| It’s hard to say. This retelling isn’t faithful to the manga so we can’t see how far off the end we are. Imo they can end it with just 12 episodes, but we’ll see. |
 ๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
on BrolyTheLegend said: MeVike said: It’s hard to say. This retelling isn’t faithful to the manga so we can’t see how far off the end we are. Imo they can end it with just 12 episodes, but we’ll see. Fr? Is there any point in even watching it then? I’v hated watching this, and yes it’s cos of the CGI but just triguns world in general is boring I mean is there a point in life? Its up to you to decide if there’s a point or in this case, if there’s a point in watching it. The only thing we truly know is that this anime does not follow the manga (funnily enough the 2nd half of the og anime didny either) and knowing that, we cannot know for sure if it’ll have another season or if it will end within the next 4 episodes. I’d advise you to check the og anime if you haven’t yet. The 90s animation is my fav era of anime and the characters are kinda more fun. |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
| I watched a lil video essay type vid on this by Bonsai Pop and they introduced this theory that this season is just a preboot (prequel & reboot) with some future story beats repurposed to fit before the July Incident & and that the season could end with the July Incident and aftermath. Then next season begins and we'll get to see Milly and a more mature version of the gang next season. I really liked the idea and it seems plausible because if this week is another flashback episode, I don't know how they're planning on wrapping everything up in 3 episodes aside from an ending like that. But we'll see! |
ad stellas super alas angeli. |
| I don't feel like it will be wrapped up in a satisfying way in just 3 more episodes. So I'm hoping for a season 2, but so many people have voiced their dislike of it, it seems unlikely... but I can hope. |
| I do think 12ep is a little bit to short. Since I got a feeling the story isn't halfway through. Let's see if there's a lot of watchers. I think if there is, they might add a S2. Otherwise it's like all those short Anime's. A advertisement for the manga. |
| Reliable leaker is saying it will get 24 episodes. |
wvkv said: AND you were wrongAfter the end of ep9, I think they have the time to wrap up the show in 3 eps. I kinda don't see any possibility of a season 2 (story-wise). There is no material for a season 2. |
ghier said: I dunno. I think its true it might be underwatched. But not well liked? Not true. Most people that arent ''OG anime or GTFO'' mindset, seemed to love watching the show. Nevermind merely ''like'' it.Prolly not, right? It isn’t that well liked or popular. I’m personally not that interested. The finale was just an experience. Not many shows can boast about a strong finale like that. |
| “Ha ha, the synergy between my left and right hand made them feel scared.” Ye Xiu said. |
ghier said: I don’t think that’s a good metric for evaluating the viability of a second season. Then why mention it? Popularity is all that matters then. Doesn't matter if its liked or not if a show is not popular. A show being disliked would only matter if the show was very popular or well-watched. Characters were already written pretty well, imo. Especially Nai, Conrad, Wolfwood. Vash, to an extent. Even Zazie. Not everyone is an amazing person from the start, but that just leaves room for further character growth in season 2. I dont call that poor writing. I'm kind of wondering what people who say the characters need to be better, thought was wrong with them. |
| “Ha ha, the synergy between my left and right hand made them feel scared.” Ye Xiu said. |
ghier said: As for characters, Vash is such a cliche that I am tired of seeing. I mean, I can understand that. It certainly explains why you arent interested. The core of the show is all about Vash's idealism. Not liking it explains very well why you dont like the show. Its a very respectively perspective or opinion to have. ghier said: And there are probably plenty of other improvements that could be made. The writing here is mid. But just because you dont like the plot, doesnt mean its written poorly. You assume your suggestions are automatically ''improvements'' when its just the way you would have liked the story to be. |
| “Ha ha, the synergy between my left and right hand made them feel scared.” Ye Xiu said. |
| Pretty sure the second season was part of the deal from the get go. If it wasn't though, it probably wouldn't happen - the chance of a second season is usually based on (or used to be based on) Japanese ratings, and currently they're abysmally low (ranked 3000+th and 6.8 on anikore, not even in the top 20 on ranking.net, 19th on anime.nicovideo.jp). Even here on Mal despite the praise and over-rating its just 7.8, 20th by members and 1700+th by popularity... Really wasn't all that good i'd say, maybe next season will be better since it should be more faithful to the manga, with it done being a fully made up 'we know better' stupid prequel thing |
