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Feb 11, 2022 4:36 PM
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Think it from Cayna's POV. He may be a kid but he's also a Lvl 432 player. Much stronger than her kids or anyone fore that matter. It he was 100 more levels stronger, he could pose a serious threat even to her. Demon character is broken. Eliminating him at that time seemed the right choice for her. If she just left him as is. He could cause a lot of problems in the future (Looking at you Myne) and she may not be there to save like she did here. Like she said, there are no reset. You die then you die. She's from the black kingdom, same as the brat and she knows about demon mains more than anyone in the game. Demons can only be part of black kingdom.

Let's not forget how much trouble the brat brought to the the country. He almost destroyed the country and killed 100s of the innocents just because he wanted level up. Thousands of people had to abandon their homes and live on the streets because of him. And since they are bandits, you can guess what happened to the women and the men when they captured them. She does not seem like it but she hates it even innocent people get themselves in trouble.

Cayna is unstable and imperfect but she has her own morales. Your could feel how angry she was in the battle. And it's not just her why made that decision, everyone in the continent had come to tht same conclusion. The kingdom didn't save him to make him repent, they saved him to punish him themselves according to their own laws and it was by decapitatation. Even the other players asked her why she spared him, LoL
Feb 11, 2022 5:45 PM
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Isekai_banzai said:
He may be a kid


Best thing about kids. They learn.

No. She was in the wrong. The worst of it is that you're trying to make sense of a decision she didn't even put that much thought in. Because it's not that she tried to kill him because he was a threat. She tried to kill him because that's how she is.

She also murdered a bandit a few episodes ago. A bandit who was no threat for anyone there once removed from that staff.

Isekai_banzai said:

Let's not forget how much trouble the brat brought to the the country. He almost destroyed the country and killed 100s of the innocents just because he wanted level up. Thousands of people had to abandon their homes and live on the streets because of him.

Just what. I also nuked Megaton in fallout 3, and if suddenly I was trapped in that world I wouldn't have it from watching another person from my world trying to kill me, if when I did it I wasn't aware it had for some reason become a real world.

Isekai_banzai said:
The kingdom didn't save him to make him repent, they saved him to punish him themselves according to their own laws and it was by decapitatation. Even the other players asked her why she spared him, LoL

Being in a garbage society in which she has a ton of influence (just because of being so powerful) doesn't make her any better. She has garbage morals, and that's it.
LeviathanTheEspFeb 11, 2022 5:50 PM
Feb 23, 2022 6:04 PM
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Isekai_banzai said:
Think it from Cayna's POV. He may be a kid but he's also a Lvl 432 player. Much stronger than her kids or anyone fore that matter. It he was 100 more levels stronger, he could pose a serious threat even to her. Demon character is broken. Eliminating him at that time seemed the right choice for her. If she just left him as is. He could cause a lot of problems in the future (Looking at you Myne) and she may not be there to save like she did here. Like she said, there are no reset. You die then you die. She's from the black kingdom, same as the brat and she knows about demon mains more than anyone in the game. Demons can only be part of black kingdom.

Let's not forget how much trouble the brat brought to the the country. He almost destroyed the country and killed 100s of the innocents just because he wanted level up. Thousands of people had to abandon their homes and live on the streets because of him. And since they are bandits, you can guess what happened to the women and the men when they captured them. She does not seem like it but she hates it even innocent people get themselves in trouble.

Cayna is unstable and imperfect but she has her own morales. Your could feel how angry she was in the battle. And it's not just her why made that decision, everyone in the continent had come to tht same conclusion. The kingdom didn't save him to make him repent, they saved him to punish him themselves according to their own laws and it was by decapitatation. Even the other players asked her why she spared him, LoL


The problem with what you're saying is that you fail to recognize the kid genuinely thought this was all still just a game. If he was fully aware these are basically real people he's hurting then yea, he probably deserved to die. But this is a kid who by all means thought this was just some fake world where he could do what he want. Not a perfect excuse for his actions by any means, but killing a kid when they don't even know what they're doing is extremely fucked up.
Feb 28, 2022 10:03 PM
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SkyhighCFC said:

The problem with what you're saying is that you fail to recognize the kid genuinely thought this was all still just a game. If he was fully aware these are basically real people he's hurting then yea, he probably deserved to die. But this is a kid who by all means thought this was just some fake world where he could do what he want. Not a perfect excuse for his actions by any means, but killing a kid when they don't even know what they're doing is extremely fucked up.


