In the Land of Leadale (light novel)
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ImmortalZero said: this is a largely anime only inconsistencies cayna doesn't actually care about killing, her actions are guided largely by pragmatism, context or laziness, subduing is rife with complications so no it isn't the best thing to do. Cayne is such an inconsistent character imo. She has the weirdest mood swings and has such inconsistent thinking. > Goes on don't kill NPCs since they're alive and have feelings yadayada killing is bad > Goes on and murders the people infront of her when she's definitely strong enough to subdue them instead > Goes on saying the "world is real" and should be treated as such but has no qualms on killing a kid instead of being judged by the law like the "real world" would.  Don't forget they are thrives and murderers, they are fair game. Yes and the real world has consequences for murder and banditry, helspur is actually weird cause they are using modern morals, in a feudal fantasy world, in which it's normal to kill bandits, it's out of place. "The real world" isn't modern day earth. And need I remind you that kid likely gleefully murdered people and is too strong for even the strongest NPC's to handle, that punishment collar was an ass pull if I have ever seen one. The author wrote him/herself into a corner and didn't want to commit to Cayna's pragmatic character. Also the he's a kid who didn't know loses all strength as an argument when he attempted to kill cayna even after she told him it wasn't a game. |
neokivaFeb 11, 2022 12:11 AM
phantomfandom said: Look can be deceiving. At first Cayna was portrayed as poor disabled girl with kindheart, turns out she's a tyranny that doesn't afraid to kill a kid. It should use this to promote because many people love to see a real evil MC, but I'm not one of those people. She is the things you said though - though I suppose disabled doesnt fit the bill she was a on a full LSS and basically could only use games and tech of the like to do anything. She is kind to people, the anime for some reason cut the bits of her improving that entire starting town (She upgraded all the wells so someone as little as a child could easy pump tons of water without any harm to their hands) So the person before* getting stuck in the game was kid- they are now a bandit, a murderer and and a certain attempted murderer. In that world they are also a demon with an extremely strong level. She is a walking war so he couldn't harm her .. but he could with one flick from his pink kill her grand daughter who (bravely I admit) foolishly attempted to brandish - and had an arrow fired at her. an evil Tyrant ? No. Someone who was trying to end a direct threat to most likely all kingdoms - yes. Shes a Pragmatist and a Realist. She is as Gentle as she is Forceful. She also unlike that person, understands the Value of life having herself taken it and protected it. She still feels that weight. Hell say what you want but shes even a Decent parent and grand parent to her likewise eccentric family. (If Maimai found out her daughter threatend to draw her sword on her mother .. your MC whom you claim as evil would be the only thing that would stop her from Maimais full wraith [and Cayna would make sure nothing happened] (and dont think thats a joke either ) Tuliharja said: After this episode it's obvious Cayna is only looking for players that were her friends. She doesn't give a flying rat's butt to other players. It's actually kind of understandable as even in real life there are people who only care about their family and friends. They don't really care about strangers, because they're just strangers. Why care about someone you don't know? And in Cayna's case, that random stranger was about to kill one of her family members/people dear to her/she feels connected to. Not all people can forgive such a thing or have a strong sense of justice -like her granddaughter. It actually takes a lot of even in real life to forgive murderers -especially if they kill someone you care about/are close to you. But I think the reason why people are so upset about this 'twist' (me including) is that the anime appeared as this season's wholesome one. Everything, starting from animation technique to op and ed is described as cute, wholesome anime that can make you forget for a moment real life...but then it pulls a twist like this, reminding you life isn't always a bed of roses. While adding twists in anime is fine, I feel like it's done VERY poorly in this... the General* LN genres " Action Adventure Comedy Fantasy Slice of Life " You;'re getting a good dose of whats in those tags especially the Action Adventure and Fantasy with this bit. Also 'Deceptions of Cruelty' has been tagged as well. - The series has plenty of Wholesome - some drama - some issues that need dealt with - some adventuring and exploring - searching - you name it. I think more the issue is the series is slightly different than people think. Its not the Witch who maxed her level offing slimes (great series btw) but they are very different series. |
sirwenceFeb 11, 2022 10:19 AM
| I understand that there are people who just want to watch something fluffy SOL and they get surprised by this darker tone. I think this is the reason why this series gets so much hate. I mean as LN it is fairly popular if you check the rankings. For me this anime resemble old's days fantasy adventure anime with female lead. Something like Like Scrapped Princess or The Twelve Kingdoms. |
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sirwence said: Tuliharja said: After this episode it's obvious Cayna is only looking for players that were her friends. She doesn't give a flying rat's butt to other players. It's actually kind of understandable as even in real life there are people who only care about their family and friends. They don't really care about strangers, because they're just strangers. Why care about someone you don't know? And in Cayna's case, that random stranger was about to kill one of her family members/people dear to her/she feels connected to. Not all people can forgive such a thing or have a strong sense of justice -like her granddaughter. It actually takes a lot of even in real life to forgive murderers -especially if they kill someone you care about/are close to you. But I think the reason why people are so upset about this 'twist' (me including) is that the anime appeared as this season's wholesome one. Everything, starting from animation technique to op and ed is described as cute, wholesome anime that can make you forget for a moment real life...but then it pulls a twist like this, reminding you life isn't always a bed of roses. While adding twists in anime is fine, I feel like it's done VERY poorly in this... the General* LN genres " Action Adventure Comedy Fantasy Slice of Life " You;'re getting a good dose of whats in those tags especially the Action Adventure and Fantasy with this bit. Also 'Deceptions of Cruelty' has been tagged as well. - The series has plenty of Wholesome - some drama - some issues that need dealt with - some adventuring and exploring - searching - you name it. I think more the issue is the series is slightly different than people think. Its not the Witch who maxed her level offing slimes (great series btw) but they are very different series. I haven't read the LN, so it's obvious I wouldn't know what tags was used in it, but in the anime they used "Adventure, Comedy, Fantasy". I think they should had added that additional tag of 'deception of cruelty' as the anime series' marketing feels a bit lacking. Especially, when the anime at first seemed like your wholesome Witch who maxed her level offing slimes or Kuma kuma kuma bear. Though, there was hints the anime wouldn't fully just be like that, especially Cayna's burst of outrages... |
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Serafos said: RIP rock golems. They were not match for Cayna. I have to say I love her reactions. Those surprised faces were adorable in this particular episode. That fairy and her matching body movements and facial expressions with Cayna were so cute. :D Now I really want to know more about her. She's a mysterious character. Looking forward to the next episode! :) I'm willing to bet that fairy is what cayna looks like iRL |