Lol, why are you so dismissive with that? He seems to be a new reboot exclusive viewer, and the reboot presents ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION nor even bothers to draw and present any strong conviction to his pacifist ideology (just a brief sliding mention that 'he's a pacifist'), unlike the 98 show... So given what he did see, there's be no reason for him to think that's outside the realm of possibility, unlike the people familiar with the old show and/or manga. This is just one more reason i think this show's bad - it doesn't bother to present the main character nor his ideology and the history behind it at all (nor many of the other important things, both for this story, and the stuff that is important to make ANY story interesting)... Why is Vash even on the human's side here?? There's absolutely no reasoning given, at best its only Knives'es suggestion that 'he likes humans'... Which still doesn't explain his pacifism toward them nor him for that matter on the part of Vash at all! Such a mess of a story. |
sssfullchain said: Can't believe this actually turned out to be true, kudos to them.I watched a lil video essay type vid on this by Bonsai Pop and they introduced this theory that this season is just a preboot (prequel & reboot) with some future story beats repurposed to fit before the July Incident & and that the season could end with the July Incident and aftermath. Then next season begins and we'll get to see Milly and a more mature version of the gang next season. I really liked the idea and it seems plausible because if this week is another flashback episode, I don't know how they're planning on wrapping everything up in 3 episodes aside from an ending like that. But we'll see! |
mkzxwing said: Even here on Mal despite the praise and over-rating its just 7.8 This show is a lot better then a 7.8, which is why its getting a lot of praise. So the score is not a result of over-rating, but under-rating. Reason it is that low is because there are people like yourself hating the show for reasons seemingly unrelated to this show itself, but rather prefering how the 98' show did things differently. (while saying it was more ''faithful'' to the manga, hah!) Yes, I dont buy that you read the manga if you are also praising the 98' show at the same time while hating on this one. Anikore's reviews are a shitshow. I've read them. People (rightfully) complain about MAL reviews, well those are even worse as there seem to be less genuine reviews and more hate or cynical ''I dont know what it means to enjoy anime anymore'' reviews. |
| “Ha ha, the synergy between my left and right hand made them feel scared.” Ye Xiu said. |
Elinchayiel said: mkzxwing said: Even here on Mal despite the praise and over-rating its just 7.8 This show is a lot better then a 7.8, which is why its getting a lot of praise. So the score is not a result of over-rating, but under-rating. Reason it is that low is because there are people like yourself hating the show for reasons seemingly unrelated to this show itself, but rather prefering how the 98' show did things differently. (while saying it was more ''faithful'' to the manga, hah!) Yes, I dont buy that you read the manga if you are also praising the 98' show at the same time while hating on this one. Anikore's reviews are a shitshow. I've read them. People (rightfully) complain about MAL reviews, well those are even worse as there seem to be less genuine reviews and more hate or cynical ''I dont know what it means to enjoy anime anymore'' reviews. Oh, no, overrating has been a problem on here for a while, it started with an influx of new anime fans that happened with netflix and some other platforms becoming popular and adapting anime, so all the new people came in, rating and massively boosting the scores of everything available. I don't think the 98 show is perfect either, its full of really stupid decisions and rough spots too, but it DID capture the comedy and interactions of the manga way better, it also had worldbuilding and way more character development, the characters themselves also had attitudes and traits, unlike here when they're all just barely present. And yes, the 98 was more faithful both with story and spirit, stampede had a couple more story bits but was not frightful to the spirit at all, and it CHANGED pretty much everything so idk how you could say its faithful to the story either. |
| MAL has added a sort of confirmation, that there will be a 2nd season. So if you liked the 1st, then I'd say it's 60% or 70% a done deal, that a 2nd season will comem |
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HagePotPotato said: mkzxwing said: yea. i'm gonna have to disagree with your statement that they didn't address that "at all"Lol, why are you so dismissive with that? He seems to be a new reboot exclusive viewer, and the reboot presents ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION nor even bothers to draw and present any strong conviction to his pacifist ideology (just a brief sliding mention that 'he's a pacifist'), unlike the 98 show... So given what he did see, there's be no reason for him to think that's outside the realm of possibility, unlike the people familiar with the old show and/or manga. This is just one more reason i think this show's bad - it doesn't bother to present the main character nor his ideology and the history behind it at all (nor many of the other important things, both for this story, and the stuff that is important to make ANY story interesting)... Why is Vash even on the human's side here?? There's absolutely no reasoning given, at best its only Knives'es suggestion that 'he likes humans'... Which still doesn't explain his pacifism toward them nor him for that matter on the part of Vash at all! Such a mess of a story. They literally didn't. |
