Attack on Titan
Sad7727 said: I read it, and I still stand for what I said. I don't think that a certain artistic choice has to be a rule just because it is used in 90% of cases in a certain genre or type of series. Nostalgik said: I've seen that type of criticism back in December. It's a fair enough point, but I personally don't agree with it. Why would they want to get the color contrast closer to Wit's? Part of why this season is amazing is that we now have the whole scope of the real world - the palette is more grounded, as well as the shading and contrasts. Wit's contrast is something you don't see in many anime - it gives off a Fairy Tail-ish vibe, which was awesome because back then even us as the audience were still discovering the truth of the world along with the characters, and questioning ourselves about the origin of the titans, the religious groups inside the walls, the mystical powers of shifters, etc. It totally makes sense to ground the series in every way, including in the color palette and contrasts imo. Also, the fact that that person is actually trying to convince MAPPA to make changes to their production choices through tweets is kinda sad tbh, very naive imo he is not saying the contrast should be WIT levels,he is comparing it with them because they're the ones who did the previous seasons. as for the dark mood/grounded he already discussed your point in the first edit Like I totally get he'd like to have a more somber look to this season but in the end he is treating it as if MAPPA made an objective professional mistake, when in the end this is not mathematics with a clear, irrevocable answer. EDIT: Also, I kinda feel bad for replying to you in the first place, since you are a new account made to rate FMAB a 10 and AoT a 1/10. Really sad, as your name indicates. |
NostalgikFeb 21, 2021 7:20 AM
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BigBadonkerTrap said: Actually, being a big part of culture is the biggest thing that they could achieve. For example, a certain work worth million dollars but its only last couple years then the hype going down or even worse never talked anymore is the sign that certain work is bad. Or to be precise not memorable. There's something regarding to economy psychology which explains about it but too bad i'm really bad on economy in high school so i cant explain. But, being remembered by peoples for really long time is almost priceless and hard. It's just like this, when peoples do really forget what anime is but with some reason there's one or two talking about "Bro, remember Attack on Titan/One Piece/Naruto when those kind of shows were still exist, ah, good ol' days" is something really... great you know. It's better than nothing, but I would argue that breaking manga sales records and being the highest grossing anime movie of all time is an even bigge contribution. And what I've heard from Japan is that Demon Slayer made a real significant impact on the culture there, even going beyond the boundaries of internet forums. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Nostalgik said: Sad7727 said: I read it, and I still stand for what I said. I don't think that a certain artistic choice has to be a rule just because it is used in 90% of cases in a certain genre or type of series. he is not saying the contrast should be WIT levels,he is comparing it with them because they're the ones who did the previous seasons. as for the dark mood/grounded he already discussed your point in the first edit Like I totally get he'd like to have a more somber look to this season but in the end he is treating it as if MAPPA made an objective professional mistake, when in the end this is not mathematics with a clear, irrevocable answer. EDIT: Also, I kinda feel bad for replying to you in the first place, since you are a new account made to rate FMAB a 10 and AoT a 1/10. Really sad, as your name indicates. its not a rule but there is semblance of objectivity,you don't put very bright colors and happy OST in a sad scene,it might be great for some people but it'll take most people back. but you're correct that its mostly subjective what they're doing,im siding with the guy though. about your edit,my ratings i've done so because its funny seeing "RATING JUST DROPPED 0.001 STOP PLEASE" , you also conveniently ignored my ratings of 10 to S3P2 and the manga lol. keep checking people profiles for ratings though,it'd really solidify your arguments in ur mind. |
BigBadonkerTrap said: FMmatron said: It's better than nothing, but I would argue that breaking manga sales records and being the highest grossing anime movie of all time is an even bigge contribution. And what I've heard from Japan is that Demon Slayer made a real significant impact on the culture there, even going beyond the boundaries of internet forums. Yes i do realize that, but the point is if i remember correctly AoT has done that too in past. So, it's just about how long AoT could last. With this popularity, AoT-BNHA-(insert one more, most likely KnY) probably is going to be next Big 3 as most memorable and impactful works. Not to that extent, but someone can correct me on that. The only aspect where AoT truly exceeded everything else is online presence and hype, especially now that the series is coming to an end. One aspect in particular that should be noted here is the timing of it's release. AoT conveniently had it's debut and several new installments during times of social media boom and growing online communities. