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| Love is when you be kind to everyone and didn't give a single complaint when something hurts you. Huh,what a crazy meaning over there. Almost impossible to do. |
RealTheAbsurdist said: Alexblackbread said: so love is basically don't discriminate ??, its still confusing because isn't love of showing a somewhat of affection instead of just.... doing nothing ??? I think according to Canute and the priest, love = accepting all; not discriminating against anyone. RealTheAbsurdist said: ooohhhh I see , ok now I get it. thanks for the clarification :)Alexblackbread said: so love is basically don't discriminate ??, its still confusing because isn't love of showing a somewhat of affection instead of just.... doing nothing ??? I think according to Canute and the priest, love = accepting all; not discriminating against anyone. |
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| So this kind of shit everyone likes this show for ? Aight then. Lmao at great character development. The character change was too sudden and occured in a short amount of time with no build up or slowly changing of the character. Just throw in some seemingly deep ideological bullshit (which is probably author's imposition of his viewpoint onto the character), do a 180° turn on the character and boom, folks will gobble it up. Anyway boring episode as usual. Apparently in this supposedly realistic anime, dead can now talk to people via dreams, Lmao. Normal shonen shenanigans with the fight. We know nothing is gonna happen to Thorfinn anyway. Also, Thorfinn throwing edgy one-liners as usual. Atleast I got a good laugh outta this stupidity. 3/5 |
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ttcchen said: emraanash said: there is. A story cannot exist without a plot. You are not understanding the fundamentals of writing.point number 3 that's what I was saying the whole fricking time! so far there is none. I have watched 18 episode but I didn't understand the plot? okay, go on.... tell me about it... |
“You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin” . |
| I expected Canute to take a little longer than that, to transform I mean. And definitely not because of that drunk priest lol |
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Cyber_Icarus said: emraanash said: this is about a war okay, where was the war? where is the detailing? they have to show us the cause and effect for connection and impactful drama, but so far there was none. and its been 18 episode for fu*ks sake! It's not. The main focus is the characters and their struggles. The war is just a part of the show's setting. It's not the main focus. war should have been the main focus....... there aren't many characters... emraanash said: Cyber_Icarus said: The story isn't expansive in scope with crazy plot twists like GoT for example because it's mostly character driven. You don't need an "expansive" story if the writing and character drama are good enough. I don't get your second point. The directing and the atmosphere are on point in this series. So it's not good because it doesn't have plot twists and that kind of stuff? lmao great logic mate. The story is only simple on surface level. there's enough nuanced writing in the series for people who want "deep" shit in their anime. for me anime is all about connecting with characters. when they cry I cry, when they laugh I laugh.. but in case of vinland saga I didn't find it. I know its a seinen anime , and there is a lot of seinen anime with simple plot ....... check out parasyte the maxim from madhouse so simple yet so powerful. and parasyte had 24 episodes. RealTheAbsurdist said: emraanash said: they narrated it, didn't show it...... 30sec to 2min max ... only focus was askeladd.... I don't understand. Now, I don't know much about the historical war between Denmark and England, but...the characters in the show are fighting the enemy. We're seeing them fight individual battles, win, and so forth. Isn't that showing the war? I think if studios made war the main story that would have been great...... I don't know.......... and sometime the anime's so slow sometimes its too fast... there is many problem that should have been fixed.... Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
FancyjasperNov 26, 2019 2:45 PM
| “You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin”. |
| episode was meh tbh. i do like the priest's speech about discrimination, but the character development made for Canute was utter trash tbh. you simply don't make a 180 degree shift in character at a drop of a hat, character development is built up overtime. also what the fuck was with that berserk thing? its kinda stupid tbh, he's too far gone to the point that he was about to attack the thing he needs to protect and then he gets snapped back to reality by someone he isn't really close with? by him frowning his face, and lecturing your about shit? what the actual fuck? last thing is the fact that Thorkell was having a hard time against Thorfinn was a complete facepalm. i'd give it a 2/5 |
death604Nov 18, 2019 9:27 AM
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emraanash said: Cyber_Icarus said: It's not. The main focus is the characters and their struggles. The war is just a part of the show's setting. It's not the main focus. war should have been the main focus....... there aren't many characters... you don't need 100 different characters to make a compelling character drama. death604 said: episode was meh tbh. i do like the priest's speech about discrimination, but the character development made for Canute was utter trash tbh. you simply don't make a 180 degree shift in character at a drop of a hat, character development is built up overtime. also what the fuck was with that berserk thing? its kinda stupid tbh, he's too far gone to the point that he was about to attack the thing he needs to protect and then he gets snapped back to reality by someone he isn't really close with? by him frowning his face, and lecturing your about shit? what the actual fuck? last thing is the fact that Thorkell was having a hard time against Thorfinn was a complete facepalm. i'd give it a 2/5 yes you do. that's how trauma works, plus he's been struggling with his beliefs for quite a while now so it didn't come outta nowhere. how is this a bad thing exactly? i love the nitpicking in the thread lol Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