mkzxwing said: it started with an influx of new anime fans Nice try, but personally I started watching anime some 20~25 years ago and have meanwhile seen (read/played) too much media to ever be able to recount. I am not new to rating my experience. mkzxwing said: it DID capture the comedy and interactions of the manga way better, The manga wasnt all comedy like the anime was for the most part. From what everyone has been saying this show is the one that captured the interactions better then the old one. Did you really read the manga, because it doesnt sound like it based on the arguments you used so far. mkzxwing said: it also had worldbuilding and way more character development A lot of the villains had basically none, whereas Trigun Stampede gave development for most of them (with the remaining ones like Legatto just not getting much of any screentime.. yet). This is also a prequel. Its a pretty damn weird to expect all the character development that is ment to happen to the main cast in the future, to instead happen during season 1 of this show, when its still a prequel at this point. Only someone that would made a pointless (in this context) comparison to the manga or 98' show could list that as reason why this show ''wasnt good''. We did see character development, just not much with the characters you would have liked to see. mkzxwing said: Vash being unable to really act to save people is not a bad trait or attitude? Knives killing people enmasse is not a bad attitude or trait? Wolfwood being too cynical and not believing in anything untill Vash, is not a bad attitude or trait? I could go on, but I think the point is clear already. Saying characters dont have bad attitudes or traits is just non-sense and not true.the characters themselves also had attitudes and traits, unlike here when they're all just barely present. mkzxwing said: And yes, the 98 was more faithful both with story and spirit, stampede had a couple more story bits but was not frightful to the spirit at all, More arguments that reinforce my notion that you probably didnt even read the manga. 98' show is has more relation with the story (since atleast to some degree it tells the actual story events, rather then its prequel/flash backs) but is much less faithful to the spirit of the manga/Trigun. And seeing how its a prequel, it doesnt need to adapt the story.. it needed to create story that fit with Triguns spirit as prequel. It succeeded at that quite well. Why else would manga readers praise Trigun Stampede exactly for that? For making Knives more like manga Knives, the story more serious like the manga, etc. Who would I trust? The people that can more accurately describe the manga and appear to be big fans of them, who say its true to Triguns spirit more then the 98' show? Or perhaps the mangaka, who has been extremely excited about the show as well as moved by how it ended up? Or perhaps someone that ''thinks the show is overrated'' when most people are praising it sky high after episode 12, and who doesnt seem to have a good idea of the differences between manga and 98', to the point someone like me who watched & read neither.. can refute your arguments? |
ElinchayielApr 10, 2023 2:20 PM
| “Ha ha, the synergy between my left and right hand made them feel scared.” Ye Xiu said. |
Elinchayiel said: mkzxwing said: it started with an influx of new anime fans Nice try, but personally I started watching anime some 20~25 years ago and have meanwhile seen (read/played) too much media to ever be able to recount. I am not new to rating my experience. mkzxwing said: it DID capture the comedy and interactions of the manga way better, The manga wasnt all comedy like the anime was for the most part. From what everyone has been saying this show is the one that captured the interactions better then the old one. Did you really read the manga, because it doesnt sound like it based on the arguments you used so far. mkzxwing said: it also had worldbuilding and way more character development A lot of the villains had basically none, whereas Trigun Stampede gave development for most of them (with the remaining ones like Legatto just not getting much of any screentime.. yet). This is also a prequel. Its a pretty damn weird to expect all the character development that is ment to happen to the main cast in the future, to instead happen during season 1 of this show, when its still a prequel at this point. Only someone that would made a pointless (in this context) comparison to the manga or 98' show could list that as reason why this show ''wasnt good''. We did see character development, just not much with the characters you would have liked to see. mkzxwing said: Vash being unable to really act to save people is not a bad trait or attitude? Knives killing people enmasse is not a bad attitude or trait? Wolfwood being too cynical and not believing in anything untill Vash, is not a bad attitude or trait? I could go on, but I think the point is clear already. Saying characters dont have bad attitudes or traits is just non-sense and not true.the characters themselves also had attitudes and traits, unlike here when they're all just barely present. mkzxwing said: And yes, the 98 was more faithful both with story and spirit, stampede had a couple more story bits but was not frightful to the spirit at all, More arguments that reinforce my notion that you probably didnt even read the manga. 