Hype Thread

NotAnApartment said:
FLOATING ISLAND TIME *that clip with that excited guy who's popular on youtube and goes "this is what i've been wating for" or whatever he says and he's wet or something*

NinoDD said:
There are Animes that would deserver a Season 2 way more than this.
It had no Story, just a vague goal. No real World Building. Fran is not really likable, unless you just like cute cat girls, because she is arrogant and has no character development. Teacher has nothing going for him and the same goes for pretty much all the other Characters either.
So yeah... unless you like cute cat girls, there is nothing in this Anime.

Hashira_1996 said:
No world building!?

Ep4: They literally explained how this world was created and how monsters came to this world. They also explained how the magic system work in ep10 and further went to address how important the naming is in this world. If that’s not a world building then what is this?

No story?

They literally explained Fran goal in ep7, and they foreshadowed something related to the sword. This whole season they were introducing elements to make the viewer understand.

And define arrogance please.

Fran is not by any mean arrogant, she acts her age , yeah she’s stubborn but not arrogant. She treats everyone kindly unless they get to her bad side.

No Character development?

Have you looked at Fran in ep11 where she denies her weakness and wanted to fight only to protect her comrades unlike the first dungeon where she charged head on

NinoDD said:
They talked like 5 minutes about the gods and stuff, which sounded pretty similar to stuff from some other Fantasy anime. The Element system is as basic as it gets, it's pretty much the same as Naruto which is over 2 Decades old. It was the most basic stuff, it's so barebones you can't really call it world Building. 

When it comes to story you hit the nail on the head, when it comes to Fran... it's a goal a very vague goal, get strong enough to evolve, thats it. Other then that there wasn't much going on that you could call a Story, she just went into 2 Dungeons really besides that and fought the one Assassin.

Arrogance is "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."
The fact of the matter is, without Teacher she would be extremely weak. All her Power, Skills, Magic, how to move in combat, she gets all of that from Teacher, she only levels up faster than other because of Teacher. So without him, she couldn't beat any of the Guys she fought, yet she looked down on anyone that is not nice to her and thinks she is better as them. And while she can beat most of them, again, it's just because she has Teacher. = having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities, which aren't even her own abilites.
And she is never learning or improving or selfreflecting on her actions. 
I mean you said " in ep11 where she denies her weakness and wanted to fight only to protect her comrades", but she wasn't "only" fighting to protect the other, her ass was on the line too. And THAT was the only and tiniest amount of character development she had, out of 12 episodes. 

Hashira_1996 said:
Because it has similar world building doesn’t mean it’s not a world building.

NinoDD said:
I didn't say "it has no worldbuilding" I said "it has no realy worldbuilding" and what I mean with that is, that it's super generic and not worth talking about. Which you confirm with " This show isn’t by any means a unique one"
I didn't say the World building is the same as Naruto's, I said the Element system is pretty much the same, which is also the case for many other Anime. So again, pretty generic.
And the LN coming out in 2016 doesn't changes that, because if we would just go based on time, Naruot came out in 1999.
I mean, she is arrogant. She wants to beat everyone that is not nice to her, with powers that are not her own but she considers it her own.
Because in he Amanda fight she said "Teacher, don't assist me. I want to fight with my own strength" but all her Strenght, Magic, Skills, how to move in combat etc. is all stuff she gets from Teacher. So without Teacher she wouldn't a chance against the people she fights.
And arrogance is "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities." and if you think you are better than others then you look down on others. And that's what she does, because it's not her own strength and she still thinks she is better than the others. And there is not a sign that would suggest otherwise. 
Another example, at the end of ep12 when the Spear guy says that the next time he will win against her, she also just says "not a chance" with an annoyed expression. Again, that might be true, but not because she is so good, but because he has Teacher. Otherwise she wouldn't stand a chance, unless in the next Season she actually starts to improve herself without completely relying on Teacher.
I said that the moment in ep11 was the tiniest amount of character development, but it was meant more along the lines of "if you want to consider anything she does Character Development, then that was the only moment". But the truth of the matter is, it's not really character development. It has about life and death, her saying "i have to keep fighting if I don't want to die" is not really character development. You could only consider that character development if she didn't care before, if she lives or dies. And then she got to the moment where she realizes that she wants to live... which obviously wasn't the case. Like in One Piece with Robin, that was character development in a live or death situation.

Hashira_1996 said:
Again, you speaking like if the show ended and wrapped up and what it did was only an adaptation of volume 1 and few chapters of volume 2.

Hashira_1996 said:
In the end she’s experiencing new things and learn from it

Hashira_1996 said:
Biggest prove when she asked Amanda to explain the magic system and combat system.

Hashira_1996 said:
Fran told shishou she want to see how she fares against Amanda without his help. Again this is someone who wants to grow.

Hashira_1996 said:
Her goal is respectful to me because she wants to give black cats tribe hope that they can do it if she did, so it’s not about her.

