Attack on Titan
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DeadlyRavenJan 19, 2021 8:12 AM
| The CGI was fine. People over-exaggerate. |
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should we really keep praising MAPPA or this same mediocre adaptation and overworking condition of their staff will keep on happening? i recently happen to read this argument and it applies to the whole Anime Industry as a capitalist or business, the same mistake of mediocre adaptation and overworking of their staff will happen if fans blindly praise this people especially the executives or upper management of MAPPA and the production committee do you agree? but ye never harass the ordinary workers or staff of MAPPA and any other studios for that matter since ultimately they do not have the final decisions on big decisions its always the upper management or executives that have those |
| Can't belive the mods had to intervene, locking so many threads. Congratulations guys we reached a new level of toxicity. |
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deg said: should we really keep praising MAPPA or this same mediocre adaptation and overworking condition of their staff will keep on happening? i recently happen to read this argument and it applies to the whole Anime Industry as a capitalist or business, the same mistake of mediocre adaptation and overworking of their staff will happen if fans blindly praise this people especially the executives or upper management of MAPPA and the production committee do you agree? but ye never harass the ordinary workers or staff of MAPPA and any other studios for that matter since ultimately they do not have the final decisions on big decisions its always the upper management or executives that have those I dont know Deg, mediocre adaptation means the writing, art style, music, sound, acting, cinematography is also mediocre. While only animation and art style have gone from very good/great to just good. By this definition, LOGH got a mediocre adaptation too. As for who to praise or criticize. Praise the team making the season. Criticize the heads of studio and production committee for perpetuating a self destructive system that will collapse anime in Japan in the future if they dont change it. |
| @MAQS well this thread is about animation though so ye the animation part is mediocre for a lot of people and i agree with you to blame the heads of the studio and production committee @DeadlyRaven maybe you should add "Production" to the title besides Animation/CGI/Studio so that even other aspects of production like mediocre sound or music choices can be added same for direction or execution of the anime adaptation |
degJan 19, 2021 8:10 AM
| i think the animation is good but mediocre compared to previous seasons. they improved on the character designs this season though. If we should be thanking anyone, it should be the creative team that put all their tears and hardwork on this even with a horrible schedule and not the company itself. |
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deg said: @DeadlyRaven maybe you should add "Production" to the title besides Animation/CGI/Studio so that even other aspects of production like mediocre sound or music choices can be added same for direction or execution of the anime adaptation Might as well... Thanks. |
| Thank you mods for the based decision. I'd agree that some 3D looked bad and animation is not in the level of season 1-2, but it's not utter shit and we did get some good shots. I don't think muh AoT ruined, and the level of presentation is still better than season 3 for me. The direction is really good and the content is GOATed. Easy 9.5/10 for me |
| Criticizing the anime is apparently hate towards the staff smh |
  Something that’s supposed to die and doesn’t… will eventually rot away , whether it’s a man or a nation |
might as well repost this here since it came from a staff  source https://twitter.com/Spytrue/status/1351461729188913153 get it its fine to criticize them on other places like here on MAL but do not harass their social media accounts my dudes |
| I think its a 7/10 adaptation . Better than the manga ofc but laughably bad at times . The attack titan looks horrible . They should have put more detail into the face of the model . Some shot were good some were bad . The talking episodes are fine if they don't cut content . Inconsistent models and CGI scouts don't make the episode better . The sound director clearly doesn't know what he's doing . |
Something that’s supposed to die and doesn’t… will eventually rot away , whether it’s a man or a nation |
| i was right or anime production history and the sakuga community is right again to show that pre-animated PV is better than the actual TV show although im personally fine with 3DCG but for me they should have gone Full 3DCG with it since at times the visuals switching from 2D and 3D does not blend well compared to other 2D and 3D hybrid anime like Promare movie but ye thats a movie anyway |
| https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/142487 I think this shot is a perfect example of what mappa is capable of. It used CG and blended in some 2D aspects and used the back lighting to hide the janky-ness of the shot which imo is a really good technique and it looked really cool too. Mappa would've been perfect if it did not have a shitty schedule. Yes, part of Mappa as a company is to blame for that but they've done well so far considering the circumstances. |
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DeadlyRaven said: Since people can't behave and keep making thread about these, you can all have a special thread to talk about these topics. This thread will also be heavily moderated. If you can't discuss these in a civil fashion, you will be at risk of receiving a warning of a ban. Please read the Site & Forum Guidelines before posting. Reminder of some rules and rules for this thread:
This is mostly an anime only thread, please use spoiler tags. If someone repeatedly posts spoilers without tags, it will be a trolling rule violation. Here are the Site & Forum Guidelines, the Anime Discussion Rules and the Anime Series Episode Discussion Rules. Want to read the old Rumor & Leaks Thread? You can find it here. All other threads concerning these topics will be either locked, merged or removed. The same goes for all ranting/blog threads. There are plenty of places where you can discuss, there's no need for a new thread every five minutes. Gossiping threads will be removed too. Anything concerning the community being x or y. That's not fair I can't create a poll now. |