| Why is Cayna always like that? Today she was so cruel that even her granddaughter had to stop her. -------------------- Leaving that aside, it's weird. First... wasn't Leadale as a game over? Why suddenly are there other players? Second, why do they feel real pain? Are people actually trapped in a world like the game? It's so weird and interesting that it makes me want to ignore the disturbing fact that Cayna seems to think something like that and still was about to murder a kid. The demon seems to think he's a player and still can't log out. I'd get it for Cayna's case, but why can't he log out? Subduing is rife with complications when you're a mortal with mortal-like abilities. Someone like a soldier. When you're something like the strongest being in the world... subduing has no complications at all. They are NOT fair game. Killing a thief/murdered in combat is fair game if you're a mortal. Killing someone who cannot defend anymore is not fair game. Doing so just makes you a murdered. It's even worse when they're kids or when you have so much power. neokiva said: Actually even in the game morals seem to be way better than Cayna's "modern morals". That shocks me. That's the reason people are scared of her in such a way that when they can't deny they see her as some kind of a murderer they just deflect the question (Nice ice sculpture). That's the reason her granddaughter stops her.Yes and the real world has consequences for murder and banditry, helspur is actually weird cause they are using modern morals, in a feudal fantasy world, in which it's normal to kill bandits, it's out of place. neokiva said: And need I remind you that kid likely gleefully murdered people and is too strong for even the strongest NPC's to handle, that punishment collar was an ass pull if I have ever seen one. Well, yeah, but actually no. Even without the punishment collar she's so powerful, and a mage too, that there are 12312421321 other ways she could weaken him. Placing a curse or seal on him, for example. There are other ways but it could be disturbing to talk about them so I won't. neokiva said: The author wrote him/herself into a corner and didn't want to commit to Cayna's pragmatic character. Seems so. neokiva said: Also the he's a kid who didn't know loses all strength as an argument when he attempted to kill cayna even after she told him it wasn't a game. It does not. The only moment he was convinced it was not a game (I myself am not convinced of it yet) was when he felt real pain. At that point he was not attacking anymore. sirwence said: Someone who was trying to end a direct threat to most likely all kingdoms - yes. At this point she's the greater threat to any kingdom trying to develop beyond feudalism. And she having the power to remove the threat WITHOUT killing him... well, makes it dumb to do so. Also, giving the demon the information of there being someone who can remove the collar while warning her granddaughter of that risk... well... what a way to be dumb. |
LeviathanTheEspFeb 11, 2022 2:56 PM
LeviathanTheEsp said: Why is Cayna always like that? Today she was so cruel that even her granddaughter had to stop her. -------------------- neokiva said: Actually even in the game morals seem to be way better than Cayna's "modern morals". That shocks me. That's the reason people are scared of her in such a way that when they can't deny they see her as some kind of a murderer they just deflect the question (Nice ice sculpture). That's the reason her granddaughter stops her.Yes and the real world has consequences for murder and banditry, helspur is actually weird cause they are using modern morals, in a feudal fantasy world, in which it's normal to kill bandits, it's out of place. But Cayna is murderer. She is player killer and top one after all. The world sees her that way too. Also her actions here doesn't help her image at all. |
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Yeah, she is indeed. P.S. It was also funny when she said "He's a child! Who knows what he'll try to do?" Looks like Cayna fears and hates children too. That explains why she treats them that badly. |
LeviathanTheEsp said: sirwence said: Someone who was trying to end a direct threat to most likely all kingdoms - yes. At this point she's the greater threat to any kingdom trying to develop beyond feudalism. And she having the power to remove the threat WITHOUT killing him... well, makes it dumb to do so. Also, giving the demon the information of there being someone who can remove the collar while warning her granddaughter of that risk... well... what a way to be dumb. While sadly like most LN adaption this is not adapted the best (It has as per usual for LN adaptions Cut things and changed Chronological ordering) .. No.. Im fairly certain; he who has attacked - stolen from - killed and than attempted to (would have done so without MC intervention) destroyed a standing military outpost with next to no effort (and would continue doing so) is far more a threat. Compared to someone who wants to live as quiet an existence away from formal imperial court gatherings and politics as possible while knowing she has to intervene at times. And thus far her biggest real intervention was helping to increase the wells to Mechanical turning wells so kids like Lytt can get water from them without hurting their hands. RavenWolf1 said: LeviathanTheEsp said: Why is Cayna always like that? Today she was so cruel that even her granddaughter had to stop her. -------------------- Actually even in the game morals seem to be way better than Cayna's "modern morals". That shocks me. That's the reason people are scared of her in such a way that when they can't deny they see her as some kind of a murderer they just deflect the question (Nice ice sculpture). That's the reason her granddaughter stops her. But Cayna is murderer. She is player killer and top one after all. The world sees her that way too. Also her actions here doesn't help her image at all. No she isn't the only killing she has done since the game has gone 'real life' is defensive. IE removing a bandit threat directly attacking a convey she is protecting. As well as the one she was removing - people seem to forget he getting rid of said bandits was part of the discussion with her grandson. LeviathanTheEsp said: Why is Cayna always like that? Today she was so cruel that even her granddaughter had to stop her. -------------------- She was.. so cruel someone who couldn't stop her.. stopped her? Or what really happened in the world they are in; her granddaughter is considered a paragon amoung knights both devoted and with a very moralist sense of justice. Her Grandmother simply doesn't wish to fight her and arguing the point would get no where. She does reduces his power and gives her clear instructions for her and everyone else's safety since should he get out he will kill them. Note he would do so. |
sirwenceFeb 11, 2022 7:13 PM
