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Feb 17, 2023 9:00 PM
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Lavian is a fighter, pure and simple. She's never mentioned in any cold steel game whatsoever in any form or fashion. Will she go to Erebonia and come back empty handed with nothing to show for it? sounds like a waste. Will she end up fighting Rean in some silly fight between games and probably en up winning as to make the series worth the time? much more likely and would pretty much ruin Rean's character to make him stop waging war in an retconesuqe fashion where before it was him stopping and now it would be Levian beating his ass that makes him change. His ability to overcome any obstacle is is... Well it is his only strong point. He's otherwise quite pathetic so if they hand Levian a win then Rean is reduced to nothing. Cold Steel games are bad enough as they are, don't kill the protagonist completely.

All just ramble mixed with idle speculation
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Feb 17, 2023 10:13 PM
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Rean is far from unbeatable in term of actual skill. At this point in the story, if Levi is as good as, say, Xeno and Leonidas she can give Rean a hard time.  Actually, if she is as good as Lloyd and Rixia, she would have a decent chance to beat him as long as he doesn't call his robot.



Feb 18, 2023 12:13 AM
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Most sane cold steel hater
Feb 18, 2023 8:20 AM
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ColdSteel is a joke already. This anime is just a new argument to reinforce the fact that Coldsteel writing is very bad. The “worldbuilding” is not interesting or creative just quantity > quality and they use the excuse of “slow pace” to sell more games with less effort. It’s not that hard to give NPCs a lot of dialogue and the main characters are generic and follow step by step they archetype (trope characters in trails exist since Trails in the Sky but ColdSteel is a lot more lazy).

This anime committed the same mistake but worse. There’s fanboys that are saying things like: “People don’t understand Trails” or “The Episodes until now are focused in worldbuilding”.

What worldbuilding? The episodes are boring and didn’t bring anything new to franchise other than a stupid terrorist clown.
Feb 18, 2023 8:24 AM
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The power level in trails is a complete mess. The anime fights will be bad no matter what they do.
Feb 18, 2023 10:35 PM
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Marina2 said:
Rean is far from unbeatable in term of actual skill. At this point in the story, if Levi is as good as, say, Xeno and Leonidas she can give Rean a hard time.  Actually, if she is as good as Lloyd and Rixia, she would have a decent chance to beat him as long as he doesn't call his robot.


The problem here is that this is set between games and is on course to intercept with the game characters. Levian is written to be as strong as necessary to deal with the situation the writer has planned out. And since she's never mentioned in the games, i better damn well hope that she doesn't do anything significant to or with the game characters as that would further screw up cold steels less than stellar story. I hope it branches away from cold steel and they only have token appearances.
StormenFeb 19, 2023 5:07 PM
Feb 20, 2023 2:56 AM
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Stormen said:
Marina2 said:
Rean is far from unbeatable in term of actual skill. At this point in the story, if Levi is as good as, say, Xeno and Leonidas she can give Rean a hard time.  Actually, if she is as good as Lloyd and Rixia, she would have a decent chance to beat him as long as he doesn't call his robot.


The problem here is that this is set between games and is on course to intercept with the game characters. Levian is written to be as strong as necessary to deal with the situation the writer has planned out. And since she's never mentioned in the games, i better damn well hope that she doesn't do anything significant to or with the game characters as that would further screw up cold steels less than stellar story. I hope it branches away from cold steel and they only have token appearances.
I'll always find it hilarious that Lavi got beat by a random clown dude. And I'll be sure to remind people of that whenever she wins any future fight.
Feb 20, 2023 6:29 AM
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Secret333 said:
Stormen said:

The problem here is that this is set between games and is on course to intercept with the game characters. Levian is written to be as strong as necessary to deal with the situation the writer has planned out. And since she's never mentioned in the games, i better damn well hope that she doesn't do anything significant to or with the game characters as that would further screw up cold steels less than stellar story. I hope it branches away from cold steel and they only have token appearances.
I'll always find it hilarious that Lavi got beat by a random clown dude. And I'll be sure to remind people of that whenever she wins any future fight.

