Just recently watch this...... And WOW...

Bloodbathboy23 said:
I hear a lot of good things about the series, so i try to watch it just recently and...its really horrible as a movie. I get it that its just the first part of a trilogy (and its even a part of wider saga), but i really wonder what kind of person coming to a cinema and thinking it was worth the money. 
Now to make it clear, i have to elaborate that the visual were amazing (9/10), but everything else is kinda mid and even downright bad, there is no characterization, the story were so bad it was insulting, the music sounds good but completely inappropriate for certain scene, and the most annoying thing were those hundred of meaningless still frame that absolutely add nothing to the film. The saddest realization to me was how on freaking hell this movie got an eight+, sitting on top of objectively good film like the wind rises? I know MAL were a bad mark to judge an anime, but its still insulting to know these kinda thing happen, my god.

Bloodbathboy23 said:
if the the wind rises plot were basic, how on earth do you think this movie has a better plot lmao, araragi didn't even have any obligation to help kiss shot and willingly died (kinda) to save her, which obviously a bad guy? And still he did, on what merit? He doesnt even have any real motivation lol. And I'm pretty sure you rip off the wind rises synopsis from some wiki shit, cuz what you written were hilarious.

Bloodbathboy23 said:
"araragi is a very flawed character and making dumb decisions to help people is one of his flaws but it also can be his greatest asset" yup that sums up your definition of a good character, extremely disappointed tbh.

I take denji from csm, his whole dream life were sucks (especially if you stack him up against other shonen mc) but the series make it clear from the beginning that he grew up on a messed up place someone could be, simple things means everything to him, araragi on the other hand what kinda background does he have? I see none.

Bloodbathboy23 said:
appreciated your opinion mate, a lot of people seem to missing my whole point in this thread. I'm not shitting monogatari as a series, i'm just pointing how bad this particular movie is, especially by looking at its scores, this basically an empty shell, visually appealing but have big nothing inside. And i agree about this story needlessly stretch into 3 part movie, it will work better(narratively) as a series or even 1/2 part of long ass movie

Bloodbathboy23 said:
if the the wind rises plot were basic, how on earth do you think this movie has a better plot lmao, araragi didn't even have any obligation to help kiss shot and willingly died (kinda) to save her, which obviously a bad guy? And still he did, on what merit? He doesnt even have any real motivation lol. And I'm pretty sure you rip off the wind rises synopsis from some wiki shit, cuz what you written were hilarious.

El001 said:
eh subjective criticism.

NisiOisiN's writing is outside the norm, Tatsuya Oishi's directing is outside the norm, & Shaft's style itself is outside the norm. And from what I can understand, you're not used to any of this. All the things you find "horrible," "annoying," "insulting," "meaningless" are precisely what make this movie so great, & what people love about it.

Your criticism about the story & characters are your own fault. This came out in 2016, meaning you're supposed to watch Bakemonogatari (2009), Nisemonogatari (2012), Nekomonogatari (2012), Monogatari Series: Second Season (2013), Hanamonogatari (2014), Tsukimonogatari (2014), and Owarimonogatari I (2015) before watching this. You have to at least watch until the end of second season to make any sense or reason out of this movie.

LewisOHH said:
-Started Monogatari on Kizu,
-Only watches the first movie 
-Complains there's no characterisation. 

genius. Animes fans never fail to impress.

El001 said:
eh subjective criticism.

NisiOisiN's writing is outside the norm, Tatsuya Oishi's directing is outside the norm, & Shaft's style itself is outside the norm. And from what I can understand, you're not used to any of this. All the things you find "horrible," "annoying," "insulting," "meaningless" are precisely what make this movie so great, & what people love about it.

Your criticism about the story & characters are your own fault. This came out in 2016, meaning you're supposed to watch Bakemonogatari (2009), Nisemonogatari (2012), Nekomonogatari (2012), Monogatari Series: Second Season (2013), Hanamonogatari (2014), Tsukimonogatari (2014), and Owarimonogatari I (2015) before watching this. You have to at least watch until the end of second season to make any sense or reason out of this movie.

El001 said:

Yeah, that's...the point.

Bloodbathboy23 said:
Just want to reiterate, my whole point is on what merit does this movie deserved to got 8.3+? In my perspective (and i'm pretty sure a lot of movie lovers out there), a movie should be judged as independently as possible, someone could watch the godfather part 1 without watching the second part and they still could enjoy the heck out of it (even if they will miss a grandeur resolution), cause the movie tells a COMPLETE story on its own. Now tell me, judged INDIVIDUALLY, what does Kizu part 1 does better(narrative and character wise, kizu got that visual tho) than a freaking Princess kaguya (the ghibli one) or the wind rises? Rather than telling me to watch the series a dozen times, lets compare the quality trais shall we?
- does it tell a complete story on its own? (Big Nope)
- does it serve the purpose to poke its audience on further movies in the trilogy? (Subjective, For me its not, but For you maybe?)
- does it have a satisfying resolution as an opener of a trilogy? (BiGG Nope)
- does it have a good music? (Yes, it sounds good even though sometimes it didnt fit the mood)
- does it got THAT visual? (YES, it looks amazing)
I didnt intend in the slightest to hating the series, kizumonogatari might be the best trilogy in universe (hopefully so) but no one could convince me that this movie (part one) is such a bad, bad opener to a trilogy. Shaft should just split kizu LN into 2 movies, and imma done with this s**t. by making it into trilogy, they clearly wanted to feed their family down to the freaking 7th generation lmao and sacrificing the break and continuity of what many said to be a good story

