Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story
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According to this I believe the next is still Sana's story, she has been shutting herself away so the lighter green means she going to open up to the team.  If not then its just gonna be Alina's stage just like everyone said. Also gosh I never lived to see Alina just get error'd while pouncing on her art... it sure made me chuckle abit, since she said one of her attack line right there lel In any case that was an emotional episode, Sana is SOOOO CUTE!! I never stop wanting to pat and hug her from when her story came! Her story is sad, but she's too cute, Cute, CUte, CUTe, CUTE!!!! I wish to do a Sana and Maple together! P.S. so it seems Iroha x Sana is impossible anyway seeing how they put AI x Sana instead.. haa |
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| Who even ARE these characters that keep popping out of nowhere man ? I have like absolutely 0 investment in this show at this point, I just want it to end already... |
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Eroha said: prepare4trouble said: I didn't really like this episode. Sana's backstory seems over the top. Alina seemed to appear from nowhere just to be evil. Why couldn't Sana stay with Ai if she was happy there and hadn't been happy elsewhere? Didn't make sense to me. If you find love, hang onto it, don't go back to where people say you should get it but it's lacking. Sana's backstory is one that happens in real life so it's hard to call it over the top. Sana couldn't stay with Ai as Ai didn't want to be used by the Magius any longer, imagine being controlled by a group that makes you do something you dislike, you would also want to rebel. Ai knew that the biggest way to rebel would be by dying as it would remove any data the Magius could obtain about Uwasa's gaining a personality, and she tried to contact a kind magical girl that would be able to help Sana once she was gone (she found Iroha). Her asking Sana to kill/delete her was the kindest thing she could do for Sana, it made it so Sana had a reason to live and move on from the past Staying with Sana permanently would also be impossible as Sana would need grief seeds soon (and if she used a Doppel to remove the impurities it could accidentally kill Ai, just like how Kaede almost killed her friends the other episode) Just because something happens in real life doesn't mean it can't be portrayed in an over the top manner in fiction. Being told very quickly with dinosaurs and faceless pictures probably didn't help. Trust me, i know very well how abuse from multiple fronts can lead one to get the overwhelming message to just disappear. The explanation to Ai's actions mostly makes sense, still seems contrived to me. I don't like this story of a girl who thinks she should be erased and that's not positive making a friend who erases themselves and that is. |
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Renkini said: There was really no time for them - Alina's intro was ultrarushed as it is; adding in two more characters would've ended all hope of making things coherent.Did they just adapt Sana's arc WITHOUT Madoka and Homura? The original protagonist got 'shafted' hard smh... Zarator said: This is really just a consequence of how long the main cast took to assemble; luckily, Sana is the last of them, so the wheels of the plot will finally get to start rolling. We should meet the second Magius in the next episode, with the next uwasa's nature being directly tied to the plot.I mean, I can understand why people would like this episode at first glance. But if you look at the bigger picture... we're at episode 10, and the show still lacks some semblance of overall plot. I can't even begin to imagine what next episode could be about other than "Iroha investigates another barely-related rumor". |
Hatsuyuki said: Who even ARE these characters that keep popping out of nowhere man ? I have like absolutely 0 investment in this show at this point, I just want it to end already... I think you probably came expecting Madoka Magica, but it was the Magia Record the whole time. Magia Record has a lot of characters, and anime just introduces the tip of the iceberg. |
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salarx said: Hatsuyuki said: Who even ARE these characters that keep popping out of nowhere man ? I have like absolutely 0 investment in this show at this point, I just want it to end already... I think you probably came expecting Madoka Magica, but it was the Magia Record the whole time. Magia Record has a lot of characters, and anime just introduces the tip of the iceberg. How is that an excuse for having underdeveloped characters popping literally out of thin air. At least try to make a cohesive story... |
HatsuyukiMar 2, 2020 12:58 PM
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Yuhani said: Hatsuyuki said: How is that an excuse for having underdeveloped characters popping literally out of thin air. At least try to make a cohesive story... Characters cannot be developed before they appear. Was about to say exactly the same thing. People are having this "consumer is always right" attitude and saying really absurd things. Like the character just appeared and they complain about no character development. Like WTF. I'm relieved that no one complained about Iroha's parents' character development. Like at this point I can totally expect someone to compare it with Madoka's parents' development and complain. |
