Attack on Titan
| I think I saw a leaker hinted that they will rearrange scenes in the next episode, I am just going to wait and see what happens. |
tsunderek0 said: maybe if you dont like how the newest season looks, you should be the one getting out? just a suggestion. and cutting costs of production as much as possible can be considered a greedy behavior, yes. and because they weren't paid royalties, they weren't interested in continuing it, so, yeah. I didn’t say that MAPPA is the greedy one though (although its higher-ups are, and of-course it’s good to be critical of them, but my critique is much more aimed at Kodansha), I only said that their version of the show is a result of greed and desperation and you chose to interpet that as me singling out MAPPA. Sure, we can talk about MAPPA any day, any time, but they aren’t the main culprit here. |
MAQS said: Hmmm you got a point there....we are definitely losing a lot of that character study. It should be slow tbh because it’s a character/trauma focused war drama and those tend to be slow as shit. Marley Arc is some Tolstoyan shit tbh. It’s not a thriller by any means. |
| The way CGI is causing so many meltdowns in the anime community. I will say though, I’m sad moments like Levi vs Zeke round 2 will be CGI |
| I'm pretty sure they are going to adapt 93 and half of 94&95 in episode 2. Leaving the rest of those two, 96 and a half of 97 for 3. |
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| Guys, 2 chapters per episode is really not that bad. Midnight sun, That Day, and Attack Titan were all dialogue heavy chapters that still adapted 2 chapters per episode. And all 3 of those episodes are among the very best episodes in the entire series. |
WillofFire700 said: Guys, 2 chapters per episode is really not that bad. Midnight sun, That Day, and Attack Titan were all dialogue heavy chapters that still adapted 2 chapters per episode. And all 3 of those episodes are among the very best episodes in the entire series. I agree but at least S3P2 had some normal and slower paced episodes as well. Making it work is not just about the pacing of the episode itself but about the context surrounding it too. The action centred episodes were all normally paced and The Basement as well as To the Other Side of the Walls were very slow. Midnight Sun doesn’t contain as much dialogue as some of the upcoming chapters and That Day was rushed imho. The Attack Titan contained a decent dialogue-to-pace ratio but a whole season at that speed is too intense imho. This shit is dense as fuck and needs a bit of space to breathe in order for the animated adaptation to compliment it. I feel like a loser for still talking about this lol, I’m trying to make peace with the idea that post-basement Attack on Titan is impossible to adapt well. |
| Chapters 122 or 123 with Eren's declaration would be the most natural end. But if they do that... how are they gonna fit (properly) all the content of chapters 106-115, which are almost all dialogues with not much action, in the remaining episodes after Marley? Also if the rate is really 2 chapters per episode i worry about the upcoming episodes, which also will have to adapt parts with no action and full of important and awesome content such as I have a very bad feeling about this. They could end up cutting various parts to make everything fit, which would be a tragedy given how good the Marley arc is. |
Lux_Vacui said: I have a very bad feeling about this. They could end up cutting various parts to make everything fit, which would be a tragedy given how good the Marley arc is. They’re sacrificing the general image quality as well as the pacing oops I said too much again. Can somebody photoshop a merch t-shirt with an Attack on Titan logo on this fella for me?  |
MironBironDec 10, 2020 4:21 PM
MironBiron said: I imagine them cutting op/ed and ad extra minutes to fill it and make the 2 chapter pacing organic. You will be relieved if we got to the greatness of episode 5-7 and youll see how great it will be.Lux_Vacui said: I have a very bad feeling about this. They could end up cutting various parts to make everything fit, which would be a tragedy given how good the Marley arc is. Their sacrificing the general image quality as well as the pacing oops I said too much again. Can somebody photoshop a merch t-shirt with an Attack on Titan logo on this fella for me? |
| Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue |
yaegerist-15 said: You will be relieved if we got to the greatness of episode 5-7 and youll see how great it will be. We’ll need a huge quality boost for that to happen tbh. Sunday’s episode didn’t impress me at all. It wasn’t bad by any means (although Falco looked different in each shot and the trailer music felt cheap) but it didn’t contain anything to write home about either (some of the backgrounds look great but their blurred to shit). Nothing iconic to be found there, unless we have different definitions of that. Nothing close to as solid as Kakegurui, Dorohedoro or Garo: The Animation. I tried to watch it again last night and I had to quit before the first half was over because it was too painful to see how plainly decent it had become. |
MironBiron said: WillofFire700 said: Guys, 2 chapters per episode is really not that bad. Midnight sun, That Day, and Attack Titan were all dialogue heavy chapters that still adapted 2 chapters per episode. And all 3 of those episodes are among the very best episodes in the entire series. I agree but at least S3P2 had some normal and slower paced episodes as well. Making it work is not just about the pacing of the episode itself but about the context surrounding it too. The action centred episodes were all normally paced and The Basement as well as To the Other Side of the Walls were very slow. Midnight Sun doesn’t contain as much dialogue as some of the upcoming chapters and That Day was rushed imho. The Attack Titan contained a decent dialogue-to-pace ratio but a whole season at that speed is too intense imho. This shit is dense as fuck and needs a bit of space to breathe in order for the animated adaptation to compliment it. I feel like a loser for still talking about this lol, I’m trying to make peace with the idea that post-basement Attack on Titan is impossible to adapt well. Agree with you there. I don't think some people understand just how ridiculously hard post basement AOT is to adapt. This is especially true for where we are right now in the manga. |
