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thekillfra said: maybe you forgot about the archers? and the fact that it has been said many times that Thor would have been saved only if he had been alone. You didn't understand Askeladd, but Thor understood him very well , because they communicated with their eyes. you didn't get my point he accepted the duel they did a duel and he didn't retreat = no honor (although he does have some at least because he didn't kill all of them) the issue here is that he accepted the duel and didn't adhere to it even though he lost i wouldn't have minded if he hadn't accepted it in the first place Niello said: Nim0174 said: yea i know, thats the problem, thor was being soft not killing when he knew they weren't the type to hold onto promises, he couldn't have been sure that they wouldn't kill his son so he should have killed all of them from the start That's not the case though. Thors can tell something about Askeladd by the way he behaves as well as when they fought. You have to remember that it is possible to read people. That's a much smarter way to go around deciding the course of action than to think "he does this for a living so he must be like this". It's the same reason Askeladd is giving Thors special treatment. Basically they could recognise each other as someone out of the norm with great skill. They sort of said that in the beginning. In the manga Askeladd's been repeating about it before we even got to this whole flashback. thats obvious doesn't change the fact he could have killed askeladd and over 20 of his men if he hadn't held back. |
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Nim0174 said: stupid way to die because of being soft lmao could have just decimated all of them there was no guaruantee they let his son live anyway so there was no reason to surrender especially since this askeladd guy doesn't have a sense of honor i didn't like this episodes writing but overall great episode though sorry but i just don't care about this guy dying in this episode and it felt forced, its way too soon and i've had no time to get attached to him the animation was fucking amazing I will say why Thors wanted to keep to his belief of avoiding taking life he knew the Archers were there main reason he hoped he could appeal to a sense of honor in single combat because if he tried to kill them all the archers would kill Thorfinn and everyone else. It was a last ditch resort they were insanely in trouble as soon as they sailed into that bay. |
TolkienFan365 said: Nim0174 said: stupid way to die because of being soft lmao could have just decimated all of them there was no guaruantee they let his son live anyway so there was no reason to surrender especially since this askeladd guy doesn't have a sense of honor i didn't like this episodes writing but overall great episode though sorry but i just don't care about this guy dying in this episode and it felt forced, its way too soon and i've had no time to get attached to him the animation was fucking amazing I will say why Thors wanted to keep to his belief of avoiding taking life he knew the Archers were there main reason he hoped he could appeal to a sense of honor because if he tried to kill them all the archers would kill Thorfinn and everyone else. It was a last ditch resort they were insanely in trouble as soon as they sailed into that bay. yea that makes sense he still could have killed those 20 men beforehand, no one checked their life status until afterwards, he just held back, what you are saying is correct, but its only the case for when he held back against askeladd |
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| Great episode - as always. Liked the music and the chars and the scenes between Askeladd and Thors were great. Only Thorfinn crying was a bit borign. So I guess we'll get more Askeladd for now and Thorfin travelling with them - nice as long as Askeladd gets screentime and Thorfinn starts to mature. At one point Thorfinn looked a bit like Levi with the eyes ha ha. (At the end at the ship one of his angry face views before screaming.) |
Nim0174 said: TolkienFan365 said: I will say why Thors wanted to keep to his belief of avoiding taking life he knew the Archers were there main reason he hoped he could appeal to a sense of honor because if he tried to kill them all the archers would kill Thorfinn and everyone else. It was a last ditch resort they were insanely in trouble as soon as they sailed into that bay. yea that makes sense he still could have killed those 20 men beforehand, no one checked their life status until afterwards, he just held back, what you are saying is correct, but its only the case for when he held back against askeladd Well once they realized they were dead again the deal could be off. if he kills Asekladd Bjorn would be next in charge who is far less diplomatic. Again yeah he is keeping to his morality but even if he was okay with killing ultimately that would have been a bad decision. I will say this arc doesn't delve into it much however if this does get a S2 it will look more at the idea of Pacifism and one reason I do like Vinland is that it doesn't paint it as the ideal and shows how hard it is to live like that in a society like this. |
TolkienFan365 said: Nim0174 said: yea that makes sense he still could have killed those 20 men beforehand, no one checked their life status until afterwards, he just held back, what you are saying is correct, but its only the case for when he held back against askeladd Well once they realized they were dead again the deal could be off. if he kills Asekladd Bjorn would be next in charge who is far less diplomatic. Again yeah he is keeping to his morality but even if he was okay with killing ultimately that would have been a bad decision. I will say this arc doesn't delve into it much however if this does get a S2 it will look more at the idea of Pacifism and one reason I do like Vinland is that it doesn't paint it as the ideal and shows how hard it is to live like that in a society like this. i guess i can live with that just hate to see good characters die because of some bitch ass situations like this always triggers me so much wasted potential i would have liked to see more of thors ( i just read the plot summary lmao didn't even see that it spoiled his death ) should have just shown a flashback of these first 4 episodes within 1 ep. tbh then i wouldn't be so mad about thors dying without doing anything they gave him the right amount of screen time to piss me off because i want to see more but deny me by killing him off, but not enough for me to be emotionally attached to him kinda annoying xD |
