Wonder Egg Priority Episode 10 Discussion

Atrabilaire said:
Am I the only one that thinks the show started pretty strong but has been treading water for the last couple of episodes? It feels like they have a message they're trying to convey but they're not sure how so they're sort of throwing stuff at this point and hoping we'll care enough about the characters to sit through it. This show could be a lot tighter and more focused. Props for finally committing to the trans thing and for sort of going to the point during this episode though.

Kosmonaut said:
Well, I also think it makes sense, that's why I suggested it :v It's still only a possible interpretation of what has happened so far.

I mean, to me, by pitting Eros and Thanatos against one another, it's abiding exactly by the life instinct and the death instinct theory. It would explain, also, the 'allure of death' the Accas talk about, since the wish for death (akin to the id), in this freudian theory, is present in every person, however Eros (born from the ego) is a force that balances out our death instincts and keeps them at bay. Thanatos directed towards the Other breeds violence, hatred. Thanatos directed towards the Self breeds self-harm, self-hatred, trauma lingering and other destructive behaviors.

So, in a sense, Thanatos (not the god) is the cause of the eggs' suicide and the 4 girls, fighting, bonding, living, wanting to keep moving forward, are under the influence of Eros. Eros, what keeps Thanatos, the wish for death, at bay. When Momoe is confronted with the death instinct, trauma, she breaks, because the life instinct she had been nurturing isn't effective anymore. The 'allure' of Thanatos could take her away, as the Accas said, and only Eros could bring her back. Kind of a psychic death. The possibility for death of the old self and rebirth anew, for coming out of one's - egg - shell as a full-fledged and balanced person.

I think it's a pretty solid theory or - if nothing is made sure by the end - a good interpretation. It's kind of 'the power of love/friendship against death/hate' but with a psychoanalytic dressing, but we don't know what they're going to do with it yet. There are only two episodes left, time is running out for any resolution.

TwiggyBraindead said:
Boy,the teacher crept me out. Maybe I am reading too much into it but him comparing Ai to her mom and being like „you’ll be a strong woman like her one day“ kinda feels like he went for her mom because he couldn’t have her? Can’t wait to see how this gets resolved.

schwinging said:


Ehhhhh sure, if biological, but the more I think about it the more I believe Momoe to be a trans girl. So either Kaoru or Momoe should not be here.

TrueDes said:

Momoe is definitely straight, she has no attraction to the same sex. In this episode we see her in love with a boy, and reinforcing how she doesn't want to date other other girls, because she has 0 attraction to them.

I think the far more interesting thing is, when Momoe rips open her shirt, and we see the trans colors on her chest, hidden away, unlike the boy she was saving in the episode, who wore them loud and proud. So what i am thinking Momoe could also be trans, being born a male, but hides the fact that they are trans, because they are not fully comfortable with sharing that yet, and if this is true, I hope we don't get the reveal that they are trans, that doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, they are a girl, and the symbolism is more then enough to get the messaging through, and the ambiguity is something I really like. Although that isn't to say i am against it being stated, just i really like how it was handled this episode personally.

kunieda said:
Kaoru was Momoe's counterpart, as he wasn't able to outwardly affirm himself as a boy (having literally gone through a traumatic event when he sought help with his identity) and so he continues to be categorized solely by his biological sex even in the dream realm. Momoe has been able to live as a girl, but the assumptions of others have made her falter in being assertive about her womanhood. Regardless of the continued misgendering even in death, Kaoru asserts himself as a boy all the same; him doing so and seeing Momo for the girl that she is strengthened both her confidence and resolve.

