Attack on Titan
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Koito91Dec 10, 2020 2:36 PM
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| From what has been said already, it looks like all future titan shifters will be cgi. Hoping for at least one or two titan fights with 2d animation but will see... |
| sic mundus |
Koito91 said: this thread will have untagged spoilers and so you can get spoiled if you are only watching the anime which is also why (Spoilers) is mentioned in the thread title. If you don't want to read any spoilers, the Episode Discussion threads are for you. I don't get it, do you mean this thread may have spoilers from the manga? Mod Edit: Yes, it may have spoilers from the manga or possibly other sources. Thanks and added that part to the first post. |
Koito91Dec 10, 2020 1:25 PM
keragamming said: deg said: dude lol im just stating a fact that JJK is still top priority of MAPPA because they are more higher in the production committee of it thats it i do not mean anything more than that just stating a fact lol heck they are just slightly ahead than in the production committee of Attack on Titan so the final season will get priority for them too since the profit will be crazy if they delivered good also in terms of first episode JJK has better animation or movements than Attack on Titan final season for sure yes the production has always been hell but now its more hellish that even WIT studio quit and now MAPPA uses 3DCG for all main titans just to speed up the production (but personally im fine with 3DCG) and the 2D animation is just average on the first episode compared to other high profile shows and for a 1 cour show too That is not facts! First of all there is a high chance that snk budget is far bigger than jjk, you said it yourself cgi cost more money and we are hearing all titans are cgi, so not because jjk is third in another production committee does not mean its budget or that it is being priotiaze more than snk. Not to mention snk required way more resource and time than jjk, here is how you see it jjk is priotize more simple because it is 3rd in the production committee, this is a flase way of looking at it not knowing if the production committee for snk is far bigger/ putting in way more money than the production committee for jjk, meaning Mappa could be putting in more money in snk than jjk, jjk could be third in their committee but the money mappa is putting in is still lower than what they are putting in for snk. FYI Cao himself said that its a completely different team working on snk, your statement would make more sense if it was the same team working on it. ive thought about this more just now and nah the bigger budget of SNK is out of necessity to meet deadlines due to the tight schedule so bigger budget does not mean they are giving top priority on this intentionally the budget meme should not be taken seriously |
degDec 11, 2020 11:52 PM
SirTristram said: Koito91 said: this thread will have untagged spoilers and so you can get spoiled if you are only watching the anime which is also why (Spoilers) is mentioned in the thread title. If you don't want to read any spoilers, the Episode Discussion threads are for you. I don't get it, do you mean this thread may have spoilers from the manga? thats what i understand since looks like this is a place to discuss future titles that will be leak so they are allowing full manga spoilers now here on this thread only though |
| Damn, gonna miss the leaks thread. Some good arcs in that one. |
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| Even though this thread is tagged with spoilers, we should still hide our spoilers as there are anime onlies that are interested in this topic. |
| last thread hid spoilers pretty well, don't see why not here either mappa gonna trash ep 5/6 |
Turth3 said: I’m sorry but if you haven’t read the manga your opinions on the pacing are quite worthless. 2 chapters per episode is absolutely terrible pacing for this arc. It’s terrible for every Arc, even Uprising and RTS were paced at 1.75 and 1.8 chapters per episode. Two chapters per episode is insanely rushed for such a slow-burning, dialogue and world-building heavy Arc. 1.8 is the limit and even that is already going to sacrifice either subtle details in storytelling, or Marley Arc’s mature and melancholic tone. I’ve come to accept that this shit is impossible to adapt anyway. Same goes for Berserk’s Golden Age Arc, some things just aren’t meant to be I guess. Oops I’ve said too much again. |
| I think what people should try to understand is that the manga is extremely fast-paced on its own already. Everything from 91 up until 122 feels like a fucking sprint, like a big thrilling rush towards the story’s climax. If anything it should be slowed down tbh, not sped up. |
Turth3 said: But deep down in my heart I still have the hope that maybe in 10-20 years we’ll get Aot Brotherhood and a worthy adaptation. A man can only dream We won’t because there’s no official need for it, as the anime is adapting the manga faithfully. WIT Studio’s version is a masterpiece in is own right and once you get over this, you’ll realize what a tragically beautiful end the ocean scene was to their involvement with Attack on Titan. MAPPA’s version of Attack on Titan isn’t going to become a masterpiece though. Masterpieces don’t result from greed and desperation |
MAQS said: If the rest of the adaptation still is on the level that Uprising got, the anime will still be regarded as one of the greats. Uprising is paced at 1.75 CH per EP though, so it’s impossible for The Final Season’s adaptation to reach that same writing quality with its presumed 2 CH per EP. |
littlewillie610 said: Although the prospect of getting to chapter 122 in 16 episodes is faster than I would like, I do believe it would be possible to streamline some of the flashbacks and exposition chapters without really damaging the overall story. I've said it before, but I don't think The show could probably get the point across just fine without necessarily being a 1:1 translation. Exactly, to manga readers it may seem too fast but to anime onlys if it was slower they would probably complain about slow pacing. |
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MironBiron said: Turth3 said: But deep down in my heart I still have the hope that maybe in 10-20 years we’ll get Aot Brotherhood and a worthy adaptation. A man can only dream We won’t because there’s no official need for it, as the anime is adapting the manga faithfully. WIT Studio’s version is a masterpiece in is own right and once you get over this, you’ll realize what a tragically beautiful end the ocean scene was to their involvement with Attack on Titan. MAPPA’s version of Attack on Titan isn’t going to become a masterpiece though. Masterpieces don’t result from greed and desperation as if WIT weren't greedy and desperate to cut as many corners as possible in S3... |