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_MushiRock11_ said: Thorfinn sneaking into one of Askeladd’s ships is really commendable, in terms of the presence of mind to go for it Unless I misunderstood, Askeladd's men captured Thor's warship. It was abandoned, because they couldn't sail it without Thor helping. Thorfinn stowed away in the boat that was captured. Though it's surprising nobody noticed that Thorfinn was unaccounted for, I guess a lot was going on... -Stray said: that being said the one that I didn't expect was how naive Thors was for sacrificing himself for them when the bastard he fought literally didnt give a shit about codes and stuffs, how he believed he'll go through with not murdering everyone even after killing him is beyond me Well, Askeladd was being paid for Thor's head, nobody else's. Thor knew this. Why would Askeladd risk losing or injuring more of his men if the job he was being paid to do - kill Thor - was complete? The only reason to kill any of the other men in the first place would have been to get to Thor. |
owarida6Jul 28, 2019 11:51 AM
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thekillfra said: Nim0174 said: thats obvious doesn't change the fact he could have killed askeladd and over 20 of his men if he hadn't held back. His son would have died along with all the others, he certainly can't stop the archers by flying, Thor already knew he was dead the moment they were trapped, he just tried to negotiate and keep the maximum from the inevitable they didn't even check the life signs of those 20 guys until later on, could have still killed them, wouldn't have made a difference, but what tolkien above said satisfied my question thanks anyway same answer to you @Niello |
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| This Anime is seriously the best in this season.i am till now full satisfied. The way they adapted the fight was simply beautiful.Fromm the pacing to animation was simply lucid. We got to see Thors in action and Askeladd was badass and intelligent too. The duel was the main spotlight of this episode.Simply beautiful.Nothing more to say. Also Thorfinn at the end was simply marvelous.The way this anime portrays human mentality is full realistic,the violent and gritty world is also shown so nicely.Full 5/5 episode. |
Arjuna777Jul 28, 2019 11:54 AM
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cherry_memoir said: Amazing episode!! I'm so looking forward to the next one. I'm glad Vinland Saga is back!!  that gif was exactly what I was thinking xD |
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Daniel_Naumov said: They threw any pretending to realism just like the father guy threw them into water with a fist slap. Well, at least they are not aiming high and don't pretend like it. I prefer to interpret these sort of moments in otherwise realistic shows through of lens of "this is a story being told", not necessarily that we're witnessing it with our own eyes. While we can know for a fact because of the outcome that Thors successfully neutralized all these men without killing them; that he dispatched them so effortlessly could be chalked up to embellishment by the storyteller. Just the way I see it anyway. |
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Nim0174 said: TolkienFan365 said: Well once they realized they were dead again the deal could be off. if he kills Asekladd Bjorn would be next in charge who is far less diplomatic. Again yeah he is keeping to his morality but even if he was okay with killing ultimately that would have been a bad decision. I will say this arc doesn't delve into it much however if this does get a S2 it will look more at the idea of Pacifism and one reason I do like Vinland is that it doesn't paint it as the ideal and shows how hard it is to live like that in a society like this. i guess i can live with that just hate to see good characters die because of some bitch ass situations like this always triggers me so much wasted potential i would have liked to see more of thors ( i just read the plot summary lmao didn't even see that it spoiled his death ) should have just shown a flashback of these first 4 episodes within 1 ep. tbh then i wouldn't be so mad about thors dying without doing anything they gave him the right amount of screen time to piss me off because i want to see more but deny me by killing him off, but not enough for me to be emotionally attached to him kinda annoying xD It probably didn't impact me as much when I read the manga because even though I loved Thors I knew he was already dead as the order of chapters has been changed. You knew from CH 1 Thorfinn had his father killed before you even meet Thors. I also disagree with that Iceland arc is exactly what is should be I was really worried they were going to cut down on this from the manga (happy they didn't). These chapters are very important for the overall story. |
Thanjh said: Easily best anime of the season, possibly AOTY but too early to tell. Shaped up to be the best revenge story in anime by the look in Thorfinn’s eyes alone. No, no, no. AOTY will go to My Hero Academia because Crunchylawl says so. |
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shane_nichols said: No. It revolves around everyone. Thorffin is just a little piece of Vinland. Askalled is the real MC I hope you're right. Four episodes in and i already can't stand seeing this damn kid anymore. |