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Yuhani said: salarx said: Was about to say exactly the same thing. People are having this "consumer is always right" attitude and saying really absurd things. Like the character just appeared and they complain about no character development. Like WTF. I'm relieved that no one complained about Iroha's parents' character development. Like at this point I can totally expect someone to compare it with Madoka's parents' development and complain. I did see someone say that the original series was better in the way Madoka's parents have some part in the story instead of being thrown out right away. Iroha's parents are having honeymoon, that makes sense for their disappearance throughout the series. Of course Madoka's parents are better presented. |
| Getting the parents out of the picture is pretty universal: a child under typical parental supervision has limited story potential. By killing the parents, so to speak, you have a lot more freedom with that character. |
salarx said: Was about to say exactly the same thing. People are having this "consumer is always right" attitude and saying really absurd things. Like the character just appeared and they complain about no character development. Like WTF. I'm relieved that no one complained about Iroha's parents' character development. Like at this point I can totally expect someone to compare it with Madoka's parents' development and complain. I'm tired of seeing people make meaningless complaints about this series. As if all the characters in the original series were deeply developed. Mami-san had some deepening only in the third episode. Kyouko's story was told in just one episode. Homura's story was told in just one episode. And there is nothing wrong with that. Regardless, PMMM is my favorite anime ever. But when something like that is done in Magia Record, it's wrong. This anime has problems, but the characters are definitely not among them. |
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hailhomura said: Hatsuyuki said: What do you mean? There are 5 main characters according to the OP scene, and at least they did really well development in Felicia and Sana. Why they have to develop a character immediately after they appear? What are expecting then? Develop a character before they appear? How ridiculous. You guys just keep throwing out some abstract complaints and can't even point out where the fuck is the specific flaws in this anime.Who even ARE these characters that keep popping out of nowhere man ? I have like absolutely 0 investment in this show at this point, I just want it to end already... I think the problem in this argument is that characters get thrown around and discard quickly due to mass introduction within merely 12 episode, the first disconnection is Kuroe, then Kaede, Mifuyu, Amane sisters. Anime-only doesn't have enough time to get attach to them yet and Alina enters, out of nowhere it seems and quickly got kicked out again.. it's obvious and why people get turn off. Lets say if they when back to Kaede and put a little care about her state of mind, people should feel a lot different. |
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Ether_Real said: hailhomura said: What do you mean? There are 5 main characters according to the OP scene, and at least they did really well development in Felicia and Sana. Why they have to develop a character immediately after they appear? What are expecting then? Develop a character before they appear? How ridiculous. You guys just keep throwing out some abstract complaints and can't even point out where the fuck is the specific flaws in this anime. I think the problem in this argument is that characters get thrown around and discard quickly due to mass introduction within merely 12 episode, the first disconnection is Kuroe, then Kaede, Mifuyu, Amane sisters. Anime-only doesn't have enough time to get attach to them yet and Alina enters, out of nowhere it seems and quickly got kicked out again.. it's obvious and why people get turn off. Lets say if they when back to Kaede and put a little care about her state of mind, people should feel a lot different. The only way to save this anime from being mediocre is to release it 2 cour. We have 4 episodes left and if they trim all 5 chapters remaining to 4 ep it will be SUPER rushed |
Death_spork said: The only way to save this anime from being mediocre is to release it 2 cour. We have 4 episodes left and if they trim all 5 chapters remaining to 4 ep it will be SUPER rushed I think they won't be squeezing the 5 chapters in 3 episodes (chapter 5 is not finished yet and will take one more episode). Though it would be interesting to see where the anime ends. |
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Ether_Real said: I think the problem in this argument is that characters get thrown around and discard quickly due to mass introduction within merely 12 episode, the first disconnection is Kuroe, then Kaede, Mifuyu, Amane sisters. Anime-only doesn't have enough time to get attach to them yet and Alina enters, out of nowhere it seems and quickly got kicked out again.. it's obvious and why people get turn off. Lets say if they when back to Kaede and put a little care about her state of mind, people should feel a lot different. We have one more episode of Sana's arc, and we'll see Alina in next episode. She was thrown out of Labyrinth. Though I'll agree the anime relies on the game if you want to get attached to characters. The game has many things like more elaborate main story, character stories, and the things they say on welcome screen, which makes you super attached to them. The anime just gives an idea about the personality of the non-main characters. |
