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| I really liked this episode but Canute just changed from a whinny to a badass in a couple of minutes. Why are there so little people bothered by this? |
Supercueca_ said: I really liked this episode but Canute just changed from a whinny to a badass in a couple of minutes. Why are there so little people bothered by this? Because how it actually happened was impactful and meaningful not because of the philosophy itself, but how it correlates to his actual character. |
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Supercueca_ said: I really liked this episode but Canute just changed from a whinny to a badass in a couple of minutes. Why are there so little people bothered by this? In the span of a couple of days his entire world view has been shattered, he stood by while innocents and fellow Christians were slaughtered for his sake, his father wants him dead, the person who was essentially his real father is gone, he's now thrust into this conflict that is solely revolving around him and to top it all of the priest's speech about what he thinks love is shook his faith and made him take a different approach towards God. I'm not saying realistic as there are more than a few things in this anime aren't, but it's certainly not out of nowhere and nobody has a problem with it because it was handled very nicely this episode. Also he was never whiny, just coddled and indecisive because of Ragnar being overprotective. |
| Now that's what you call character development. I had goosebumps during Canute's scenes, it was amazing to see him grow up and take a more responsible role |
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shane_nichols said: welcum2savage said: Lol. The animation was fine, but this ain't a battle shonen. Canutes development was the true highlight and Thorffin getting launched in the air. That had me dying. However, Thorkell threw snow in his face. Was he intimidated by Thorffin?Aight I'm done with this adaptation. What was that animation? Its thorfinn vs thorkell. If youre gonna have this many episodes look shit youd better make the biggest scenes have good animation at least. Is this really wit studio? fr tho, all this boys missin the point of the whole episode, and the whole anime...its not about the fights |
| Epic fight between Thorfinn and Thorkell. Poor Thorfinn got sent flying above the trees! Canute’s transformation was the definite highlight of the episode for me. Top tier character development! |
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| Finally. It is worth the wait considering the animation of it. > The rematch between Thorkell and Thorfinn was awesome. > Canute got a massive reawakening. He changed from a cowardly prince to a possibly great leader. He speaks so differently now. Worthy of a king. > Great character development overall. > Dat attack from Thorkell sent Thorfinn flying. Bruh. Great job, Wit Studio and members of the Vinland Saga production. |
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| Liked the evolution of the Prince, really didnt see his transformation coming, but it makes sense. He's gotta grow up as some point, or at least adapt to world he was born to be lord of. Real new griffith vibes, but I like it in him. Maybe he''ll do something useful now. Also, Thorkell v Thorfinn was dope, I wanted more action or dialogue about thors. The question he asked seemed genuine, but I think Thorfinn thought he was mocking him. Definitely looking forward to see how this fight resolves, because that move Thorkell pulled was bananas. Thought it was over right there! -Jo |
| I thought Canute’s character development could have been a little bit more spread out. A dream and a few words from a priest does not dramatically change someone’s personality in seconds. I liked the episode but Canute was rushed. Also, I get that God can love indiscriminately because he is all seeing and all knowing, but love without discrimination is meaningless to a human. You discriminate because you see yourself in others and love them. To love everyone equally is to have no personality or identity whatsoever. However, I love the idea of a character’s goal being to create a paradise on earth. Good episode that made you think, but poor pacing and although the message is interesting, I think it is misguided. I also love the ongoing theme of the main character resisting his father’s beliefs of a warrior. His revenge and hatred over power it every time. |
| Canute's wake up party has come and it was great!! Thorkell echoing Thorfinn's pop was something else as well. brilliant episode imo |
| Aight everyone get in here. This one is a classic. Those wanting more action can just jerk right off to their weekly BnHA. This the big boy stuff. |
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| Goose bumps. Just goose bumps. Guess I have three new blonde waifus now. First Thorkell, then Askeladd, then Canute. The priest is interesting as well. |
| so what he means is that true love is selfless, forgiving, like mother nature. emraanash said: lihle808 said: I have to fully agree with your post. Your point has opened my mind. The story isn't that expansive, while the action is often cut to size every time it gets good. it should have at least some decent fight scene.... I mean, thorfinn vs thorkell its safe to say everyone was wating for that, but they gave us 30sec-30sec fight scene.... I am shocked someone agreed with me...... no one ever done that, thanks LIHLY.. i dont agree with you. i can assure you that there are many out there who doesn't base their decision on whether to watch an anime or not on its production studio but rather on the synopsis and numerous other factors. |