| the sakuga community is saying it too https://twitter.com/liborek3/status/1351539703498092546 Can people stop idolizing current M*PP* for one fucking second Don’t harass the staff for their hard work. Don’t praise their employer for achievements and ideology they don’t possess. It’s simple. Studio: we picked this up because other studios didn't want to kill their staff Randos: cool *big naked person is CGi* Half of those randos: wtf ur family should suffer The other half: Please praise the studio that deliberately put themselves in that position every time!!!! |
| My personal opinions on the animation and production: Not a fan of the inconsistent character models, Mikasa looks like four different characters in the span of one episode. Eren also looks very inconsistent at times. They did floch dirty, but that's fine honestly lol. Attack Titan looks really bad in some shots. I don't know how I feel about Levi's design, I need to see more stills to determine. The CGI was expected but not to the extent that they used it. The animation was pretty good for Mikasa vs War Hammer Titan, but the over reliance of the CGI goes to show how strapped for time they are and how rushed this production is. The finally shot of the scouts dancing around the screen and Levi running into the camera was just cringy for me. OST mixing and placements isn't really there forte from the looks of it. Lot of just awkward moments where there is either no music or bad choice. And they really like the PV OST to much. I think the story and voice acting is what is carrying this adaptation. I think a lot of anime onlys are able to look past the faults of the season because it's their first experience with this 10/10 storytelling. I think it's a bit harder to look past the faults if you already know what happens, because at that point you're just judging it based on how it is as an adaptation rather then the whole experience. I greatly appreciate the animators busting there ass to do they best they can in this short amount of time they have to work on it. Considering the schedule, they've done a great job with the short amount of time they have. I just think they could've made it a lot better if they had more time to work on it. So essentially, I appreciate the animators for doing their best, but fuck the mappa executives for dumping this on to there employees and fuck the production committee for not granting them more time to work on it. Considering the circumstances, it's just an average adaptation and definitely a downgrade from the previous seasons. |
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| when i heard that survey corps fight will be CG, i was dissapointed and almost drop this season. and then after i watching the latest episode, i realized that people was overreacting lmao. that survey corps CG fight is too godly. i even can confidently say that MAPPA didnt need Imai for that |
| Basicly cgi is hated in general and i also hate it but i am not one of those guys who can judge the quality of the cgi beacuse not a prof on it or i just dont remember a lot of cgi`s in anime but i dont like it so far and also the faces are weird here and there they changed quite a lot from what i saw in comparisons 2xalso despite not me not liking this series i am actually enjoying this season so far. The last thing i would say is that this show definitely doesnt deserves that score i mean its just hard fanboyism i mean its the same with people giving this 1 but same with 10 too, like bruh even manga is not this high enough its stupid if you ask me but welp. |
VulteDeusJan 19, 2021 9:48 AM
chiearlymorning said: DrkSeid69 said: when i heard that survey corps fight will be CG, i was dissapointed and almost drop this season. and then after i watching the latest episode, i realized that people was overreacting lmao. that survey corps CG fight is too godly. i even can confidently say that MAPPA didnt need Imai for that i say it looks good when they're moving fast but when they do slow movements it looks weird yeah it looks weird for me when they slow. i hope they improve it in blu ray |
| This thread will definitely be civil. CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: Pretty much this. The soundtrack usage is taking me out of the viewing experience more than the animation itself. Although the CG models aren’t that bad for titans, their movements are not at a high enough frame rate and fluid enough to be fully enjoyable when fights occur. Some character designs definitely needed polishing as did the facial expressions of some characters in emotional scenes.My personal opinions on the animation and production: Not a fan of the inconsistent character models, Mikasa looks like four different characters in the span of one episode. Eren also looks very inconsistent at times. They did floch dirty, but that's fine honestly lol. Attack Titan looks really bad in some shots. I don't know how I feel about Levi's design, I need to see more stills to determine. The CGI was expected but not to the extent that they used it. The animation was pretty good for Mikasa vs War Hammer Titan, but the over reliance of the CGI goes to show how strapped for time they are and how rushed this production is. The finally shot of the scouts dancing around the screen and Levi running into the camera was just cringy for me. OST mixing and placements isn't really there forte from the looks of it. Lot of just awkward moments where there is either no music or bad choice. And they really like the PV OST to much. I think the story and voice acting is what is carrying this adaptation. I think a lot of anime onlys are able to look past the faults of the season because it's their first experience with this 10/10 storytelling. I think it's a bit harder to look past the faults if you already know what happens, because at that point you're just judging it based on how it is as an adaptation rather then the whole experience. I greatly appreciate the animators busting there ass to do they best they can in this short amount of time they have to work on it. Considering the schedule, they've done a great job with the short amount of time they have. I just think they could've made it a lot better if they had more time to work on it. So essentially, I appreciate the animators for doing their best, but fuck the mappa executives for dumping this on to there employees and fuck the production committee for not granting them more time to work on it. Considering the circumstances, it's just an average adaptation and definitely a downgrade from the previous seasons. Overall it’s a decent adaptation, but definitely not at the level it should be with the material it is adapting. WIT had faults too, but their storyboarding and overall execution was more on point. The story and voice actors will carry this season. And fuck Kodansha. Should’ve delayed the release of season 4 to Spring 2021 as it would’ve given MAPPA 1.5 years to make all 16 episodes and most likely enough time to make everything 2D and more detailed. |