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hailhomura said: Hatsuyuki said: What do you mean? There are 5 main characters according to the OP scene, and at least they did really well development in Felicia and Sana. Why they have to develop a character immediately after they appear? What are expecting then? Develop a character before they appear? How ridiculous. You guys just keep throwing out some abstract complaints like "characters development" and can't even point out where the fuck is the specific flaw of your so-called "character development". I guess you guys just cant memorize those characters because of your poor memory and therefore blame all of these to the "poor characters development", so pathetic.Who even ARE these characters that keep popping out of nowhere man ? I have like absolutely 0 investment in this show at this point, I just want it to end already... Lmao, calm down hailhomura. People are allowed to criticize your favorite franchise. |
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Hatsuyuki said: hailhomura said: What do you mean? There are 5 main characters according to the OP scene, and at least they did really well development in Felicia and Sana. Why they have to develop a character immediately after they appear? What are expecting then? Develop a character before they appear? How ridiculous. You guys just keep throwing out some abstract complaints like "characters development" and can't even point out where the fuck is the specific flaw of your so-called "character development". I guess you guys just cant memorize those characters because of your poor memory and therefore blame all of these to the "poor characters development", so pathetic. Lmao, calm down hailhomura. People are allowed to criticize your favorite franchise. People are certainly allowed to make meaningless complaints about the character development in this series, but hailhomura's arguments, despite his/her anger, are valid. You cannot demand the development of characters who just appeared, nor want 100% of the characters to have a great depth. Some of them will just be functional and there is nothing wrong with that. In many anime it is normal for some characters to be deeper and others not. As I said up there about the original series, Mami-san had some deepening only in the third episode, Kyouko's story was told in just one episode, Homura's story was told in just one episode and there is nothing wrong with that. Imagine people complaining about Homura's development up to episode 9. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| Slowly I get the feeling that this is just a therapy-show for all the depressed girls in it. Everyone seems to fight with their own problems, which will eventually be resolved resulting in them joining the group of the main cast - making this group bigger every time and thus harder to remember who is who. So now this time is really all about Sana, who is (finally) last the one missing from the main cast. And with this episode, we didn't get to solve one rumor, but two, with one beeing Ai as the mysterious radio signals and the other beeing Sana herself as the invisible girl, mentioned more than one time before. And then there is the Wings of the Magius (or whatever), who seem to interfere with everything related to magic by now. I'm honestly not sure if this is something that will be properly resolved by the end, although there will be some kind of solution to at least some questions concerning them. But for now I really have a hard time caring about anything happening, nothing is really surprising and as I don't really know who is who with the amount of side characters, I can't see this series leaving a remaning impression on me for the future. |
Ryoketsu said: Hatsuyuki said: Lmao, calm down hailhomura. People are allowed to criticize your favorite franchise. People are certainly allowed to make meaningless complaints about the character development in this series, but hailhomura's arguments, despite his/her anger, are valid. You cannot demand the development of characters who just appeared, nor want 100% of the characters to have a great depth. Some of them will just be functional and there is nothing wrong with that. In many anime it is normal for some characters to be deeper and others not. As I said up there about the original series, Mami-san had some deepening only in the third episode, Kyouko's story was told in just one episode, Homura's story was told in just one episode and there is nothing wrong with that. Imagine people complaining about Homura's development up to episode 9. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In the main series we had like 5 main girls and the story focused on them exclusively, each were given enough screen time and were properly developed by the end of the series. Here, characters are being introduced without any sort of build up and the frantic pace does not allow room for development. These characters have been so whimsically presented that I honestly don't think I even remembered their names except for the MC. |
