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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Sweet, we got more info on Alicization. An important episode sure in terms of the plot. There's Kikuoka talking about his plans and trying to get Kirito involved. Meanwhile in the game world, we got the others discussing the recent issue of Kirito's condition. I think overall, this episode really gave an impression of the importance of Kikuoka's motivations. |
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| Copying of the soul... So the people in the new world is... not exactly NPC? Making of the forbidden rules and too perfect... so making a personality to break the rules. And Alice girl getting captured was one part of the plan. Main guy doesn't know everything, so they were able to get him to cooperate. Project Alicization... She was finally able to "see" main guy. Familiar face for a nurse. The lady was attempt to kill her boyfriend, but couldn't. Seems like back to story in the game world next. |
tsubasaloverNov 10, 2018 7:29 AM
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| For the sheer amount of info that those LN chapters contain they actually did a decent job condensing it to the most important aspects. They got all the points across they needed to get across. The collapse of Higa's clone was made even creepier They seem to reference back to the guys in ALO a lot more which is appreciated Rinko continues to get plenty of shine. Next week we're back in Underworld. |
| Well this was the info dump episode that was needed, not much occurred otherwise. I'm just wondering how well they can adapt the next parts... :D |
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Mattinator95 said: A change Kawahara most likely approved since he's involved. He has been quite vocal on how he wanted to use the anime to change some things.I'm sorry but why A-1 pictures why the others wernt supposed to know ffs. Now you add a poxy scene with asuana telling everyone confidential fucking secrets the only one that was supposed to know what was going on with kitro was his cousin. Personally I actually prefer this as it not only keep the other characters on screen for longer and not as pushed aside as in the novels and it will help a certain development waaaaay later down into the arc. |
| Interesting episode that did well in showing what STL is and what underworld really is. Their goal though was quite surprising. The copies fate was quite unnerving. But to think that underworld was essentially a civ simulation though. Asuna's words as she made her and Kirito's views known was pretty sharp that reflected well on their experience with Ai's. Its nice that we got to see the girls views on the project as well. The insight into Kayaba's past before SAO and his relationship with Rinko was interesting. Asuna's words as she comforted Rinko sure was heartfelt. Overall a great episode that did well in explaining project alicization and the goals of Rath in a easy to understand manner and in the process establishing a strong foundation for the season. Im also liking the fact that the support cast are getting much more of role in the series compared to the novels. |
ShingsterNov 10, 2018 9:24 AM
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| Well the secrets on how messed up this whole project is, are out. Can't wait for when Cardinal and Administrator are brought in to truly see how f'ed up Alicization is |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| Good episode overall. We get to learn Kikuoka's motivation and how the project got started. Lots of info in this episode. Looking forward to next week episode. |
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| so the project is about making killer robots/AI eh cool story bro but no joke its a cool story |
| Wow, so that's the truth behind project Alicization and it's a fucked up one. This episode definitely managed to get me more invested and I'm pretty hyped for what's to come. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| >rights of artificial intelligence Sigh this moralfag called Asuna is so annoying. I want to go back to adventures with shota brothers already. |
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| i really like the explanation about copying the mind/soul here, and ye it makes sense for the perfect copy to start panicking when they know they are just a copy so gonna make those AI start from childhood or the very beginning which is birth |
| Lol should Asuna really share a top secret government project about raising artificial murder machines to a bunch of high school girls? Apart from that it was an okay episode as expected of an info dump episode. Higa's copy breaking down was way creepier than in the novel. Next week we're back in the Underworld! Judging from the title it looks like they're gonna cover a lot. |
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| I don't get it.. If the goal is making killing machines what's the point of making AIs with souls and emotions in the first place? won't emotions get in the way of killing people efficiently? Why not just make robots that are programed to kill people by design? Also how is this guy planning to use these AIs in war if they don't have no physical bodies? Copy them to some robots I assume but so far his moral justification for raising them is that they don't have physical bodies. wth. |
Hatul said: I don't get it.. If the goal is making killing machines what's the point of making AIs with souls and emotions in the first place? won't emotions get in the way of killing people efficiently? Why not just make robots that are programed to kill people by design? Also how is this guy planning to use these AIs in war if they don't have no physical bodies? Copy them to some robots I assume but so far his moral justification for raising them is that they don't have physical bodies. wth. funny you mention emotions since that is the missing link i think on why the AIs on UnderWorld is like never broken the Taboo Index, you know how robots are supposed to be strict followers of rules/laws |
| I really don't like it being a weapon research. It's like author tries to make Alicization project controversial instead of something simple - for example research on creating AI civilization. I guess it will come back as drama somewhere near the end, and I'm not happy with that prospect tbh. Other than that, nice episode. A bit slow, but everything seemed important. Yay for not rushing things (probably?). |