Yall be capping hard to give this a 9 or 10. somebody could gave this movie a 7 at best, that is when he/she high as f**k

Usapz said:

Why do you care so much about the movie format?? Did you know some parts like tsukimonogatari were broadcast on tv in traditional episode format and shaft stacked all 4 episode into 1 movie in the BD version. (I think so, bcause this is what you get from Crunchyroll and other streaming services). And I don't think the movie is still in theater, so you're basically complaining for nothing. 

Bloodbathboy23 said:

- Why do you care so much about the movie format?? = I do have the right to care, cause as a watcher, i think it would be better to split it into 2 part
- Did you know some parts like tsukimonogatari were broadcast on tv in traditional episode format and shaft stacked all 4 episode into 1 movie in the BD version. (I think so, bcause this is what you get from Crunchyroll and other streaming services). = So what is your point?
- And I don't think the movie is still in theater, so you're basically complaining for nothing. = You basically said the movie still available on streaming sites lmao, so my criticsm still valid as long as it (said movie) exist.

El001 said:

You complained about the movie's MAL score, & how it's unfairly rated higher than "objectively" better movies. That's why I felt the need to say your criticism is subjective.

> and for goddamn 100th time tell me what make this movie good lmao
The team at Shaft took a forty second flashback from Bakemonogatari & expanded it into a now fan-favorite trilogy. That's impressive in its own right, but they didn't just expand it, they added a wealth of nuance & meaning to a character dynamic that was already established to be nuanced & meaningful. The writing is unsurprisingly amazing, with charming, playful dialogue that'll keep the audience glued to the screen with a smile on their faces. The directing is ridiculously innovative, with impressive CG integration, great sound design, & inspired shot compositing. I could go on, but you clearly hate this movie, & I don't think I can change your mind with anything I say.

One other thing, though. You made the point somewhere that this movie can't stand on its own without the other two--which isn't entirely the case, b/c see above, but I'll leave you with this: In an ideal utopian world, Shaft would've released Kizu as a TV series with the same production quality, and this issue wouldn't exist. But this isn't an ideal utopian world. They had to battle a hellish production quagmire in getting these movies released. Oishi & his team took painstaking efforts to put a quality product in front of their audience. Obviously, the trilogy isn't perfect; the movie format somewhat ruins the flow, but that format allows for far more creative freedom, which the team took full advantage of. Saying it can't stand on its own without watching the other two movies is unreasonable, & a bit silly.

Bloodbathboy23 said:
Just want to reiterate, my whole point is on what merit does this movie deserved to got 8.3+? In my perspective (and i'm pretty sure a lot of movie lovers out there), a movie should be judged as independently as possible, someone could watch the godfather part 1 without watching the second part and they still could enjoy the heck out of it (even if they will miss a grandeur resolution), cause the movie tells a COMPLETE story on its own. Now tell me, judged INDIVIDUALLY, what does Kizu part 1 does better(narrative and character wise, kizu got that visual tho) than a freaking Princess kaguya (the ghibli one) or the wind rises? Rather than telling me to watch the series a dozen times, lets compare the quality trais shall we?
- does it tell a complete story on its own? (Big Nope)
- does it serve the purpose to poke its audience on further movies in the trilogy? (Subjective, For me its not, but For you maybe?)
- does it have a satisfying resolution as an opener of a trilogy? (BiGG Nope)
- does it have a good music? (Yes, it sounds good even though sometimes it didnt fit the mood)
- does it got THAT visual? (YES, it looks amazing)
I didnt intend in the slightest to hating the series, kizumonogatari might be the best trilogy in universe (hopefully so) but no one could convince me otherwise that this movie (part one) is such a bad, bad opener to a trilogy. Shaft should just split kizu LN into 2 movies, and imma done with this s**t. by making it into trilogy, they clearly wanted to feed their family down to the freaking 7th generation lmao and sacrificing the break and continuity of what many said to be a good story. Different alternative could be by merging the rating of all 3 movies, cause every monogatari fans here seems to be fixated that this should be judged as a whole. The rating on this site tend to be misleading to a newcomer who only watch anime for quality entertainment.

Yall be capping hard to give this a 9 or 10. somebody could gave this movie a 7 at best, that is when he/she high as f**k