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houlouk said: I have noted that people who like this anime the most are those that have played the game,(maybe because they know characters story), it's quite revealing imho and above all if the aim was to sell the game, I think it is a fail. I think it is also for that reason, that the score is going down permanently (people who watch it first are those who played the game) regardless the quality of each episode. Anime-only watcher here. I'm kind of "defending" this anime because it really isn't that disgrace that some people make it seem, especially when it comes to the characters. I have my criticisms of the anime, I think it has already made serious mistakes and would probably not give my 10/10 even if the last four episodes were perfect and made me cry. I hate the fact that the anime is using the new "doppel" transformation back and forth before explaining it. I really don't like the fact that the protagonist hasn't managed to defeat even an enemy until now (except when she released that transformation). I don't like the total absence of danger of death in this series, as it seems like no one will get hurt and all problems will be solved. I also don't like the direction in the action scenes, there hasn't been an impressive battle so far. But the characters are great. There are those that only have a punctual role to play and will not be deepened at any time, but those that receive focus are well worked and have humanity. Their feelings are understandable, their motivations make sense and it is easy to sympathize with them. In addition, anime has several other really good things like the mysteries, the rumors, the plot, the art, the music, the direction in the calm moments and the drama. Overall, the balance of the anime is positive and I don't think it deserves the mediocre score it has. In fact it is a little frustrating, because there was potential to be much better. |
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Ryoketsu said: Anime-only watcher here. I'm kind of "defending" this anime because it really isn't that disgrace that some people make it seem, especially when it comes to the characters. I have my criticisms of the anime, I think it has already made serious mistakes and would probably not give my 10/10 even if the last four episodes were perfect and made me cry. I hate the fact that the anime is using the new "doppel" transformation back and forth before explaining it. I really don't like the fact that the protagonist hasn't managed to defeat even an enemy until now (except when she released that transformation). I don't like the total absence of danger of death in this series, as it seems like no one will get hurt and all problems will be solved. I also don't like the direction in the action scenes, there hasn't been an impressive battle so far. But the characters are great. There are those that only have a punctual role to play and will not be deepened at any time, but those that receive focus are well worked and have humanity. Their feelings are understandable, their motivations make sense and it is easy to sympathize with them. In addition, anime has several other really good things like the mysteries, the rumors, the plot, the art, the music, the direction in the calm moments and the drama. Overall, the balance of the anime is positive and I don't think it deserves the mediocre score it has. In fact it is a little frustrating, because there was potential to be much better. I see what you mean here, with the characters. If you analyze them separately, many of them are definitely compelling. My personal favorite is Felicia, but many others have potential. The problem is, there simply are TOO MANY characters. The original Madoka had a relatively small cast of 5 main girls, plus Kyubey and a few side chars like Hitomi. Here, on the other hand, we've already witnessed at least a few dozen mahou shoujo already. If I hadn't checked the characters' page on MAL I wouldn't even have any idea that Sana is supposed to be a MC instead of YET another throw-away secondary char. This problem is compounded by a much bigger one: this show has no direction. Two (interrelated) strong points of the original Madoka were that: 1) At any point in the series the show had a clear short/medium-term goal guiding the plot. First it was Madoka and Sayaka planning to become Magical Girls, then it was Madoka NOT becoming a Magical Girl (and Sayaka coping with her unfortunate new condition), then it was saving Sayaka, and finally trying to somehow break the circle of fate started by Homura's wish. 2) Everything that happened during the episode always felt connected to the main plot. You were hardly ever left wondering what's the point of what you're watching. Or in other words, none of Madoka's episodes rly ever felt, well... episodic. In Magia Record, on the other hand, there's no sense of pace. Things happen, at irregular intervals, and I often am left scratching my head about why this thing happened or that other thing is something I'm supposed to care about. With all the hanging subplots this show has, you'd think it'd have better things to do than waste your time with YET another character or YET another Rumor-of-the-week. Overall, it's not a bad show - I've seen worse, that's for sure. But whereas Madoka was a masterpiece, this one is just a slightly-above-average seasonal. For now, at least (but rly, it's been 10 episodes so far, I'm kinda tired of saying "for now" when the cour is nearly over). |