98' show is has more relation with the story (since atleast to some degree it tells the actual story events, rather then its prequel/flash backs) but is much less faithful to the spirit of the manga/Trigun. And seeing how its a prequel, it doesnt need to adapt the story.. it needed to create story that fit with Triguns spirit as prequel. It succeeded at that quite well. Why else would manga readers praise Trigun Stampede exactly for that? For making Knives more like manga Knives, the story more serious like the manga, etc. Who would I trust? The people that can more accurately describe the manga and appear to be big fans of them, who say its true to Triguns spirit more then the 98' show? Or perhaps the mangaka, who has been extremely excited about the show as well as moved by how it ended up? Or perhaps someone that ''thinks the show is overrated'' when most people are praising it sky high after episode 12, and who doesnt seem to have a good idea of the differences between manga and 98', to the point someone like me who watched & read neither.. can refute your arguments? "Its a prequel" Its a MADE UP prequel you mean, which didn't even need to exist anyway since the manga already has a mostly different and great, finished story to tell anyway. You can do this shit for any crappy fanfic - say its a prequel and completely fuck up the characters, then say "oh, but its a prequel, they didn't develop yet~" Don't make shit up please. I'm fresh out of a re-reading of the manga and the show's nothing like it, nor has any comedy or character building like it. You named ONE character trait for a few people and think this somehow works..? Let's leave Knives aside, because i think that he's the only one that DID had some work put in around him, but Vash? Wolfwood? Heck no. Prequel or not, Wolfwood doesn't need to be THAT different because when they first met him in the manga and the 98 show, he was ALREADY the fun, loud, interesting wise ass swindling priest that always had something witty to say, and was a pleasure to watch in the manga, and especially the 98 anime... And he DIDN'T meet Vash yet so he wasn't changed by him' either. Same for Vash, there's absolutely no reason for him to be this emo fuck in stampede, considering in episode 1 and 2 he was ALREADY kind of acting like he was in the 98 show and in the manga, except less witty, cool and entertaining. For example, how do we meet Wolfwood in the manga? The second he's in, he's loud and funny, screaming Vashe's name when he's trying to hide it, acts all buddy-buddy, brings out his silly confession box, acts like a silly swindling businessman with it, then being nice to kids... Then commenting on Vash having a fake sad smile all the time. That's already almost more character development in ONE CHAPTER and some brief panels than he had in the entirety of stampede. "But they showed his backstory"? So what? I still have no idea who stampede's wolfwood is, nor does he make sense because from that history they established he only cares about the orphanage, yet, he lets Knives END THE WORLD without even TRYING to fight back. And even worse, its not entertaining nor pleasant to watch, the difference between this Wolfwood and the one in the manga's first appearance, and the anime (later ones too because he cracks jokes while fighting too), is the difference between a successful performance artist, vs a featureless highschool emo. And that's the impression you get from him from a mere couple chapters, because in the trigun manga he makes a VERY brief two chapter appearance, while here he's always there, yet his presence is that of a ghost... Nor is there the kind of friendliness and open-ness and interactions between him, Vash and the others in the scene. In his second appearance, he literally greets Vash with a slap (despite being injured) and a friendly smile, then got serious a bit, and then they're off to kick ass and crack jokes again, chat and jokingly fight over spaghetti. That, again, is a very brief span of time of just one chapter, but its OOZING with character, and despite not really knowing his past or anything, we already have a feel for how he is, and its also a pleasure to watch. How about in stampede? (I'll remind you one anime episode is equal to one - 3 chapters of a manga btw)... Well, Meryl hits him with a car (which is extremely dumb in the middle of the wide open desert btw) and he's out of it, which is nice and comedic, and a decent start... And then fuck that, they bring him to a station with dead people and the scene is NO LONGER about him and the introduction of this new character. Then he's sighing and tired, does a funeral, fucking up the words, gets asked if he's a priest... And says no, and that he only knows how a funeral works... While acting like an annoyed mobster toward Meryl, telling her to 'keep her dirty hands' away from the cross... In front of a kid who