sirwence said: He ... is far more a threat. Not really. A child's mind is easy to change, and you gotta see the situation. I've destroyed Megaton in Fallout 3. But if I got stuck in a real life version of the game and was made aware of it after the fact, I would definitely stop, no matter if someone had the power to stop me or not. And I'm an adult. A kid's mind changes way easier. The thing is: You can take things lightly, murder characters, throw your morality through the window and do whatever you want precisely because it IS a game. Once it stops being a game, well, you'll stop. sirwence said: And who, when she does intervene, does it in such an inhumane way that it's funny how the world only reacts badly at times.Compared to someone who wants to live as quiet an existence away from formal imperial court gatherings and politics as possible while knowing she has to intervene at times. And thus far her biggest real intervention was helping to increase the wells to Mechanical turning wells so kids like Lytt can get water from them without hurting their hands. sirwence said: Nope.No she isn't the only killing she has done since the game has gone 'real life' is defensive. But the moment she decided to intervene the bandit stopped being a threat. That's the thing about creating such an OP character. If you give them the power to solve any issue, you are (maybe unconsciously) giving them the power to solve the issue of killing your foes. The bandit had a magic item that made him more of a threat than he'd ever be without it, yet he wasn't any threat to her. Then, when he was completely speechless about that fact, she decided to kill him, and did so, when she could have stopped him in literally any other way. That's in no way defense. But even if it were, that wouldn't in any way be "legitimate defense". Legitimate defense consists on the use of reasonable force (deadly if necessary) to protect yourself or others. The amount of force she used was not reasonable at all. You cannot drop a bomb on someone who just slapped you. That's not how defense works. Yep. You can be cruel and still be stopped by words, or by being shown an undesired scenario. If she was stopped it was not because she was not cruel. It was because she didn't want to fight her granddaughter. Both things can happen. sirwence said: Not necessarily. Should he get out he would have the power to kill them. Would he? That you cannot know. Kids minds change pretty easily.should he get out he will kill them. Note he would do so. |
LeviathanTheEsp said: sirwence said: He ... is far more a threat. Not really. A child's mind is easy to change, and you gotta see the situation. I've destroyed Megaton in Fallout 3. But if I got stuck in a real life version of the game and was made aware of it after the fact, I would definitely stop, no matter if someone had the power to stop me or not. And I'm an adult. A kid's mind changes way easier. The thing is: You can take things lightly, murder characters, throw your morality through the window and do whatever you want precisely because it IS a game. Once it stops being a game, well, you'll stop. sirwence said: And who, when she does intervene, does it in such an inhumane way that it's funny how the world only reacts badly at times.Compared to someone who wants to live as quiet an existence away from formal imperial court gatherings and politics as possible while knowing she has to intervene at times. And thus far her biggest real intervention was helping to increase the wells to Mechanical turning wells so kids like Lytt can get water from them without hurting their hands. sirwence said: Nope.No she isn't the only killing she has done since the game has gone 'real life' is defensive. But the moment she decided to intervene the bandit stopped being a threat. That's the thing about creating such an OP character. If you give them the power to solve any issue, you are (maybe unconsciously) giving them the power to solve the issue of killing your foes. The bandit had a magic item that made him more of a threat than he'd ever be without it, yet he wasn't any threat to her. Then, when he was completely speechless about that fact, she decided to kill him, and did so, when she could have stopped him in literally any other way. That's in no way defense. But even if it were, that wouldn't in any way be "legitimate defense". Legitimate defense consists on the use of reasonable force (deadly if necessary) to protect yourself or others. The amount of force she used was not reasonable at all. You cannot drop a bomb on someone who just slapped you. That's not how defense works. Yep. You can be cruel and still be stopped by words, or by being shown an undesired scenario. If she was stopped it was not because she was not cruel. It was because she didn't want to fight her granddaughter. Both things can happen. sirwence said: Not necessarily. Should he get out he would have the power to kill them. Would he? That you cannot know. Kids minds change pretty easily.should he get out he will kill them. Note he would do so. I eagerly await your long list of people she murdered- this 'kid' is a known bandit whos been killing looting stealing and going as far as directly attacking those who are protecting trade routes (military base and outposts ) If you attempt to say a bandit using magic early on is murder - to quote you "Nope". Because the line was quite clearly drawn between simply a game and now- since its not a game anymore no log outs no resets/respawns. As far as 'reacting badly at times' sheesh youd think everyone hates her- those who dont know her moniker from PVP have no fear of her. Unlike the 'maybe child' you defend- the actual child Lytt she has been nothing but kind to - going as far to literally hand mechanize all the wells in the village so Lytt and other kids can access water without hurting their hands. (Note her kids are as if not more eccentric than she is sometimes) Also yes I know the anime cut that scene and several others but in this case it bares noting it took place before she left for the capital to see her kids. Also .. Sekai Saikou has the same issue and more than enough 'killing'.. you will always have the problem of OP. It's usually in how people use it. Unlike say this 'kid' we don't know hes a kid.. were basing it off trusting* what a person is saying.. after being confronted with the reality of doing several very bad things; they in there defense for mercy "IM A KID DONT HURT ME" meh Our MC here isn't going around conquering if she was as 'kind' as the 'kid' and the Tyrant some claim her to be shed already rule the world (or be very close to it) What do we have.. searching for towers getting their guardians working again trying to chill with family and going on adventures usually to explore or accomplish a goal sometimes to help others~ [ If we use reality for a moment say a 15 year old was a bandit (certainly happened ) killed and stole etc - what happens to them? Usually they'd be put to the blade .. if they were caught? Hung or be headed. The out come is the same. ] I really do think however you should consider dropping the series and move on to other Isekais/series which you might enjoy (I certainly enjoy several as well) But this series doesn't seem to be your vibe..I would never claim its anime is anywhere near as good as its novels. (they usually arent imho) |
sirwenceFeb 12, 2022 6:21 AM
Harucchan said: Zefyris said: so what would you do instead then? Chain the kid for a few centuries making sure he cannot move an arm or feet? leave him be hoping that he doesn't throw a tantrum as a kid and start wiping out the population of that country, including her own family member? That "poor kid" has probably killed a hundred or more innocents by now. He was scared of Keina, but what would he do the moment he knows she's no longer around? Look, as I said, there's no good way out of it: it's just some insane situation created by the author. But, ok, let's think in a different way: killing the kid is the right way to go then? I mean, I'm just shocked there are people who can blatantly say this shit. Anyhoo, if you want to know a more mature way to deal with the situation that would be Cayna handling him and teaching him for the time being as the adult amongst them. She could collar him and carry him around with her. Of course, even if the kid didn't know what he was doing, he did something dreadful, so he should do some form of penitence (and, apparently, he has a long life to do so); eventually, he'd mature into an adult and would have to carry what he did in the past until the day he died. But, then... Do I really need to argue that killing kids is wrong? I mean, there's a reason law differentiates between adults and children, after all, they don't have their brains fully developed yet - their decision making is faulty. So your proposition is for Keina to use the next 10 years of her life educating that child, probably not coming to that village either as he would be dangerous to let around (or are you fine with the