| WTF, episode 9 and people keep saying the same stupid line "WaY ToO Many CHaRaCteRs", in going to put every in point without spoilers so can "enjoy" this work: 1. Stop worriying about pace, this show it gonna be a split season almost 100% secure. 2. This anime adapts an "Mobile Game" so it has a lot of charcaters and those cameo are needed for the sake of their fans, we dont care about "whos that girl, why do show me her and dont tell me everything about her?", this anime its also trying to get more people into the game so you can play and learn everything from each one, its called "marketing". 3. MagiReco its a Story on its own universe so Madoka and Homura are just simple Magical Girls. 4. Original cast isnt the protagonist here, the Kamihama girls are the protagonist. 5. The "pseudo-witch" transformation isnt explained full yet bcuz who made it dont appear yet (its so hard to get this conclusion?). 6. If you dont like the series until now them stop watching it and come back after its fully ended (yeah also with 2nd cour), why im saying this, cuz probabably this seaon gonna end in a cliffhanger for the other cour and you dont gonna be pleased anyways If you have any other question ill be glad to answer, but i dont give you spoilers so you can enjoy story by yourself, otherwise go google "How end MagiaRecord" and i know you gonna keep watching the series until we got that "End". |
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Zarator said: In Magia Record, on the other hand, there's no sense of pace. Things happen, at irregular intervals, and I often am left scratching my head about why this thing happened or that other thing is something I'm supposed to care about. With all the hanging subplots this show has, you'd think it'd have better things to do than waste your time with YET another character or YET another Rumor-of-the-week. I agree the beginning of this story is too episodic and so we don't have the feeling that things are going somewhere. At least Futaba Sana is the last character in the main group that was yet to appear, so it is to be hoped that from now on things will start moving towards completion. I have the impression that until now Magia Record is in that "preparation phase" in which the pieces are placed on the board before the game actually takes place, something that often happens in 2-cour anime. This is not yet officially confirmed, but there is no way this story could be finished in the remaining four episodes. |
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Luismy-Kun said: 5. The "pseudo-witch" transformation isnt explained full yet bcuz who made it dont appear yet (its so hard to get this conclusion?). I just don't like this new transformation being used to solve a big problem before it's explained. Using this before it makes sense makes it seems like its a deus ex machina. I'm not saying it is. But it seems to be, until the explanation is made. |
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Ryoketsu said: Luismy-Kun said: 5. The "pseudo-witch" transformation isnt explained full yet bcuz who made it dont appear yet (its so hard to get this conclusion?). I just don't like this new transformation being used to solve a big problem before it's explained. Using this before it makes sense makes it seems like its a deus ex machina. I'm not saying it is. But it seems to be, until the explanation is made. The problems its you see keep trying (like much people) to force Magia Record into the rules of Main Series when MagiReco its a separate timeline in a pararell universe, i cant tell you more without spoil you decisive information about the final of the Story, the only thing i can tell you its ok to have issues with this but when all pieces get in his place you be thankfull everything wasnt said from start, bcuz isnt goin to be grateful experience... |
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Luismy-Kun said: The problems its you see keep trying (like much people) to force Magia Record into the rules of Main Series I am the one who is defending MagiReco from this type of comparison. I fully understand that this is a different story, with a different approach, a different tone and a different proposal. To want something to make sense before this "something" is used to solve problems is not to evaluate Magia Record expecting to see Madoka Magica. Luismy-Kun said: its ok to have issues with this but when all pieces get in his place you be thankfull everything wasnt said from start, bcuz isnt goin to be grateful experience... I want to hope so. |
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Luismy-Kun said: I wouldn't make any assumptions. It's rather late for them to not have announced it, so I wouldn't be too hopeful about it(at best, I'd expect it to be in a ready-to-start state, waiting for the sales figures).1. Stop worriying about pace, this show it gonna be a split season almost 100% secure. salarx said: Given that they completely rewrote Endless Solitude, I'm expecting them to segue straight into chapter six, rather than spend an extra episode specifically winding her plot down. If they keep letting the anime be its own thing, the more natural stopping place of chapter seven should easily be achievable.I think they won't be squeezing the 5 chapters in 3 episodes (chapter 5 is not finished yet and will take one more episode). Though it would be interesting to see where the anime ends. Ryoketsu said: Having Iroha's Doppel of Silence be a deus ex machina in the Seance Shrine arc made sense because it served to introduce the concept without context, allowing us to join the characters in wondering what the hell just happened(the same as when Kaede summoned her Doppel of Conquest). I do agree that the way it was used against the Uwasa of the Misery Rhyton serves no purpose and really shouldn't have been done, though; it screams to me that they ran out of time and had to conclude the battle somehow.I just don't like this new transformation being used to solve a big problem before it's explained. Using this before it makes sense makes it seems like its a deus ex machina. I'm not saying it is. But it seems to be, until the explanation is made. Well, at least there's no cutting out the upcoming explanation, unlike Tsukuyo's. |