supposedly just saw people dying, maybe close ones (we don't know if he knows its Zazie yet, nor does it really matter for his character). Who the hell is this jaded asshole again..? Then when they remind him of the kid, he sighs, squats next to the kid and gives them candy, all while doing an exposition dump about how 'he was like him, lost his parents and grew up in an orphanage'. Then says 'you can always fill your stomach and laugh' which makes no sense in the situation, and its supposed to make him a good guy in this situation somehow..? And passes a huge check to Vash, finally smiling, which would be nice and comedic if they didn't start making a scene out of it and he wasn't still acting like a mobster. Then they get eaten, dropping exposition about the worm, he keeps sighing and acting jaded, they go searching for the kid, and Wolfwood starts babbling some nonsense about self sacrifice and life while eating a bug... And Roberto gets suspicious and start talking about assasins, how he can kill with a smile... Its all random bullshit and over the place, and i'll remind you, this is HIS SUPPOSED INTRODUCTION SCENE/EPISODE! Some more meaningless fluff dialogue about being in the worm after the drunk disappears, they get spat out, eaten again, now he talks about only meeting this day but Vash turning his back to him... What the fuck kind of dialogue is that? And after that its back to the kid who's revealed to be Zazie, Wolf shoots him, he says 'see you if you can get out'... And then Wolf shoots the bullshit laser, cuts the thing in half and... Well they get out right away. Its a fucking meaningless mess. Then he says he's joining and has a bit more background arguing with Meryl, and we're also semi told who Wolfwood really is and that its his job by Zazie who returns to do that exposition dump... This is about 1-3 manga chapters worth of content which does nearly nothing in the way of showing his character and attitude aside being Jaded and a quick dung dump about a snippet of his past and his 'job'. Its not at all enjoyable to watch too, nor makes any sense plot and story making wise, because he's both not written to be enjoyed, and because we're told almost EVERYTHING about him straight away. Oh, and again, they didn't explain SHIT about Vashe's pacifism (you know, the CORE of his character..?), so his motivations and actions make no sense in the context of the show, unless you know the originals, which, being a reboot and regimenting, wouldn't make sense either, nor work for a newcomer. The villains weren't developed in the manga/anime and here they are? SERIOUSLY? Neon gang's leader alone has more character than all the side villains in stampede put together in his brief MANGA appearance, the anime has more. Meanwhile stampede... Eg the mine? We're not told shit of him or even really get to see him, aaand... He's dead. The Nebraskas? Show up in an even shittier why than the 98', are 'defeated', then decide to act good but die off right away, literally or figuratively, dunno if the dad survives after his hand was cut, nor do i really care, not like they where amazing characters anyway. The crazed army guy from episode 1 that agrees to the duel to preserve his honor..? But shot that cluster missile, ready to kill everyone, including his men for no apparent reason, and that can shoot a thrown 22 OUT OF THE AIR AT FIFTY + FEET for no apparent reason..? He makes like two appearances, both of which don't develop him at all and don't make sense. Zazie and his/her bullshit about the planet and the worms..? Okay, i'll give you that, MAYBE you can find that a little interesting if you're really into the gaia hippie crap... But, well, sorry, but its still horribly written and was done BETTER in tens of other shows. Same shit for the doctor, kind of, all he really did is endless exposition dumps about his experiment for no reason. Gale? He's not even present since his mind's gone. Same for Wolf's 'brother'. Legato? He shows up for a couple minutes at best. Same for nail girl, just kills Roberto cuz with the show ending there's no need for exposition. The ONLY somewhat decently developed villain in the show is Knives, and that's just 2-3 episodes of the whole show, although his plan and idea to break Vash's mentality is horribly cliche and nonsensical so it lowers the value of that too, because, tell me, how many times have you seen this kind of scene with brainwashing..? Except with FAR better execution and way better reasoning as to why it worked story and character wise..? I can think of at least 20 shows, pretty much all of them handling it better too. The other villains (nor side and even MAIN characters!) don't get shit. They look pathetic even compared to episode 2 of the 98's show cardboard cutout of the evil capitalist baddie. I'm not saying the original was perfect, but its story was told in a much more rational, entertaining and compelling way... And much closer to the spirit (and story) of the manga too. Pretty much all of stampede meanwhile is made up, shuffled and re-done, including characters and attitudes. "But its a prequel"? No, its a shitty reboot, and re imagining, not just a prequel. Which could be fine if it was more well thought out and well written, but it really isn't. |
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