Hashira_1996 said:
Generic is when the writer is out of ideas and wanted to follow the trend without making any effort.

NinoDD said:
You try so hard to justify this Anime, without giving any valid points. It's really funny.
No, I am talking from a point of here and now, and that is: This is Season 1, that is supposed to hook you, and all we get is super generic stuff. All the Anime really has to offer is Fran, and that is only a hook if you like cute cat girls. 
She experienced new things, sure, but where are the clear example of "here she actually learned something"? She never reflected on her actions. After she has done with the Demon fight, did she every think back and thought how to improve or anything? If anything it's Teacher that thinks about that stuff, but not that much, because it's all in the moment. Afterwards "it's out of sight, out of mind".
"Biggest prove" for her learning is that she ask about Magic and Combat stuff? If that is the biggest prove of her "learning" then good night. Because I hate to break it to you, but asking for stuff is not learning. That was just curiosity of hers. We can only know if she learned something from it, if she can apply that information in a proper way. Which I doubt, because Frans mind is not "ok, I got all the information about magic now, lets see how I can improve with that information" her first reaction afterwards was "Teacher" "What is it Fran?" "Buzz Buzz", because she think Thunder Magic sounds cool.
Again, Fran saying she doesn't want Teachers help, just makes no sense. Because all her abilities to fight come from Teacher. So just by using him, he is already helping her. If she wants to see how she fares by herself, then she shouldn't use his abilities, but that out come is obvious. And I mean, it shows what happens if you only relies on Teacher, she lost him in the Dungeon and can't do anything. That's when Character Development "could" kick in, and she maybe realizes "Ok, I have to get better myself and can't just rely on Teacher" but we never get to that point because that's pretty much when the Season ends. But do I think that Season 2 will have that? probably not, I would be surprised if it did. She probably just keeps relying on Teachers abilities, and think, that it's her own.
Yeah, which is a nobel goal... but also very flawed because of her having Teacher and purely relying in him so far "Here People of the Black Cat Tribe, all you need is an Overpowered Sword that carries your, then you can evolve too. Just like me."
False, generic has nothing to do with being "out of ideas". Generic means that it's stuff that has been done before, and not only has it been done before but has been done before many many times.
Again.
The stuff with the Gods, has been done before, many times. And S1 isn't doing anything to differentiate this from others really, because they barely touch on it.
The Magic/Element System, has been done before, many times. 
The only thing that isn't generic is her goal. Normally in most Isekais your Goal is to fight the Demon Lord or some other Evil. But is it a super interesting goal? Not really, because we don't know what it will  entail. It's basically, lets just go around and do random stuff and at some point she will Evolve.

But yeah, I guess I am done here, was fun. But you're clearly just saying "no, what you're saying isn't true", then some of your subjective opinions (many are pretty false), and the few concrete examples are not very good. So yeah, have a good day. Merry Christmas

NinoDD said:
There are Animes that would deserver a Season 2 way more than this.
It had no Story, just a vague goal. No real World Building. Fran is not really likable, unless you just like cute cat girls, because she is arrogant and has no character development. Teacher has nothing going for him and the same goes for pretty much all the other Characters either.
So yeah... unless you like cute cat girls, there is nothing in this Anime.

NinoDD said:

I didn't say the World building is the same as Naruto's, I said the Element system is pretty much the same, which is also the case for many other Anime. So again, pretty generic.
And the LN coming out in 2016 doesn't changes that, because if we would just go based on time, Naruot came out in 1999.

I mean, she is arrogant. She wants to beat everyone that is not nice to her, with powers that are not her own but she considers it her own.
Because in he Amanda fight she said "Teacher, don't assist me. I want to fight with my own strength" but all her Strenght, Magic, Skills, how to move in combat etc. is all stuff she gets from Teacher. So without Teacher she wouldn't a chance against the people she fights.
And arrogance is "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities." and if you think you are better than others then you look down on others. And that's what she does, because it's not her own strength and she still thinks she is better than the others. And there is not a sign that would suggest otherwise. 
Another example, at the end of ep12 when the Spear guy says that the next time he will win against her, she also just says "not a chance" with an annoyed expression. Again, that might be true, but not because she is so good, but because he has Teacher. Otherwise she wouldn't stand a chance, unless in the next Season she actually starts to improve herself without completely relying on Teacher.

I said that the moment in ep11 was the tiniest amount of character development, but it was meant more along the lines of "if you want to consider anything she does Character Development, then that was the only moment". But the truth of the matter is, it's not really character development. It has about life and death, her saying "i have to keep fighting if I don't want to die" is not really character development. You could only consider that character development if she didn't care before, if she lives or dies. And then she got to the moment where she realizes that she wants to live... which obviously wasn't the case. Like in One Piece with Robin, that was character development in a live or death situation.