Yeah it was pretty ridiculous i agree. And now she'll soon beat the ashen knight. Writer gotta be braindead if that happens. "But she's a jaeger" blabla. Yes, so is a bunch of other people who're just like any other military grunt, not a special forces ninja person at 15 no less.
Feb 20, 2023 10:11 PM
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Smells like bad hot takes in here.
Feb 20, 2023 10:39 PM

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Stormen said:
Secret333 said:
I'll always find it hilarious that Lavi got beat by a random clown dude. And I'll be sure to remind people of that whenever she wins any future fight.

Yeah it was pretty ridiculous i agree. And now she'll soon beat the ashen knight. Writer gotta be braindead if that happens. "But she's a jaeger" blabla. Yes, so is a bunch of other people who're just like any other military grunt, not a special forces ninja person at 15 no less.

But she didn't get beaten? She just get knocked away for a while and soon got back on her feet with no visible damage. Moreover, she didn't use her weapons on the clown during the fight. She didn't use her full skill back then.

Also, you didn't think Lavi skill will remain at the same level through out the show right? That's not how Cold steel writing work.


Feb 21, 2023 3:49 AM
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Stormen said:

Yeah it was pretty ridiculous i agree. And now she'll soon beat the ashen knight. Writer gotta be braindead if that happens. "But she's a jaeger" blabla. Yes, so is a bunch of other people who're just like any other military grunt, not a special forces ninja person at 15 no less.

But she didn't get beaten? She just get knocked away for a while and soon got back on her feet with no visible damage. Moreover, she didn't use her weapons on the clown during the fight. She didn't use her full skill back then.

Also, you didn't think Lavi skill will remain at the same level through out the show right? That's not how Cold steel writing work.



You're right. Cold steel features improvement. Over years, not some episode spanning weeks or a few months
Feb 22, 2023 3:08 AM
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Marina2 said:
Stormen said:

Yeah it was pretty ridiculous i agree. And now she'll soon beat the ashen knight. Writer gotta be braindead if that happens. "But she's a jaeger" blabla. Yes, so is a bunch of other people who're just like any other military grunt, not a special forces ninja person at 15 no less.

But she didn't get beaten? She just get knocked away for a while and soon got back on her feet with no visible damage. Moreover, she didn't use her weapons on the clown during the fight. She didn't use her full skill back then.

Also, you didn't think Lavi skill will remain at the same level through out the show right? That's not how Cold steel writing work.



In terms of hand to hand combat, she was beaten. That’s the point. She had to pull out a gun.
Feb 22, 2023 9:24 PM
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Secret333 said:
Marina2 said:

But she didn't get beaten? She just get knocked away for a while and soon got back on her feet with no visible damage. Moreover, she didn't use her weapons on the clown during the fight. She didn't use her full skill back then.

Also, you didn't think Lavi skill will remain at the same level through out the show right? That's not how Cold steel writing work.



In terms of hand to hand combat, she was beaten. That’s the point. She had to pull out a gun.

I mean the clown was a hardened carnival troupe leader, expert and stuff like gymnastics, strong enough to balance multiple people and flexible enough to pull crazy carnival stunt.
The clown one upping Lavi in strength is not surprising. Since Lavi is more shown to be more of Great at using multiple kinds of weapon than hand to hand combat.
The clown manhandling her makes more sense than having characters like Elliot(who has no combat training whatsoever), Machias and Alisa (who might have slight combat training), suddenly beat up trained military guys or suddenly capable of taking down strong monsters without having that much difficulty in catching up with the combat trained members of Class 7. You could say class 7 are selected cause they are special but making them day 1 significantly capable needs more suspension of disbelief.
Feb 22, 2023 9:54 PM
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Sonson7 said:
Secret333 said:

In terms of hand to hand combat, she was beaten. That’s the point. She had to pull out a gun.

