Digimon Adventure: Episode 24 Discussion

lkevsan said:
24 Episodes and we have Mega Evolutions and my suspension of disbelief is gone to the toilet with Matt surviving being burned and being tossed like that to the ground.

There are no high risks at all, how can you tell me that he doesn't have a broken bone at least. I know this is a kids a show but if Tai can bleed, don't tell me Matt survived that when in the original even getting electrocuted was seen as deadly when they thought they were just data inside the Digiworld like a character in a videogame.

Evolution has no meaning in this show, it is just a plot device, non saying it isn't in previous series but where is the emotion of seeing a brand new evolution here?NOWHERE! So now Patamon is Calumon. Here another plot taken from a previous series.

Sorry to say this but even Tri feels better than this in certain points.

Serlu said:


just for reference, in your pfp character fight there was a kid who puked razors and sticked his fingers inside his throat to take out some scissors, and survived.

Metallica_Nero said:


Okay and your point is? I agree that what you described doesn't make sense.
Just because I put an anime character in my profile picture doesn't automatically means that I agree or like everything that happened in that show. I hate these kinds of baseless and lazy arguments.

Also, believe me I'm not "thinking too hard" about this or anything. I know it is supposed to be a kid show and it would be great if I could enjoy it as much as you do, but these kinds of thoughts come into my mind naturally as I'm watching and I can't help but feel annoyed. And I believe I have the right to express my thoughts here

Serlu said:
I think you're thinking too hard on seeing what is bad on each chapter. Try enjoying it and try to stop comparing everything to the original series, which was 20 years ago. Things have changed, the audience wants other things, etc. All the other digimon series were really monotonous, let them change.

StormxNightmare said:

- Yamato getting burned alive and falling from the sky without being injured at all

StormxNightmare said:

- Patamon is Calumon now, so much for "change"

Serlu said:

Let me just say that I find funny that you gave bnha an 8, a series where a villain breaks a mountain in half with the body of a kid and the kid can still stand up

Artego32rus said:

what do you mean Calumon? He's Patamon allright

Serlu said:

Let me just say that I find funny that you gave bnha an 8, a series where a villain breaks a mountain in half with the body of a kid and the kid can still stand up

LambdaMan93 said:


Hello there, fellow enemy of the critical opinion squad! Good to see you here, I needed reinforcements. bnha indeed is a bit silly and has been very mediocre as of late, with animation as lazy or even lazier than this series lol. I like to call it "My Hero Naruto" because of how sluggishly the plot progresses. None of the characters even get decent development either. I feel like a lot of people who are super harsh on this show would give some of the things they like, such as bnha, a 2/10 if they approached them with the same level of criticism. The truth is that the original Digimon Adventure was not very good, and I guess they wished it took 20 episodes for Patamon to evolve like in the original so it would be more "meaningful" or something.

StormxNightmare said:


I look for different things in different series :)
Bnha is a show about super heroes, they have special powers and I never expected them to go by normal physics.
Digimon has normal human characters. There's nothing special about them & previous seasons always showed us that they are vulnerabel like every normal child. You don't like comparisons with previous season tho, so I'll just repeat the part you left out in the quote: Tai got hurt by the Miasa, but Yamato doesn't get hurt at all? That doesn't really make any sense.

It's also kinda sad you looked at my Anime List just to find a score of a random anime to disprove the least important point I made by making a condescending statement.
If you like this reboot, all the power to you. But don't expect everyone to like it and for them to just shut up if they don't agree with you. The main reason why I dislike this new version is the way they treat everyone except for Tai & Matt by the way. So even if you would be able to somehow prove all my other complaints wrong, I'd still not be a fan.

StormxNightmare said:


The other series were not monotonous at all - Adventure, Frontier, Tamers, Savers (even tho I really don't like that one) and Xros Wars are all completely different from their execution and themes. Brainless action also doesn't really seem to be the thing the audience wants... at least that's what the score here on MAL and the general reception of this reboot shows. Even if you don't compare anything to the old sereis, the new one is still rushed with 0 character development so far.

StormxNightmare said:

- I couldn't take DoneDevimon serious for the most part... he acts more like a clown than Piedmon did and not in a creepy way either - Devimon was way more threatening imo

StormxNightmare said:

- four perfect level Digimon failing to deal with baby levels... yes, the Digimon Garudamon, Lilymon, Zudomon & AtlurKabuterimon are fighting are the same level as Tokomon

StormxNightmare said:

- Yamato getting burned alive and falling from the sky without being injured at all (at least Tai actutally was hurt from the Miasma)

StormxNightmare said:

- the others are still dealing with the ship situation? Is this what their gonna do for the rest of the show while Tai, Matt & TK do all the actual stuff?

