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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Hmm the part about the wish and those color pages..idk how to feel about this. However, I think the series has been an incredible ride from the start. Going to miss the series for sure ;_; |
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| well, still a lot of unanswered things, but it was an okay ending.. kinda rushed though |
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| Kind of indifferent towards the ending; I wish the scroll and some other details were explained a little better and I also felt more invested in Yamagata over Goodman, but the series overall had so many high moments, it was definitely worth the read. The first half especially was near flawless. The story and timeline was so colossal - Urasawa and Nagasaki did such a good job with the writing. Can't wait for their next work. |
| This series was great until towards the end imo, felt this had too many loose ends to just end it there |
| It's up to us, everyone. We're basically sitting at the moment before BillyLand (Big Business) takes over the world completely and screws everyone over, turning everyone against eachother for profit and so forth, so let's be better than that, let's turn off the news and think for ourselves, what we believe is right and wrong, and move forward with we know and feel is right instead of what we're told is right. Urasawa-sensei's got the right idea. |
| I kinda have the feeling that Urusawa doesn't know how to end his mangas. 20th century Boys, Pluto, Billy Bat have weird endings. |
The_FanAug 28, 2016 1:44 AM
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| I wonder if this series got cancelled or something. Seems like there were a lot of ideas that didn't get fleshed out very much especially towards the last few volumes. Timmy in particular I would have liked to see much more of. But, either way I enjoyed this series to the end, thank you Urasawa (and Nagasaki) |
| Hm...okay? Ah man, Urasawa and his endings. Besides being kind of unsatisfying this one actually felt rather preachy. But the build-up of the series was amazing as usual. Was a 9/10 throughout most of the manga but I might change it to an 8/10 now. Not sure yet, will re-read it rather soon since the final 4 volumes will probably be published in Germany by the end of 2017. Gonna leave it at 9/10 for now, taking my personal Urasawa bias into account. |
| That was a nice ending to the story I guess. I look forward to the mangaka's next work. |
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| Hated the ending! Hated the arcs from 2000s! I didn't get the concept of the bat. It changed the meaning during the series, and it was very rushed. There were too many characters to care about. Really Yamagata's chapters were the best. Also Sissy and Harry and Japanese mangakas made me cry. I still think the manga should have ended on the moon arc, when that guy made a wish to the moon Billy. |
Touka said: Kind of indifferent towards the ending; I wish the scroll and some other details were explained a little better and I also felt more invested in Yamagata over Goodman, but the series overall had so many high moments, it was definitely worth the read. The first half especially was near flawless. The story and timeline was so colossal - Urasawa and Nagasaki did such a good job with the writing. Can't wait for their next work. Edaniel said: Hated the ending! Hated the arcs from 2000s! I didn't get the concept of the bat. It changed the meaning during the series, and it was very rushed. There were too many characters to care about. Really Yamagata's chapters were the best. Also Sissy and Harry and Japanese mangakas made me cry. I still think the manga should have ended on the moon arc, when that guy made a wish to the moon Billy. So, I haven't read the ending yet, but this is a pattern of what I have see a lot from Urasawa Naoki's works. Naoki seems like he has a hate for telling a story without introducing more characters after the halfway arc. Like. 20th Century boys had the glasses girls and the post-wall Japan arcs, this had Kevin Goodman, Monster also had this refusal to stop introducing characters. I am almost always intrigued by Naoki's works in the first half, but after the second half just doesn't follow up from the first. Naoki doesn't like to just play with the pieces he introduced in the first half but it almost feels like that he wants to RESET after the first half by introducing a bunch of characters I don't care about. It's sad really. |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
The_Fan said: I kinda have the feeling that Urusawa doesn't know how to end his mangas. 20th century Boys, Pluto, Billy Bat have weird endings. EXACTLY how I feel. Even Monster had a weak as hell second half. He hypes his series up to some epic confrontation in the first half, but then nothign like that ever happens in these series. |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
