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Mar 28, 2021 7:11 PM
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So far the story in anime vaguely resembled the story line of the novel and so did the characters. However the "Scandal in Bohemia" shows relationship between Holmes and Irene Adler very different than that showed in anime. Will they create their own story lines as it progresses or will remain somewhat faithful to the original script?
Mar 28, 2021 8:35 PM
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idk about any novel but the anime is adapted from the manga
Mar 28, 2021 9:24 PM
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Rex2398 said:
So far the story in anime vaguely resembled the story line of the novel and so did the characters. However the "Scandal in Bohemia" shows relationship between Holmes and Irene Adler very different than that showed in anime. Will they create their own story lines as it progresses or will remain somewhat faithful to the original script?
Are you talking about the original novel of Sherlock Holmes? Cause there is no novel of Moriarty the patriot, the source material is manga.

Incase you are talking about the original novels written by Arthur Conan Doyle then yes this series is just using the setting and characters from Sherlock Holmes. I thought that was obvious from the begining.
Mar 28, 2021 11:16 PM
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the source material is the manga. but the mangaka did use the setting and characters from the original novel




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Mar 29, 2021 9:20 PM
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Absolutely, since Irene Adler was originally just a witty woman who got away in one story. This version is based more on the femme fatale rival popularized later on.
Mar 29, 2021 9:38 PM
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MegamiRem said:
Rex2398 said:
So far the story in anime vaguely resembled the story line of the novel and so did the characters. However the "Scandal in Bohemia" shows relationship between Holmes and Irene Adler very different than that showed in anime. Will they create their own story lines as it progresses or will remain somewhat faithful to the original script?
Are you talking about the original novel of Sherlock Holmes? Cause there is no novel of Moriarty the patriot, the source material is manga.

Incase you are talking about the original novels written by Arthur Conan Doyle then yes this series is just using the setting and characters from Sherlock Holmes. I thought that was obvious from the begining.


I see! never really thought about the manga. I thought it was a spinoff or something from the original novels
Apr 1, 2021 10:47 PM
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weirdy8 said:
Absolutely, since Irene Adler was originally just a witty woman who got away in one story. This version is based more on the femme fatale rival popularized later on.


Actually, from what I'm seeing in this current episode, Irene Adler is very much akin to the original creation from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

She was a prima donna Opera singer who had incriminating photos of the King of Bohemia, which is exactly what is stated in this episode.

The anime differs in that she "cosplays" the King to get Sherlock's attention and the scenario is a bit of a "set-up" on her part. It doesn't deny the fact that the plot itself is still taken from the original source however.

Furthermore, she also seems to take cues from the popular BBC TV Series where she was a dominatrix who had incriminating photos of a young member of the Royals, which is also alluded to here.


So, she seems to be heavily inspired from the original novels and also the TV series.
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Apr 2, 2021 10:34 PM
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Rex2398 said:
So far the story in anime vaguely resembled the story line of the novel and so did the characters. However the "Scandal in Bohemia" shows relationship between Holmes and Irene Adler very different than that showed in anime. Will they create their own story lines as it progresses or will remain somewhat faithful to the original script?


Orginall on Konan Doyle's story, Irene Adler was someone whom Holmes admired at the end of Scandal in Bohemia for her courage. There was no love or what so ever about it.

But first, Hollywood's Sherlock Holmes brings romance to Sherlock which is totally unwanted and this anime also made Sherlock totally dumb looking guy who is too lost of a woman's charm.

On the other hand, BBC Sherlock is quite actual representation of Sherlock Holmes and that's why I love that sooo much...

On the other hand in this anime, it felt like they killed Orginal Sherlockian charm and made him just an average guy who fell in love which is not real Sherlock. Thus I think anime is heavily inspired by Hollywood movie for this romance aspect.

Everybody knows, Sherlock Holmes is not your average man.

Let's see what happens next...
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Apr 18, 2021 10:37 AM
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weirdy8 said:
Absolutely, since Irene Adler was originally just a witty woman who got away in one story. This version is based more on the femme fatale rival popularized later on.