risk of him killing in half a second peoples from the inn like that little girl, her sister and their mom? even with the collar he's still level 90 ish, that's more than enough to kill easily any normal citizen with no effort) just travelling with him ? Would YOU even follow your own advice ? Chaining yourself to a total stranger to educate him for ten years, leaving behind you everything you knew, just for the sake of "not killing" someone who has murdered a ton of peoples? But even if you say yes, that boy is a criminal, wanted, with bounty on his head. How do you deal with that? You'll be outlawed if you don't bring him to justice, and you'll have to deal with bounty hunters/adventurers coming after him even if yo udo, as he has a ton of money on his head, as we saw later. It's just ridiculous how folks can be riddled and scandalized by the choice other took, yet they don't have any decent proposition to replace the choice these peoples took. So yes, you need to "argue" that killing kids is wrong, when these kids have already murdered dozen and dozen of innocents, and have super powers that would allow them to kill nigh everyone in a city if they ever threw a tantrum. The reason killing kids is wrong in our word half comes from the fact that they're a target for protection. Meanwhile, it's almost everyone else that are targets for protection when it comes to him. Collins89 said: Zefyris said: so what would you do instead then? Chain the kid for a few centuries making sure he cannot move an arm or feet? leave him be hoping that he doesn't throw a tantrum as a kid and start wiping out the population of that country, including her own family member? That "poor kid" has probably killed a hundred or more innocents by now. He was scared of Keina, but what would he do the moment he knows she's no longer around? that kid doesn't even realize he's no longer simply playing the game. So he's got literally no clue about what's going on, even less than Keina. That means he obviously has no recollection of dying, or anything out of the ordinary happening. How could he answer a question about his circumstances for landing into another world if he didn't even have a clue for probably months or years that he was no longer simply in a game? Dude your getting way to profound about this dumb show. Besides the kid seemed to know who Cayna was as a major player so she could have asked other simple questions like. Have you seen other players here. Have you found any other towers. How long have you been playing the game. What was you life like before the game. What were you doing before you logged in. Soooooo many other questions. This show is dumb dude! Also everyone debating the should she kill the kid or was she right to think that way. Just stop this show is idiotic and definitely not thinking to hard about the shit they are throwing into this show. Def not thinking about some morality philosophical conundrum....while looking like a 2003 Sunday morning anime, where "you say thing I don't like me shoot big magic grrr" is the main girls thought patter. Anyone not dumb would notice almost immediately that something happened when they were transported into the game, but that kid has been at the very least on killing spree for months. He's either really dumb and you'll get nothing out of him, or he was in denial, and you'll still get nothing out of him. If there are more than one player then the more the reason to get info from proper sources, rather than from him that didn't get a clue. The boy probably didn't even realize 200 years had passed, and that countries were merged into 3. I don't see why debating on should kill or not is dumb. The situation itself could be written in any single story really, so this one being dumb or not isn't even relevant here? |
ZefyrisFeb 12, 2022 11:18 AM
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Zefyris said: So your proposition is for Keina to use the next 10 years of her life educating that child, probably not coming to that village either as he would be dangerous to let around (or are you fine with the risk of him killing in half a second peoples from the inn like that little girl, her sister and their mom? even with the collar he's still level 90 ish, that's more than enough to kill easily any normal citizen with no effort) just travelling with him ? Would YOU even follow your own advice ? Chaining yourself to a total stranger to educate him for ten years, leaving behind you everything you knew, just for the sake of "not killing" someone who has murdered a ton of peoples? But even if you say yes, that boy is a criminal, wanted, with bounty on his head. How do you deal with that? You'll be outlawed if you don't bring him to justice, and you'll have to deal with bounty hunters/adventurers coming after him even if yo udo, as he has a ton of money on his head, as we saw later. It's just ridiculous how folks can be riddled and scandalized by the choice other took, yet they don't have any decent proposition to replace the choice these peoples took. So yes, you need to "argue" that killing kids is wrong, when these kids have already murdered dozen and dozen of innocents, and have super powers that would allow them to kill nigh everyone in a city if they ever threw a tantrum. The reason killing kids is wrong in our word half comes from the fact that they're a target for protection. Meanwhile, it's almost everyone else that are targets for protection when it comes to him. Man, I won't lose my time trying to argue with some idiot who thinks that killing kids is ok. I'll just say this: your reasoning is shit hahahaha. Cayna, being the most powerful player, could easily manage that kid; besides, that collar takes 90% of his power, which would turn a 500 level player into a 50 level player - that's basic math. And the reason kids are "targets for protection" is because their reasoning is not fully developed yet, hence they cannot be treated the same way as adults are and it cannot be expected from children the same kind of maturity in decision making as it would from adults. If you want to turn this into a moral debate, then, yes, she'd have to be responsible for him as she was willing to kill him - that's what an adult should do. |
HarucchanFeb 12, 2022 12:50 PM
Harucchan said: Zefyris said: So your proposition is for Keina to use the next 10 years of her life educating that child, probably not coming to that village either as he would be dangerous to let around (or are you fine with the risk of him killing in half a second peoples from the inn like that little girl, her sister and their mom? even with the collar he's still level 90 ish, that's more than enough to kill easily any normal citizen with no effort) just travelling with him ? Would YOU even follow your own advice ? Chaining yourself to a total stranger to educate him for ten years, leaving behind you everything you knew, just for the sake of "not killing" someone who has murdered a ton of peoples? But even if you say yes, that boy is a criminal, wanted, with bounty on his head. How do you deal with that? You'll be outlawed if you don't bring him to justice, and you'll have to deal with bounty hunters/adventurers coming after him even if yo udo, as he has a ton of money on his head, as we saw later. It's just ridiculous how folks can be riddled and scandalized by the choice other took, yet they don't have any decent proposition to replace the choice these peoples took. So yes, you need to "argue" that killing kids is wrong, when these kids have already murdered dozen and dozen of innocents, and have super powers that would allow them to kill nigh everyone in a city if they ever threw a tantrum. The reason killing kids is wrong in our word half comes from the fact that they're a target for protection. Meanwhile, it's almost everyone else that are targets for protection when it comes to him. Man, I won't lose my time trying to argue with some idiot who thinks that killing kids is ok. I'll just say this: your reasoning is shit hahahaha. Cayna, being the most powerful player, could easily manage that kid; besides, that collar takes 90% of his power, which would turn a 500 level player into a 50 level player - that's basic math. And the reason kids are "targets for protection" is because their reasoning is not fully developed yet, hence they cannot be treated the same way as adults are and it cannot be expected from children the same kind of maturity in decision making as it would from adults. If you want to turn this into a moral debate, then, yes, she'd have to be responsible for him as she was willing to kill him - that's what an adult should do. right, it was 90%, I was remembering it at 80%. But regardless, he can still cut the head of any villager in an instant, and he's wanted. By a country that would execute him if you give him toi them (which she did). She can easily manage him when she's around, but are you suggesting that she waste 10 years of her life keeping him on a leash, never having him out of view ? 