why do people hate on vtubers so much?

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From my own personal experience I think it's just for the sheer fact of how superficial and fake it come off as. When people watch a live stream they want to see a rl person behind the camera not some 3d avatars. From a vtubers perspective it gives them that creative freedom where they normally wouldn't be able to express if say they show their real face. As OP stated it's fine to dislike some but to dislike all of them is farfetched. There are some that are actually entertaining, very good artist, etc

Feb 12, 2021 3:47 PM

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Personally I enjoyed them when I used to watch them, but one reason I could think for disliking the very concept is that VTubers (for the most part) are corporate manufactured characters to exploit parasocial relationships.

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Feb 13, 2021 3:52 PM

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Well this goes for all things, when something gets really popular on the media, there's always that small group of people who just want to hate it. This kind of hate comes from people who don't really like this new form of media coming out of nowhere, they find tiny flaws and dig their way through and make a big deal out of it. Examples right now being the new season of Attack on Titan, with the high scores and all, and the war between FMAB, people try to nitpick small things that they don't like and spread their hate juice all over. Honestly for the people hating on vtubers, they are missing out on all the fun.

Feb 16, 2021 1:35 AM

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nystr0 said:
Personally I enjoyed them when I used to watch them, but one reason I could think for disliking the very concept is that VTubers (for the most part) are corporate manufactured characters to exploit parasocial relationships.

Not all of them are corporate. In fact, there are way more indies out there, corporates just shine the brightest. And the corp is only as much worth as the popularity and exposure it can provide.

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Feb 16, 2021 2:42 AM

NubFix

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popular things will always get hate, no matter how good or how bad they're
other than Hametsu no Mars of course

Feb 16, 2021 2:46 PM

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Well, I really like them, but also understand why some people don't like their style much (for hiding their true identities or "faking" their voices).

However, I'm just a simple person: I see a Vtuber singing an anime opening I like ==> I procced to be SIMPathetic.

Feb 16, 2021 5:00 PM

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I'm really curious did the whole simping thing began with hololive?

Feb 18, 2021 5:53 AM

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Friddan

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I'm really curious did the whole simping thing began with hololive?

Nope, it was used as a negative tag attached to you for donating to female streamer. Then people started using it with Vtubers, then people turned it into a positive thing.

(A bit more off, but this generally applies to anything you can describe a person with. If you get insulted in some way, then just take pride in it and make it something positive. LUL)

Feb 18, 2021 6:00 AM

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I just find people on here hating on Vtubers hilariously ironic.

It wasn't even that many years ago when anime was much more niche and people would give you weird looks and think you're creepy/cringy when you said you were into anime.

The same thing is happening here, except by the anime weebs that should know exactly how stupid that is. Just let people enjoy what they want, not everything is made for everyone.

Feb 18, 2021 9:21 AM

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Hating on vtubers is a a trend now, particularly EN vtubers, they're cancer to the community

Feb 20, 2021 12:48 PM

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I dont really get Vtubers. I really tried getting into them, watching multiple different ones, but try as I might I just kept cringing. No hate to anyone who is into it,for some reason I just can't help but feel that simping and actually donating money to these people is kind of sad.

Feb 21, 2021 12:11 AM

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mcbignuts said:
I dont really get Vtubers. I really tried getting into them, watching multiple different ones, but try as I might I just kept cringing. No hate to anyone who is into it,for some reason I just can't help but feel that simping and actually donating money to these people is kind of sad.

well as kevin guy above said, not everything is made for everyone. Normal people might see those who spend most of their time watching anime have sad life, and even sadder for those who watching vtubers. Nothing strange, that's just how it is.

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Feb 21, 2021 4:08 AM

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They just hate something popular

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Mar 4, 2021 7:51 AM

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I wouldn't say I hate them, but just isn't my thing. They're basically the same as any other girl streamer out there (i see it like that) but instead of most girl streamers using their body to attract simps, them being 2d and attracts another type of simps

Mar 30, 2021 8:21 AM

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Calvita

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because some vtuber fans are really annoying

Apr 1, 2021 7:29 AM

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Because how this shit cringe ONA higher than attack on titan season 1 and jojo part 4

Apr 1, 2021 12:13 PM

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Cuz they are mega cringe.

Apr 1, 2021 6:17 PM

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akumetsu_F1

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yanderesarehawt said:
Cuz they are mega cringe.

Lol, look in the mirror anime boy. You are cringe. xD

Vtubers are literally just people using anime avatars instead of showing their face.