StormxNightmare said:

The fact we've already seen Wargreymon also makes me think the other children will not get X-Antibody upgrades for their perfect levels (if they'll ever become important again that is), but I still have some hope cause we only saw it as a light manifestation.

StormxNightmare said:
@Serlu
Didn't know that being completely covered by fire and falling from that high up only made you unconscious.
But fine, I don't want to argue about that little nitpick anymore. Guess I'll change my complaint to "I wish the consequences Matt faced from being engulved in flames and falling from the sky would have been burns and broken bones, because Taichi also got burned when he was touched by the acid like miasma." Or even better, don't let your human character get hit by smth that crazy.

LambdaMan93 said:
The other series were not monotonous at all? I can't speak for anything past Savers, but let's introspect a little, at least where I think the franchise is egregious with this problem: Adventure (1) and Frontier.

In Adventure, during the Devimon arc, every single episode was essentially a telegraphed and shoehorned buildup to the "next" team member's digimon getting its champion evolution. There was very little tension because we knew as soon as the evolution happened, the problem would be solved. This series also repeated this pattern for a bit, but then got rid of it. The other thing about that series is that every digivolution sequence took up over a minute (!) of time to resolve. The amount of time this wasted was inexcusable, and often this would happen several times per episode. Lastly, the poor budget forced them to reuse animations over and over. It was tiresome to see the exact same attack be executed in the exact same way every single battle. This is monotonous. You are saying it was not monotonous at all, which I think is blatantly wrong. It isn't even a matter of opinion. It is a fact they literally reuse the same animations and long evolution sequences several times, and reuse the exact same "deus ex machina" "character spotlight" technique to solve consequent episodes' boss monsters.

In Frontier, this was mainly near the end of the series. However, as this was about 11 episodes of the same thing repeated over and over again, I don't think it is arguable to say this was not monotonous. It was incredibly bad and boring to see the kids fail against those two lame nerds over and over, while shelving the rest of the cast.

LambdaMan93 said:
This guy was supposed to be a mindless being. I compare it to Zant in Twilight Princess. He first seems very grim and serious, but when you fight him he becomes a sort of clown. Honestly, I think the effect if done well can be quite unnerving, creepy, and effective. In this episode, I don't think that was achieved, however the way he acted was understandable since, as Tokomon said, he was "mindless". So I kind of agree here a bit, but not all the way.

LambdaMan93 said:
Would you rather them sweep away the threat immediately and be done with it? It's fascinating to me that these baby digimon have been putting up a fight together. We don't know - perhaps these baby algomon in large numbers sort of "power" up. I think this sets us up for interesting plot points and conflicts later on.

LambdaMan93 said:
I think that the immediate effect as a sort of "shocker" was very very good here. I was actually really concerned that Matt was dead or at least, nearly dead. I do agree that having characters survive everything sort of removes some of the ability to suspend our belief, however many other shows have sort of "invincible" main characters as well. I think that as long as you're able to suspend it in the "moment" something like this happens, it probably got the job done. However yeah, I do wish that yamato at least was injured or something. Same for Tai getting eaten alive.

LambdaMan93 said:
From how the show has been progressing so far, I would expect this to resolve either the next episode, or the one after that. i feel like some sort of "recall' of the algomon might occur.

LambdaMan93 said:
I probably have an incredibly unpopular opinion here, but I am of the very, very strong opinion that the fewer "main" characters we have, the better. I don't really care about the entire cast getting the exact same treatment - if they did, we would be 100 episodes in. I think about other anime I have watched in the past and the character to development ratio: Hunter x Hunter had few main characters and a lot of interesting plot and development. Madoka Magica as well (the sequel completely and utterly ruined this). I feel that if this series spread things out as much as the original (which STILL focused mainly on Tai and Matt btw), it would suffer for it.

AcD4c said:
Good episode. The animation was so good I thought Wargreymon was going to use great tornado like he did to Metalseadramon at Digimon Adventure. You made me dream, Toei.

But I keep asking myself why the kids keep running straight to the battle along with their digimon. Ok, Taichi has the courage crest. But that's not courage, it's just stupid. But no problem, Yamato works out every day and those two attacks were nothing. The kids these days man... you know, they're different.

And man, that sacred power is OP as fuck. Tokomon, a baby digimon holding a final stage digimon attack for a while in a sacred bubble.

rasterman7 said:


I agree, the digivolutions make no sense from time to time or are really confusing to me at the very least. Like, how did Tokomon protect Takeru from a mega digimon's attack? Literal plot armor? Where did Donedevimon come from? And the miasma evolution? Was it ever established it can do that? What do any of the emblems even mean to anyone who hasn't watched the original series? How many functions do the digivices actually have?