'being the msot powerful player" this isn't a game anymore. This is her life. You're suggesting that a teenager who spent half her life without being able to move,on an hospital bed, should, as soon as she got her freedom of movement back, spend her next 10 years educating a kid that is probably only a few years younger than her and probably has been free to move around more years than her? "that's what an adult should do" No it isn't. You wouldn't do it and you know that. And she isn't even an adult anyway. You would leave him, at best, to be judged. And then, he would either kill everyone including your grandchildren and great grand children because you didn't restrict him, or they'll probably kill him because you restricted him and tied him up like Keina did. In the end, you would just let someone else kill him, or regret your whole life that you didn't restrict him when he'd escape and your granddaughter would try to stop him. Her power is a responsibility. She's the only one that can put a stop to him for sure. But it's not her responsibility to gather every single moron who think killing is fine, them being child or not, and waster her own life watching over them. "Running away from responsibility" is not what adults do. And that's what you would definitely do here, as you would not live your next 10 years with that kid. |
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| If I were Cayna I would too kill him. I mean what would I do with that kid if I didn't kill him? Drag him around with me everywhere? What the heck? Why would I want to do something like that? For my eyes he is no different than some random monster in forest. I'm not going to start to preach like some Jesus to every evil person I would come around. It is not my job adopt random kids and set them right nor is it my responsibility either. It is their responsibility when they started to do wrong things (and parents). Not knowing or just following orders are not excuse for breaking law. The Nuremberg trials made that perfectly clear. There is one certain fundamental rule in life. When you raise your weapon against others you have to be prepared to pay the ultimate price. It doesn't matter if it is self-defense nor doesn't matter if you are man, woman or child. That moment is moment which defines that you are willing to fight for you life to the death. It doesn't matter if you surrender later on. He basically forfeit his life the moment he attacked first person in that world. Sure when her granddaughter arrived demanding of handing him for them I probably would do that just like Cayna did. Why? Because I wouldn't want to have that conflict with that granddaughter. She was going to fight for against Cayna. Some extend I understand that granddaughter. She was law enforcer and they wanted criminals to be taken trial and executed. Also granddaughter did see Cayna as monster. She knew that Cayna has killed brutally and coldly thousands of people in past. That happened in game but what happened in game wasn't game for NPCs. I'm just thinking that if Cayna weren't so powerful and if time had not passed so much then kingdom or kingdoms might have even hunted Cayna down because murderer like she was. She was very lucky to be born in that world later on and as so powerful. I think people who say that she should have taken him with her and start educate him are people who are used to watch anime where MC collects all kinds of harems around him. But reality is you can't collect every person and you can't help every person. If you people are so altruistic why don't you adopt every poor person you come across when you walk around your city? By your definition Cayna should have spared that fireball throwing bandit too and educated him. Whole debate about that demon was child is irrelevant. Person being child doesn't make situation much different here. It is only your inner-self which screams for you that you must protect the child because our genes are programmed us to do so. |
RavenWolf1Feb 12, 2022 2:26 PM
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| Also there is another reason not to let him alive. He is very dangerous person and he is currently being held in some maximum security dungeon. Fine and all but do you really think person like that is ever going to be secured 100%? No, because his being so high profile there in society bounds to be lots of factions who are going to use him to furthers their agendas. For example be some powerful faction who opposite current king. What better way for them would be to rescue him and make him to do their bidding. No one could opposite that faction then. He is super weapon which cannot be secured because there are so many who would want to use him. BTW. same apply for Cayna too. Everyone would try to use her and they would have very very good tools to do that too. She have family. Just threaten them and make her do what they demand or even simply manipulate her. She is after all teen girl. That should be easy for all kinds of professional organizations. Imagine how easy would that demon child to be manipulated to do whatever someone wanted to. Do you really think that some fantasy world FBI, CIA or FSB wouldn't have tools to manipulate or force people like that demon child and Cayna to do their bidding? Either way, I think this anime is too shallow for complex stuff like that but still... Anyway, I'll bet that we will see that demon child again later on and he properly going to get beaten up by Cayna again. |
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| BTW, real weird that the bandit boss replies to Cayna like it's natural when talking to Cayna about "game"... How was the bandit boss not surprised at another "player" but instead went on and keeps on talking about "it's just a game" like normal... How does he immediately recognize Cayna as a "player" instead of NPC? (but then he goes on to act surprised later... WTF?) So this confirms there are other "players" that also got Isekai'd. (and the bandit boss is "just a kid" ?... so this means the bandit boss also "only just arrived" to this Leadale world like Cayna? aka only a few month ago...) ___ ___ ___ Also, the Skeleton is a Queen, lol. A cliche high-class attitude one too. And then "Fairy Get"... LUL (so cute, I want one too, especially when it's mostly mute, so it doesn't go crazy yelling over and over like a certain fairy...) Tho... looks like the "fairy" reacts to Cayna's mood and copies her attitude and expressions... OH GOD... Meanwhile Mai-Mai about to get the bandit leader treatment as punishment... RIP Mai-Mai. |
amlgFeb 12, 2022 5:27 PM
| Nothing Written Here But Us Anime Bunnies *boing boing boing* |
| I was rather surprised tat she'd rather kill another player no matter the age. She's tyrannical. Apparently, she used he game to take out her frustrations on being paralyzed. She was obviously emotionally stunted. Is she a teen? I thought she would jump at the chance to at least chat with another player. |
