Attack on Titan
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Leon888 said: HoesEatinDogFood said: of having divided a season finale into several parts, of poor animations, of flat direction, of incoherent design, but above all of having abused a bad cgi to make giants, but have you at least seen the anime?Because they didn’t I have and it’s fantastic. Only bad thing is mappas didn’t give the AOT team enough time which resulted in it being divided so much. Besides from that mappa did great. |
I don't see AoT as masterpiece but I don't see MAPPA's AoT as something horrible either, it's fine so far, not bad. |
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Leon888 said: The art animation is definitely cleaner to me. I could barely see the dark lines that is predominant in Wit Studio's animation style.marquinti2 said: What ? where would they improve the work? that already Wit had done an almost difficult job to top, and besides most of the soundtracks they use, are by WitMAPPA only elevated Attack on Titan for its sheer quality and masterpiece of a storytelling. It did a better job than WIT. The opening songs, ending songs, and original soundtrack are gory and thrilling to represent the dire situation the characters are in. The opening and ending songs picked by WIT Studio are awesome, but what hits the feels for me are the opening and ending songs of Attack on Titan: The Final Season. I can feel the rumbling when The Rumbling played. My War opening also hits a different feeling when cour 1 of The Final Season started airing. |
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Leon888 said: why people keep defending this season, even though mappa did a horrible job and ruined aot ? Mappa haven't done anything purposefully, and this is exactly what you get when you try to make hard ass animation like AOTFS within 8 months or less. Talking about pacing and cut off manga panels, time restrictions are to be blamed again. And also, mappa isn't the one to be blamed for anything, if anyone is to be blamed here that's the genius man KoDaNsHa. Also, the only terrible animation we saw was in the two episodes named the warhammer titan and assault. Before I say anything more, note that if wit studio worked on final season instead of mappa with the same conditions, people would've reacted to the animation in an even more terrible way, and the company knows that pretty well, and they quit the project because they won't be able to do it well. Mappa was somehow still able to 'complete' it and that's the lone surprising fact; it only shows that mappa's staff is more efficient in working. To think that aside from these two episodes mappa did jobs like these, is what keeps me wondering whether they even sleep once in every 72 hours......  |
MonsterSkasJul 18, 2023 9:51 PM
Leon888 said: Mate, your opinions are not objective. People enjoy the show for their own reasons just as you enjoy your shows for your own reasons. It's not that hard to understand. Also you're not the first criticise the anime post timeskip so don't think your opinions are any more special than others.DexterDrubo said: so objectivity does not exist? It's just the bad opinion of people to say that nanatsu no taizai season 3 has bad animations, actually they are beautiful, lolbecause they have different opinions? Are common sense becoming more and more foreign to humans? |
| anyways when is the next episode getting released |
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| It didn't stand out as something horrid to me it was forgettable compared to the than other seasons |
| been 2 yrs and ppl still keep making threads about this every week lord ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ |
Monster_Skas said: yes well the final product is still insufficient, if you know you can't do it, you don't, and it was Mappa who took the job, despite the ridiculous timing imposed by Kodansha, but then it's not just the episodes you said that are poorly animated, see for example ep 14, the battle between Levi and titan beast was horribleLeon888 said: why people keep defending this season, even though mappa did a horrible job and ruined aot ? Mappa haven't done anything purposefully, and this is exactly what you get when you try to make hard ass animation like AOTFS within 8 months or less. Talking about pacing and cut off manga panels, time restrictions are to be blamed again. And also, mappa isn't the one to be blamed for anything, if anyone is to be blamed here that's the genius man KoDaNsHa. Also, the only terrible animation we saw was in the two episodes named the warhammer titan and assault. Before I say anything more, note that if wit studio worked on final season instead of mappa with the same conditions, people would've reacted to the animation in an even more terrible way, and the company knows that pretty well, and they quit the project because they won't be able to do it well. Mappa was somehow still able to 'complete' it and that's the lone surprising fact; it only shows that mappa's staff is more efficient in working. To think that aside from these two episodes mappa did jobs like these, is what keeps me wondering whether they even sleep once in every 72 hours...... |