| Based on the preview for ep 2 and the synopsis for the next 3 episodes along with OD leaks we can be sure of this: Ep2 adapts: Ep3 adapts: Ep 4 adapts: This is exactly how I imagined they would do it concerning the rearranging of scenes and I am very happy with it. My prediction is this: Ep2 - 93, 94(1st half), 95(1st half) Ep3 - 94(2nd half), 95(2nd half), 96, 97(1st half) Ep4 - 97(2nd half), 98 |
I_Am_FreeballingDec 10, 2020 5:39 PM
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| I didn't say that first thing, I only put in parentheses all the times Falco exhibits those feelings, but only the 97 one will be adapted in ep4. For the other thing, yes, OD said so. Edit: In short, everything will be adapted chronologically except which they will take from the 4 chapters and put it in ep3. |
I_Am_FreeballingDec 10, 2020 5:24 PM
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I_Am_Freeballing said: I didn't say that first thing, I only put in parentheses all the times Falco exhibits those feelings, but only the 97 one will be adapted in ep4. For the other thing, yes, OD said so. |
MironBiron said: Can somebody photoshop a merch t-shirt with an Attack on Titan logo on this fella for me? not exactly like that one but i tried  file https://anonfiles.com/T5D4I1xfp7/Attack-On-Titan-This-Is-Fine-01_psd |
Lmao amazing. Can you replace the manga image with the original Final Season KV though? |
MironBiron said: Lmao amazing. Can you replace the manga image with the original Final Season KV though? ah ok here you go i tried x2  |
MironBiron said: Oh I do believe it will be the end of ep4, I just mentioned the things we know 100% out of previews, synopsis and leaks. In my predictions I did put 98 for episode 4 in the post you quoted. I also edited the next one and included this: In short, everything will be adapted chronologically except I_Am_Freeballing said: I didn't say that first thing, I only put in parentheses all the times Falco exhibits those feelings, but only the 97 one will be adapted in ep4. For the other thing, yes, OD said so. which they will take from the 4 chapters and put it in ep3. littlewillie610 said: OD, a reliable leaker, posted it on twitter.I_Am_Freeballing said: Where did you see these leaks?I didn't say that first thing, I only put in parentheses all the times Falco exhibits those feelings, but only the 97 one will be adapted in ep4. For the other thing, yes, OD said so. Edit: In short, everything will be adapted chronologically except which they will take from the 4 chapters and put it in ep3. |
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Thank you for making this image that perfectly represents the current state of the fanbase. |
yaegerist-15 said: There is no info on that. I am assuming that in the worst case it's going to be same quality. But then again, the nature of the fight is different. In ep 1 we saw 4 shifters independently while in what I'm assuming will be ep 6 will be I_Am_Freeballing said: do you have some informations regarding the animation of the action sequences? Imai isnt involved in the final season. Oh I do believe it will be the end of ep4, I just mentioned the things we know 100% out of previews, synopsis and leaks. In my predictions I did put 98 for episode 4 in the post you quoted. I also edited the next one and included this: In short, everything will be adapted chronologically except which they will take from the 4 chapters and put it in ep3. OD, a reliable leaker, posted it on twitter. I honestly think this is the most important fight they'll have to animate this season so I can't imagine it being worse than what we saw in the 1st ep. So again, the same quality at worst. I imagine it will be better along with the necessary 2D animation required for the gear users for the impact with the titans. Note this shot:  The arm of the Jaw Titan is 2D to make impact more realistic. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: okay thank you, yes the hand of the jaw titan is 2d thats what I mean with mix between 3dcg and 2d. And btw episode was a good episode to me, [Spoier] I just expect even better animation with episode 5-7 but we can assume that with the ogm fightsyaegerist-15 said: There is no info on that. I am assuming that in the worst case it's going to be same quality. But then again, the nature of the fight is different. In ep 1 we saw 4 shifters independently while in what I'm assuming will be ep 6 will be do you have some informations regarding the animation of the action sequences? Imai isnt involved in the final season. I honestly think this is the most important fight they'll have to animate this season so I can't imagine it being worse than what we saw in the 1st ep. So again, the same quality at worst. I imagine it will be better along with the necessary 2D animation required for the gear users for the impact with the titans. Note this shot: The arm of the Jaw Titan is 2D to make impact more realistic. |
| Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue |
yaegerist-15 said: Yes, I loved the episode too, I just meant that if you liked it, you should have nothing to worry about but if you hated it at least you'll hate it a little less. :)okay thank you, yes the hand of the jaw titan is 2d thats what I mean with mix between 3dcg and 2d. And btw episode was a good episode to me, [Spoier] I just expect even better animation with episode 5-7 but we can assume that with the ogm fights |