| There are several facts why anime seemingly failed to delivers, some were already mentioned: 1. The series is purely to advertise the game, attract old fans from world wide since NA server are up for some time now, they obviously try to alter the story so not to spoil too much content, for when people who dwell into it can fully enjoy the origin. 2. They are actively trying to regroup the main cast as soon as they can, anime-only couldn't keep up due to how rush the series were going since the story took forever before reaching to this point. They also mistake fans could understand the way they did with Rebellion movie. 3. Cutting down to only crucial scene still won't manage in 1 cour, seeing the series in ending people who are still confused thirst for clear explanation behind the mystery of doppel system and main villains. If going by tradition they most likely hang up with expecting viewer to find out what comes next through the game, easy. 4. If relevant, Madoka fans should put aside Urobuchi's work and enjoy this light-hearted world, people who expect malice and dark plot will not be satisfied by the lack of suffering here. But you can't be sure for the next 3 episode, have faith in Shaft folks. |
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Polycell said: Having Iroha's Doppel of Silence be a deus ex machina in the Seance Shrine arc made sense because it served to introduce the concept without context, allowing us to join the characters in wondering what the hell just happened(the same as when Kaede summoned her Doppel of Conquest) NA player here, didn't know that Iroha's doppel generic name is 'Doppel of Silence'. |
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dindasmart said: Although, I realize it's for the best on the context of Magia Records. Madoka and Homura was just.. Being there. So, them appearing is more for fanservice haha. I agree. There was no room for Madoka and Homura in the arc of episodes 8 and 9. They would have no reason to appear and nothing to do. |
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| Guys if you actually make an script with the origional history from the game thats gonna be an awful adaptation, i really consider the work of the director aka InuCurry, to make sense in this soup called MagiReco game history, no joking if you actually take time and play after you watch the anime you will agree... Ryoketsu said: dindasmart said: Although, I realize it's for the best on the context of Magia Records. Madoka and Homura was just.. Being there. So, them appearing is more for fanservice haha. I agree. There was no room for Madoka and Homura in the arc of episodes 8 and 9. They would have no reason to appear and nothing to do. Good point there, actually Madoka and Homura at that part of the chapter in the game its even more weird their presence bcuz they help in the fight and do nothing more than that, sad but true. |
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| I think I know the main problem here, and coming off the mobile game (which I enjoy despite its problems, primarily BECAUSE of the characters), the issue is the game itself just isn't a good story. And I don't mean that in the way it has nothing to say (there are definitely themes bleeding into the narrative of the anime). Nor am I saying that the moment-to-moment is badly written, because even in the anime I'd say that there are good stuff like the subtle characterization and overarching Magius plot (the idea of it anyway, pls Inu Curry do it right and don't bungle its villains like the game did). However, the very nature of the game's story was to the anime's detriment. While it's a definite that we're getting a second cour, for a lot of people we've spent too much time collecting new characters like... like a Gatcha game. And before we can feel like we're getting true character development, it's onto the next girl, the next monster of the week. This repetitive formular disallows viewers to wonder what's going to happen next because it doesn't feel like anything significant is happening by the episode. Just a little bit of growth, a little bit of new information gained. But the game had the advantage of its length - we were drip-fed information while spending a LOT of time with girls like Momoko and Mitama. We were clearly building to a climax. This show, however, it needs to cram the buildup into thirteen episodes - that means introducing and establishing EIGHTEEN CHARACTERS, which includes the OG five, within such a short amount of time, ON TOP of these mysteries with no clear answers which get built on top of more. It's tiring and unfulfilling to some, especially those who just don't want to put the work into dissecting these characters and their behaviors, dialogue, and the symbolism that surrounds them by the scene. Because, if you do that, there most certainly IS depth and complexity there. Enough for me to, for now, rate this a solid 7/10. However, it's clear in the state of anime and what's popular, that people just don't want to do that kind of work. They want to be given a twisty, complex narrative that delivers big feels and jaw-dropping moments. The original Madoka had that advantage (and ripple effect) by being the first of its kind to do it all and more excellently than attempts past. By being stapled the name, Magia Record has the unfortunate curse of being forever compared to its big sister AND being a massive story crammed into a little show. I have faith the show will find its footing once we're done with this cour, because episode 8 showed us that when we take a breath, it does some subtle but noticeable, and altogether compelling, things with its characters. TL;DR this game's story by nature of it being a gatcha game does not make for a compelling narrative, despite this show's attempts to rectify that to the best of the medium's ability. Normies aren't going to like it because you have to stop and analyze to really appreciate its depths. |