| The ending was rushed and definitely felt like it was about to be cancelled. The whole bat thing was explained in the last few chapters but it wasn't explain fully. It is too abstract even by Urasawa's standards. It's nice though that the ending speaks to us of human solidarity despite all the tensions. To keep on "drawing the comic" until the end no matter how bad things get. And since Urasawa did not expound on the bat, we can only guess what exactly is Billy Bat. I have this feeling though that Urasawa is trying to portray Billy Bat as the "God" like being in the manga. It seems far fetched, but here are some clues that point to this theory: 1. Trinity (3 bats) as one 2. How billy bat always say that humans always ask him what to do since the dawn of time and how he has always been present even before the humans appeared. 3. How billy bat operates- Billy bat can't get directly involved in the events that happen. The outcomes are actually made by man. For example the power to change events actually lies with Goodman, not billy bat. 4. The line, "I've simply been abiding by the truth and rules of the universe...expanding spaces in order to bring about their end. Then a bunch of pathetic life forms like yourselves were born..." and "I've been watching you guys from the moon" ch 160. Also, the line by one of the bats in ch 159, "But if he (Einstein) actually were to discover the truth behind the universe and found your flappy self there, he'd be pretty disappointed." Funny thing is everything I quoted is in the last few chapters, so it's pretty rushed. |
| I liked the last two chapters with the soldiers, but i feel like there are a lot of unanswered questions. But oh well, I'm the best person to know how Urasawa's endings are. 9/10 |
| I really liked the last chapters. But still would have wanted more explanations and maybe more of a conclusion with Kevin and Timmy. But I've learned to not expect to much from Urasawa's endings. Overall I really enjoyed the whole manga, but not quite as much as Monster or 20th Century Boys. I preferred Kevin Goodman as a main character but felt both he and Kevin Yamagata were not as interesting or compelling as Tenma or Kenji. I loved the history-aspect of it and it was interesting to see how the manga portrayed historical persons and different conspiracy theories. |
| what a beautiful, emotional ending to an amazing series. This manga felt like a good movie and I'm upset that I'll never be able to read it for the first time again. |
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| Around the "shit", there is a hope, a hope for a better future, this was the last wish, a wish of continuity, not of change!!! Well, this final chapter, it´s not bad, but also not the best, acceptable just!!! 10/10 for this manga, because joined great points, great historical facts, with beautiful characters full of personality, mixed fiction and reals!!! Another great point was the mystery, conductive thread of this manga!!! |
| Well that whole manga was quite a ride, even if the conclusion was a little unsatisfactory. I wish a lot more had been explained but I still enjoyed it. |
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| I agree that Urasawa's works have rather weak climaxes, but I really don't agree that they have weak endings.. 20th Century Boys's rooftop scene is really beautiful, and so is this two soldiers' scene.. I increased the score from 7/10 to 8/10 just because of this beautiful last scene ... |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| The ride was good but the end was certainly unsatisfying. In the end we almost know not more than in the beginning. Downgrading it to 7/10 |
| Trying to watch all available anime series so you won't have to anymore, the list of anime I can recommend is still in progress, tho |
| I don't really feel like it left any loose ends, I'm not sure what everyone else is talking about. Just this conclusion seems enough... Hey, I feel like finding Urasawa and going to ask if he could be my master. What a silly thought! :'D |
| What a manga. I feel this series had a very strong start. After it gets out of its own confusion (those for me were the first 20 chapters, until Kanbei) the manga goes really high up. I will say that for me the peak was the 60's when Kennedy was killed. After that the Kii village arc was really nice, and the fact that Goodman was the successor was a great idea as well, but he is not as interesting as Yamagata in my opinion. He had everything setup and easy compared to the Japanese dude. The last third of the manga goes really downhill, and whats worst is that we ended up knowing basically as little of the bat as the beginning. The fact that Yamagata ended up looking exactly as his Zofuu felt lazy, the last arc is not interesting and the ending is very, very cliche. For me it is an 8/10 because of how good the mysteries, characters and how tied all of the sub plots were up until Kevin got headshot. After that the series stayed okay until Hitler, and from the 90's onward it just felt messy. |
