White Album 2nd Season Episode 8 Discussion

vinesage said:
So many problems are building up and left unsolved, EIji with his painting, affair with Yayoi, stalker, relationship problem with Yuki and Rina, dying father and the emo kid Mana (honestly I didnt get why she really flipped), this is the sign of final drama we are heading to~

vinesage said:
btw, I had feeling last time that people really do believe Touya is of low intelligence.
No matter how dumb this show portraits him, it shouldnt be difficult to see he is a very average man, at least as far as his relationship-matters are concerned:

vinesage said:
His relationship with Misaki had nothing to begin with, he never thought anything of her other than a childhood friend.

vinesage said:
His relationship/affair with Yayoi is unavoidable, just as any average man in reality wouldnt have done anything different on that matter, plus, it was him who was "raped" (and who grew liking it sometimes~)

vinesage said:
Things with Haruka and Mana also have nothing to begin with at first place, they are no different than a friend and a kid.

vinesage said:
The only one he has any interest other than Yuki is Rina, who he adored as an idol as early as in his high-school years. Of course if Rina ever shows affection towards him, he wouldnt be able to act different than falling for her as well. Plus the fact that things between him and Yuki arent going well (due to Yayoi things etc).

vinesage said:
And the wrongs in relationship with Yuki isnt really all Touya's fault either, it is the circumstances that made that relationship hardly possible anymore.

vinesage said:
So, even though Touya looks really dumb from the audiences' point of view, he is in reality not much different than the audiences themselves. (except now that the audience is more or less intentional, so difference to certain degree is unavoidable~)

vinesage said:
yeah, I for one cant wait to see how all this mess will end...

francismeunier said:
Are Hiiragi/Tamaru forming a alliance here to do something to Touya/Yuki/Yayoi....I know Tamaru hates Touya and Hiiragi hates Yayoi but then why call her?

francismeunier said:
Why is the father comparing Yuki to his death wife and does the ressemblence give hints that Yuki might be the sister of Touya or half-sister?

francismeunier said:
Why is Tamaru crying here like weak male in front of his father?

francismeunier said:
Why would Mana go to such extent as behaviour....this is not typical of her at all on top of pushing her mom and insulting her in front of Touya.

francismeunier said:
Did Touya have sex possibly twice with Yayoi in this episode....once in the bathroom and the other time meeting her in the car?

francismeunier said:
Also doe Menou smile here mean anything? Could it be related to what she heard between Tamaru/Hiiragi?

vinesage said:


So that is what he told her? She should have sex with him too then to trick him into giving her his camera and pictures...there problem solved. It would be even better to have Touya walk in at the same time to get a bigger drama.

Look at the wife in pic and Yuki...they look identical almost.

Why? His father looks like a big guy in the Journalist industry or is he not?

Emo? Just like that? Because she sees her mom?

What? O_O They do all the time...no way! How could they in that bathroom? There were other times that it looks impossible to me....also is that why he tried to avoid her instead?

I wonder about that or is it more to ruin Yuki so that she can have Touya to herself? I wonder too.

georgi said:
Yes, Touya did have sex at least twice in this episode.

vinesage said:
All I can say is, White Album isnt a show that anything can happen just for the sake of drama/entertainment, things happens because of the characters, and characters change because things happen.

kaminakun said:
Hey vinesage
I REALLY love your statement there and would like to adapt it into my future review for White Album S2. Do you mind me borrowing those quotes?

vinesage said:
lol sure~ ;-)

Kanzaki said:
I'm counting on you, Menou. She's this close to breaking into the top ten.

Touya's thought said:
Haruka came back to life.

Siva said:
That is another big bone that they just threw at us in this episode which is something that we have been waiting for a long to see the light of it. Now it is pretty clear that Touya lost or forgot some important memories about the past. But by saying "Haruka came back to life." what exactly did he mean by that? We know that there is nothing wrong with Haruka.

Wasabi said:
What a trainwreck this episode was. If the train didn't already fall off a cliff and explode into a fireball, it definitely would've now. So many ridiculous things happened in this one episode.

noteDhero said:
Ummm...WTF!
I just now realized who Hiiragi was..., and was spent much of the episode making sure I knew who Tamaru was that I couldn't keep my head straight. There's one thing that I'm hazy on, and that was Tamaru's conversation with his dad. Is Misaki the girl he was talking about, or was it someone else? Because I vaguely remember thinking about Misaki and being pregnant last season during some kind of phone call at night also...but I feel like she's always on the phone in that same shot that I'm probably just confused.

noteDhero said:
Besides that, I felt like Mana's freak out was a little ridiculous, but then she's a child, so that's expected. Yuki's lame little lies are quite transparent, but Touya is so dumb it wouldn't really matter in the first place. The stuff with Haruka seems like nothing to me since we know nothing about her aside from the fact that she's gone bonkers since her brother died years ago. Eiji's crap with the painting doesn't bother me since I hope he goes utterly broke anyways, and I'm starting to feel like Kanzaki has missed out on a lot of the nuances of all the relationships even though she's the power player at the moment.