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| The problem is that the show is just uninteresting. The main series could hook you up from the beginning with ep 3 being the decisive factor if you could handle Urobuchi's writing or not. The spin off is nowhere near that. Ui? Baby QB? Doppel? Why is the series treating what should be interesting elements as one time mysteries? Ui's case has been more prominent but it's been like 2 eps I think we forgot about her? Madoka Magika never had dropped the focus on ANY of it's mysteries.We may had to focus on Sayaka's slow descend to suffering but it was still relevant to Madoka's story. Sayaka was dealing with all that shit but then we get the scene where Homura kills QB right in front of Madoka and reveals her powers to him. Ui and Iroha are seemingly(I havent played the game so I dont know) irrelevant to everything else that is happening. Whether they help magical girl #4324 or not it doesnt seem to have any impact on their story. And as far as Rumors and Creators of Rumors used as antagonists ,Toilet-bound Hanako-kun makes a way better job at it even tho Shaft's style should have given MaRecord the edge. It isnt about twisty, complex narrative. How can I care about these characters or the plot when the show itself doesnt? It doesnt have to be as good a Madoka Magika or even half as good. |
| hmmmmm...sad episode nonetheless... at least...Tamaki is there for Futaba when Ai's inevitable deletion came at hand... 4/5. |
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Luismy-Kun said: 1. Stop worriying about pace, this show it gonna be a split season almost 100% secure. Just because it's going to be a split season doesn't excuse it for poor pace. Kono Oto Tomare had great pacing despite being a split season, for example. 2. This anime adapts an "Mobile Game" so it has a lot of charcaters and those cameo are needed for the sake of their fans, we dont care about "whos that girl, why do show me her and dont tell me everything about her?", this anime its also trying to get more people into the game so you can play and learn everything from each one, its called "marketing". Since when marketing logic makes for a good show? 3. MagiReco its a Story on its own universe so Madoka and Homura are just simple Magical Girls. 4. Original cast isnt the protagonist here, the Kamihama girls are the protagonist. What does this have to do with the issue of having too many characters? Even if you took out Mami and Kyoko (the only ones from the original cast we saw so far), the problem would still stand 5. The "pseudo-witch" transformation isnt explained full yet bcuz who made it dont appear yet (its so hard to get this conclusion?). I agree - but again, even the original Madoka had stuff it didn't explain until the very end (such as who Homura really was), so that's not clearly the issue at hand. Yuhani said: Some anime widely considered to be among the best have a lot of characters and a complicated plot. Those qualities don't not make a series "bad". I dunno which anime you're thinking of, here. Looking at my own list, there are several anime among my 10/10s that fit your description, such as Steins;Gate, Shinsekai Yori and Shirobako. So yeah, I do agree that having a large cast doesn't make a work bad per se. The difference, I guess, is that those shows had a clear separation between main and secondary characters. In other words, amidst the huge cast of secondary characters you had a bunch of few clearly defined protagonists that actually gave the show the focus it needed. With Magia Record, on the other hand, the focus constantly shifted from one group to the next with no sense of continuity whatsoever. I mean, this kind of pacing could be fine for a videogame where party members come and go without much hassle, but for an anime it just feels jarring. Magireco's plot is about solving a mystery. Of course it won't be immediately clear what the meaning of each event is in the big picture. And that'd be fine per se - the original Madoka also left a lot of stuff in the dark until the very end (Homura's backstory, Kyubey's intentions, the nature of Witches etc.). The difference is that the original Madoka also gave you something to look forward to in the short term. The show was divided in basically 3 mini-arcs (eps 1-3, eps 4-8, and eps 9-12), and within each mini-arc there was a compelling build up of the plot that actually made you feel like the story was advancing in a certain direction. Each mini-arc also led itself into the next one seamlessly, despite all the plot twists. In Magia Record, on the other hand, I constantly feel as if the writers were telling me "and now for something completely different". Mini-plots (and associated characters) are initiated and left hanging within 1-2 episode, without any real sense of moving towards a direction of some kind. If you were to ask me now: "What could the next episodes be about? Where is the story heading? What/Who are you worried about?" I'd honestly have no idea how to respond. Just like I wouldn't have known for the last 8 episodes. Whereas in the original Madoka you always had plot questions such as "Is Madoka going to become a magical girl? What's going to happen to Sayaka?" that the plot kept tackling episode after episode, giving you a feel of urgency and expectation that Magia Record completely misses. |