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Sad7727 said: Yeah of course, i totally understand the guy and whoever agrees with him.Nostalgik said: I read it, and I still stand for what I said. I don't think that a certain artistic choice has to be a rule just because it is used in 90% of cases in a certain genre or type of series. Like I totally get he'd like to have a more somber look to this season but in the end he is treating it as if MAPPA made an objective professional mistake, when in the end this is not mathematics with a clear, irrevocable answer. EDIT: Also, I kinda feel bad for replying to you in the first place, since you are a new account made to rate FMAB a 10 and AoT a 1/10. Really sad, as your name indicates. its not a rule but there is semblance of objectivity,you don't put very bright colors and happy OST in a sad scene,it might be great for some people but it'll take most people back. but you're correct that its mostly subjective what they're doing,im siding with the guy though. about your edit,my ratings i've done so because its funny seeing "RATING JUST DROPPED 0.001 STOP PLEASE" , you also conveniently ignored my ratings of 10 to S3P2 and the manga lol. keep checking people profiles for ratings though,it'd really solidify your arguments in ur mind. Ok so your theory is "I'm just gonna throw wood to the fire that's already set" to make it seem like you're not being part of the problem. I didn't ignore your other ratings, my gripe is not if you like AoT in general, S3pt2, S4, or FMAB, it really doesn't matter. The point is: basically your only ratings in that account were picked to prepetuate the flame wars that are already insufferable in this website, and I won't ever understand why someone would find that amusing. Also, yeah, it's nice and informative to check out the profiles of people on MAL to know their tastes and rough opinions, this is basically a social media for weebs after all, and I especially enjoy seeing the profile of the person I'm having a conversation with. I was just kinda disappointed that I was having a decent conversation with someone who is feeding a toxic flame war in the community. |
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FMmatron said: BigBadonkerTrap said: Yes i do realize that, but the point is if i remember correctly AoT has done that too in past. So, it's just about how long AoT could last. With this popularity, AoT-BNHA-(insert one more, most likely KnY) probably is going to be next Big 3 as most memorable and impactful works. Not to that extent, but someone can correct me on that. The only aspect where AoT truly exceeded everything else is online presence and hype, especially now that the series is coming to an end. One aspect in particular that should be noted here is the timing of it's release. AoT conveniently had it's debut and several new installments during times of social media boom and growing online communities. this is due to massive growth of anime on the west,and also social media. you can see how the anime subreddit was like 300k in 2015 and now it sits at 2.2million. along with social media. it'll most likely keep growing and there would be more of this hype to other shows at this rate. its no longer a "nerdy" thing to do. just like gaming at first |
Sad7727 said: FMmatron said: Not to that extent, but someone can correct me on that. The only aspect where AoT truly exceeded everything else is online presence and hype, especially now that the series is coming to an end. One aspect in particular that should be noted here is the timing of it's release. AoT conveniently had it's debut and several new installments during times of social media boom and growing online communities. this is due to massive growth of anime,and also social media. you can see how the anime subreddit was like 300k in 2015 and now it sits at 2.2million. along with social media. it'll most likely keep growing and there would be more of this hype to other shows at this rate. Yeah, that's what I meant as well with social media boom and growing online communities. You notice the impact also on other anime and their members on MAL. Over the last few years numbers have skyrocketed. Every other show has 100K and over 60 got even 1M. Back in 2016 only Death Note and AoT had broken this milestone. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Nostalgik said: Sad7727 said: Yeah of course, i totally understand the guy and whoever agrees with him.its not a rule but there is semblance of objectivity,you don't put very bright colors and happy OST in a sad scene,it might be great for some people but it'll take most people back. but you're correct that its mostly subjective what they're doing,im siding with the guy though. about your edit,my ratings i've done so because its funny seeing "RATING JUST DROPPED 0.001 STOP PLEASE" , you also conveniently ignored my ratings of 10 to S3P2 and the manga lol. keep checking people profiles for ratings though,it'd really solidify your arguments in ur mind. Ok so your theory is "I'm just gonna throw wood to the fire that's already set" to make it seem like you're not being part of the problem. I didn't ignore your other ratings, my gripe is not if you like AoT in general, S3pt2, S4, or FMAB, it really doesn't matter. The point is: basically your only ratings in that account were picked to prepetuate the flame wars that are already insufferable in this website, and I won't ever understand why someone would find that amusing. Also, yeah, it's nice and informative to check out the profiles of people on MAL to know their tastes and rough opinions, this