Hatul said: I don't get it.. If the goal is making killing machines what's the point of making AIs with souls and emotions in the first place? won't emotions get in the way of killing people efficiently? Why not just make robots that are programed to kill people by design? Also how is this guy planning to use these AIs in war if they don't have no physical bodies? Copy them to some robots I assume but so far his moral justification for raising them is that they don't have physical bodies. wth. Because a machine (or top-bottom AI) can't react to things it doesn't know. It can only do what it's programmed to do. So in a war where a lot of things can go wrong/unexpected, a machine won't be able to learn by itself and make the appropriate action. |
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-Riptide- said: Hatul said: I don't get it.. If the goal is making killing machines what's the point of making AIs with souls and emotions in the first place? won't emotions get in the way of killing people efficiently? Why not just make robots that are programed to kill people by design? Also how is this guy planning to use these AIs in war if they don't have no physical bodies? Copy them to some robots I assume but so far his moral justification for raising them is that they don't have physical bodies. wth. Because a machine (or top-bottom AI) can't react to things it doesn't know. It can only do what it's programmed to do. So in a war where a lot of things can go wrong/unexpected, a machine won't be able to learn by itself and make the appropriate action. ah ye i kinda remember that it was explained on this episode too |
deg said: -Riptide- said: Because a machine (or top-bottom AI) can't react to things it doesn't know. It can only do what it's programmed to do. So in a war where a lot of things can go wrong/unexpected, a machine won't be able to learn by itself and make the appropriate action. ah ye i kinda remember that it was explained on this episode too Yes it was explained. That was the point of the entire episode. |
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| A good info-dump episode explaining the Alicization Project. It seems really interesting so far so I look forward to seeing how all of this continues to develop. The next episode title seems to suggest we're going back to Kirito and Eugeo. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
Firstly when was this explained? Secondly even if it was, if you wanna win a war you need to kill people there's not much else to learn and going out of your way to make AIs just for that goes against his intent and it's even proven in this very episode since the AIs don't murder.. which is a speed bump for him.. which raises another question, if nobody murders in this world how did the taboo index spring up? |
| Good episode, I guess this was the info dump episode. First of all, I'm quite surprised that Kikuoka is so open with sharing what's supposed to be confidential information to the point Asuna even tells the rest of the girls but I guess we can overlook it cause anime. xD Anyway, never thought I'd see the day come when they'd talk about Machine Learning strategies in SAO. I find it interesting as a theory and it might actually be viable if we could somehow translate the human brain in infancy into a usable primitive neural network, you'd be able to feed data sets a.k.a raise it and watch it grow which is technically what they seem to have done initially. The Taboo Index basically seems to serve as the negated output. Any path through the network that reaches a rule in the Taboo Index could be considered wrong and could probably be sent back into the network and used as feedback to change the path a.k.a Back Propagation in Computer Science terms. If Alice is technically considered one such Neural network then the fact that she was able to override the Taboo Index rule with something that she herself considered greater priority basically destroying the absoluteness of the Taboo Index rule is technically akin to learning which would actually be mind blowing if it happened in reality, it'd be super interesting to see how that particular path in the network was formed. xD I don't think I see what Kikuoka is trying to do. Sure you can develop AI Kikuoka, if you want to train it to be able to kill go ahead but this AI or neural network is playing around in the simulation under the assumption that it has the motor inputs of a real human being assuming the virtual simulation is 1:1. To actually make this AI have any use on the field you would have to invent Androids that basically had the motor capabilities of a human and handled the exact same way. I guess they could technically do some sort of abstraction but that would still not function the way they want it too, unless they have the actual hardware developed and stashed away somewhere I don't see how Project Alicization will benefit the millitary. Anyway I think I've digressed too much, computer science talk aside. Good episode guys, good episode. |
Lelouch0202Nov 10, 2018 11:15 AM
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| Don't tell me Kayaba is there too, that would be awesome. |
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| Now that was a good episode. Enjoyed the conversation between kikouka, asuna, higa, and Rinko. It was nice to know about laid the foundation to alicization (which is the plot basically), tackling the issue of AI creation in relation to the purpose of the project as well as the motivations of kikouka and his team. Pretty solid and important episode. |
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Lelouch0202 said: Good episode, I guess this is was the info dump episode. First of all, I'm quite surprised that Kikuoka is so open with sharing what's supposed to be confidential information to the point Asuna even tells the rest of the girls but I guess we can overlook it cause anime. xD It’s not really cause anime imho. If you look at it to from another perspective, Rinko stated something in this episode and it is that Kikouka was already at the risk of losing confidentiality from the beginning when he decided to hire kirito (someone from outside the organization as a part timer) because he wanted someone who is impeccable at dealing and interacting with VRWorld and has vast years of experience, so what better choice than kirito. He risked confidentiality the moment he decided to hire an outsider, but it’s necessary and important for the project, so there’s no point in hiding to asuna anymore especially when asuna made it that far and he already predicted that she knew what STL is and its capabilities. |
Shishou_23Nov 10, 2018 11:16 AM