Zefyris said: right, it was 90%, I was remembering it at 80%. But regardless, he can still cut the head of any villager in an instant, and he's wanted. By a country that would execute him if you give him toi them (which she did). She can easily manage him when she's around, but are you suggesting that she waste 10 years of her life keeping him on a leash, never having him out of view ? 'being the msot powerful player" this isn't a game anymore. This is her life. You're suggesting that a teenager who spent half her life without being able to move,on an hospital bed, should, as soon as she got her freedom of movement back, spend her next 10 years educating a kid that is probably only a few years younger than her and probably has been free to move around more years than her? "that's what an adult should do" No it isn't. You wouldn't do it and you know that. And she isn't even an adult anyway. You would leave him, at best, to be judged. And then, he would either kill everyone including your grandchildren and great grand children because you didn't restrict him, or they'll probably kill him because you restricted him and tied him up like Keina did. In the end, you would just let someone else kill him, or regret your whole life that you didn't restrict him when he'd escape and your granddaughter would try to stop him. Her power is a responsibility. She's the only one that can put a stop to him for sure. But it's not her responsibility to gather every single moron who think killing is fine, them being child or not, and waster her own life watching over them. "Running away from responsibility" is not what adults do. And that's what you would definitely do here, as you would not live your next 10 years with that kid. Look, as I said, I won't waste my time arguing with you any further. Still, you're French, right? It feels a bit ironic that amongst the two of us I'd be the one defending individual liberties and rights, basically, human rights. I mean, that's what many of your philosophers fought for; Rousseau was actually an advocate for improvements in children's education. I'd suggest you look into your own history a bit more. |
HarucchanFeb 13, 2022 7:04 PM
Wow she's really...hmmm...evil. lol She's sociopath. Thanks for the excerpts. |
Harucchan said: Zefyris said: right, it was 90%, I was remembering it at 80%. But regardless, he can still cut the head of any villager in an instant, and he's wanted. By a country that would execute him if you give him toi them (which she did). She can easily manage him when she's around, but are you suggesting that she waste 10 years of her life keeping him on a leash, never having him out of view ? 'being the msot powerful player" this isn't a game anymore. This is her life. You're suggesting that a teenager who spent half her life without being able to move,on an hospital bed, should, as soon as she got her freedom of movement back, spend her next 10 years educating a kid that is probably only a few years younger than her and probably has been free to move around more years than her? "that's what an adult should do" No it isn't. You wouldn't do it and you know that. And she isn't even an adult anyway. You would leave him, at best, to be judged. And then, he would either kill everyone including your grandchildren and great grand children because you didn't restrict him, or they'll probably kill him because you restricted him and tied him up like Keina did. In the end, you would just let someone else kill him, or regret your whole life that you didn't restrict him when he'd escape and your granddaughter would try to stop him. Her power is a responsibility. She's the only one that can put a stop to him for sure. But it's not her responsibility to gather every single moron who think killing is fine, them being child or not, and waster her own life watching over them. "Running away from responsibility" is not what adults do. And that's what you would definitely do here, as you would not live your next 10 years with that kid. Look, as I said, I won't waste my time arguing with you any further. Still, you're French, right? It feels a bit ironic that amongst the two of us I'd be the one defending individual liberties and rights, basically, human rights. I mean, that's what many of your philosophers fought for; Rousseau was actually an advocate for improvements in children's education. I'd suggest you look into your own history a bit more. Rousseau didn't have to deal with children in an adult body that had the ability to murder towns in minutes. You're trying to apply OUR values to a different world and a situation WE would never get, but you refuse to even acknowledge the difference. WTH have human rights and individual liberties to do with this? That child is a criminal in an adult body, of a calibre that no child ever was in our world. He's going to get executed for his crimes. he's not an innocent bystander. Speaking of individual liberties, aren't you the one suggesting that Keina should abandon hers and as a civilian take care of a random criminal child for the next 10 years, and become a criminal herself by sheltering that criminal ? |
ZefyrisFeb 14, 2022 12:27 AM
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| I'll start with this, just to make it clear. sirwence said: You act under the hypothesis that I don't enjoy this one. I do. It's really nice. But that doesn't stop me from seeing Cayna as the cruel person she is. It's fiction. You can have a way worse character Tanya Degurechaff and I'll still enjoy it.I really do think however you should consider dropping the series and move on to other Isekais/series which you might enjoy (I certainly enjoy several as well) I like the animation style, I love the opening, the plot is enjoyable (although weird at times), and I laugh every single time Cayna acts like that. In those particular cases when she's specially bad I am like "Wow, Cayna is horrible". It's really nice, actually. You can enjoy a show without liking its characters. In fact unlikable characters can be used to make a show more interesting and I do think this is a partial example of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0O4eOb3gR8&ab_channel=BrookesEggleston-CharacterDesignForge sirwence said: I eagerly await your long list of people she murdered- this 'kid' is a known bandit whos been killing looting stealing and going as far as directly attacking those who are protecting trade routes (military base and outposts ) If you attempt to say a bandit using magic early on is murder - to quote you "Nope". Because the line was quite clearly drawn between simply a game and now- since its not a game anymore no log outs no resets/respawns. I don't need a long list for her to be a murderer. A long list would prove her to be a mass murderer, though. I didn't say that. For such a barbaric civilization she's just "a little more barbaric", and not all the time (most of the time she's not) so they won't take it that badly. But there is fear. From her kids, from her grandkids, from soldiers who accompanied her, who notice she won't target them and sigh in relief Until they mention her barbaric ways and she attacks them, clearly holding down, but still brutal. Of course. Main character is an assassin. He's also a murdered, almost by definition. It's what he does. sirwence said: Unlike say this 'kid' we don't know hes a kid.. were basing it off trusting* what a person is saying.. Well, even before he said it Cayna already said he's a kid. He might indeed not be a kid. But kid or not, murder is still murder. sirwence said: As would do any kid.after being confronted with the reality of doing several very bad things; they in there defense for mercy "IM A KID DONT HURT ME" sirwence said: Yeah. But if you have an overpowered character who says something like "No, don't kill him, I'll make him into a good person" there is NOBODY who could stom them from doing that and there is no way the kid would be killed.If we use reality for a moment say a 15 year old was a bandit (certainly happened ) killed and stole etc - what happens to them? Usually they'd be put to the blade .. if they were caught? Hung or be headed. The out come is the same. |
LeviathanTheEspFeb 14, 2022 2:39 AM