These questions probably come from the pacing being so fast that there's no buildup to pretty much anything that happens on screen or no time to explain it. That makes the character development for the most part not fit the many tense moments these series could have had but just doesn't.

All in all, this episode really left me wondering as to what to expect in the future, though my hopes are quite low at this point.

StormxNightmare said:
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- Yamato getting burned alive and falling from the sky without being injured at all (at least Tai actutally was hurt from the Miasma)
- the others are still dealing with the ship situation? Is this what their gonna do for the rest of the show while Tai, Matt & TK do all the actual stuff?

The fact we've already seen Wargreymon also makes me think the other children will not get X-Antibody upgrades for their perfect levels (if they'll ever become important again that is), but I still have some hope cause we only saw it as a light manifestation.

Metallica_Nero said:
why the hell did Weregarurumon steps on these things he shoots when can just simply fly directly lol There are many things here that don't make any sense but are just here because they look cool

Serlu said:
they're digital. Why do you think fire or gravity works the same way there? Then again, this happen on literally every shounen ever.

Renkini said:
Ngl, this is probably the best episode of the reboot up until now if I don't try to nitpick. I was legit disturbed by DoneDevimon and berserking Mugendramon. Both Mugen and WarGreymon don't seem like official evolutions because they are in ghost-like state (?) so I think Agumon can't evolve to them at will yet, which is a good point. Mugendramon is also missing his trademark cannons to further prove this. He is not a mindless Digimon by default so I think Agumon will get this evolution officially by overcoming some sort of trial. The downside is, it's pretty much confirmed that we won't see Dark Masters anymore in this reboot, or at least Mugendramon won't be one if we do see them.

Now nitpick time:

- It's a shame DoneDevimon is "done" like that with an OHKO from ghost WarGreymon when they should've made an epic fight between two of them for like, one episode long.

- Holy Digimon or whatever, a baby Digimon making a shield that even a Mega Digimon can't break shouldn't even be possible.

- Git gud with Koushiro and other kids' "Our War Game" plot (again). Honestly, this is getting super repetitive. Okay, we get it already. Boats will clash and it's bad hurr durr. We have time limit hurr durr. Now hurry up and solve this problem which was shoehorned in to give them some screentime (still sidelined tho) and come to Digital World again already to do something productive.

- This:Ikr? I got a chuckle when he did that shit.

- And finally, like others said above, invincible Yamato.

That question can also be flipped and asked against you tho? Just because it's digital, why do you think fire or gravity won't work the same here. They have ground to stand on. They're not floating like Gomamon in the network. They have water bodies and they swim in there, not run over it like in Naruto. They have nukes and they explode and destroy terrains. They use fireballs to attack others in means of damaging them, not heal them. They have trees that can be cut down to make a raft. They have physical bodies that can go hungry and die when they're killed. All physics concepts are working as usual and being digital only makes the kids 10x durable more than normal? Does that make sense? It's an attack that made WereGarurumon, an Ultimate, took damage to the point it devolved to Gabumon (hell, in this reboot where they look super tough and don't devolve easily), Yamato leaving unscathed doesn't have any excuse unless you're gonna say he is tougher than WereGarurumon lol. And yes, this happens in literally every shounen and I'm annoyed by it equally, not only DA reboot if you're thinking to check my list and point out "you gave this show 10/10 even tho blah blah blah" etc. (That's not a very productive way to start a debate btw.)

Inb4 you say I'm hating on reboot, err... well, yes I did hate it. Especially in episode 18 where they used Omegamon asspull for 2nd time but I'll admit this Devimon arc is looking a lot better. Sure, there were nitpicks like above that I found hard to swallow but they are honestly "finding faults" at best. To notify this show has glaring writing flaws and can only cater to a specific type of audience (like newcomers to the franchise or people who shut down their brains to enjoy any kind of show). I'm not gonna increase my overall score yet but this episode alone deserves 4/5 tbh. But I'm not still gonna say this reboot is on par with the original like that one other thread.

And try to refrain saying "Don't compare this reboot to the original". We will. That's what Toei wanted us to do when they tried to "reboot" it with old characters when they can just use an entirely new cast. But no, they baited us back with nostalgia into thinking we'll get another "Digimon Adventure". We didn't. So we complain. It's simple. Because this is basically false advertising in a way.

Serlu said:
damn you really took the bait

Renkini said:

Aww, shucks. You got me. *Yawn* Is this also your fake account? https://myanimelist.net/profile/Masternap

Guifoliveiraa said:


This Serlu guy doesn't even have any arguments. He can't even give proper answers to people who repond to him.