ttcchen said: so what he means is that true love is selfless, forgiving, like mother nature. emraanash said: it should have at least some decent fight scene.... I mean, thorfinn vs thorkell its safe to say everyone was wating for that, but they gave us 30sec-30sec fight scene.... I am shocked someone agreed with me...... no one ever done that, thanks LIHLY.. i dont agree with you. i can assure you that there are many out there who doesn't base their decision on whether to watch an anime or not on its production studio but rather on the synopsis and numerous other factors. studio is one of the big factor. I never said its the only one. but in case of vinland saga we are watching it bcz attack on titan was related to the same studios. KoyomiShinobu said: emraanash said: I hope you're just trollingthis story had potential, awesome characters, great animation.... but lack of story length and short action scene this is just a simple anime. Its a shame! If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it. If you want to think that, do as you wish. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
FancyjasperNov 25, 2019 3:13 PM
“You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin” . |
emraanash said: we? More like just you.ttcchen said: so what he means is that true love is selfless, forgiving, like mother nature. i dont agree with you. i can assure you that there are many out there who doesn't base their decision on whether to watch an anime or not on its production studio but rather on the synopsis and numerous other factors. studio is one of the big factor. I never said its the only one. but in case of vinland saga we are watching it bcz attack on titan was related to the same studios. You said "If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it." In other words, it's the only element that factors into people's decisions |
RealTheAbsurdist said: emraanash said: this story had potential, awesome characters, great animation.... but lack of story length and short action scene this is just a simple anime. Its a shame! Lack of story length? I don't understand. This anime is 24 episodes, the manga is even longer. I mean yeah, the action scenes are short, and I can understand how that's a flaw, but I've always seen Vinland Saga as more of a character drama first and foremost, so I don't think the action scenes being short is that much of a detrimental. emraanash said: If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it. The Vinland Saga manga is extremely loved, so a lot of fans were waiting for it to have an adaptation for a long time. Hatsuyuki said: You made no point, you offered no arguments. Your criticism towards the show is subjective and you're clearly judging it for not pandering to your taste, which is nobody's problem but yours alone. The reply was so ridiculous that there was actually nothing left for me to say, it had no value, that's why I called you a troll. Nobody needs to offer a complex argument on why they feel the way they feel about something, especially when this isn't a college-class debate place. why is everyone comparing show with manga? I always said it has great potential but I don't like the anime adaption actually I hate it. from a studio like wit i had high expectations. |
| “You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin”. |
Cyber_Icarus said: lihle808 said: I have to fully agree with your post. Your point has opened my mind. The story isn't that expansive, while the action is often cut to size every time it gets good. The series needs a firmly flexible direction in the plot and characters to flourish more. The story isn't expansive in scope with crazy plot twists like GoT for example because it's mostly character driven. You don't need an "expansive" story if the writing and character drama are good enough. I don't get your second point. The directing and the atmosphere are on point in this series. emraanash said: you are right maybe I am missing the spark.... actually nothing surprising happened yet or in this show show nothing surprised me... do for me its simple, it could have great but its simple... So it's not good because it doesn't have plot twists and that kind of stuff? lmao great logic mate. The story is only simple on surface level. there's enough nuanced writing in the series for people who want "deep" shit in their anime. for me anime is all about connecting with characters. when they cry I cry, when they laugh I laugh.. but in case of vinland saga I didn't find it. I know its a seinen anime , and there is a lot of seinen anime with simple plot ....... check out parasyte the maxim from madhouse so simple yet so powerful. and parasyte had 24 episodes. |
| “You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin”. |
Gabisu said: emraanash said: okeh, what if it was made my some unrecognized studio or think about what if studio deen or jc stuff made it? many people would have dropped it after 4/5 episodes, a good studio already has a great marketing....... think about the non manga people watching the show.... I understand what you mean, although that would take about 2/5 from the public, on my continent, everyone still watches nanatsu on taizai S3, even with horrible production, people would still see kimetsu on yaiba if it was for JC staff, this I would have no doubt fact have everything that an average otaku wants. I agree with your point but how long? how long will people watch it? 2 season ? 3season? seven deadly sins already losing there fans and jc stuff fucked up one punch man , you think they will risk it again with demon slayer?! sure I would watch them even though they are made by diffrenet but I will not keep watching... RealTheAbsurdist said: emraanash said: why is everyone comparing show with manga? I always said it has great potential but I don't like the anime adaption actually I hate it. from a studio like wit i had high expectations. When I was comparing the anime to the manga, I meant to say that if Vinland Saga gets more seasons, the story's going to be a lot longer. But even if that wasn't the case, I don't understand your criticism that the story isn't lengthy enough: 24 episodes is way longer than the standard 12 episodes. for a seinen anime 24 episode is long enough i know that. the problem of the show is they are stretching a simple matter like a rubber. there is no story so far, there is no proper action but at least with some good characters. ttcchen said: emraanash said: we? More like just you.studio is one of the big factor. I never said its the only one. but in case of vinland saga we are watching it bcz attack on titan was related to the same studios. You said "If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it." In other words, it's the only element that factors into people's decisions so you would have watched it if it had animation like studio deen's seven deadly sins? if your answer is yes don't bother reply. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