| I thought she was searching others players to ask them questions about IRL, being stuck in the game, others players whereabouts etc. but she just try to kill him like that because he's dangerous and said "it's a game" ??? Think about all the characters stuck in a game like Ainz fro example searching for "players" and imagine if it was their reactions after finding a player in the new world for the first time ever. Could at least have told for the first time to someone that she's stuck in this world to feel better about her situation or whatever. I'm annoyed the show was really fun (besides the recurrent joke about her being violent and abusive with her family which is already quite reptitive) to watch and then they do this kind of BS |
TitadouFeb 14, 2022 10:31 AM
| So many seems to hate this show. I don't know maybe there is something wrong with my head but I kinda like this. It is not nothing special but still very enjoyable and I wait next weekly episodes almost as much as I wait AOT's and Dress-Up Darling's episodes. |
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LeviathanTheEsp said: I'll start with this, just to make it clear. sirwence said: You act under the hypothesis that I don't enjoy this one. I do. It's really nice. But that doesn't stop me from seeing Cayna as the cruel person she is. It's fiction. You can have a way worse character Tanya Degurechaff and I'll still enjoy it.I really do think however you should consider dropping the series and move on to other Isekais/series which you might enjoy (I certainly enjoy several as well) I like the animation style, I love the opening, the plot is enjoyable (although weird at times), and I laugh every single time Cayna acts like that. In those particular cases when she's specially bad I am like "Wow, Cayna is horrible". It's really nice, actually. You can enjoy a show without liking its characters. In fact unlikable characters can be used to make a show more interesting and I do think this is a partial example of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0O4eOb3gR8&ab_channel=BrookesEggleston-CharacterDesignForge sirwence said: I eagerly await your long list of people she murdered- this 'kid' is a known bandit whos been killing looting stealing and going as far as directly attacking those who are protecting trade routes (military base and outposts ) If you attempt to say a bandit using magic early on is murder - to quote you "Nope". Because the line was quite clearly drawn between simply a game and now- since its not a game anymore no log outs no resets/respawns. I don't need a long list for her to be a murderer. A long list would prove her to be a mass murderer, though. I didn't say that. For such a barbaric civilization she's just "a little more barbaric", and not all the time (most of the time she's not) so they won't take it that badly. But there is fear. From her kids, from her grandkids, from soldiers who accompanied her, who notice she won't target them and sigh in relief Until they mention her barbaric ways and she attacks them, clearly holding down, but still brutal. Of course. Main character is an assassin. He's also a murdered, almost by definition. It's what he does. sirwence said: Unlike say this 'kid' we don't know hes a kid.. were basing it off trusting* what a person is saying.. Well, even before he said it Cayna already said he's a kid. He might indeed not be a kid. But kid or not, murder is still murder. sirwence said: As would do any kid.after being confronted with the reality of doing several very bad things; they in there defense for mercy "IM A KID DONT HURT ME" sirwence said: Yeah. But if you have an overpowered character who says something like "No, don't kill him, I'll make him into a good person" there is NOBODY who could stom them from doing that and there is no way the kid would be killed.If we use reality for a moment say a 15 year old was a bandit (certainly happened ) killed and stole etc - what happens to them? Usually they'd be put to the blade .. if they were caught? Hung or be headed. The out come is the same. Well as long as you're actually enjoying it than by all means of course I hope you continue (the reason not really mattering) You don't need a long list no- but you need a list - IE a name. Killing in defense which is the job when ambushed and other people are dying around that is battle not murder. I hate make that distinction but it is a difference you can complain about 'shes OP' but its irrelevant, battle is battle (especially when its bandits who will and do actually murder pillage and rape etc) they assaulted and were repulsed at heavy cost to themselves. Just because a character is stronger than you (by any margin vast or small) doesn't make a battle not a battle per-say even in the "Kids" place - hes given a chance he assaulted and is going to be killed for his crimes (Murder and Plunder) and because no one else can stop him unless another Skill Master returns so he will simply keep doing what hes done (You see hes a mass murderer). So Please list the people whom she simply went out was walking down the street and than murdered* Tanya is just fine as a character - she is mostly Lawful Evil - But its hard to find characters embroiled in a massive total war who arent killing.. if you want to look at the real evil characters its the 'Gods' who will slaughter tens of millions to attempt to make a point due to extreme pettiness. |
sirwenceFeb 14, 2022 12:02 PM
sirwence said: "Battling" people with clubs by using an army with M4s is not battle. It's a massacre. In the same way, "battling" someone with a club by throwing him a grenade when you have a taser in your pocket is not battle. Defense can only be used to justify a killing not being murder when it's used legitimately, and again, for legitimate defense you require a reasonable use of force.Killing in defense which is the job when ambushed and other people are dying around that is battle not murder. sirwence said: Again, you can try and simplify what battle is but being OP is key into justifying whether the use of that force was legitimate. It's the exact reason why you don't send the U.S. army to fight, say, bank robbers. Countries that do.. best case scenario are countries filled to the brim with corruption. Worst case scenario, it's the worst dictatorships that still exist in the world.you can complain about 'shes OP' but its irrelevant, battle is battle (especially when its bandits who will and do actually murder pillage and rape etc) That's the reason governments send "riot police" to deal with riots instead of standard police or the army. That's the reason normal crimes are answered with the police instead of the army. That's the reason even when there is a big conflict the use of the army is considered heavily before it's used. sirwence said: So Please list the people whom she simply went out was walking down the street and than murdered* None. But don mix up "murder" with "murder random bypassers". Not the same. -------------------- But Tanya is a mass murderer. She ordered the kill of a ton of factory workers passing the warning they had to make as a joke to them. Actually, Tanya is a great example that you can like horrible characters lol. Horrible not as in horribly designed but as in horrible as a person. |
LeviathanTheEspFeb 14, 2022 2:02 PM
Collins89 said: God so dumb, I've been fine watching this just as a fun 5/10 anime that's just there to give you all the basic stuff so you can be semi interested as you're waiting for the next episode of something better.to come out. But man now it's just bad, not even gonna try to give you any basic info. I also heavily dislike this - lack of introspection, lack of even moderately interesting dialogue, etc., but after Game of Thrones season 8 (not anime, I know) and a lot of television shows and lesser anime series from recent years in that same vein, I've realized it's what I've come to expect from series with weak writing. It seems to stem primarily from a fundamental either disinterest, inability, or both, to even want to attempt writing even moderately compelling conversations and show situations unfolding naturally/organically rather than just speed info dumping all at once or just skipping over it entirely and saying or implying they happened offscreen after the fact. That and a constant tempo of seeming like they're being insanely rushed (and the feeling reflecting that for me as a viewer). |