Leon888 said: i meant that i first joined this site like 2yrs ago and every week when i was here there was a thread like this(abt AOT) trending and im just expressing remembrance lolrealthomyorke said: Think how awful this season was if it's still bad news after all this timebeen 2 yrs and ppl still keep making threads about this every week lord ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ |
Leon888 said: Because I think it's really good. I understand that you don't like it and that these are your critiques but you arguing with people on here isn't going to make them change their minds. Some people like it and some people don't. That's how everything in life goes. No need to make such a big deal out of it. strawberryhoney said: I don't expect the fact of having divided a last season into several parts, of poor animations, of flat direction, of incoherent design, but above all of having abused a bad cgi to make giants... how you can say it's good ? only you knowBecause it's good? I don't know what else you expect us to say. And if it wasn't good it wouldn't be rated so high. Forgive me if any of that sounded rude, I don't intend for it to be. |
| shutcho dumbass up |
 I spared your life on a whim, nothing more. |
| why do people defend a show that they like? |
Leon888 said: Monster_Skas said: yes well the final product is still insufficient, if you know you can't do it, you don't, and it was Mappa who took the job, despite the ridiculous timing imposed by Kodansha, but then it's not just the episodes you said that are poorly animated, see for example ep 14, the battle between Levi and titan beast was horribleMappa haven't done anything purposefully, and this is exactly what you get when you try to make hard ass animation like AOTFS within 8 months or less. Talking about pacing and cut off manga panels, time restrictions are to be blamed again. And also, mappa isn't the one to be blamed for anything, if anyone is to be blamed here that's the genius man KoDaNsHa. Also, the only terrible animation we saw was in the two episodes named the warhammer titan and assault. Before I say anything more, note that if wit studio worked on final season instead of mappa with the same conditions, people would've reacted to the animation in an even more terrible way, and the company knows that pretty well, and they quit the project because they won't be able to do it well. Mappa was somehow still able to 'complete' it and that's the lone surprising fact; it only shows that mappa's staff is more efficient in working. To think that aside from these two episodes mappa did jobs like these, is what keeps me wondering whether they even sleep once in every 72 hours...... True, but man, unfortunately no other studio was able to take it. MAPPA took it only because other studios weren't able to. First of all it's stupidly hard to animate, and then it was made worse by the schedule. But I'll be honest, aside from those two episodes and the one you mentioned, the animation was pretty good, the 2D kinda looked stiff and in that part they probably never animated on 1s. But then, look at what they did with part 2, it looks amazing! Two Brothers, From You 2000 Years Ago, and many other episodes, were all constantly on ๐ฅ. MAPPA is a powerhouse studio capable of taking in huge projects and completing them under severe circumstances. No other studio is capable of even pulling put horrible jobs quicker than MAPPA does. We're just glad that we're getting a final season. You might say that, "what's the need of even adapting under such conditions, you could rather focus on working on Chainsaw Man season 2 or JJK season 2", but say these things to kodandha, cuz he's the genius person (or team) behind ruining AOT FS P1. Here's a side by side comparison or AOT and Demon Slayer's animation, see how gorgeous both of them look https://youtu.be/7M0B4_p5AI8 . But anyways, FS P3 has arrived and we all know that it has more stellar animation than anything AOT has ever got, and according to the latest news we got, the time limiter has been removed, which also means that the upcoming episode is going to be fire. Edit: Aside from everything, Yuuichirou Hayashi's direction is more stellar than Araki's. Araki was great in the action scenes, but aside from that, he wasn't really all that good. |
MonsterSkasJul 20, 2023 12:56 AM
Monster_Skas said: well look if in the 2nd part, the first 2 episodes I find are mediocre but all in all in line with the previous season while the 1st part of the 3rd I was also finding it rather good in my opinion, but the series is technically dead from the second half of the 3rd episode, even the rendering of the rumbling didn't convince me at all, or at least, more than that everything that came before, that at both the directorial and animation level I find both the sum of what I had talked about before, animations reduced to the bone supported by a direction of disarming mediocrity, 6 and 11 instead nothing to say, they have some cut bowler hats, but I guess it's because all the best animators they had were put there without doing anything in the rest of the series.Leon888 