| Another great manga from the creator of Monster and Pluto series. Sadly this one fails to live up to the standards set by those stories, but still provides an immensely engaging story with a lot of philosophical depth to it. A big thumbs up for such an interesting use of some important modern historical figures and events. But honestly - people are probably just disappointed by this manga because the author created so many better stories earlier in his life. And I can't say I am any different - if it was made my some different author, I would have much higher praises for it.. but since I know this one was made by the best of the best - it kind of felt a bit disappointing.. seeing how the old authors of classics start to fade away with nothing to replace them. But despite all that - it's something I thoroughly enjoyed, a strong 9/10. |
| The journey has come to an end damn...I loved this chapter how it's shows the human ideology as always Urasawa is a true legend but idk why if it comes to ending a manga Urasawa feels off at the part nvm the manga overall was great as said In manga "believe in yourself of what right and wrong is" Thanks you Urasawa-sensei and Nagasaki |
| So Urasawa ended the story with more meta-commentaries - on stories and probably on him as a mangaka too. Doing away with the established cast and using a few new characters for the final conclusion was a brave decision, but it wasn't bad, I think. And even though some things might be not explained from start to finish, they don't introduce inconsistencies to the manga, and we can add up the details ourselves. Though I'd say the manga could've been shorter and just fine still - I nevertheless enjoyed the journey a lot. A big appeal of Urasawa's stories is their length and all the characters that come along the way, with their arcs and lives entangling with each other and teaching some lessons. It might be a love it or hate it thing, but I definitely love it. It's also nice to note that the final chapter seemed to diverge from Hitler's depressing final painting, thus showing hope and the possibility of changing the future (since we had 3 surviving characters, not 1). Though that scene kinda reminded me of Johan's childhood memories. P.S. The main mystery is the origin of "Chuck Culkin", not Billy Bat :p |
St0rmbladeMar 31, 2021 3:15 PM
| Amazing series! I liked most of the characters and the story was so good. I also liked the ending! Now it’s time for Pluto. |
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| Absolutely wonderful, I wish Naoki could expand the series more since I haven't satisfied with the ending yet. Overall, one of the greatest manga I've read, the amazing concept, some history callback and the idea of mixing Manga with Comic, reality and fantasy, the past and the future are really unique and daring. The last message to humanity is meaningful, a Naoki Urasawa masterpiece... 9.5/10 |
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| Masterpiece. I read this manga in one sitting from 6AM to 4PM, more than 9 hours. And I can say this is better than 20th century boy and Monster for me. It made me cry twice in a row: Old chuck culkin tried to draw the final time, and the reveal of the role of Kevin Goodman and the conclusion of the story. Gosh, the best thing is I cry but I don't feel sad. I give this manga 10/10. A masterpiece. |
snowwolf163Jun 14, 2022 7:12 PM
| Wow this series was amazing! I knew that ending won't resolve anything at all because that's how Naoki makes his mangas. I still liked the ending and I think it's the perfect way to finish like that. Urasawa is such a genius! |
| Sorry for my english xD! RIP Kentaro Miura :( RIP Akira Toriyama :(  |
| The fact that we didn't see some kind of resolution for character arcs made me depressed. I mean, we got resolution to some of them but none of them felt satisfying. 8/10 |
| Honestly I'm fine with this ending. I'd even say that I like it. The manga was amazing, but that was to be expected from Urasawa. 9/10 |
| That was a very solid ending! Overall, I enjoyed this series so much and I’m a bit sad the manga got overshadowed by Urasawa’s other works like Monster and 20CB. Hopefully, sooner or later it will get its own chance to shine, like Pluto did. |
| It was nice ending I guess, got bit boring in last few chapters though Looking forward to his next work. |
| plin plin plon |
| A relatively open ending with a lot of unanswered questions. Just as you expect for Urasawa works. I still liked, though. The fact that Sergei and, especially, Johnny became two of my favourite characters in the series despite only knowing them after the story basically ended speaks volume of how great the characterisation in this manga is. Time to watch a few YouTube analysis and theory videos. |
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