FancyjasperNov 25, 2019 2:53 PM
| I personally found the animation to better than the last one. The episode really brought out the feelings well. And now Canute's character development begins. |
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Cyber_Icarus said: death604 said: episode was meh tbh. i do like the priest's speech about discrimination, but the character development made for Canute was utter trash tbh. you simply don't make a 180 degree shift in character at a drop of a hat, character development is built up overtime. also what the fuck was with that berserk thing? its kinda stupid tbh, he's too far gone to the point that he was about to attack the thing he needs to protect and then he gets snapped back to reality by someone he isn't really close with? by him frowning his face, and lecturing your about shit? what the actual fuck? last thing is the fact that Thorkell was having a hard time against Thorfinn was a complete facepalm. i'd give it a 2/5 yes you do. that's how trauma works, plus he's been struggling with his beliefs for quite a while now so it didn't come outta nowhere. how is this a bad thing exactly? i love the nitpicking in the thread lol rofl, you don't suddenly make a complete change of your character as if your previous character doesn't impact you. that shit doesn't make sense even if you have a trauma or PTSD you don't suddenly change charactrer at a drop of a hat as if your previous character that had that trauma didn't affect you anymore. that shit is blatant poor writing. also btw what trauma exactly are you talking about? |
death604Nov 18, 2019 9:53 AM
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Franck_Nicolas said: i m surprised everyone of you love this episode because to me it s the worst one of the series so far. you talk about character development, i just see characters suddenly and drastically changing their behaviour without reason the fight was okay but too shonen-ish also the prince's speach was over dramatic... ^ this. Exactly my point. |
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Alpha_Druid said: Franck_Nicolas said: i m surprised everyone of you love this episode because to me it s the worst one of the series so far. you talk about character development, i just see characters suddenly and drastically changing their behaviour without reason the fight was okay but too shonen-ish also the prince's speach was over dramatic... ^ this. Exactly my point. 100% true. anyone with an objective view of the series wouldn't rank this episode high. |
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death604 said: Cyber_Icarus said: yes you do. that's how trauma works, plus he's been struggling with his beliefs for quite a while now so it didn't come outta nowhere. how is this a bad thing exactly? i love the nitpicking in the thread lol rofl, you don't suddenly make a complete change of your character as if your previous character doesn't impact you. that shit doesn't make sense even if you have a trauma or PTSD you don't suddenly change charactrer at a drop of a hat as if your previous character that had that trauma didn't affect you anymore. that shit is blatant poor writing. also btw what trauma exactly are you talking about? it's not sudden. he's been struggling with all his beliefs after seeing the horrors of war and losing ragnar. he didn't change his character all of sudden. it's been a subtle gradual change, what happened in the previous episode pretty much accelerated the process. "objectively" there is nothing wrong with this. just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's actually bad. what trauma? the trauma of losing his father figure and almost losing faith in his god. these took a heavy toll on him. |
lihle808 said: Oh, come on! Why disturb what was going to be the fight of the century, why? Why Canute, please tell me why? I came on this episode with fiery eyes, but I came back looking like tuna. Not that it was an awful episode, but I wanted the episode to feast its eyes on the duel only. Not this Canute crap. But hopefully next week it will be different. I think you are watching the wrong anime if that's what you were looking for. The character development of Canute is absolutely necessary and beautifully done to show the transition of this girlish young man to what will become Canute the Great in a few years time. The fight between Thorkell and Thorfinn is but a side act to this. |
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| 5/5, i love this, i really hope this show is successful enough to have more seasons. |
Vindicater said: MegamiRem said: Lol Thorfinn actually flew, what brute strength Thorkell has. I found the choerography of the fight good but the fact thorfin was not destroyed in the first 10 seconds has created such a weird strength paradox. Thorkell can beat 20 men by himself but can barely beat a teenage boy? So Thorfin should be able to kill 20 men easily? One of these characters has had their development warped due to this fight. Thorfinn's been tearing through groups of soldiers for years, but his choice of weapon and focus on agility over raw superhuman strength means unlike Thorkell he can't swing through 5 men at a time. |
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| What an incredible episode! I thought it was going to be focusing a lot on Thorfinn vs Thorkell but it was actually a lot more emotional and poignant with it's focus on Canute's awakening as a key player for the throne. I thought the scene where Canute hugged Bjorn instead of creating more violence was really powerful too; kindness isn't a weakness and even in a time of brutality and war it can be a tide-turning trait for a King. This was one of the best episodes of the whole series in my opinion. |