said: yes well the final product is still insufficient, if you know you can't do it, you don't, and it was Mappa who took the job, despite the ridiculous timing imposed by Kodansha, but then it's not just the episodes you said that are poorly animated, see for example ep 14, the battle between Levi and titan beast was horrible True, but man, unfortunately no other studio was able to take it. MAPPA took it only because other studios weren't able to. First of all it's stupidly hard to animate, and then it was made worse by the schedule. But I'll be honest, aside from those two episodes and the one you mentioned, the animation was pretty good, the 2D kinda looked stiff and in that part they probably never animated on 1s. But then, look at what they did with part 2, it looks amazing! Two Brothers, From You 2000 Years Ago, and many other episodes, were all constantly on ๐ฅ. MAPPA is a powerhouse studio capable of taking in huge projects and completing them under severe circumstances. No other studio is capable of even pulling put horrible jobs quicker than MAPPA does. We're just glad that we're getting a final season. You might say that, "what's the need of even adapting under such conditions, you could rather focus on working on Chainsaw Man season 2 or JJK season 2", but say these things to kodandha, cuz he's the genius person (or team) behind ruining AOT FS P1. Here's a side by side comparison or AOT and Demon Slayer's animation, see how gorgeous both of them look https://youtu.be/7M0B4_p5AI8 . But anyways, FS P3 has arrived and we all know that it has more stellar animation than anything AOT has ever got, and according to the latest news we got, the time limiter has been removed, which also means that the upcoming episode is going to be fire. Edit: Aside from everything, Yuuichirou Hayashi's direction is more stellar than Araki's. Araki was great in the action scenes, but aside from that, he wasn't really all that good. Instead as regards the 3rd part, the 1st episode was good but not exceptional, apart from some cuts of Hangie I find it a very normal episode, and indeed the final part with them starting to fight it was very noticeable how much the cgi clashed with the environment, both the white titan beast and the armored titan were very ugly models to see in action |
Leon888 said: You asked why people defend it. That means that you are asking for people's personal reasons as to why they defend a show. But I can give you the specifics if you'd like because admittedly I was vague:strawberryhoney said: but you should never give credit to bad ratings, even tokyo revengers has a high rating, despite its bad, however i don't argue that people liked it, that goes to personal taste, but if you come and tell me that it's really good despite all the problems it has, then i really raise my hand, what are we talking about anime, tv series, movies, etc ? because if now it's all personal taste and everything can be saved, then these discussion forums wouldn't make sense either.Because I think it's really good. I understand that you don't like it and that these are your critiques but you arguing with people on here isn't going to make them change their minds. Some people like it and some people don't. That's how everything in life goes. No need to make such a big deal out of it. And if it wasn't good it wouldn't be rated so high. Forgive me if any of that sounded rude, I don't intend for it to be. You mentioned the final season being split up into multiple parts. Yes, it sucks to have to wait for the final half, but it gives time to the animators to make it really good. It's also a very anticipated series and they don't want the fans to have to wait for four years like we did for season 2. You said that the cgi is bad but the titans being cgi made them a lot more disturbing and out of place, it worked really well later on in the series. The use of cgi to do dynamic scenes like Levi and Kenny's fight was one of the best uses of it I've ever seen. The plot, ost, openings, characters and their development are all fantastic. The world building and detail that goes into it is incredible and Isayama in specific is really good at being able to express fear and dread in his art and I think that it was well translated into the animation. It tackles topics about discrimination, loss, class, politics, humankind banding together in times of distress, and it's done well. The final season may not be as good as the other ones but that's why we have the other ones; it gives context. The series as a whole is very highly regarded so of course people are going to defend it. |
strawberryhoneyJul 20, 2023 8:21 PM