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yaegerist-15 said: Agreed absolutely. But hey, people have different tastes so if they liked that particular 2D fight better than S4E1's that's ok. The problem arises when the complainers cross the line and want to force others to see/notice scenes that are 'wrong' even if those who liked them deem the exact same scenes the opposite.I_Am_Freeballing said: nah we are eating good this season. The good handled 3dcg fights are better than the slideshow reiner vs eren in s3 p2, dont know how people like that more than this. s2 yes but not s3, and still s3 p2 is the best season because they delivered good quality when it was needed and I think this will be the case here tooYes, I loved the episode too, I just meant that if you liked it, you should have nothing to worry about but if you hated it at least you'll hate it a little less. :) |
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littlewillie610 said: Oh, that is absolutely happening.DAC mentioned that the cliffhanger before the week long break before episode 5 would drive people crazy. |
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yaegerist-15 said: The good handled 3dcg fights are better than the slideshow reiner vs eren in s3 p2, dont know how people like that more than this. It looks sharp and the action is close-up. Reiner looks awesome in more than just one shot and that cut showing Eren shattering the armour on Reiner’s face is very, very, very impactful. The direction and staging are much more focused than what we saw last sunday too. Many great close-ups setting the tone right, with a soundtrack that fits the fight as much as it fits the Erwin monologue that comes before it (unlike the usage of the entire epic trailer music during one of the series’ most pivotal and brutal depiction of warfare). It contains entirely limited animation but the final audiovisual presentation is great, awesome even. It’s still hard to compare the two since we haven’t seen a Titan vs Titan fight in CGI yet but I expect a lot of people to voice their disappointment when that happens. Most fans aren’t honest to themselves enough to let the disappointment come near them during the first few episodes of the show. This phenomenon can be seen across many fandoms in the world. Edit: I’m not saying that the same will count for you but I’m 100% sure that a lot of the current enthusiasts will experience a change of heart once the Final Season starts showing its true colors. |
MironBironDec 10, 2020 6:33 PM
| leaks thread gone....pein |
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MironBiron said: Agreed, that's the best, but then we zoom out and witness a poorly done impact effect (a blue transparent perfect circle coming of off the impact area) over a poorly done slo-mo. IMO. Saying that, it's still a very good fight/scene.yaegerist-15 said: The good handled 3dcg fights are better than the slideshow reiner vs eren in s3 p2, dont know how people like that more than this. and that cut showing Eren shattering the armour on Reiner’s face is very, very, very impactful |
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MAQS said: And yet, if they keep the same quality as ep 1 for the whole season, despite having lesser animation, it will still be lauded alongside S3p2 as the best season. They probably won’t keep the same quality up though and even if they do, I think people will eventually start seeing its flaws. Some people might never admit that they were disappointed though. They love AoT too much to do that. |
I_Am_Freeballing said: Agreed, that's the best, Does last sunday’s episode contain a cut that is close to as impactful as the example from Eren vs Reiner round 2? |
MironBiron said: I would say the one when Jaw appears the 2nd time (particularly when he slams his claws down the trench and bites the rails off; the cut when Reiner first slams down his hand on the wall after he lands (before he starts dragging it across); the slo-mo when Reiner gets shot by the armored train AND the way his body moves after he was shot by the ships after jumping in front of Zeke, but my favorite one is Reiner spinning around with the armored train in hand.I_Am_Freeballing said: Agreed, that's the best, Does last sunday’s episode contain a cut that is close to as impactful as the example from Eren vs Reiner round 2? Now, I understand you might not agree on any of these and might even laugh at my opinion, but understand that this is what I genuinely think and it's not me being delusional and hiding my disappointment. Before AoT, I was obsessed the same way with GoT, but once S8 aired, I was it's most obnoxious hater. I never touched anything GoT related ever again, can't even bring myself to reread the books. Could I be disappointed by the future episodes of this season? Absolutely. But NEVER by this one, not even retroactively. To compare it with GoT again, episode 2 of S8 of GoT is still one of my favorites of the whole series. |
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| @MironBiron I'm watching some live reactions and a lot of people are saying the animation got better! an upgrade! especially when they saw the Reiner transformation scene. I was just thinking how triggered you would have been if you were watching it. XD |
chiearlymorning said: keragamming said: @MironBiron I'm watching some live reactions and a lot of people are saying the animation got better! an upgrade! especially when they saw the Reiner transformation scene. I was just thinking how triggered you would have been if you were watching it. XD that transformation was pretty sick tho https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/138869 There's something about the way he slightly tilts his head while cutting himself that make the whole thing so much better. |
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