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| The mouse finally learns how to roar good for him,, He needs to pick it up .I disagree with the priest! And think they are many types of love!! Discrimination is one type of love ..Its a philosophical question with many different theories and answers!! Its not a easy question!! I like how they did the miracle that was a awesome scene,, Hope the boy is ok so the duel can continue Great episode |
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Tokyoboy07011 said: Talk about character development! Canute finally looking like he serves a purpose and his facial expressions this episode were amazing! This isn't a shounen so it makes sense the Highlight is Canute's development but im pretty sure we will see Thorfinn Vs Thorkell more next episode ?(Btw i found out the word used in manga was "Prejudice" instead of discrimination, honestly idk the difference but prejudice seems fitting) The word used is "Sabetsu", English "Discrimination", meaning to prefer one over the other. We prefer our family over others because we don't know others. So it can also be called prejudice because we are not trying to know others. Makes a lot of sense. |
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| Good episode. I would have liked to see a little more Thorfinn vs Thorkel but at least Canute finally stopped being a pussy. |
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| So many people need to watch this series more closely, Jesus Christ... |
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| A new Canute is great, that was an unexpected development, thanks to the priest for changing him. Love the fight between Thorkell and Thorfinn, still excited to see how it will end and what will Canute do. |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: @death604 I think the quote below explains it best: najumobi said: I don't think the prince's shift is sudden. While Ragnar died recently, the prince's inability reconcile his world view with the reality of what's going on around him has been shown since episode 10, with him kneeling in the tent while Thorkell is rampaging outside. To me, he's never come across as scared of situations around him. He's just afraid of speaking to people other than Ragnar. In episode 12, I started believing he was just oblivious. His first line was "Ragnar catch it." But with episode 14's massacre, the priest, in EP15 began to see things as they were. However the prince was still pushing back on it, which I saw as delusional, given the scene with sweyn on his bed earlier in the episode. Ragnar death made the cruelty of the world impossible to ignore, and the priest's words helped him to make sense of it all. Some have problem with the dream sequence which isn't surprising b/c that's a typical pet peeve. It's impossible to know how much of the character we see now was present before Ragnar's death because Ragnar shielded him from a lot of things, but we know he isn't an idiot, given what he said to Thorfinn in EP13. But the transition makes sense. I think that's why it passes the smell test with audience at-large. That...makes a lot of sense, now that you explain it. But I think the story could've done a better job at showing specifically that Canute wasn't afraid of the violence around him. I do think it's definitely confusing why people think Canute's philosophical transformation was spontaneous, because as you said, the anime had quite been building up to it. But then again, most of us are watching this anime weekly, so we could be forgetting a lot of details. the issue isn't canute being coward or not. the issue is the sudden switch in personality. he clearly stated that he was overly cautious didn't want to talk other than through ragnar because of his standing as prince and yet now that personality suddenly vanishes out of thin air and replaced by this unfazed upstanding, and confident leader? simply because he had a revelation that basically says fuck christianity w/c doesn't even really relate to his current character now. |
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Gabisu said: death604 said: I will argue for him, being specific, from a point ago Canute was a spoiled and cowardly person, right? From Ragnar's explanations, Canute grew up in a scenario full of self thinking people (as in episode 13 a flashback showing Canute, a child in the face of castle deaths), in the midst of this power struggle, people don't think of each other, this point drives his train of thought in this episode.basically you can't form your own arguments(or is it a cry for help lol)? his argument doesn't even connect to the discussion we are having i.e. Canute's incomprehensible sudden change in character While raised by Ragnar, he learned good manners, was still close as shown his characterization episodes ago, but even learning good manners, he was stopped in time, enough to hear the priest himself questioning God, Canute is angry with supposed "hypocrisy" of the priest, for he was in fact questioning after innocent people died cruelly. Episodes after Ragnar's death surfaced shaking Canute completely, he was alone there in that world, lost not only his father figure but the person with whom he showed his true feelings, after all he never had a love of a Father, his Father himself despises him. Then comes the mutiny, in which everything turns to Canute, it's the cause of everything, and once again people are killing each other for no reason, as Thorgrinn himself did this mutiny thinking about himself, he didn't think of any more. people, only followed Askeladd, which strengthens the dialogue of everyone thinking about himself (but clearly differently). Canute's whole dream was a message of independence for his own, since that's why he decided to look into the present (obviously a punch from Askeladd