| "Why did my father died?" To save your dumb-ass, you stupid kid! There's your average S̶a̶s̶u̶k̶e̶ revenge story, still think of this as the AOTS. |
el_morrisJul 28, 2019 12:19 PM
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RainyShadow said: shane_nichols said: No. It revolves around everyone. Thorffin is just a little piece of Vinland. Askalled is the real MC I hope you're right. Four episodes in and i already can't stand seeing this damn kid anymore. He is pretty isolated and cold throughout most of Prologue (not irate with anger that's more the intial bit in his childhood). Still Askeladd and another character we have yet to be introduced to are the mc's here in this arc. Still Thofinn changes a lot as a character which is why along with Askeladd and another character they are my three favorite characters from Vinland. Most people though like Thorfinn in this arc so I wouldn't be quick to judge. |
xeco said: mfw people saying this is aoty but its literraly a generic story of a kid wanting revenge and messing up for being too dumb I wonder why people think originality is a virtue. Most classics are a rip-off of previous classics, only made in a different fashion that strikes our inner chords in a different way. That's why there's a difference between trope and cliche. |
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| What a great show man. Askeladd is kind of a coward. At the end of the day he wanted his money, but I'm sure he was serious when he asked Thors to be their leader. I image the guilt Askeladd feels will cause him to raise Thorfinn. |
| Shouldn't be surprised that most people here did not see the bargaining that was going on between Thors and Askeladd, but it's still sad how one of the few scenes with actual good characterization and intelligent storyboarding we had this year gets shafted here. Episode was great. |
NidhoeggrJul 28, 2019 12:41 PM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| That was fucked up. |
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| Thors is a goddamn legend |
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| Good episode. They're doing a good job adapting the manga so far, and the changes are small and do not affect the story. I really, really look forward to this upcoming arc. It's going to be a marvellous spectacle. The worst thing is going to be coming into MAL to comment and see comments like "Thors is stupid bla bla bla" by people who have such a shallow reading of what's going on (they want everything spelled out to them verbally I suppose). |
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owarida6 said: Incredible episode, this show impresses me with each new entry. I really loathe the notion that "predictable = bad". You had to have some inclination that Thors wasn't going to survive very long, because it was heavily and repeatedly foreshadowed. They threw up death flags everywhere. And if you have seen Game of Thrones you would have recognized Thors as Vinland Saga's Ned Stark. In this time, in this place, as in Westeros, there is no room for honorable men to survive. At the point that our heroes were trapped, at the very least Thors' fate was sealed. Because of course it was. Because that flows logically and makes sense. So yes, Thors died. Yes, you saw it coming. The writers *wanted you* to see it coming. With story beats like this, it's the journey that is more important than the destination. The inverse approach of course is the groan-inducing "SuBvErTiNg ExPeCtAtIoNs" strategy as seen in the last season of Game of Thrones, and in The Last Jedi, where the writers just pen in as much nonsensical BS as possible, because they value surprising the audience over presenting a coherent story. I'm glad the writer(s) here chose cohesive storytelling. I was waiting for this comment! Or rather, you took the words out of my mouth! I had GOT-flashbacks, especially after this episode and reading some of the comments here. But hopefully this show doesn't go the same route that would give me "kinda forgot" flashbacks.;) |
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| This is it, he made Armin mad. |
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| God damn, the raw emotion in all of this was just... I can't think of a better word than frightening. It can be pretty difficult sometimes for me to be really affected by the death of a main character, but Vinland Saga sells it perfectly. This is the modern Berserk adaptation we've all been wanting. Also, because of that two (three?) week break, I forgot how much I like the ED. |
ThousandCuts said: Thanjh said: Easily best anime of the season, possibly AOTY but too early to tell. Shaped up to be the best revenge story in anime by the look in Thorfinn’s eyes alone. No, no, no. AOTY will go to My Hero Academia because Crunchylawl says so. Award shows based on popular vote don't matter, they are just for amusement. They shouldn't be treated as a some kind of serious qualifier of objective taste. |
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xeco said: mfw people saying this is aoty but its literraly a generic story of a kid wanting revenge and messing up for being too dumb Mfw when people think the word "generic" is an actual criticism:😒 OT: This episode was pretty much perfect. I'm honestly shocked at how well this is being adapted so far. I pray to anime Jesus that this quality keeps up. |
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| Played more or less out as expected, but extremely well executed. The tension and epicness of this episode were off the charts. Thors was one hell of a man and leader. |
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| well, now i'm really sad. i felt that shit man - damn. poor kid...that frame of him holding onto his dad as he's dying was beautiful yet managed to capture a lot of emotion. wit are absolute gods. |
