she casted separating the village from her home. doruushi playing the useless barrier character getting completely overshadowed by old witch. heh Mod Edit: Merged. |
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Frosteek said: Oh! It's the Feng Shui 4 cardinal direction beasts - Dragon, Tortoise, Phoenix and Tiger! So the names make sense too! Thanks for letting me know! I did however find it strange that Azudora (The Azure Dragon) happens to have plant powers, when in Chinese Mythology the dragon is normally related to the water / sea element.MoeCrescent said: yeah i imagine that to be the case. the special number "4" usually points to the 4 basic elements. so water and air would prob be the other 2 elite lord's special abilities. i'm kinda curious about the great witch the chief was talking about. the witch put up a barrier that prevents others from coming but can't helck/vamirio just break it down? really feels like the show is trying to drag by keeping them stalled on the island. either that, or severely nerf the demon realm's strength but keeping helck here bound. if vamirio and helck truly need to return to the continent in a hurry, they shouldn't wait. Stormy_77 said: The Empire Four Heavenly Kings are actually based on these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Symbols . In fact, it's where Vamirio and Azudora get their names. As for MoeCrescent's question about the witch's barrier, the anime showed it as a physical barrier for some reason, but it's more like the Lost Woods from Ocarina of Time. It's not a wall, it just makes you wind up back at the foot of the mountain when you try to climb it.Yes, I'm guessing since 4 generals you're probably right that they'll use the classic 4 elements so Water and Air for the other 2 elite lords. Seems like the Japanese mangakas aren't really fond of the Feng Shui Elemental cycle, sigh. Missed opportunity there. This witch is an interesting character. Since there are some Greek Myth ones, is there any chance it could be Ciirce? One of the more famous Greek Witches. She does have air abilities, illusions and some minor mind control if the old myths hold true. Not sure how easy it would be for Helck and Vamirio to break the barrier, maybe the Witch will leave with them and become an ally? Wait ... am I really suggesting the start of a Helck-Harem? Some women love a strong man to protect them, especially in dangerous places like the demon realm! Or on an island in the middle of nowhere. Haven't played Zelda so the barrier is a return to origin type, wonder how they'll get around this. |
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| Vermilio and Helck encountering a masked man, they both have every right to be cautious. And indeed, being surrounded by the same mysterious figures, it's a village of people and creatures that Helck knows and wants to surprise her, but it flopped so bad. Of course, all of the resources came from them, same with the boat-making to try leaving the island as soon as possible. The Great Witch residing in the mountain, she'll only pop out every once in a while, so both the empress and beefcake are on their own for now for survival. As to why Helck saved Vermilio, he just treated everyone as friends, especially since he left Edil and the winged knights, and became a traitor to the human realm. The truth bespoke when Vermilio raised the same question back, Helck has a grudge to fulfill against the Human King before it gets out of hand. Back to the cave, and more of the winged knights appear facing Hyura, Kenros and Dorsche. But these winged knights are no slouch, and to make matters worse, they are outnumbered, and just when all hope seems lost, Ista and Hon came to the rescue, with their demon reinforcements awaiting them outside the castle...plus Elite Lord Azudra (wearing his mask), knowing that the human realm has had a new king that drove it to hell and back, seeking demolition of the demon realm. Not even the strongest of the winged knights and a thousand can rival Azudra. Man, Azudra is a menace, pulling no punches. |
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| Haha i can't believe the chief doing surprise party for the group. Helck playing along with it while Vamirio showed a little bit of surprise with some another cute frowning remarks from her. Good part. A little casual talk suddenly revealed Helck story about the past winged knight which turned out to be his true best friend on the past? Cold face Helck become much colder this time while the sun set on the background, what a gloomy vibe going around there. Now Vamirio needs to be more trust on Helck as long as Helck indeed tell the truths about his intention. Let's see if its stays along the line for both, while waiting for the great witch to meet them.... Meanwhile back at the demon realm, the prev gang trying hard to survive. But too bad winged knights arrive again to give a little prep talk with them? Mentioned the human king which cause all the invasion, might lead to a more concrete understanding about what's going on with the human side. Tho, before that, its nice to get some Azudora cool part fighting against those bunch of winged knights at once, not just doing a fool errand and be the clown figure like before. Isty with the cat suit also, yes. Wish her to give me a nice scar on the face. Please.... |
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Peenutz said: Deafness said: No problem I actually agree that the beginning is pretty mediocre. I dropped the series once around 15 chapters in until someone told me it has a “golden age arc” around chapter 30 and then once I binged through it it was amazing. That should be episode 12 and then through the rest of the 2nd cour if the pacing stays consistent, so if you want to get a feel if it’s truly for you, stick around till thenHuh, that's interesting but I guess it makes sense since a lot of the comedy is reliant on the misunderstanding between the 2 mains so once that gets cleared up that isn't surprising. i don't drop so hopefully I enjoy it more as it goes on. I'll find out eventually either way but this could be a positive or negative depending on how into the world/characters I am. Thanks for clarifying Welp, you have been very, very helpful with your response to @deafness. I started watching Helck for 2 reasons:-
It's been a mixed bag for me so far. On one hand I really want this to hurry up and "git guud" but most folks will likely have dropped after episode 3 because of the admittedly mediocre animation, which even I am not fond of. The story is okay, the comedy has been a huge selling point so far. If Helck had Undead Girl level of animation, it would be an automatic watch vs. "be patient and keep watching it will get good." Generally I am very patient, but this season I've already dropped 6 or 7 shows, so without people like you (manga readers) encouraging me to keep the faith, Helck might have joined that pile of "drop now and wait till it ends to binge, or wait till others have finished it to even consider re-starting it and taking it off the "drop" list. |
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| The contrast between the peaceful village and the demon empire is insane. I'm very interested in the mountain witch, but knowing this show they're going to be funny as heck ! (pun intended) |
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| And so Helck's time on the island continues with Anne. I suppose this time on the island has helped strengthen his resolve, considering him admitting he was now prepared to face the newly awakened army once more. Guessing since Helck comments they are no longer humans and instead living weapons for the king that perhaps the king pushed these guys to invade. King definitely made a mistake being too hasty with his resources. I suppose with the remaining three demon king candidates left to protect the castle ruins, their fighting ability was drastically reduced. That is, until the reinforcements arrived. Imagine a world where the demons and humans coexistence in peace. With hundreds of heroes and maybe a not polluted landscape, they could have made a paradise. But nope, direct orders from the king to send all your fledgling heroes out to get wrecked by demons. Did humans really think 100 Baby Helcks = 1 Helck? |
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| Really liking that Vamirio's starting to warm up to Helck, and that the reason for Helck's hatred for humans is slowly being revealed. Azudra casually dominating Flying types with a Grass type move was badass. |
| Another solid round of fight scenes. With Azudra to round it out. Island Helck is best Helck tho. The comfy slice-of-life building scenes are the best. |
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| Oh man, it was some serious episode. And the old guy, lol. |
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| The fight was good enough, we get to know a bit more about Helck too. |
| From what Helck has said I get the impression that the Awakened Humans have little or no free will, and even the talkative ones are unreasonably bloodthirsty. So yeah, killing the king could well resolve the war. |
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