WatchTillTandava said: Collins89 said: God so dumb, I've been fine watching this just as a fun 5/10 anime that's just there to give you all the basic stuff so you can be semi interested as you're waiting for the next episode of something better.to come out. But man now it's just bad, not even gonna try to give you any basic info. I also heavily dislike this - lack of introspection, lack of even moderately interesting dialogue, etc., but after Game of Thrones season 8 (not anime, I know) and a lot of television shows and lesser anime series from recent years in that same vein, I've realized it's what I've come to expect from series with weak writing. It seems to stem primarily from a fundamental either disinterest, inability, or both, to even want to attempt writing even moderately compelling conversations and show situations unfolding naturally/organically rather than just speed info dumping all at once or just skipping over it entirely and saying or implying they happened offscreen after the fact. That and a constant tempo of seeming like they're being insanely rushed (and the feeling reflecting that for me as a viewer). Hahaha man your dead on with how this is like GOT and other crap tv shows. Crazy shallow and I still don't understand stand how people can actually rate this high. One friend dropped it cause it's so bad and everyone else didn't even start it. They are all smarter than I, but I'm a completionist so I'm here till the end......and then will give it the 2/10 it deserves. It reminds me of some show on ABC or CBS that got picked for there tgif line up! Just pure crap and only there as filler and probably cancelled after a season or two. We can only hope this doesn't get any season two and hopefully the bleach in my washroom is strong enough to cleanse my eyes after I'm done watching this!  |
Collins89Feb 17, 2022 1:48 AM
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| comedy placing for this is kinda off. icb she really tried to kill that player bc he was a bad guy? like yeah normally you'd go and do that but thats the first player you've encountered after actually Living in this game. first ever. you'd want to at least question him a bit, and her granddaughter wanting to let it live?? why???? to her he should be just a guy that's been causing them trouble and almost killed her troops. i know i shouldn't expect anything out of this and im rly not but those were just so off lol the fairy following her every movement n expressions was kinda cute tho |
| Well they're all killing a lot of people everyone, at this point it doesn't matter if it's a demon or not.. they're both in the wrong xD She got a fairy I wonder what will happen with it, anyway she's OP as usual for sure |
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| I like the tone shift from Cayna :) Makes the anime more unique! |
| So, it's ok to kill or send the dragons to kill some Leadale's folks who happened to be bandits (or just smugglers), but it's really bad to kill the other Leadale's folks. People in the comments keep saying that that was ok to kill bandits back then. But it's not "back then", bitch is from our times. I'm sure, anyone who happened to kill a real person would be traumatized by this. But not this awesome MC, nope. What i wanted to say about this MC? Oh, yeah, fuck her. I hope she will be stuck in coma forever. |
GvendolineMay 5, 2022 3:56 PM
| some ppl fail to understand that its no longer a game it became ALT reality a real world, in EP1 is showed power went out meaning the game shut down to so no1 can play meaning they are no longer in the game @Gvendoline she was little disturbed by that at first bot recovered fast, she had that type of a face, not all ppl brake down from killingsome1 cause they had to, also she is no longer in coma but dead so new she exist only in that world and can never return ImmortalZero said: Cayne is such an inconsistent character imo. She has the weirdest mood swings and has such inconsistent thinking. > Goes on don't kill NPCs since they're alive and have feelings yadayada killing is bad > Goes on and murders the people infront of her when she's definitely strong enough to subdue them instead > Goes on saying the "world is real" and should be treated as such but has no qualms on killing a kid instead of being judged by the law like the "real world" would. neokiva said: ImmortalZero said: this is a largely anime only inconsistencies cayna doesn't actually care about killing, her actions are guided largely by pragmatism, context or laziness, subduing is rife with complications so no it isn't the best thing to do. Cayne is such an inconsistent character imo. She has the weirdest mood swings and has such inconsistent thinking. > Goes on don't kill NPCs since they're alive and have feelings yadayada killing is bad > Goes on and murders the people infront of her when she's definitely strong enough to subdue them instead > Goes on saying the "world is real" and should be treated as such but has no qualms on killing a kid instead of being judged by the law like the "real world" would. Don't forget they are thrives and murderers, they are fair game. Yes and the real world has consequences for murder and banditry, helspur is actually weird cause they are using modern morals, in a feudal fantasy world, in which it's normal to kill bandits, it's out of place. "The real world" isn't modern day earth. And need I remind you that kid likely gleefully murdered people and is too strong for even the strongest NPC's to handle, that punishment collar was an ass pull if I have ever seen one. The author wrote him/herself into a corner and didn't want to commit to Cayna's pragmatic character. Also the he's a kid who didn't know loses all strength as an argument when he attempted to kill cayna even after she told him it wasn't a game. well she killed bandits and he killed innocent ppl huge difference |
Sugram22May 5, 2022 9:06 AM
| I see Cayna has resorted to bullying a murderous demon kid now, although killing him goes a tad too far especially if he really misunderstood everything no longer being a game. Also weird how she doesn't ask any questions as he's literally the first player she's encountered. |
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| Well interesting to confirm that there are other players here too. So if there's only the long-lived races so far, does that mean players have lived and died in Leadale for 200 years and Cayna was in stasis/disappeared for all those years? Or does it mean all players just reappeared after 200 years and only those whose avatars were "still alive" after that long were able to live? This is a pretty convoluted setup for an isekai |
| Nice to finally see another player, too bad it was some snot nosed brat. Doesn’t seem like the kid even realized he got trapped in a game. I guess there really are other players out there, I wonder how many of them realize the situation they are in? Would be interesting to see Cayna’s interactions with the others. |
| Meh I don't like this. While I have no problem with the MC's attitude it seems like the author is giving players a free pass. Also she was just sulking a few episodes ago and now there's a player and she acts like it's no big deal. Isn't it better to just completely remove all the players why make the plot even more convoluted? |
konerokoDec 22, 2022 10:08 AM
| C6R5 Raiden |
| Seems rough on the kid who thought they were still in a game. We can argue all day that the kid should have known it was real, but supreme ignorance and stupidity shouldn't be a serious crime, and that's what they established his problem as. Ofc the NPCs have no idea, but the MC knows better yet was still pretty evil willing to kill him and then willing to let the NPCs punish him anyhow. |
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