I mean the clown was a hardened carnival troupe leader, expert and stuff like gymnastics, strong enough to balance multiple people and flexible enough to pull crazy carnival stunt.
The clown one upping Lavi in strength is not surprising. Since Lavi is more shown to be more of Great at using multiple kinds of weapon than hand to hand combat.
The clown manhandling her makes more sense than having characters like Elliot(who has no combat training whatsoever), Machias and Alisa (who might have slight combat training), suddenly beat up trained military guys or suddenly capable of taking down strong monsters without having that much difficulty in catching up with the combat trained members of Class 7. You could say class 7 are selected cause they are special but making them day 1 significantly capable needs more suspension of disbelief.

I agree. My problem with them showing her being defeated was that I knew they won’t be consistent with it. You could argue they already broke it when she defeated Talion in ep7. She has her swords and he has his, and she ends up knocking him to the ground, physically.
It might be an issue of the animation failing to relay exactly what happens, or that Talion was not focusing, but I’m afraid this show will do this again without us being able to use these possible explanations.
Feb 23, 2023 7:45 AM
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Let's be honest, this will suffer for the "current protagonist has to be the best" syndrom that child like creators make. Keep arcs separate FFS or at the very least don't have them fight each others as ultimate goals. 
Feb 23, 2023 5:13 PM
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Secret333 said:
Sonson7 said:

I mean the clown was a hardened carnival troupe leader, expert and stuff like gymnastics, strong enough to balance multiple people and flexible enough to pull crazy carnival stunt.
The clown one upping Lavi in strength is not surprising. Since Lavi is more shown to be more of Great at using multiple kinds of weapon than hand to hand combat.
The clown manhandling her makes more sense than having characters like Elliot(who has no combat training whatsoever), Machias and Alisa (who might have slight combat training), suddenly beat up trained military guys or suddenly capable of taking down strong monsters without having that much difficulty in catching up with the combat trained members of Class 7. You could say class 7 are selected cause they are special but making them day 1 significantly capable needs more suspension of disbelief.

I agree. My problem with them showing her being defeated was that I knew they won’t be consistent with it. You could argue they already broke it when she defeated Talion in ep7. She has her swords and he has his, and she ends up knocking him to the ground, physically.
It might be an issue of the animation failing to relay exactly what happens, or that Talion was not focusing, but I’m afraid this show will do this again without us being able to use these possible explanations.

Lavi wasn't exactly "beaten" as in KOd though, it's more of the Clown overpowering her in strength wrestle mania style. It's like if base Rean were to challenge Laura in a strength base competition, Laura would obviously beat her. Or if he challenge Fie in an agility base fight then Rean would lose.
Or big example is how Valimar is significantly weaker without his weapon.
Or if we look for Canon example, it's like how both Fie and Laura beat all the Class Vii boys in a swimming competition.
I mean that just makes more sense. It would need more suspension of Disbelief if Lavi is Mary Sue good at everything, like her being really good with different kind of weapons is already amazing. Adding fist fights to her arsenal of expertise is kinda you know...
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Stormen said:
Let's be honest, this will suffer for the "current protagonist has to be the best" syndrom that child like creators make. Keep arcs separate FFS or at the very least don't have them fight each others as ultimate goals. 

You Stormen, still active with your hot takes. That make you seem blind to what you are watching.
Like the MC straight up runaway for dear life from Millium and Altina, while Millium and Altina are just fumbling around with the chase. Like how does that "translate to ooohhh,, the MC are the best at everything". When she end up running away and regretting it cause she knows she can't beat the iron bloods.
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Considering what the games tell us about the Northern War I don't think Lavi is going to beat Rean
Feb 24, 2023 11:18 PM
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Sonson7 said:
Stormen said:
Let's be honest, this will suffer for the "current protagonist has to be the best" syndrom that child like creators make. Keep arcs separate FFS or at the very least don't have them fight each others as ultimate goals. 