Apr 2, 2021 5:44 AM

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ridho_strife

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Cuz hating on current trend is a thing

Pain desu

Apr 2, 2021 8:04 AM

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Arkaisen said:
From my own personal experience I think it's just for the sheer fact of how superficial and fake it come off as. When people watch a live stream they want to see a rl person behind the camera not some 3d avatars. From a vtubers perspective it gives them that creative freedom where they normally wouldn't be able to express if say they show their real face. As OP stated it's fine to dislike some but to dislike all of them is farfetched. There are some that are actually entertaining, very good artist, etc

yeah, i agree with you. personally i like a lot of the hololive vtubers and the idea of "vtubing" in general is just a way of people to express themselves online without getting too personal. i dont watch the streams bc im not that crazy for vtubers (some people are simping really hard for them, nothing wrong with that necessarily), but watching clips or some enjoyable parts from their streams is fun.
some of them got some really great personalities and a lot of production value, mainly hololive jp for me.

Apr 2, 2021 8:14 AM

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@MeNombreJeff are you a fan of vtubers or currently watching one that you like?

Apr 2, 2021 1:09 PM

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@MeNombreJeff are you a fan of vtubers or currently watching one that you like?

yeah i mostly watch hololive but i also like pikamee and tomoshika from voms and pochi. i think my favs rn are pochi, marine and reine

Apr 2, 2021 2:39 PM

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I am one of those that dislikes pretty much everything VTuber, so here is a completely honest answer:

1 - VTubers feel hollow:
The main draw of most content creators is either their content, persona, or a mix of both. In every case I've found that a VTuber Avatar either distracts from the content, or detracts from their person. It doesn't convey any more emotion than their voice inflection does on its own, so the Avatar feels unnecessary. The Avatar's reactions (even for the best ones) always seem robotic and off-putting, and have an uncanny valley effect. I have yet to find one that doesn't feel empty and they are, from a computer science perspective, only an imitation of the creator.

There is just no way for a 2d image to have the same emotional impact as a real human face, the human connection is, in my view, one of the most important parts in creating a good experience. I also find just Audio to be much more engaging without the digital Avatar.

2 - They feel gimmicky and half-assed, even if they aren't:
Even though the Avatars can cost thousands of dollars, and that the time and effort to create, set-up, and manage them can be great, they still feel cheap and low effort when watching them. It's hard to get past the "Instagram Filter" idea when watching them, which makes the content feel cheaper as if less effort was put in to making it.

My first experience with a VTuber was seeing ShinobiNeon on Twitch (A Samurai Cat Avatar) and thought it was unique and clever, my interest didn't go beyond the novelty. So when the trend exploded on Youtube the novelty had long worn off and it was more of an annoyance than anything else. Content that I might have enjoyed on first glance felt gimmicky.

3 - Bad VTubers create resentment:
I don't think anyone would disagree that there are A LOT of terrible VTubers out there. Just having a digital Avatar doesn't make you a good content creator.

There was an audio only Twitch streamer I loved watching that decided to get a Digital Avatar. I opened their stream one day to find this giant Avatar taking up half their screen, and it ruined the experience. I couldn't see the game, and they Avatar they chose was a 14 year old boy and they made it purposefully trying to be attractive (loli-boy), it made feel feel gross. I had similar experiences with other VTubers and would rather simply avoid them all, even if there are some I would enjoy.

When you have a bad experience with a person, you associate it with that person. VTubers aren't just a person, it's them combined with the digital front, so a bad experience with one VTuber is far more likely creates a negative association with VTubing in general.

The large amount of terrible VTubers are creating this negative association, which is why I think a lot of people really hate them. Would you be an anime fan if 99% of anime wasn't just bad, but actively made you feel uncomfortable? It's not worth sifting through the garbage to find those few VTubers who are fantastic.

Overall, if you like VTubers, cool, you do you. As for me, I'd love nothing more than to put them all in the recycling bin and right-click delete.

Apr 3, 2021 5:10 AM

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MeNombreJeff said:

Arkaisen said:
@MeNombreJeff are you a fan of vtubers or currently watching one that you like?

yeah i mostly watch hololive but i also like pikamee and tomoshika from voms and pochi. i think my favs rn are pochi, marine and reine

Nice. I've been watching Inugami Korone, Haachama, and Kiryu Coco.

Apr 3, 2021 12:59 PM

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Arkaisen said:

MeNombreJeff said:

yeah i mostly watch hololive but i also like pikamee and tomoshika from voms and pochi. i think my favs rn are pochi, marine and reine

Nice. I've been watching Inugami Korone, Haachama, and Kiryu Coco.

those are some top tier vtubers, if you're into "multi-language type" vtubers who also speak english i can recommend you holoID members like reine or ollie

Apr 3, 2021 1:01 PM

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I do not believe in hating vtubers, but I do not believe in financially supporting millionares.

Apr 3, 2021 1:34 PM

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I don't hate V-tubers. I hate the company known as Hololive.