FancyjasperNov 25, 2019 3:12 PM
| “You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin”. |
emraanash said: ttcchen said: we? More like just you. You said "If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it." In other words, it's the only element that factors into people's decisions so you would have watched it if it had animation like studio deen's seven deadly sins? if your answer is yes don't bother reply. 1. never saw seven deadly sins 2. i dont pay attention to studios 3. plot matters more |
RealTheAbsurdist said: emraanash said: for a seinen anime 24 episode is long enough i know that. the problem of the show is they are stretching a simple matter like a rubber. there is no story so far, there is no proper action but at least with some good characters. I don't understand how the story's being stretched out. Maybe it's because of the dramatic character moments? Which I don't think is a problem, as I think Vinland Saga shines the most in these dramatic moments. Maybe the way we perceive slow/fast pacing is different? But I mean, this arc in Vinland Saga is about a war, and wars tend to be pretty long, to my knowledge. this is about a war okay, where was the war? where is the detailing? they have to show us the cause and effect for connection and impactful drama, but so far there was none. and its been 18 episode for fu*ks sake! |
| “You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin”. |
ttcchen said: emraanash said: so you would have watched it if it had animation like studio deen's seven deadly sins? if your answer is yes don't bother reply. 1. never saw seven deadly sins 2. i dont pay attention to studios 3. plot matters more point number 3 that's what I was saying the whole fricking time! so far there is none. RealTheAbsurdist said: emraanash said: this is about a war okay, where was the war? where is the detailing? they have to show us the cause and effect for connection and impactful drama, but so far there was none. and its been 18 episode for fu*ks sake! I'm confused. The characters are participating in the war; the story is shown from their perspective. It's already been explained by the narrator why the war started to begin with. they narrated it, didn't show it...... 30sec to 2min max ... only focus was askeladd.... Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
FancyjasperNov 25, 2019 3:11 PM
| “You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin”. |
emraanash said: there is. A story cannot exist without a plot. You are not understanding the fundamentals of writing.ttcchen said: 1. never saw seven deadly sins 2. i dont pay attention to studios 3. plot matters more point number 3 that's what I was saying the whole fricking time! so far there is none. |
| Lol Thorfinn actually flew, what brute strength Thorkell has. |
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emraanash said: RealTheAbsurdist said: I don't understand how the story's being stretched out. Maybe it's because of the dramatic character moments? Which I don't think is a problem, as I think Vinland Saga shines the most in these dramatic moments. Maybe the way we perceive slow/fast pacing is different? But I mean, this arc in Vinland Saga is about a war, and wars tend to be pretty long, to my knowledge. this is about a war okay, where was the war? where is the detailing? they have to show us the cause and effect for connection and impactful drama, but so far there was none. and its been 18 episode for fu*ks sake! It's not. The main focus is the characters and their struggles. The war is just a part of the show's setting. It's not the main focus. |
MegamiRem said: Lol Thorfinn actually flew, what brute strength Thorkell has. I found the choerography of the fight good but the fact thorfin was not destroyed in the first 10 seconds has created such a weird strength paradox. Thorkell can beat 20 men by himself but can barely beat a teenage boy? So Thorfin should be able to kill 20 men easily? One of these characters has had their development warped due to this fight. |
| This episode convinced to change my rating of the show from 8 to 9. I always felt that the manga was way better and the anime didn't add much to it, wasn't really needed. But the animations, fight, pace, direction, seiyuu, ost,... this episode made me cry from beauty and tremble from its intensity. Now I can finally recommend it. I'll give this ep a rating of Kensho Ono/10 |
| Seriously that ED is so damn good. Song and visuals; easily one of my favourite if not favourite of this year. |
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| Why does this have a lower 5/5 percentage than episode 17? |