is basically a social media for weebs after all, and I especially enjoy seeing the profile of the person I'm having a conversation with. I was just kinda disappointed that I was having a decent conversation with someone who is feeding a toxic flame war in the community. i never used MAL before AOT S4 ,and to be honest i never watched FMAB lol nor am i willing to in the near future. its amusing because they get angry at imaginary number of a series they don't have any stakes in of it being popular. you gave AOT a 9 as well despite it still airing, so i can say the same to you really.not that i care if you rate it 10 or not. if i were to rate it honestly i'd put it at 5/10 or a 4/10 (6/10 at best), keep in mind i don't take story into it because its the same as the manga and the manga is rated as 10. im rating the anime for animation and OST. both which in my opinion it failed to my eyes and ears. if you only go into conversations with people who rate the same as you do,that's pretty...echochambery. not that i mind its your choice. |
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Zeroflamez said: lmao facts the only time I hear about aot its a thread with 150+ posts and every response is crying about some shit smfhGood god all you guys do is fucking complain. |
Sad7727 said: So you are contributing with a rating for something you didn't even watch? You say it's amusing to see people get angry at imaginary numbers, which is honestly the core of the problem, you're a flamer at heart.Nostalgik said: Yeah of course, i totally understand the guy and whoever agrees with him. Ok so your theory is "I'm just gonna throw wood to the fire that's already set" to make it seem like you're not being part of the problem. I didn't ignore your other ratings, my gripe is not if you like AoT in general, S3pt2, S4, or FMAB, it really doesn't matter. The point is: basically your only ratings in that account were picked to prepetuate the flame wars that are already insufferable in this website, and I won't ever understand why someone would find that amusing. Also, yeah, it's nice and informative to check out the profiles of people on MAL to know their tastes and rough opinions, this is basically a social media for weebs after all, and I especially enjoy seeing the profile of the person I'm having a conversation with. I was just kinda disappointed that I was having a decent conversation with someone who is feeding a toxic flame war in the community. i never used MAL before AOT S4 ,and to be honest i never watched FMAB lol nor am i willing to in the near future. its amusing because they get angry at imaginary number of a series they don't have any stakes in of it being popular. you gave AOT a 9 as well despite it still airing, so i can say the same to you really.not that i care if you rate it 10 or not. if i were to rate it honestly i'd put it at 5/10 or a 4/10 (6/10 at best), keep in mind i don't take story into it because its the same as the manga and the manga is rated as 10. im rating the anime for animation and OST. both which in my opinion it failed to my eyes and ears. if you only go into conversations with people who rate the same as you do,that's pretty...echochambery. not that i mind its your choice. And that one was hilarious, you criticizing people for rating a show while it's airing when.... that's kinda one of the points of this website? Also all this while you're rating the show with a score that you yourself admit is not even what you'd fairly rate it. Wish you the best and I hope you find entertainment you actually appreciate, like, idk, if animation and OST is what constitutes most of your score choices, then watch something like FMAB. At least that way your 10 may turn out to be legit. |
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Omertaskaya said: Jeez. Do people really take Crunchyroll Awards seriously ? Yeah, okay then let's see; Jujutsu Kaisen: 1 AOTY award Attack on Titan: Broke millions of other records which is a lot more notable than Crunchyroll. Sure... Well, AoT actually has an AOTY with weight https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-03-22/the-wind-rises-attack-on-titan-win-at-tokyo-anime-award-festival |
| Cry more. This adaptation is incredible. |
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| @Sad7727 Thanks for the link to the reddit post, I haven't seen it before. I fully subscribe to what is said there: "Calling everyone who criticizes the show 'toxic' is cringe af and a lot of people here have been strawmanning the shit out of critics or forcing the they're not real fans shit. We shouldn't harass the animators, that much should be obvious. Animators are overworked and underpaid. But please stop pushing the 'we should be thankful' or 'at least we're getting something'." |
badmintona said: GoZha said: MAPPA is doing their best with the production schedule they have People like you are the reason why AOT s4 sucks. People like you are the reason why the AOT fandom sucks. |