Leon888 said: Monster_Skas said: well look if in the 2nd part, the first 2 episodes I find are mediocre but all in all in line with the previous season while the 1st part of the 3rd I was also finding it rather good in my opinion, but the series is technically dead from the second half of the 3rd episode, even the rendering of the rumbling didn't convince me at all, or at least, more than that everything that came before, that at both the directorial and animation level I find both the sum of what I had talked about before, animations reduced to the bone supported by a direction of disarming mediocrity, 6 and 11 instead nothing to say, they have some cut bowler hats, but I guess it's because all the best animators they had were put there without doing anything in the rest of the series.True, but man, unfortunately no other studio was able to take it. MAPPA took it only because other studios weren't able to. First of all it's stupidly hard to animate, and then it was made worse by the schedule. But I'll be honest, aside from those two episodes and the one you mentioned, the animation was pretty good, the 2D kinda looked stiff and in that part they probably never animated on 1s. But then, look at what they did with part 2, it looks amazing! Two Brothers, From You 2000 Years Ago, and many other episodes, were all constantly on ๐ฅ. MAPPA is a powerhouse studio capable of taking in huge projects and completing them under severe circumstances. No other studio is capable of even pulling put horrible jobs quicker than MAPPA does. We're just glad that we're getting a final season. You might say that, "what's the need of even adapting under such conditions, you could rather focus on working on Chainsaw Man season 2 or JJK season 2", but say these things to kodandha, cuz he's the genius person (or team) behind ruining AOT FS P1. Here's a side by side comparison or AOT and Demon Slayer's animation, see how gorgeous both of them look https://youtu.be/7M0B4_p5AI8 . But anyways, FS P3 has arrived and we all know that it has more stellar animation than anything AOT has ever got, and according to the latest news we got, the time limiter has been removed, which also means that the upcoming episode is going to be fire. Edit: Aside from everything, Yuuichirou Hayashi's direction is more stellar than Araki's. Araki was great in the action scenes, but aside from that, he wasn't really all that good. Instead as regards the 3rd part, the 1st episode was good but not exceptional, apart from some cuts of Hangie I find it a very normal episode, and indeed the final part with them starting to fight it was very noticeable how much the cgi clashed with the environment, both the white titan beast and the armored titan were very ugly models to see in action Pretty fair points. It's down to preferences now really. Anyways I hope you now understand why people defend AOT FS so much, because most of the haters come in spitting on mappa and making ridiculous claims, which is pretty stupid, so they need to be corrected upto an extend (not that fanboys don't make mistakes either, sometimes they make pretty ridiculous claims aswell). The first episode of part 2 was pretty well animated, the movements were too smooth (compared to the mostly static 2D in FS P1), but in one or two places the smoke had glitches which actually does not make sense since they improved their cgi by leagues so why is a simple smoke supposed to have glitch. I didn't find that same smoke glitch issue anymore so that's OK. Final season part 2 after that continued blowing my mind with impressive animation, and imo the rumbling was executed almost perfectly with almost zero flaws, but we call that 'perfect execution of the rumbling' since there's really no limit to how better things can be. The white Beast Titan in FS P3 was pretty impressive in my eyes, the only moment in which it looked a little bad was when it was viewed from the aircraft and the camera was inside the aircraft, the white beast titan looked over-compressed and like a stick figure, but that is a disadvantage of cgi so they really couldn't do anything. The armored titan looked a little weird too I agree, they honestly could've 2D animated it for such a small scene, cuz there's a disadvantage of cgi which I mentioned above. But aside from these two moments, I didn't find a single flaw in FS P3, it kept throwing mind blowing after mind blowing scenes carried by the stellar direction of Hayashi-san. Mappa's art is also very accurate to the manga which is also why it gets admiration from tons of people. Wit wasn't very accurate to the manga, but their fight choreography was impressive. But again, animation isn't everything. When it came to adaptation, I don't know why but Wit did some weird changes. I haven't read much of the manga, but those who have read it have said that Wit studio had ruined Mikasa, and they also wasted a few moments. When it came to mappa, they were super accurate to the manga, they cut off maybe a few panels, but I don't see tons of complaints regarding that. When it came to Wit studio, they tried to make AOT their own by changing and altering stuff and by adding some original characters temporarily. And when it comes to mappa, they try to make AOT their own, but by being very accurate to the manga, and by improving a few parts for the better (like they did with FS P3). That being said, I hope now you also understand why so many people admire mappa for the work they did, there really weren't massive problems considering the jump in quality in terms of overall adaptation. At the end of the day, it all comes down to preferences. Have a nice day.  |
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