Yea,

Imagine some kid playing VR MMO and was doing open world in-game coded legit PK/PvP and some random dude came up and said hey, why are you attacking others, you deserve to die.... wtf...

It's actually a ban-able offense for telling someone to go die, the person that said it can get banned from games or streaming platforms.
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Mar 4, 2022 1:28 AM
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LeviathanTheEsp said:
Isekai_banzai said:
He may be a kid


Best thing about kids. They learn.

No. She was in the wrong. The worst of it is that you're trying to make sense of a decision she didn't even put that much thought in. Because it's not that she tried to kill him because he was a threat. She tried to kill him because that's how she is.


So what was the correct choice for Cayna to make in that situation? Cayna really only has 3 choices she could make.

Choice 1: Kill him, he's the strongest person Cayna has encountered so far. As far as she's aware she's the only one who could stop him should he go on a rampage so he's clearly a threat to everyone Cayna cares about as well as other innocent people (if Cayna wasn't around when his golems attacked, her granddaughter could have very likely been killed).

Choice 2: Turn him in to the authorities, this option is honestly not much better than the first. He has directly and indirectly killed, robbed and "enslaved" hundreds of innocent people (remember the bandit from before initially wanted to capture Cayna because she was a pretty lady). There was no way his trial and punishment wasn't going to be severe. He's most likely going to be executed or at best imprisoned for life/centuries like how we see him later on bound and gagged in a cell (if anything Cayna giving him a swift end would be better than going through this whole process).

This option also carries a risk that he could somehow break free from his restraints and escape (or some evil person breaks him out). Even with his level capped he's still significantly stronger than the average soldier and he likely has high level items such as powerful explosives or items that summons high level monsters. You even see her giving clear instructions to be very careful with him because of this.

Choice 3: Is the irresponsible choice where Cayna lets him go and he hopefully turns over a new leaf. Even in the best case scenario where he genuinely tries to redeem himself it still doesn't change the fact that he's a wanted criminal that's killed hundreds of people and that the Kingdom wants him put down. Not to mention by doing this Cayna would be seen as protecting/helping a criminal and is not right from a legal standpoint.

The only argument that could be made here is that Cayna could have shown more sympathy or hesitancy when faced with this decision but that still doesn't change the fact that she has to make 1 of these choices. Though it seems Cayna doesn't really show sympathy when it comes to people who killed or enslave other innocent people like the bandit who tried to capture her or this kid player.
Mar 25, 2022 4:38 AM
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it deffinitely was probably a better choice to not kill him, but its complicated. (im reading the LN as well, so im ahead).

From the perspective he is just a child, keep in mind, cayna is the latest person to arrive to Leadale from the "real world". That "Child" already been in Leadale post-transfer several years and by relation they would be closer to 20, rather then their former "child" age.

While they may maintain the mentality of a child, this is in-fact a choice. While the anime does protray the event of meeting luvrogue as some great unraveling of "real life" vs "video game" for cayna, the LN covered that much sooner.

The biggest difference being obvious, that the /game systems dont work/. things like player contact and most advanced functions dont even exist until /after/ those events when "Li'l Fairy" is met.

Then there is the whole situation of physical sensation. Leadale VRMMO didnt have the ability to fulfill taste/feel and a need to care for ones body. The first time Luvrogue needed to use the bathroom would of been evident that its no longer a game...

But Luvrogue ignored this, he ignored reality and went on a murder-spree. We have serial killers in the real world that do this too and much like the LN reveals that this is probably more the case.

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So getting back to the point, Should Cayna have killed him? Yes, and as a executioner for the state, not as a pvp duel. why? lubrogue is a threat to himself and others and doesnt regard anything as real due to his unbalanced power and deep seated anger at being out of control of his reality. He doesnt and will never regard another living life with the same respect he gives his own unless they are of equal power to him. It suits his childish personality that doesnt want to grow up as it means changing who he was. The game was a outlet for his anger before, now this world will deal with his regret.

Worse off, because he has been handed to the authoraties, the existence of players will be exposed meaning
. There is no good end to this, as Cayna's secret identity would make her a target, not a goddess of some sort.

In the end, only time will tell. if the anime follows the same route as the LN, we will all live to regret her not being his executioner.
Apr 28, 2022 2:58 AM
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I think since Cayna was probably not that far in age from him, her logic made sence. Plus killing him would be more interesting compared to the alternative.
The alternative being, she acting like an adult and trying to reform him, which has been done to death and I've personally gotten bored of seeing it happen over and over again.
Her thinking I support since it was more fresh.

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