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| The complaints that people are voicing in this thread just make no sense to me. Yeah, Thors could have easily killed pretty much everyone there, but he wouldn't. Why? Because he's a changed man. He doesn't believe in killing just because they happen to be "enemies", and he also doesn't want his son to think that killing is acceptable or a something that's necessary. It also wouldn't have mattered if he killed everyone on the boats, because the archers from above are still there, and would still pose a threat to him, Thorfinn, and everyone else. Like did you guys pay attention to the last 3 episodes? His actions here are not out of character at all. Him dying was the only way he could get everyone else out of this situation and he knew that. I can understand wanting him to die in a blaze of glory or something, but I really don't think there was a more honorable way for him to go than that. |
TsukuyomiREKTJul 28, 2019 2:17 PM
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| Wow this scene was sad in the manga but I dont remember tearing up like I did here. Anyway, something I hope people pay attention to is Askeladd's reactions. Between his dialogue to the village kid about valuing life more, to his sullen look when hes thinking about how Thors managed to defeat his men without taking a single life, its clear Askeladd didnt take much satisfaction from killing Thors. His muted response to Thorfinn's rage compared to the mocking laughter of the rest of his crew says a lot too. All of this should be pretty obvious to anyone paying attention, but its something to keep in mind about Askeladd going forward. |
LoneWalkers said: -Stray said: how he believed he'll go through with not murdering everyone even after killing him is beyond me, he's op af he could have incapacitated them all if he wanted but nope. Don't know, nothing really impressed me this episode. I blame people who overhyped this too much and gave me too much expectations for it. I get that this is Thorfin's story and he needed to have a good motive for this to become a revenge story but damn... at least don't make it look too dumb. Just got in and already not feeling Thorfin's backstory. This is not fantasy anime, are we even watching the same episode? Thors properly explained why he couldn't do that despite being "overpowered", there are archers out there who are ready to step in at any moment. He realized that's the best way of protecting others by appealing to the honour angle of Askeladd, and it worked to a certain extent. Yes pretty sure we're watching the same thing. Poor attempt at ridiculing aside. Sure, trust the guy who just played him a few seconds ago, so maybe he realized Askeladd had at least some honor in him in which he luckily did, who's to say his men wouldnt just jump on that ship and start slashing them? They all looked like they were itching for some action, one of them already took it upon himself and took Thors kid as hostage, so sorry but I aint the kind of guy who'd gamble my sons life on a promise with those guys. He could have took his son and jumped on the ocean, not easy to spot them underwater, high chance of his other crew members dying but I say the sons life trumps it all, would it be unrealistic for them to escape underwater? Sure, but realism isnt really this show's strong points. owarida6 said: _MushiRock11_ said: Thorfinn sneaking into one of Askeladd’s ships is really commendable, in terms of the presence of mind to go for it Unless I misunderstood, Askeladd's men captured Thor's warship. It was abandoned, because they couldn't sail it without Thor helping. Thorfinn stowed away in the boat that was captured. Though it's surprising nobody noticed that Thorfinn was unaccounted for, I guess a lot was going on... -Stray said: that being said the one that I didn't expect was how naive Thors was for sacrificing himself for them when the bastard he fought literally didnt give a shit about codes and stuffs, how he believed he'll go through with not murdering everyone even after killing him is beyond me Well, Askeladd was being paid for Thor's head, nobody else's. Thor knew this. Why would Askeladd risk losing or injuring more of his men if the job he was being paid to do - kill Thor - was complete? The only reason to kill any of the other men in the first place would have been to get to Thor. I'm talking about Thors judgement, trusting someone who just a few secs ago.played him. Sure he most likely noticed Askeladd had some small honor in him left to keep his wkrd after killing him, but what about his men? like I said, one already took it upon himself to take his kid as hostage. Those guys looked hungry for some fight, they know Thors crew were a bunch of newbies, they were even mocking them. While you can say they wouldnt attack without Askeladd telling them to but I dont know, find it hard to trust him and his men from how the events transpired. Anyways Im not into debating about what Thors did, I get what you guys are saying, I simply find his way of dealing with it naive, he wasnt wrong tho as his men and kid lived, but that was too much of a gamble, if I was that strong and experienced I woulda risked me and my son escaping underwater than gambling his life on someone who just played me a few secs ago, would probably have my men killed by doing that but they signed up for that, my kid tho… |
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| Damn! It was a hard hitting episode. This scene |
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ProofByColor said: What a great show man. Askeladd is kind of a coward. At the end of the day he wanted his money, but I'm sure he was serious when he asked Thors to be their leader. I image the guilt Askeladd feels will cause him to raise Thorfinn. Dummy how is Askeladd a coward ? He fought that dude 1v1 and then was ready for his death. |
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