Momoe's arc has been tricky from the start, but it's definitely worth spending some more time mulling things over for her character (and the couple of key cameos in her story) in particular.

schwinging said:

I'm too a smoothbrain to understand what this reply is for im sorry. Like this is why Kaoru is here despite being a trans man, you mean? Because he is never viewed as a man in reality and that's why he is put here, in this "woman only" place?

sntiago said:





I also thought that might be the case, but if I remember correctly Momo goes to an all girls school and I don't think they would allow a trans person that isnt out/transitioned yet. If she's hiding the fact that she was born a man, then I think it's really strange how she's not doing everything she can to pass, since shes already transitioned. If she's hiding the fact that she wants be a girl but hasn't transitioned yet (still wearing mens clothes, short hair) then how come she goes to a girls school if, to other people ,she's a man?


My interpretation of her character is that she's just a butch woman that wants to be recognized as a woman. Butch women in the lesbian community often get mistaken as men by other people (especially in the bathroom, butch women get harrassed in womens bathrooms more than trans women) and they had to fight to have butch presentation be recognized as a valid subsection of womanhood and not an imitation of straight men.

UkRs said:
A kiss between 2 girls? hot.. but whats more hotter? a butterfly heard highschool girl eating a crocodile..
but seriously.. i kinda feel bad for Kaouru.. the fact that they showed actual assault on her... damn..

k0rvus said:
Watching your pet get killed and eaten only to then be forced to eat it is a strong contender for the most fucked up thing I've ever seen happen in an anime.

Rahkshilord said:
I would say that, given the very limited information of one episode, that his trauma probably interfered with his own ability to identify as male. Or to put it another way, they committed suicide because they were biologically female, and thus ended up in the egg world because they never really accepted that they were male, due to the trauma of their past.

taking things at face value in this show isn't gonna lend itself well to understanding it, you gotta think about it a bit to get what it's saying before you make a knee jerk reaction.

imboredsaveme said:
i really loved the yrans represantation and the fact that they were all respecting the dudes pronouns, but isnt it a bit transphobic that he got put in a place where only girls can?
(the ptrans flag colours on the jacket were such an amizing detail)

SomeNewGuy said:


Thanatos resembles death and suffering while Eros resembles surival, prosperity and pleasure.

The girls are warriors of Eros, confronting Thanatos in the egg dreams, Thanatos which is the monsters which haunts the egg girls. In every egg dream the girls ultimately defeat Thanatos (the monsters).

There is a problem with this though, which is that Eros cannot exist without Thanatos. Because they are opposites and gives each other meaning. Suffering gives meaning to the pursue of pleasure. Death gives meaning to the pursue of survival and prosperity.

This means that Eros and Thanatos has to co-exist with each other. You see how the egg dreams the girls have only become more and more dangerous and difficult. Thanatos is actually never defeated and can never be. The girls will continue to face Thanatos until they ultimately face death. As the saying goes, "You can never defeat death".





In reality, the girls are not warriors. They are martyrs, they just haven't figured it all out yet.

The girls are stuck in marthyrdom, the desire of being a martyr for their own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it either feeds a psychical need or a desire to avoid responsibility. In this case it could be because of problematic private and social lifes.

Marthyrdom which is the explaination to girls suicides. or "Innocent sorrow" as Neirus friend Kotobuki puts it when she is questioned about the "temptation of death".



This is what the Accas keep hidden and don't want the 4 girls to know.

Because if the girls knew they were being taken advantage of because of their weak/broken psyche, being used as sacrifices (or "warriors of Eros" as they put it), they would refuse to enter anymore egg dreams and instead fight against the Accas themselves.

Because the Accas are actively encouraging the girls to purchase eggs and fight Thanatos in the dreams. Encouraging the girls to risk their own lifes until they ultimately face death. Because as mentioned earlier "You cannot defeat death".


To make things simple. The girls needs to accept the death of their loves ones and acknowledge the existance of Thanatos and not try to fight against him. Only then can they achieve balance in life and move on. Because without Thanatos, there can be no Eros. Only with Thanatos, Eros can exist.

As for marthyrdom itself. I believe in society it's an issue not only, but most commonly observed in women. Most likely this is why there are only girls in the anime and almost no boys as the anime is trying to highlight this problem and create awareness of it.