Progyan said: SoranoCloud said: You really belive that AoT should get special treatment lmao what a joke . It's already beautiful, I don't even understand most of the complains about this season Yeah, I do think JJK fans are lucky. Back when the first few episodes of AOT season 4 aired and I felt utterly disappointed (ep 2, I’m looking at you), I watched several of the first episodes of JJK to see what the hype was about. I admit I didn’t care much about JJK’s story and characters, it looked like a typical shounen for me (maybe gets better later, idk) and I’m not particularly into this kind of stuff. But man, the animation quality was obviously head and shoulders above what we are currently getting in AOT season 4. I couldn’t but help imagining what if AOT got the same treatment as JJK, and this made me feel horribly jealous. Ok, AOT does have a more interesting plot, but how on earth does this mean that it does not have to be beautifully animated? To me it’s quite the reverse. It’s a masterpiece and it should be treated as such. Without the afterglow of the previous anime seasons, that had both the story AND the animation, I think we would be talking of a Berserk 2016 reincarnation now. What has drawn crowds into AOT fandom during the first season, was definitely the good look of the show, because back there was no telling yet, for anime onlies especially, about how great the plot was going to be. I mean, if animation quality does not matter, why bother with it, when you can have the plot from reading the manga? Maybe JJK does not reach the perfection of Arifumi Imai’s best scenes (except for the JJK’s opening which is really smooth), but it’s glaringly obvious that it’s more carefully and consistently made compared to AOT season 4. It’s really painful for me to see the best parts of the AOT manga suffer from bad animation. I know that MAPPA’s crew are working in a terrible timeframe, but this doesn’t change the fact that the final product is disappointing. That being said, after reflecting on the latest manga chapters, I cannot wholeheartedly blame the publisher or whoever made the decision to release the final season now at whatever cost. At the time when manga is going to go out with a bang (yeah, I do believe so), to have no anime airing would be like killing a hen that lays gold eggs. So I can understand that from business point of view. For people who are going to repeat that AOT season 4 animation is as good as JJK’s, I suggest you have a look at these two articles at the Sakuga blog: Sakugabooru Animation Awards 2020 https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2020/12/31/sakugabooru-animation-awards-2020/ (count the number of JJK and AOT mentions) Winter 2021 Anime Overview And The State Of The Anime Industry https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/01/24/winter-2021-anime-overview/ I think they make things quite clear. Btw, there are quite a few articles on AOT’s previous seasons as well, there were some local catastrophes production-wise too (season 2 final episodes), so that is not to say that WIT’s output was always ideal too. Agreed on this season being beautiful despite the limitations imposed on the studio. That's not to say that what the higher ups did is at all ok, it's not and MAPPA still pulling through doesn't give the executives a free pass on being greedy and rushing out a season that deserved more time. But yeah other than the CGI I wonder sometimes if I'm watching the same show as these complainers. Complaints like shitty character designs, poor animation, bad color palette, etc. I respect their opinions but I couldn't disagree more. |
ScottMericaFeb 21, 2021 7:24 PM
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deg said: reminder Yabuta (the director of the pre-animated PV of the final season) tweeted this And there is no big difference in rewards depending on the title. (At least there is no difference to overturn the motivation of animators.) So animators often choose titles to be involved for reasons other than rewards. https://twitter.com/yabshu55/status/1352367731509628929 and i bet those animators are looking for better production schedule since the money reward are not that much different even for super animators blame the production committee for they decide the production schedule and airing date Wwow, animator can choose their own project, am I hearing it wrong? Is this Japan? |
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ScottMerica said: Progyan said: You really belive that AoT should get special treatment lmao what a joke . It's already beautiful, I don't even understand most of the complains about this season Agreed on this season being beautiful despite the limitations imposed on the studio. That's not to say that what the higher ups did is at all ok, it's not and MAPPA still pulling through doesn't give the executives a free pass on being greedy and rushing out a season that deserved more time. But yeah other than the CGI I wonder sometimes if I'm watching the same show as these complainers. Complaints like shitty character designs, poor animation, bad color palette, etc. I respect their opinions but I couldn't disagree more. I don't personally either. Aside from some CGI moments in Episode 6, and the occasional poor character model, which can be touched up on the Blu Ray release, the art and animation throughout this season has been at least competent and at times, fantastic. Today's episode had background scenery reminiscent of WiT's. The quality was very good. |
| Why is Jujutsu Kaisen the main project compared to AOT? AOT has a bigger following, and it doesnt help that Jujutsu Kaisen is hot garbage. |