| I'd say the real problem is that they're trying to adapt a story that's simply far too long: a single cour is going to have a little over five hours to work with, which is less than half of the length of the game through chapter 6(where we'll end up if they break cadence) and only about a third of the game through chapter 7(where we'll end if they don't). Ending it after this chapter(ie, after the main cast is finally assembled) probably would've been a better idea, since substantially less compression would've been required. |
Zarator said: In Magia Record, on the other hand, I constantly feel as if the writers were telling me "and now for something completely different". Mini-plots (and associated characters) are initiated and left hanging within 1-2 episode, without any real sense of moving towards a direction of some kind. If you were to ask me now: "What could the next episodes be about? Where is the story heading? What/Who are you worried about?" I'd honestly have no idea how to respond. Just like I wouldn't have known for the last 8 episodes. Whereas in the original Madoka you always had plot questions such as "Is Madoka going to become a magical girl? What's going to happen to Sayaka?" that the plot kept tackling episode after episode, giving you a feel of urgency and expectation that Magia Record completely misses. The biggest problem with how this story is written is due to the fact that it is adapting another story that was written to work in a very different format. I have the strong impression that what we have seen so far was only the presentation of the characters before the plot starts to move forward. With all the characters introduced, it seems to be only now that things will actually start moving. Leaving us with a cliffhanger at the end of the season to finish the story in the second cour. This is especially problematic in the format of a one cour anime because people expect a thirteen episode series to be concise and to the point. The reception of the series would be better if it were a two-cour anime, but that still wouldn't solve its biggest problem: the fact that nothing happens at the beginning of the story. If the storyline actually begins only after all five characters in the main cast are introduced (Iroha, Yachiyo, Tsuruno, Felicia and Sana), then nothing great or impactful can happen before that. Fights have no consequences, choices have no consequences, no event has a big impact, there is no tragedy or change of perspective. |
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| [quote=Zarator message=59286412] Luismy-Kun said: 1. Stop worriying about pace, this show it gonna be a split season almost 100% secure. Just because it's going to be a split season doesn't excuse it for poor pace. Kono Oto Tomare had great pacing despite being a split season, for example. In my post i said you can "ENJOY" so i didnt mean this irs a masterpiece, because we know these things are subjetive, when im saying stop worriying its because most people tend to think the history gonna be finished in episode 13 and they feel we didnt explore every character of at least the main cast (Tsuruno/Yachiyo) in the other hand put me another example because Kono Oto Tomere dont even share 1 genre with Magia Record despite i also watched it and liked but for the sake of the comparison i think dont fit. 2. This anime adapts an "Mobile Game" so it has a lot of charcaters and those cameo are needed for the sake of their fans, we dont care about "whos that girl, why do show me her and dont tell me everything about her?", this anime its also trying to get more people into the game so you can play and learn everything from each one, its called "marketing". Since when marketing logic makes for a good show? Again you are putting things i didnt said, i said they need at least to portray some characters of all the cast, Kamihama in an enormous urbe, Yachiyo only its the boss from a part of the city, but in ther other side of the city we have another girl in charge and she has some small group in charge (like felicia first group), what im triying to say its this city has his clomplex organization so girls dont crush on thers girls and of course all gonna matter in the end of the story (dont say more because it a spoiler), its imposible to tell every girl story even with 52 episode anime, so if you are interested the logic decisition its go play their personal chapters and learn about them and it the same time the game developers are doind their work. 3. MagiReco its a Story on its own universe so Madoka and Homura are just simple Magical Girls. 4. Original cast isnt the protagonist here, the Kamihama girls are the protagonist. What does this have to do with the issue of having too many characters? Even if you took out Mami and Kyoko (the only ones from the original cast we saw so far), the problem would still stand. "Issue" its for you, for me isnt because make me feel Mahou Shoujo in this world really exist outside of Mitakihara, only Mahou Shoujo from outside was Kyoko in the OG series, i think its called "worldbuiding". 5. The "pseudo-witch" transformation isnt explained full yet bcuz who made it dont appear yet (its so hard to get this conclusion?). I agree - but again, even the original Madoka had stuff it didn't explain until the very end (such as who Homura really was), so that's not clearly the issue at hand. Yeah at this point some people, even not players may know who "made it". |
Luismy-KunMar 7, 2020 7:37 AM
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