You Stormen, still active with your hot takes. That make you seem blind to what you are watching.
Like the MC straight up runaway for dear life from Millium and Altina, while Millium and Altina are just fumbling around with the chase. Like how does that "translate to ooohhh,, the MC are the best at everything". When she end up running away and regretting it cause she knows she can't beat the iron bloods.

I might be wrong, you might be wrong. Let's see who of us has to eat his words.
Feb 25, 2023 12:24 AM
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Stormen said:
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You Stormen, still active with your hot takes. That make you seem blind to what you are watching.
Like the MC straight up runaway for dear life from Millium and Altina, while Millium and Altina are just fumbling around with the chase. Like how does that "translate to ooohhh,, the MC are the best at everything". When she end up running away and regretting it cause she knows she can't beat the iron bloods.

I might be wrong, you might be wrong. Let's see who of us has to eat his words.

Yeah...
The games already let's you know, North Ambria, lost. So how can this anime's MC win, when they lost the war???
I mean yeah, she will put up a fight, but she is fighting for the losing side.
Feb 25, 2023 9:04 AM
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I might be wrong, you might be wrong. Let's see who of us has to eat his words.

Yeah...
The games already let's you know, North Ambria, lost. So how can this anime's MC win, when they lost the war???
I mean yeah, she will put up a fight, but she is fighting for the losing side.

I'm not talking about winning the war, i'm talking about beating Rean. Now stop typing and be patient so we can see who can say "I told you so"
Feb 25, 2023 1:17 PM
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Yeah...
The games already let's you know, North Ambria, lost. So how can this anime's MC win, when they lost the war???
I mean yeah, she will put up a fight, but she is fighting for the losing side.

I'm not talking about winning the war, i'm talking about beating Rean. Now stop typing and be patient so we can see who can say "I told you so"

Again how can she beat Rean, when Rean was the one who eliminated all berserked Archaisms at the end of war, which Rean overused Ogre Mode that he can't use it anymore at the start of CS 3.
Like Rean is kinda OP in CS at this point that only the elite Oroboros members or the Stonger characters in CS can beat Rean since Ogre mode has no nerfing element.
Lavi is strong but she is not even Crow levels of strong. And Rean can solo Crow.

Like I am basing this at least with the given context in the game and not like your claims which you pulled out of the air.
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Feb 26, 2023 8:34 AM
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I'm not talking about winning the war, i'm talking about beating Rean. Now stop typing and be patient so we can see who can say "I told you so"

Again how can she beat Rean, when Rean was the one who eliminated all berserked Archaisms at the end of war, which Rean overused Ogre Mode that he can't use it anymore at the start of CS 3.
Like Rean is kinda OP in CS at this point that only the elite Oroboros members or the Stonger characters in CS can beat Rean since Ogre mode has no nerfing element.
Lavi is strong but she is not even Crow levels of strong. And Rean can solo Crow.

Like I am basing this at least with the given context in the game and not like your claims which you pulled out of the air.

Calm your tits. Not gonna discuss anything with you. Like i said, we'll see who's right. Now grab a bucket of ice water and pour over your head
Feb 26, 2023 3:03 PM
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Stormen said:
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Again how can she beat Rean, when Rean was the one who eliminated all berserked Archaisms at the end of war, which Rean overused Ogre Mode that he can't use it anymore at the start of CS 3.
Like Rean is kinda OP in CS at this point that only the elite Oroboros members or the Stonger characters in CS can beat Rean since Ogre mode has no nerfing element.
Lavi is strong but she is not even Crow levels of strong. And Rean can solo Crow.

Like I am basing this at least with the given context in the game and not like your claims which you pulled out of the air.