I did read that Irene Adler only appeared in one of the original stories despite being a very popular character. So, I guess she will stick around this time? It would be nice, it kinda bothers me the almost complete lack of female characters in this story.
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Apr 18, 2021 11:10 AM

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Rex2398 said:
So far the story in anime vaguely resembled the story line of the novel and so did the characters. However the "Scandal in Bohemia" shows relationship between Holmes and Irene Adler very different than that showed in anime. Will they create their own story lines as it progresses or will remain somewhat faithful to the original script?

it is quite obvious that amime will add some of it's own spices on it. From BBC's Sherlock to Robert Downy Jr's Sherlock, they all mix something with orginal story.

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Apr 25, 2021 12:36 PM

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The anime and the original Arthur Conan Doyle novels have very little in common to be honest.

Not saying it's a bad thing, but the more the show progresses the less resemblance I see between the two.

One thing that should be noted is that Sherlock Holmes is not a novel, but rather a series of short stories with an additional 4 novel-sized stories thrown in (though said novels are pretty short my modern novel standards).

I haven't read the books in nearly 10 years but here are a few standouts:

Irene Addler / Bonde only appears in one short story, and though she became a fan-favorite over the years and has appeared in almost every Sherlock Holmes adaptation since, the truth is she was only a minor character. I don't remember her ever posing as man in the original short story, I'm pretty sure she never did it.

Professor Moriarty was a retcon. He was added midway through the stories as a villain that orchestrated most of the past crimes Sherlock Holmes solved, but as I said, this was a retcon. If you re-read the stories, there are no indications those crimes are connected.

Additionally, Professor Moriarty is something of a non-character. He has no personality or motivation. He's a one-note bad guy and runs a criminal underground for the money, that's it.

Sherlock Holmes is the one character I feel that drew the short straw in this adaptation. Sherlock had no rival other than MAYBE Moriarty, and even then, Moriarty was just a rival added for the sake of drama, as it was always clear Moriarty's main advantage was money and manpower as he wasn't quite on the same intellectual level as Sherlock. But in the anime, it feels like Sherlock is being played the entire time and that Moriarty is smarter than him.

I'm really enjoying the anime, but I can say the only change that rubs me the wrong way is how Sherlock is portrayed as being so easily manipulated and duped. It really goes against the spirit of the character.


The rest is more or less similar enough, though every character was older in the books from what I remember.


EDIT: Oh also, the anti-noble angle wasn't part of the novels at all from what I remember. That's new. Neither Sherlock nor Moriarty ever had anything against nobles nor or were they portrayed as good or bad, just people.


Please remember that it's been a while since I've read the books so I may have forgotten some things.
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Apr 27, 2021 10:36 PM

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st1ka said:

I'm really enjoying the anime, but I can say the only change that rubs me the wrong way is how Sherlock is portrayed as being so easily manipulated and duped. It really goes against the spirit of the character.


You are correct about everything. Moriarty is a crime lord who was involved in some stories. Also, Irene Adler was only in A Scandal in Bohemia. She was admired by Sherlock, not loved. I hate how the Hollywood and this anime version of Sherlock loves Irene Adler. He was never interested in love.
Also, yeah, they did Sherlock dirty in this anime. Sherlock in the original novels was a calm, calculating, crime-obsessed person. This immature. getting easily manipulated version upsets me.
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troilus_05s said:
st1ka said:

I'm really enjoying the anime, but I can say the only change that rubs me the wrong way is how Sherlock is portrayed as being so easily manipulated and duped. It really goes against the spirit of the character.


You are correct about everything. Moriarty is a crime lord who was involved in some stories. Also, Irene Adler was only in A Scandal in Bohemia. She was admired by Sherlock, not loved. I hate how the Hollywood and this anime version of Sherlock loves Irene Adler. He was never interested in love.
Also, yeah, they did Sherlock dirty in this anime. Sherlock in the original novels was a calm, calculating, crime-obsessed person. This immature. getting easily manipulated version upsets me.


I honestly like this version of Sherlock more. He looks very lively and like he's having fun with his job. He is still as crime-obsessed as ever, especially in the first season. I also don't think he's necessarily in love with Irene, but he definitely admires her and cares for her. I like this daredevil, not so cold Sherlock. It makes him all the more interesting and fun.

I don't think he got easily manipulated, he still had his doubts about Irene to the point where he had to blow up (lol) his apartment to expose her secret. It did seem like he was wrapped around her finger on episode 2? But he didn't completely fall for it.
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