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DragonSlayer_19 said: Lelouch0202 said: Good episode, I guess this is was the info dump episode. First of all, I'm quite surprised that Kikuoka is so open with sharing what's supposed to be confidential information to the point Asuna even tells the rest of the girls but I guess we can overlook it cause anime. xD It’s not really cause anime imho. If you look at it to from another perspective, Rinko stated something in this episode and it is that Kikouka was already at the risk of losing confidentiality when he decided to hire kirito (someone from outside the organization as a part timer) because he wanted someone who is impeccable at dealing and interacting with VRWorld and has vast years of experience, so what better choice than kirito. He risked confidentiality the moment he decided to hire an outsider, but it’s necessary for the project, so there’s no point in hiding to asuna anymore especially when asuna made it that far and he already predicted that she knew what STL is and its capabilitiesz True, they were already at risk when they decided to hire Kirito but generally if you're gonna be hiring someone to work on something confidential you'd generally have them sign NDA's and stuff. xD The fact that Kirito freely disclosed top secret information to Asuna and Sinon and then with Kikuoka himself basically detailing out his plan makes it hard to suspend disbelief on the fact that this is supposed to be a top secret research project. I get your point about him choosing to disclose the information to Asuna since he figured that Asuna probably had an idea about what was going on already but the fact that she was able to share info top secret info over a public server seems a little too lenient. |
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| Shit that felt so short, I need more flash backs of Kayaba hope we can understand him at the end of this series. |
Hatul said: Firstly when was this explained? Secondly even if it was, if you wanna win a war you need to kill people there's not much else to learn and going out of your way to make AIs just for that goes against his intent and it's even proven in this very episode since the AIs don't murder.. which is a speed bump for him.. which raises another question, if nobody murders in this world how did the taboo index spring up? Around the 4 minute mark when Kikuoka said that top-down AIs can't react to things they don't know like when something unexpected happens. As for the Taboo Index, it will be explained in detail at a further time (episode 13-14 maybe?). |
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| the info and reveal was breath taking..hmm so one is real in this world and does that mean that kirito in that world is not real too...since he was also born in that world...or so I think...now that is scary |
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Lelouch0202 said: DragonSlayer_19 said: It’s not really cause anime imho. If you look at it to from another perspective, Rinko stated something in this episode and it is that Kikouka was already at the risk of losing confidentiality when he decided to hire kirito (someone from outside the organization as a part timer) because he wanted someone who is impeccable at dealing and interacting with VRWorld and has vast years of experience, so what better choice than kirito. He risked confidentiality the moment he decided to hire an outsider, but it’s necessary for the project, so there’s no point in hiding to asuna anymore especially when asuna made it that far and he already predicted that she knew what STL is and its capabilitiesz True, they were already at risk when they decided to hire Kirito but generally if you're gonna be hiring someone to work on something confidential you'd generally have them sign NDA's and stuff. xD The fact that Kirito freely disclosed top secret information to Asuna and Sinon and then with Kikuoka himself basically detailing out his plan makes it hard to suspend disbelief on the fact that this is supposed to be a top secret research project. I get your point about him choosing to disclose the information to Asuna since he figured that Asuna probably had an idea about what was going on already but the fact that she was able to share info top secret info over a public server seems a little too lenient. Well you do have a point there also about sharing with the rest of the girls. Well it’s not like all people don’t divulge information on work irl and simply signing a contract to not reveal anything isn’t going to eliminate all chances of someone talking (at least to people he trusts) unless you confine him too on top of that or monitor them 24/7. @Mattinator95 well I don’t have a reddit account. Sorry to disappoint you, but you mistook me for someone else. |
Shishou_23Nov 10, 2018 11:36 AM
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| Good episode. But judging by the title of next episode, it seems that they are going to skip zakkaria sword arts tournament unfortunately. |
| the only good episode of sao is when there's no kirito's bullshit :') |
| Very informative episode but it definitely was interesting to say the least. |
| Woof, a full 24 minutes of nothing but panning shots and exposition. I almost miss Kirito. |
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| That was a pretty good episode. So, the whole project is mainly done for SDF's virtual training against A.I. machines which are more adaptable in many different situations and give an output which is more resembling to humane reactions that can lead to killing which is the point since murders in Underworld are still not happening. What about the goblins though? Anyway so from what I got, this Alicization project is heavily based on artificial neural networks. Kirito being used in this project as a real human being can potentially influence the input paths and give a desired output, a result which is not a loose function that would lead to a back propagation and can override the Taboo Index's rules instead something that Alice managed to do since Kirito was around when she broke the rules. Anyway, we go back to Underworld again yay. |
MonkeyDHunterNov 10, 2018 12:11 PM
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| "1,000 AI NPC "Lives" on computer are worthless." >Asuna : "I'm angry as hell" *a couple thousands people died during SAO* >Asuna : "At least I've spent some quality time with Kirito." |
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GuidedCursor said: "1,000 AI NPC "Lives" on computer are worthless." >Asuna : "I'm angry as hell" *a couple thousands people died during SAO* >Asuna : "At least I've spent some quality time with Kirito." great observation there lol |
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