noteDhero said:
As far as Touya goes, I think it's clear that he is less scum than the average male. The fact is that he is so weak that he leads women on despite knowing what he is doing. We see him hold and kiss Rina when his inner monologue is "someone stop me." We see him constantly have sex with Yayoi even though he compares her to a thoughtless doll. We see him attempt to kiss Misaki even though we know he doesn't want to do it, just try to make her feel better. We see him loop himself into a date with the student affairs lady, even though he's saying (once again), "someone stop me." Then he ditches her in the middle of the date with no explanation the second Yayoi comes.

noteDhero said:
Once again, in this episode, he allows himself to be swept up in Yayoi, and even goes to see her. These are not the actions of a normal man. These are the actions of a man with little to no self esteem, self worth, or respect for other people's feelings. He has not done a single considerate thing in the course of this show, and I think that's quite a feat.

noteDhero said:
Also, this was a horrendous looking episode. Touya had about 5 different faces, Mana had 3, Kanzaki had 2, and there was that terrible, janky animation again that was rife in season 1. Because of that taking me out of the moment, I just couldn't really like the episode despite a lot of the reveals.

noteDhero said:
Yeah, I figured abortion had something to do with it, and the conversation with Tamaru's father was the only thing that pointed in that direction. This is the main problem when you have a show that is so dependent upon small plot details if you take a 6 month break between seasons. A lot of the nuance is lost just because you're trying to wrap your head around what happened in the previous season.

I still would like to know whether or not I was right about thinking it had been intimated that Misaki was pregnant though. I just don't care enough to look back at previous episodes/discussions to check if I wrote anything.

This is my endgame (prays to God):

Touya and Misaki get stabbed by Drama Club President.
Haruka commits suicide because her fragile mind can't take Touya's death.
ex-Manager goes psycho at the concert and with a gun, kills Yayoi, Yuki, and Rina.
Mana kills herself since she's a Yuki stalker.
Eiji goes psycho from his ridiculous machinations and the loss of his two moneymakers.

Wasabi said:
What a trainwreck this episode was. If the train didn't already fall off a cliff and explode into a fireball, it definitely would've now. So many ridiculous things happened in this one episode.

DeathfireD said:
I was never under the impression that Misaki was preggos. Although I did believe she was raped by him, as I mentioned a while back when people where posting hate messages about how she doesn't put out to her b/f lol. Clearly a girl that was raped would be scared to have sex again. I suppose if she was preggos all the more reason to be scared or cautious. Quite frankly, that whole story bores me to death. I know somehow they're gonna try and tie it into the major story but even still, I find it boring to try and decipher that mess.

As for Touya's dad...I think it's pretty obvious that Yuki is related to him in some way. When he's looking at Yuki he sees another women, presumably his wife or another lover that looks exactly like Yuki.

Another hint is that he's got something to tell Touya but every time he mentions Yuki, Touya stops him from continuing and calls him names. I suspect Touya might already know he's related to Yuki but doesn't want to admit it or accept it. It may also explain why he's so harsh on his dad. He's not just angry that he cheated but also because the girl he likes may actually be his step sister. He also calls his dad a pervert so it's still possible that his dad cheated or, at the very least, started dating another women once Touya's mom died. Whether or not it was Yuki's mom is another question. Yuki's the same age as Touya so that would mean he'd have to have been doing two women around the same time. Again these are all just guesses I've been posting since they started dropping hints.

One other thing to keep in mind. We haven't heard anything about Yuki's parents. We've never seen them and they've never visited her before a concert. She's always at work but somehow finds a way to visit Touya's dad. Either they're trying hard to keep parents out of this series or they're planning for a twist real soon ;).

francismeunier said:

That is excellent information about your thinking on Touya's dad/Yuki/Touya relation! About Misaki I also was not unders the impression at all in the first season but I understand her better....it would good to see her reactions again in the first season and thinkng that she was raped/pregnant then forced to have a abortion. BTW did it cost in those days for abortion?

DeathfireD said:


In those days abortion was not a common practice...I'm not even sure it was legal yet. It might have been in Japan though. Most women would do self abortions on themselves by used clothes hangers or other objects which often resulted in them accidentally killing themselves too. Assuming the drama kid's dad was referring to Misaki when he mentioned paying for abortion, then we can guess that she had it done by a doctor secretly. I'm still not convinced Misaki was preggos though. The drama kid just likes to fuck chicks is all.

Fabrice said:
LOL All the characters in this series are either retard or weird, excepted Yayoi who is almost became a character that steal the show.

greenmush said:
This shows has one of the most detailed forums discussion o_o

Kira01 said:
Somehow, it looks a lot like a nice boat ending.

BitchMaster said:
S-stop it.... My eyes, as well as my heart won't be able to withstand another provocative screenshot like this one... *_________* though some part of me still yearns for MOAR though, I don't know what exactly do I want anymore...