Apr 5, 2021 6:14 AM

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I think everyone has their pet peeve (or something they dislike in general) with/without a reason. Of course, vtubers could be one of those things. I can't speak for myself, since I don't necessarily have a problem with them (albeit there are a few that I dislike.)

Personally, I hate the community surrouding the vtubers more than the actual content creators for obvious reasons. It's a cespool of obnoxious, over-the-top fans, simps and other negative adjectives, that is to say obviously not every single fan is like this.

Last but not least is this ONA. I couldn't (and shouldn't) care less about the rating of this, but I don't understand how this deserves a rating that's higher than 6.

I don't know what else to type in here, everyone is entitled to have an opinion, whether it's negative or positive.

Apr 5, 2021 8:10 AM

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akumetsu_F1 said:

yanderesarehawt said:
Cuz they are mega cringe.

Lol, look in the mirror anime boy. You are cringe. xD

Vtubers are literally just people using anime avatars instead of showing their face.

they aren't talking about their faces and shit being cringe. whatever they do during those livestreams is cringe hololive fanboy.

Apr 5, 2021 8:10 AM

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I hate maths because I don't understand..

Apr 5, 2021 12:06 PM

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Kursan

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Who disslike vtuber is who dont know about them

Apr 5, 2021 3:05 PM

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I think it's more about people hate hololive or not rather than vtubers in general, me doesn't care either way.

Apr 5, 2021 3:19 PM

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VTuber culture can be described as the epitome of the otaku-esque culture and audiovisual aesthetic, which may strike outsiders as too niche, repetitive, and frankly quite annoying.

Apr 12, 2021 11:09 AM

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I don't know ... I think it's a great possibility to have an avatar as a youtuber that represents you (or makes a label for you) and to protect your privacy at the same time.

But it's really something you must get used to, I think, that's true. Anyway, I don't really care about youtubers anyway and so I also don't get the appeal of these shorts.

Apr 13, 2021 11:31 AM

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KultureVulture said:
1 - VTubers feel hollow:
The main draw of most content creators is either their content, persona, or a mix of both. In every case I've found that a VTuber Avatar either distracts from the content, or detracts from their person. It doesn't convey any more emotion than their voice inflection does on its own, so the Avatar feels unnecessary. The Avatar's reactions (even for the best ones) always seem robotic and off-putting, and have an uncanny valley effect. I have yet to find one that doesn't feel empty and they are, from a computer science perspective, only an imitation of the creator.

There is just no way for a 2d image to have the same emotional impact as a real human face, the human connection is, in my view, one of the most important parts in creating a good experience. I also find just Audio to be much more engaging without the digital Avatar.

First of all, what do you even expect from our today virtual technology? This ain't 2077. Go back to the future where you live.

Secondly, for a 2D image, yes. There is thousands of emotional image that can express the same or better than a normal human face does. A cute picture or a video can make your day even better.

And I don't think an Avatar can cost a thousand, now you can search on Steam for a VTuber maker for 8 dollars or on mobile phone for free and you only need is a painting of the character and customize it (maybe you have to purchase some subscribtions).

Thirdly, the 14-year old boy you said. I assumed he doesn't have any experience of streaming properly or he just wanted to be banned or something.

Fourth, the person who is an anime fan of 99% anime wasn't just bad, but it feels uncomfortable? No. One, that person has no taste in anime, maybe him/her/they prefer K-pop than anime. Two, that wouldn't be possible for a person is an anime fan that feel uncomfortable to every genres.

Fifth, "you have a bad experience with a person, you associate with.."? What kind of idiot experienced a bad one which he/she/they knew that was bad, wanted to be associated, I assumed? And what is the point you made when you said that a bad experience VTubers make negative associate? Content? Appealing? Popularity? Or your perspective?

(Disclaimer: I don't offend any individuals or groups, and I don't want to ignite a war, this is just my opinion)

Apr 13, 2021 11:35 PM

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i like some of them but don't like others not really hate them but the reason is they are cringe af like those assh*les who act like a baby, crying like a baby, speak like a baby, pant like a dog which i found disgusting, some of them even act like an "Anime Girls" and that is what CRINGE AF they aren't anime characters but only an actors/actresses for a virtual characters

Apr 13, 2021 11:36 PM

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I don't hate V-tubers. I hate the company known as Hololive.

why u hate them??????

Apr 13, 2021 11:38 PM

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akumetsu_F1 said:

yanderesarehawt said:
Cuz they are mega cringe.

Lol, look in the mirror anime boy. You are cringe. xD

Vtubers are literally just people using anime avatars instead of showing their face.

bruh they are cringe cuz they always trying to act cute like an anime girl, that is CRINGE AF

Apr 13, 2021 11:41 PM

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