Dhaarok said: Why is Jujutsu Kaisen the main project compared to AOT? AOT has a bigger following, and it doesnt help that Jujutsu Kaisen is hot garbage. Because AOT is nearly done. Why would they invest resources into a series that's about to finish its run? Not only that but JuJutsu Kaisen is still fairly new (manga is only 3 years old next month) and it still has plenty of room to grow. AoT has no more room left to grow. Where it's at now is where it's going to remain. 20m said: Zeroflamez said: lmao facts the only time I hear about aot its a thread with 150+ posts and every response is crying about some shit smfhGood god all you guys do is fucking complain. Cause this is all they do. They've been doing it since 2013. Except back then it was 150+ posts bragging about how good the animation was and how AoT was the greatest anime ever. The community drove me nuts back then and it drives me nuts now. I just can't wait until it's all over and finished so I don't have to hear from them forever. |
| Become a Jujutsu fan and enjoy, easy as that. |
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| thanks to the OP i was disappointed in jjk e19 :/ |
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Nik03178 said: MappaPrefersJJK said: Hahaha let's gooo Mappa really did a great job in raising a generic ass manga look good. But the happiness ends there because it has subpar plot and trash characters which are piss poor copies of characters in naruto and hxh. Poor dude makes an entire account saying mappa prefers jjk as the smoke comes out of his ass while looking at tremendous success of AOT despite normal animation without sakuga lmao. Another triggered fanboy, lmao I'm sure you were breathing hard, sweating and crying like a idiot behind your screen when you were writing your comment. |
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Nik03178 said: MappaPrefersJJK said: Hahaha let's gooo Mappa really did a great job in raising a generic ass manga look good. But the happiness ends there because it has subpar plot and trash characters which are piss poor copies of characters in naruto and hxh. Poor dude makes an entire account saying mappa prefers jjk as the smoke comes out of his ass while looking at tremendous success of AOT despite normal animation without sakuga lmao. Yeah, S1-S3 totally had no sakuga whatsoever ๐ Vayetse said: Nik03178 said: Mappa really did a great job in raising a generic ass manga look good. But the happiness ends there because it has subpar plot and trash characters which are piss poor copies of characters in naruto and hxh. Poor dude makes an entire account saying mappa prefers jjk as the smoke comes out of his ass while looking at tremendous success of AOT despite normal animation without sakuga lmao. Another triggered fanboy, lmao I'm sure you were breathing hard, sweating and crying like a idiot behind your screen when you were writing your comment. Bro, he came back 20 minutes later to quote the same post again He must be fuming for real |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: Nik03178 said: Mappa really did a great job in raising a generic ass manga look good. But the happiness ends there because it has subpar plot and trash characters which are piss poor copies of characters in naruto and hxh. Poor dude makes an entire account saying mappa prefers jjk as the smoke comes out of his ass while looking at tremendous success of AOT despite normal animation without sakuga lmao. Yeah, S1-S3 totally had no sakuga whatsoever ๐ Vayetse said: Another triggered fanboy, lmao I'm sure you were breathing hard, sweating and crying like a idiot behind your screen when you were writing your comment. Bro, he came back 20 minutes later to quote the same post again He must be fuming for real And I wasn't even bashing AOT in that post, he could have just left a comment on my profile to vent his frustration instead of embarrassing himself like that in front of everyone. |
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| I really don't see the issue with the production values of AoT, the show looks perfectly good. And it's obvious why they would focus more on Jujutsu's quality the same way they will do for Chainsawman when it comes out: those manga have the potential to become extremely popular (Jujutsu exploded with the anime, Chainsaw already sells like crazy and when the anime airs it will reach legendary status). AoT already has a massive established fanbase and people are gonna read/watch the series anyways just by other people hyping it through all those years, there is no reason to put more focus than needed over the new series with lots of selling potential that welcome the extra push of having really high production values to make the chain of people hyping it to others move faster. And repeating what I said at the start: AoT looks perfectly good, I don't think MAPPA is doing any disservice to it. |
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tarun2365 said: FMmatron said: AoT had it's moment of greatness and at one point(hopefully after Shibuya Incident) the quality in Jujutsu will drop hard as well. That said, AoT fans are overall still damn lucky. Just look at One Piece and be grateful for what you have. I think you can't compare One piece animation with AOT or JJK, cause the latter are seasonal animes. True that AOT has its last season and JJK is all hyped up cause its fresh, that's why the animation difference. But I think if AOT production committee would have given it more time, its animation would have been as good as JJK too. Nevertheless, as fans, it feels bad that the final season animation didn't turn out to our expectations. Being non seasonal is precisely the reason why I think the fans are lucky. Of course I'm understanding of the situation of One Piece and the reasons for it being long running, but it doesn't miraculously redeem the problems of the anime. Notwithstanding they will be still there. |
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