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| I did honestly think before I started watching this episode that the main highlight would be the rematch between Thorfinn and Thorkell, but after finishing the episode, Canute's character growth is my stand-out moment for me. =) The fight itself was great and it was pretty exciting to see Thorfinn and Thorkell going at it while battling with their weapons, only stopping when Thorkell talked more about Thors' past, before finally getting the better of Thorfinn by using the snow as a cloak so that he could unleash a powerful kick to Thorfinn, sending him far into the trees in the distance. I hope Thorfinn's okay... With Canute, we get to see his dream where he meets Ragnar for the last time and they both have one emotional hug before Ragnar finally departs. This heralds the start of Canute's vision of the world around him changing and his long talk with the priest about the fundamentals of love only went to strengthen that feeling even more. His growth was immediately evident when he walked up to the berserk Bjorn and calmed him down with a hug. Although Bjorn then got hit a sneak attack, it didn't really falter Canute much as he starts to issue orders around like a leader would do. It looks like Askeladd is right about how he sees Canute as the next king judging by Canute's development in this episode alone. The extra week waiting for this episode was frustrating, but in the end, it was worth it, as this is my favourite episode alongside episode 4 and 17. Great stuff! ^_^ |
| This episode left me speechless. Simply amazing. |
Elucid said: "The world, god's divine creation is brimming with love. Yet there is no love in the hearts of men..." I just wanna say this is complete and utter bullshit. if you know anything about the bible then you'd know that god and the world are polar opposites. if you love god then you hate the world and vice versa. the world operates on satan's whim. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Our little boy Canute is finally growing up into a man xD |
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ChainxBastard said: More trolls in this thread, and no mods will do anything about it in the name of "free speech" and "discussion" which enables people to jump into threads and spew nonsense to bait people. This site bores me, but I don't like the idea of "losing" to these neanderthals, which is why I stick around instead of going to someplace like reddit. Anyways, the commentary on love was extremely interesting to me. as well as Canute's revelation. Why would God create such a beautiful world, and fill it with such indiscriminate "love", but fail to put that love in the hearts of man? Why would God WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY pit people against one another in an never ending cycle of bloodshed and hatred? Why would God make people seek the unobtainable? It's absurd. So if they can't return to paradise to heaven UNTIL death...... Then Canute will create a paradise of his own on Earth for the living. Because it is the King's Duty to tell his subjects how to live and how to die. It is the King that gives his subjects meaning. But this went over the troll's head. They can't think too deep beyond shallow surfaces. No other anime within the past 10 years has been as layered philosophically as Vinland Saga, but trolls will complain and ignore this. What a shame. the better question to ask is why did God created Eve. Adam's fall wasn't technically due to eating the forbidden fruit. it was due to simping to Eve. here's my version of Genesis: God warned Adam about the fruit and Adam was just chill about it. meanwhile he observed the animal kingdom and observed dominance and hypergamy. and was saddened about this revelation. God (mis)took this sadness as Adam needing a helper and thus he put Adam to a deep sleep, took one of his ribs, and created Eve from it. Eventually the serpent (of course it's not God's fault. there's always a scapegoat right? just like every goddamn adult?) tempted Eve of the (fake) glory and power and fell to the lie. Eve nagged Adam to death (pun intended) to eat the fruit with her and thus the fall of man is complete. and of course in the end the prince rejected salvation which is most definitely a jab on Romans 3:23 and Romans 6:23. I knew it! the prince is just bullshitting when he mentions this in his head: "The world, god's divine creation is brimming with love. Yet there is no love in the hearts of men..." let me repeat myself again: god and the world are polar opposites. they are black and white. light and dark. you either love god and hate the world or vice versa. and most importantly, the prince's pride. instead of being humble as he learned the non-discrimination of love, he raised his pride and building a paradise in vain. oh it will be in vain I tell you. life is vanity and vexation of the spirit. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
FancyjasperNov 25, 2019 3:05 PM
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| "Are you saying that death is the true essence of love? I don't really get what he meant by that.... ''Then what is that a parent feels towards their child or a wife towards her husband?" "Discrimination." Because of outlook and treatment for somebody else better than themselves, damn I've never really seen it that way. Aaaand Canute snapped and becoming the bad bitch <3 |
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| I just watched the last 2 episodes back to back and they were amazing. I haven't watched a show this good for a while. I knew it would get there, had to sit through Thorfinn being a moody kid, understandably when you're living with the guy who killed your dad. Can't wait to see the rest of the series. |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: so love is basically don't discriminate ??, its still confusing because isn't love of showing a somewhat of affection instead of just.... doing nothing ???emraanash said: they narrated it, didn't show it...... 30sec to 2min max ... only focus was askeladd.... I don't understand. Now, I don't know much about the historical war between Denmark and England, but...the characters in the show are fighting the enemy. We're seeing them fight individual battles, win, and so forth. Isn't that showing the war? Alexblackbread said: "Are you saying that death is the true essence of love? I don't really get what he meant by that.... At first I was a little confused too, but after they brought up discrimination, I think it became clear that: Death = your body not being able to discriminate |
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