didn't help him), and upon waking up he comes across the war scenario again, while the priest decides to argue with him, Canute's mind exploded with all this, it was as if he were a medal, he was alone, while listening to the thoughts of the priest, he decides to question God himself, after all alone he would have to depend God's? Would he need to wait for his salvation? Seeing that Father was the first to question God and all the dialogue about being tested in this world influenced Canute thinking, he was fed up with seeing the same landscape, people killing themselves for futile reasons, and how God would do nothing to change this landscape, he decides to want to change, to at least want at least a paradise on earth, and of course he is the prince, he may have a chance to become a king, so he relies on what was given to him from the beginning. , he will need to fight fairly to get what he wants, after all he tired of waiting for God, of course I can not say that this was realistic, but the epiphany was consistent with what was shown and interconnected at these points. bonus: This scenario represents why Thors quit his life as a warrior, I think one of the things that most drives this thinking is when a soldier Thors has just killed says a woman's name (In the first episode, a man says the word '' Maria ''), could it be his wife? The daughter? Who knows, but there could be a dear person in his life, he had someone to go back to, which is why this line of thinking makes Thors think of his family and abandon everything, just as Canute thinks of people in general. and want to end it all, '' as a king's duty '', on the one hand someone tries to escape the battles, on the other, someone tries to end them, but the general context of these scenes is always the same, about the The subject of war brings no fruit to humans, only trauma or horror, this killing is meaningless, it is just a small thing I have interconnected, so you can ignore my point. Of course I would say that this is an awakening, not a development, for me development is when he takes action and shows a new perspective on the universe, more he walks. This promised deliverance that he himself must find, since he has always grown up in the midst of death, always refusing to wait for a miracle, he decides to change things. It is not a dialogue about how a King should act politically, but as someone who should guide people to salvation, after all if you want this to end, you must have the will and action to change the whole landscape. dude, the issue isn't the cause, but his sudden change in character. what happened was that his change in personality from this guy who can't even talk to anyone other than ragnar, and is overly cautious of what he says due to his standing into this insanely confident, and unfazed leader that is from the looks of it gonna talk to thorknell for diplomatic reason. you gotta be kidding me if you believe that shit isn't an abrupt 180 degree change in character. which again points toward the reasoning why i find this episode bad i.e. bad character development. instead of a gradual change of character you're slapped with this surprise mdafakas he's an ideal leader now. |
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| The change in personality was a bit too sudden for Canute. Would have been better if he started with being more extrovert and trying to act like a leader but asking Askeladd or others for advice. But I guess since Askeladd was "busy" watching the fight between Thorkell and Thorfinn ... Canute just got the leadership superpowers and probably now is a better leader than Askeladd from 0 to 100. |
RealTheAbsurdist said: death604 said: the issue isn't canute being coward or not. the issue is the sudden switch in personality. he clearly stated that he was overly cautious didn't want to talk other than through ragnar because of his standing as prince and yet now that personality suddenly vanishes out of thin air and replaced by this unfazed upstanding, and confident leader? simply because he had a revelation that basically says fuck christianity w/c doesn't even really relate to his current character now. I agree that Canute's sudden confidence is jarring. But I remember it has been shown in quite a number of scenes that Canute was questioning God. again god has nothing to do with this. its his sudden change from being this guy who is overly cautious of his standing into this confident upstanding, and ideal prince that from the was for the love of god is giving orders like a boss. that shit came out of complete nowhere, and is insanely sudden change of character. |
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Luthandorius said: The change in personality was a bit too sudden for Canute. Would have been better if he started with being more extrovert and trying to act like a leader but asking Askeladd or others for advice. But I guess since Askeladd was "busy" watching the fight between Thorkell and Thorfinn ... Canute just got the leadership superpowers and probably now is a better leader than Askeladd from 0 to 100. 100% this is what i'm having issue with. |
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| The development is real. The new Canute is giving me chills and the directing was really on point. I thought this episode would be dedicated to Thorfinn vs Thorkell, but I don't mind this at all. Very welcomed surprise. Not saying that the fight wasn't quite cool, tho. |
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| What a great episode. Canute is on the right path to become the GOAT king. His third eye is open |