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tsunderek0 said: MironBiron said: We won’t because there’s no official need for it, as the anime is adapting the manga faithfully. WIT Studio’s version is a masterpiece in is own right and once you get over this, you’ll realize what a tragically beautiful end the ocean scene was to their involvement with Attack on Titan. MAPPA’s version of Attack on Titan isn’t going to become a masterpiece though. Masterpieces don’t result from greed and desperation as if WIT weren't greedy and desperate to cut as many corners as possible in S3... Yeah, people need to stop treating Wit Studio adaptation like a flawless masterpiece... it certainly had its lows and MAPPA also will probably have them, nothing new. |
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Those are much much faster than 123-135 though. Like, the whole world and story of Attack on Titan change rapidly, it makes huge leaps and forces its characters into extremely dense situations in almost every chapter between 91-122. Oh hell no. They’re never gonna be able to adapt that in 16 episodes. Like hell no. 123-135 are peanuts compared to that when it comes to pacing (The R is actually quite slow tbh, it contains a shitload of beautiful character drama but it lacks the plot progression of WfP). |
tsunderek0 said: as if WIT weren't greedy and desperate to cut as many corners as possible in S3... Greedy? They weren’t even getting royalties off Attack on Titan. Get the hell outta here. |
MAQS said: With 10 eps adapting 20 chapters, all the same length as the ones this final season is adapting, so it is indeed a 2 ch per episode ratio. Uprising is 12 episodes bro. Not 10. |
MAQS said: Touche....I remember plenty of people in Reddit also being very disappointed, myself being one of them. Great profile pic btw. I’m disappointed MAQS for complimenting someone’s statement that WIT Studio is greedy when they weren’t even making money off AoT. |
MironBiron said: tsunderek0 said: as if WIT weren't greedy and desperate to cut as many corners as possible in S3... Greedy? They weren’t even getting royalties off Attack on Titan. Get the hell outta here. maybe if you dont like how the newest season looks, you should be the one getting out? just a suggestion. and cutting costs of production as much as possible can be considered a greedy behavior, yes. and because they weren't paid royalties, they weren't interested in continuing it, so, yeah. |
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MAQS said: We are referring to different things then, by pacing I mean many chapters post 123 have felt rushed, you dont get that with the previous 91-122 that is what I meant, the most recent example is 132, this chapter should have been longer or separated because the major thing that happens at the end does not hits as hard as it should because in just 20 pages we went from 0 to 100, given the magnitude of what happened, it was rushed. But that’s a different subject (one that I truly like to talk about though). |
tsunderek0 said: maybe if you dont like how the newest season looks, you should be the one getting out? just a suggestion. and cutting costs of production as much as possible can be considered a greedy behavior, yes. and because they weren't paid royalties, they weren't interested in continuing it, so, yeah. Yang Wenli would be disappointed in you for shouting these pro-capitalist thoughts into the world. You’re unintentionally defending Kodansha by saying this shit but hey, do you. |
MAQS said: Touche....I remember plenty of people in Reddit also being very disappointed, myself being one of them. Great profile pic btw. greatest strategic genius of all times, for sure. MironBiron said: tsunderek0 said: maybe if you dont like how the newest season looks, you should be the one getting out? just a suggestion. and cutting costs of production as much as possible can be considered a greedy behavior, yes. and because they weren't paid royalties, they weren't interested in continuing it, so, yeah. Yang Wenli would be disappointed in you for shouting these pro-capitalist thoughts into the world. You’re unintentionally defending Kodansha by saying this shit but hey, do you. 🤔 so WIT are great socialists that are never greedy and MAPPA are awful capitalists that are acting purely out of greed. gotcha. |
tsunderek0Dec 10, 2020 3:01 PM
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deg said: keragamming said: That is not facts! First of all there is a high chance that snk budget is far bigger than jjk, you said it yourself cgi cost more money and we are hearing all titans are cgi, so not because jjk is third in another production committee does not mean its budget or that it is being priotiaze more than snk. Not to mention snk required way more resource and time than jjk, here is how you see it jjk is priotize more simple because it is 3rd in the production committee, this is a flase way of looking at it not knowing if the production committee for snk is far bigger/ putting in way more money than the production committee for jjk, meaning Mappa could be putting in more money in snk than jjk, jjk could be third in their committee but the money mappa is putting in is still lower than what they are putting in for snk. FYI Cao himself said that its a completely different team working on snk, your statement would make more sense if it was the same team working on it. ive thought about this more just now and nah the bigger budget of SNK is out of necessity to meet deadlines due to the tight schedule so bigger budget does not mean they are giving top priority on this intentionally the budget meme should not be taken seriously Cao said they are not priotizing one over the other, I will go with what a staff member said. |
MAQS said: That is s3p1 not the manga, if you go by anime logic, then there is no such thing as a female titan arc is there? since s1 covers multiple arcs too but without a break. Ask any other manga reader and they will say the proper end for the uprising arc is ch 70. Ah, word. It took me a few minutes to figure out what you meant. I still don’t think it’s suitable for Marley though, unless you want it the arc to turn into a political thriller opposed to a slow burning and highly personal war drama. |
MironBironDec 10, 2020 3:19 PM
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