Calm your tits. Not gonna discuss anything with you. Like i said, we'll see who's right. Now grab a bucket of ice water and pour over your head

Sure, understandably of course, since you have no basis whatsoever on where you pulled your claims that you drop on every discussion thread on this anime.
I just got tired on seeing your same comment everytime, and after weeks you came up with nothing to back those claims up. So here we are, someone finally pointed that out.
Now that I have vented that out. I will gladly shut up. And see you in the next thread cause I bet you will be out there again posting the same claims but just written differently
Feb 27, 2023 7:19 AM
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Calm your tits. Not gonna discuss anything with you. Like i said, we'll see who's right. Now grab a bucket of ice water and pour over your head

Sure, understandably of course, since you have no basis whatsoever on where you pulled your claims that you drop on every discussion thread on this anime.
I just got tired on seeing your same comment everytime, and after weeks you came up with nothing to back those claims up. So here we are, someone finally pointed that out.
Now that I have vented that out. I will gladly shut up. And see you in the next thread cause I bet you will be out there again posting the same claims but just written differently

Literally in the first post that this is speculation so there is no need for your teenage rage crap. Now take a bucket of iced water and bathe in it
Feb 27, 2023 12:53 PM
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Sure, understandably of course, since you have no basis whatsoever on where you pulled your claims that you drop on every discussion thread on this anime.
I just got tired on seeing your same comment everytime, and after weeks you came up with nothing to back those claims up. So here we are, someone finally pointed that out.
Now that I have vented that out. I will gladly shut up. And see you in the next thread cause I bet you will be out there again posting the same claims but just written differently

Literally in the first post that this is speculation so there is no need for your teenage rage crap. Now take a bucket of iced water and bathe in it

"A red herring is a logical fallacy in which irrelevant information is presented alongside relevant information, distracting attention from that relevant information. This may be done intentionally or unintentionally."
Feb 27, 2023 1:32 PM
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Literally in the first post that this is speculation so there is no need for your teenage rage crap. Now take a bucket of iced water and bathe in it

"A red herring is a logical fallacy in which irrelevant information is presented alongside relevant information, distracting attention from that relevant information. This may be done intentionally or unintentionally."

Now you're just being difficult because you're literally unable to stop. You should have stopped when i tell you that i am doing nothing but speculating, but you just can't
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Stormen said:
Sonson7 said:

"A red herring is a logical fallacy in which irrelevant information is presented alongside relevant information, distracting attention from that relevant information. This may be done intentionally or unintentionally."

Now you're just being difficult because you're literally unable to stop. You should have stopped when i tell you that i am doing nothing but speculating, but you just can't

Chill dude, I already told you I will shut up, and you said "you won't discuss this any further".
And yet you again insist in replying back to my supposed last response to you in this thread.
So chill, take a nice dip in an Icy bath water and drink your milk.
Let's agree with I will shut up and stop being snarky... and you do the same.

See you on the next episode's threads mate.
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Now you're just being difficult because you're literally unable to stop. You should have stopped when i tell you that i am doing nothing but speculating, but you just can't

Chill dude, I already told you I will shut up, and you said "you won't discuss this any further".
And yet you again insist in replying back to my supposed last response to you in this thread.
So chill, take a nice dip in an Icy bath water and drink your milk.
Let's agree with I will shut up and stop being snarky... and you do the same.

See you on the next episode's threads mate.

I called it. It wasn't a proper dual or a proper win, but it was a symbolic win
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Stormen said:
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Chill dude, I already told you I will shut up, and you said "you won't discuss this any further".
And yet you again insist in replying back to my supposed last response to you in this thread.
So chill, take a nice dip in an Icy bath water and drink your milk.
Let's agree with I will shut up and stop being snarky... and you do the same.

See you on the next episode's threads mate.

I called it. It wasn't a proper dual or a proper win, but it was a symbolic win

Bruh, keep the copium you are chugging. She won nothing, she basically asked Rean for help and prioritized "Saving Life".
They are basically fucked to begin with but props to her for choosing what is best for everybody.
Like bro, MC don't need to "win something". They need to "accomplish" something.

Your insistent into basically making everything about "basic winning" is just sad.
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Rean is far from unbeatable in term of actual skill. At this point in the story
Haha... Rean still pathetic in Northern War

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