Gabisu said: death604 said: dude, the issue isn't the cause, but his sudden change in character. what happened was that his change in personality from this guy who can't even talk to anyone other than ragnar, and is overly cautious of what he says due to his standing into this insanely confident, and unfazed leader that is from the looks of it gonna talk to thorknell for diplomatic reason. you gotta be kidding me if you believe that shit isn't an abrupt 180 degree change in character. which again points toward the reasoning why i find this episode bad i.e. bad character development. instead of a gradual change of character you're slapped with this surprise mdafakas he's an ideal leader now. the whole cause drives change, I said right there is as if the canute's own mind exploded, just as Thorfinn went from a sensible, silly child to a boy who only sees a thought around him, the anger that culminates in his own his character. Here is the scorn that culminates in Canute, he just changed his perspective, and his poclamation (the scene with Bjorn) is like a release, he's being naive, but it's still understandable, he wants to stop it all by himself, after of absorbing ideas, is it so hard to understand that someone who has never had another person to show you the world, changed your perspective in front of someone "wise"? Just as there are people who change their mind and perspective repeatedly (here in this thread) because of words. 1-Fatherly love 2-Reaction to cruelty 3-obfuscation of this reality with the love that is given 4-Being put into battle to die 5-Being spoiled and loved as always 6-Keeping closed in various situations 7-For the first time he opens to the point of discuss with Thorfinn 8-Seeing a massacre and pray for the victims 9-Refuses to accept that someone is questioning God 10-The Death of the Love He Had Before 11-Shaken at death 12-In your dreams still proving fragile 13-Still in his dreams he breaks free and looks at reality 14-Discuss the first idea of love with the priest 15-Understand this idea and show indignation 16-Wish for the scenery to change 17-He is disappointed because he will not change 18-He decides to change it himself Just thinking about God's promised paradise 20-Try to act on Bjorn's figure as a test of God (Remembering the fact that they are all barbarians who kill themselves because they want to) 21-Decides to follow this thought and go to Thorkell, even if it is wrong 22-He needs to get strong if he wants to talk to these guys without losing his composure I made all the tickets easier for you again its like you guys aren't even reading the posts. the issue is about the abruptness of the change of personality he's become a polar opposite of his previous character in a snap of a finger simply because he had a revelation moment? that shit doesn't make sense nor is even believable. there was no development to his character that shows he's gonna point towards this type of personality which makes it a bad character development Jaegerbomb_106 said: RealTheAbsurdist said: Yeah, I 100% agree, even though I love this anime to death. I see your point, but how I see it, I think that the reason he lost all his cautiousness is because he has nothing left to lose. After he lost Ragnar, and heard what the priest said, he no longer cared about his current place in the world as prince, and instead is trying to make a new place for himself and others. He had actually realized that he had already lost his place, because there was no one left who he was important to in his eyes. There are a few more things that bring sense to his sudden change, but it would be going into spoiler territory. first of all that was never said nor was even implied w/ what we've seen so far. secondly thats not the issue. the problem is the change is abrupt without any form of development that shows he's point towards his current characterization. you don't suddenly change your character at a snap of a finger. its like telling an extrovert to suddenly become an introvert simply because you had a revelation how awesome it is to be an introvert. najumobi said: death604 said: your post didn't address how the sudden transition of Canute's personality makes sense from this guy who can't even speak to anyone other than Ragnar because according to him he was cautious of his standing as a prince to this guy that suddenly is a confident, ideal, and unfazed leader that from the looks of it is now gonna talk to thorknell about diplomatic stuffs Ah. I see what you're getting at. Why he's confident now, while earlier he was cautious? He said he was cautious but that was a while ago when they were in Wales (EP13), at least several weeks ago, before winter began and hundreds of miles from where they are now. Since then, he stood by while a village of people, and then his father-figure died for him. He was already "book smart", knowing the role and significance of being in the royal family. And he's showed he at least had the fortitude to defy his father by signing a treaty (diplomatic stuff). But Ragnar unintentionally enabled his bystander mentality. Thorkell asks the prince a question, but Ragnar answers. Gratianus asks the prince a question, but Ragnar answers. This is why Asklaad killed him. It's more complicated than this, but even on the surface level you get the picture of someone who is fed up with being bystander, while people, in this case Asklaad's men, are dying for him. The priest actually says this to him. the issue isn't the why, but the lack of development towards his characterization now. it was never built up, and is sudden hence its a bad character development. he has never exhibitted a leader persona prior to this hence the character development going to his current personality is bad. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
FancyjasperNov 25, 2019 2:30 PM
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| The episode was great like always The fight was well done but I wanted more. Not enough at all, especially after the hype that was set for 2 weeks. Caunte's development was essential for sure, I liked the Priest's speech, Caunte's speech, on the other hand was meh. BUT .. I wished that they put his development in another episode. They'd rather focus on the fight in this episode and after it ends, we get to see the new version of Caunte. Overall 5/5 episode but could be better ofc. |
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