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| Someone made a good post on Reddit that worded well one of my main gripes with this season, and MAPPA's shows in general and it's colour use and compositing. I think the post and the thread is well worth a read https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/l05nbr/nevermind_the_cgi_heres_my_main_technical_gripe/ |
| Compared to the CGI titans from S2 & S3, this has definitely been a huge step up. It's far less distracting and aside from seeing it in the first episode, it hasn't broken my immersion once since then. I would probably give CGI titans from S2 & S3 a 7/10 whereas these ones would be an 8.5/10. Still, the 2D style is undoubtedly 10/10. Between Eren's first encounter with Colossal to Levi slicing up Beast in S3P2, that should have been the gold standard for how Attack on Titan was handled all the way through. |
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| the animation is good even tho i do prefer wit studio i also think MAPPA is doing a great job as well, im not a big fan of CGI and i dont like how they mix 2D and that but it's not that big of a deal. the ost is rlly good but i dont get how some people are taking it too far with that part of the show to make the director depressed, people need to chill out and stop bashing the show so much. |
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Fax001s said: Can't belive the mods had to intervene, locking so many threads. Congratulations guys we reached a new level of toxicity. We reached that level since the score debacle. |
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| https://twitter.com/JMulli02/status/1351584169571348481 I don't think some people understand why harassing the staff here is not only wrong and malicious, but it doesn't make any sense either. Many people fail to separate the team from the studio, which is why the entire idea of "MAPPA goated" exists in the first place. So I'll break this down in the best way I can. The production committee is the group of shareholders that fund an anime and therefore receive a percentage of the profit generated by the franchise. The committee is ultimately responsible for determining the air date. When a committee is formed, studios are usually offered a project and can choose to take it or not. In this case, MAPPA accepted the project, while knowing the schedule was very tight. They also became a part of the committee, putting money into it themselves. While they likely don't have the most negotiating power in the group, they still have a place there. Therefore, MAPPA, as a company, holds responsibility for accepting the project and therefore putting the staff in a bad position. That's what people don't seem to understand. The people that are actively creating the show have to work with the schedule they get. They have no power to change that. Therefore, the quality of the work will reflect what is possible within the timeframe they are given. Right now, the schedule has reached a point where the staff are battling for time. They're trying to create a fantastic product with less time than many anime would get. They are in a situation in which they're overworking and doing everything they can. So when you attack staff members for the quality, you are literally coming at the people who are losing sleep and working themselves to the bone over this. You are attacking people for something that is completely out of their control. For those who feel like the staff deserve praise for their efforts, saying "Thank you MAPPA" is a slap in the face. You are praising the company that helped put them in this position in the first place. You are praising a building, rather than the human beings that create this. Of course, I'm only discussing AOT here, but this whole thing applies to almost every anime out there. The system is the same. Don't throw the blame at the wrong people. Production committees exist for almost every anime. Many studios make choices that cause the staff problems. Stop thanking and idolizing MAPPA. Thank the staff. Thank the director. Thank the animators. Thank the human beings, not the company. Please spread this thread a bit. I want more people to understand the reality of this situation and what makes the industry so problematic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- aidree1 said: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/kv9id4/how_do_yall_feel_about_cgi_in_anime_this_season/giwzjlq?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 also super animators are not attracted to anime projects that have so tight or bad production schedule i imagine talented animators can be picky on what anime projects they will work on considering they are always in demand and only few talented animators remain (Animator Shortage Crisis effect) MAQS said: deg said: i was right or anime production history and the sakuga community is right again to show that pre-animated PV is better than the actual TV show although im personally fine with 3DCG but for me they should have gone Full 3DCG with it since at times the visuals switching from 2D and 3D does not blend well compared to other 2D and 3D hybrid anime like Promare movie but ye thats a movie anyway You were spot on about the trailer overall looking better than the series. Eren looked so damn fine when it first appeared. also Pieck she looks more pretty in the trailer |
degJan 19, 2021 12:14 PM
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